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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Stripping Spell Locks (was Re: Magicians)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 07:00:22 -0700
Steve Collins wrote:
|
|I find this to be a problem in my games. If all the PC mages are going to be
|doing this then it is necessary for all the NPC mages have to do this or else
|they're toast. This makes it too easy for the PC's to accumulate huge sums of
|cash by stripping the spell locks off their fallen victims and selling them.

Question: if you kill a mage with an active spell lock, how
do you strip the spell lock off of him? I don't think you
can, because when the lock is active it isn't present in
the real world, and only the mage it was bonded to can turn
it off.

One could argue that the bond is broken when the mage dies,
but if the bond is broken when the mage is killed, does the
lock materialize in the real world, or does it go floating
off into astral space?

-David

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Message no. 2
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Stripping Spell Locks (was Re: Magicians)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:16:31 +0000
|Question: if you kill a mage with an active spell lock, how
|do you strip the spell lock off of him? I don't think you
|can, because when the lock is active it isn't present in
|the real world, and only the mage it was bonded to can turn
|it off.

Or anyone else who is astrally active.
It doesn't vanish completely, it only vanishes from the perception of the
mundanes....

|One could argue that the bond is broken when the mage dies,
|but if the bond is broken when the mage is killed, does the
|lock materialize in the real world, or does it go floating
|off into astral space?

If the mage who bonded the lock dies, the spell and the locks bond die with
him. The lock then becomes an inanimate (but still bondable) object....

It's a way to tell if your friend is alive or not...
Wake up. Check finger. Am I wearing a ring?

Yes. AAAAARG! He's dead///

No. He's either alive, or someone stole it in my sleep....
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Message no. 3
From: Justin Pinnow <jpinnow@*****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Stripping Spell Locks (was Re: Magicians)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:20:38 -0500
David Buehrer wrote:
>
> Steve Collins wrote:
> |
> |I find this to be a problem in my games. If all the PC mages are going to be
> |doing this then it is necessary for all the NPC mages have to do this or else
> |they're toast. This makes it too easy for the PC's to accumulate huge sums of
> |cash by stripping the spell locks off their fallen victims and selling them.
>
> Question: if you kill a mage with an active spell lock, how
> do you strip the spell lock off of him? I don't think you
> can, because when the lock is active it isn't present in
> the real world, and only the mage it was bonded to can turn
> it off.
>
> One could argue that the bond is broken when the mage dies,
> but if the bond is broken when the mage is killed, does the
> lock materialize in the real world, or does it go floating
> off into astral space?

According to the rules, no mundane can affect the lock. And, yes, the
lock does become insubstantial in physical space. However, as I recall,
any mage can reach out and remove the lock from the being wearing
it....thus breaking the bond. This follows along the same lines that a
mage can touch your lock and activate or deactivate it as well. (Any
mage can place and/or activate a spell lock.)

Thus, I would rule that when someone wearing a spell lock dies, the lock
perhaps is still there, but it is visible on the physical now...because
I would rule that the spell is no longer bonded once someone dies
(there's no aura to be bonded to). Similarly, if a mage grabbed a spell
lock off a living being, it would appear in his hand physically.

Justin :)
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Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Stripping Spell Locks (was Re: Magicians)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:31:40 -0700
Spike wrote:
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||Question: if you kill a mage with an active spell lock, how
||do you strip the spell lock off of him? I don't think you
||can, because when the lock is active it isn't present in
||the real world, and only the mage it was bonded to can turn
||it off.
|
|Or anyone else who is astrally active.

Doh! There I go thinking with my brian again :)

-David

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Message no. 5
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Stripping Spell Locks (was Re: Magicians)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:37:22 -0700
> Question: if you kill a mage with an active spell lock, how
> do you strip the spell lock off of him? I don't think you
> can, because when the lock is active it isn't present in
> the real world, and only the mage it was bonded to can turn
> it off.
>

But remember another character with astral perception would be able to see
the lock and thereby remove it.

Caric
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Stripping Spell Locks (was Re: Magicians)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:23:49 +0100
David Buehrer said on 7:00/11 Dec 96...

> Question: if you kill a mage with an active spell lock, how
> do you strip the spell lock off of him? I don't think you
> can, because when the lock is active it isn't present in
> the real world, and only the mage it was bonded to can turn
> it off.

Not quite. Any magician can remove a spell lock, upon which "the link is
broken and the lock goes dormant" (SRII page 138).

> One could argue that the bond is broken when the mage dies,
> but if the bond is broken when the mage is killed, does the
> lock materialize in the real world, or does it go floating
> off into astral space?

IMHO spell locks are deactivated when the person they're bonded to, dies.
That would make them visible to the mundane eye again.

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