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Message no. 1
From: Kismet kismet-sr@****.com
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:22:14 -0700
My husband is in Seattle on business this week. Are there any natives here
that can tell him where to go for some good SR material? He is teaching at
Microsoft, so somewhere in that area preferably. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Kismet
Message no. 2
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:33:41 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Kismet <kismet-sr@****.com>
To: ShadowRN <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 6:24 AM
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle


>My husband is in Seattle on business this week. Are there any natives here
>that can tell him where to go for some good SR material? He is teaching at
>Microsoft, so somewhere in that area preferably. Any help is appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Kismet
>
I know about the Space Needle, Grunge, and rain, but I suppose that's not
really much help. Actually, do you reckon he could take a few photos, say a
few cityscapes, a few dark alleyways (from the outside, no need to get
mugged over it) a nightclub or two, that sort of thing and have them posted
on a web page so we can all get a better feel for the city for our SR games?
I'm sure that you and Mr Kismet would have the gratitude of a lot of people
on this list.
Message no. 3
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:19:51 -0500
On Tue, 9 May 2000 15:22:14 -0700 "Kismet" <kismet-sr@****.com> writes:
> My husband is in Seattle on business this week. Are there any natives
> here
> that can tell him where to go for some good SR material? He is
> teaching at
> Microsoft, so somewhere in that area preferably. Any help is
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Kismet

What about the unerground? IIRC, it's real, curent tourist sight of
Seatle. Maybe there will be some maps available ...

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Message no. 4
From: Kismet kismet-sr@****.com
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:12:49 -0700
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon and Fiona <sfuller@******.com.au>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Stuff to see in Seattle


> I know about the Space Needle, Grunge, and rain, but I suppose that's not
> really much help. Actually, do you reckon he could take a few photos, say
a
> few cityscapes, a few dark alleyways (from the outside, no need to get
> mugged over it) a nightclub or two, that sort of thing and have them
posted
> on a web page so we can all get a better feel for the city for our SR
games?
> I'm sure that you and Mr Kismet would have the gratitude of a lot of
people
> on this list.

Way ahead of you on the pictures. He is taking cabs everywhere so I'm not
sure how many good pics he will get but we are planning on putting it up on
our website. Thanks for the reply.

Kismet
Message no. 5
From: NEWSHADOW@***.com NEWSHADOW@***.com
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:46:53 EDT
In a message dated 5/9/00 8:02:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dghost@****.com
writes:

> What about the underground? IIRC, it's real, current tourist sight of
> Seattle. Maybe there will be some maps available ...

I live in Renton, just 15 minutes south of Seattle. The Seattle Underground
is real and the company that does the tours do give really simplified maps
from what I hear. As a Seattle native I've never done the tour but wish to do
it at some point.

As a side note, there was an article in The Stranger, a weekly newspaper,
that said there was currently a debate on reopening the underground as a way
to find affordable housing for our soon to be displaced artists.

-NewShadow
http://members.xoom.com/NewShadow
Message no. 6
From: Steve Mancini mancini@******.com
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:25:02 -0700 (PDT)
All this talk has me wondering.. am I the only one close to Seattle?

I reside in Portland OR, 2 hours away. Maybe I take for granted the
silly stuff like the Needle etc cause I frequent the place - is there
demand for such data? Next trip I could grab things as I ight recall
for people....

Da Minotaur
Message no. 7
From: Inode inode@*****.com
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
--- Kismet <kismet-sr@****.com> wrote:
> My husband is in Seattle on business this week. Are there any natives
> here
> that can tell him where to go for some good SR material? He is
> teaching at
> Microsoft, so somewhere in that area preferably. Any help is
> appreciated.

Ask him to look for the "Seattle Vistor Center", Welcome Center, or
some such thing, and grab all the maps and info that he can. Brochures
about interesting sites would be nice, and maybe they have lists of
restaurants, opera houses, nightclubs, parks, zoos, whatever.. anything
that can add more realistic "flavor" to the game. Most hotels have a
display of brochures in the lobby, too.

I'll be going to Seattle myself in about a month or two for business,
in case he can't find much I'll be doing the same, and I plan to take
as many pictures as I can.

-Inode

====Richmond, VA, USA

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Message no. 8
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:59:38 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Mancini <mancini@******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Stuff to see in Seattle


>
>
>All this talk has me wondering.. am I the only one close to Seattle?
>
>I reside in Portland OR, 2 hours away. Maybe I take for granted the
>silly stuff like the Needle etc cause I frequent the place - is there
>demand for such data? Next trip I could grab things as I ight recall
>for people....
>
>Da Minotaur
>
>

Tourist maps are unbelievably helpful for roleplaying games. They are simple
and easy to follow, and only have major points of interest marked out,
allowing you to fill the rest in with whatever you like. Also they're
usually pocket size and so easy to fit between the chips and the dice. The
more scanned in photos and maps the better. And an interview with someone
from Redmond would be funny. "You know, in Shadowrun, your town becomes a
stinking hellhole full of human cockroaches."
Message no. 9
From: Steve Collins einan@*********.net
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Wed, 10 May 00 22:02:33 -0500
On 5/10/00 8:59 pm, Simon and Fiona said:

>
>Tourist maps are unbelievably helpful for roleplaying games. They are simple
>and easy to follow, and only have major points of interest marked out,
>allowing you to fill the rest in with whatever you like. Also they're
>usually pocket size and so easy to fit between the chips and the dice. The
>more scanned in photos and maps the better. And an interview with someone
>from Redmond would be funny. "You know, in Shadowrun, your town becomes a
>stinking hellhole full of human cockroaches."
>

You mean it's not now? :-)

Steve
Message no. 10
From: NEWSHADOW@***.com NEWSHADOW@***.com
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:40:56 EDT
In a message dated 5/10/00 2:49:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, inode@*****.com
writes:

> Ask him to look for the "Seattle Vistor Center", Welcome Center, or
> some such thing, and grab all the maps and info that he can. Brochures
> about interesting sites would be nice, and maybe they have lists of
> restaurants, opera houses, nightclubs, parks, zoos, whatever.. anything
> that can add more realistic "flavor" to the game. Most hotels have a
> display of brochures in the lobby, too.

One of the visitor centers for Seattle is located at 520 Pike Tower. That's
located on Pike street between 5th and 6th street. The building is under
construction, but then, most of Seattle is always under construction at some
time.

-NewShadow
http://members.xoom.com/NewShadow
Message no. 11
From: Carsten Gehling carsten@**********.dk
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:46:52 +0200
From: Steve Mancini <mancini@******.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:25 PM

> I reside in Portland OR, 2 hours away. Maybe I take for granted the
> silly stuff like the Needle etc cause I frequent the place - is there
> demand for such data? Next trip I could grab things as I ight recall
> for people....

Is there a demand for such data? Man, that was _the_ understatement of the
millennium :-)

I don't even live in the US. I live in Denmark where the closest thing we
have to a metropolis is the capital Copenhagen, population just about 1
million. Never been to the US let alone Seattle.

Others have suggested maps and pictures. Maps would need to be scanned in a
rather high quality to be useful, but pictures, pictures, pictures. I any of
you have access to arial services (helicopters, planes, dragons, etc.),
arial photos are also invaluable.

- Carsten
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Message no. 12
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:44:22 +0200
According to Simon and Fiona, at 11:59 on 11 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> Tourist maps are unbelievably helpful for roleplaying games. They are simple
> and easy to follow, and only have major points of interest marked out,
> allowing you to fill the rest in with whatever you like. Also they're
> usually pocket size and so easy to fit between the chips and the dice. The
> more scanned in photos and maps the better.

I find I don't use real maps all that frequently, but when I do, I find
one with lots of detail better than a tourist map that only shows the
general areas. A difference in GMing styles, I guess.

> And an interview with someone from Redmond would be funny. "You know, in
> Shadowrun, your town becomes a stinking hellhole full of human
> cockroaches."

They'll say, "It already is, I live next to Microsoft" ;)

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Message no. 13
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:44:22 +0200
According to Carsten Gehling, at 8:46 on 11 May 00, the word on the street
was...

> I don't even live in the US. I live in Denmark where the closest thing we
> have to a metropolis is the capital Copenhagen, population just about 1
> million. Never been to the US let alone Seattle.

Having been to both, I can say that Copenhagen does not work well as a
model for Seattle :) In fact, most European cities I've seen wouldn't work
well if you try to use them as American ones, or the other way around.

> Others have suggested maps and pictures. Maps would need to be scanned in a
> rather high quality to be useful, but pictures, pictures, pictures.

All I've got in the way of pictures is a series of photos taken of the
city from the top of the Space Needle. They are helpful for getting an
impression of the size of the city and the relative height of the
buildings, but won't give any real impression of what the the place
actually looks like from the ground.

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Message no. 14
From: Carsten Gehling carsten@**********.dk
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:00:03 +0200
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:44 AM

> Having been to both, I can say that Copenhagen does not work well as a
> model for Seattle :) In fact, most European cities I've seen wouldn't work
> well if you try to use them as American ones, or the other way around.

Thought so... Just looking at the way most american metropolis' roadwork is
laid out shows the difference.

> All I've got in the way of pictures is a series of photos taken of the
> city from the top of the Space Needle. They are helpful for getting an
> impression of the size of the city and the relative height of the
> buildings, but won't give any real impression of what the the place
> actually looks like from the ground.

Would you mind... putting them on your website? :-)

- Carsten
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Message no. 15
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:06:07 -0700 (PDT)
--- NEWSHADOW@***.com wrote:
> Most hotels have a
> > display of brochures in the lobby, too.

I'm so reminded of my trip to Chicago. I went with my
mom on my 21st birthday weekend. I kinda freaked her
out never calling it Chicago and calling it Bug City,
taking pictures of ally ways and odd buildings. I
snagged a bunch of tourist guides and some maps. We
even got to visit the site of the Cremak blast...right
across the street from FASA HQ. It was sooooo cool!
(Can you tell I'm a Shadowrun Junkie?) I even got to
take a picture of a rocket cow (cows on parade or
something) and I explained to mom about how GMs
threaten using rocket assisted arial bovine
bombardment. I think she was getting really worried
about me...

====~Raveness

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Message no. 16
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:29:56 +0200
According to Carsten Gehling, at 12:00 on 11 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> Thought so... Just looking at the way most american metropolis'
> roadwork is laid out shows the difference.

And of course they don't have a mermaid in Seattle AFAIK :)

> > All I've got in the way of pictures is a series of photos taken of the
> > city from the top of the Space Needle.
>
> Would you mind... putting them on your website? :-)

I wouldn't mind, but I think I'll want to buy a new scanner first... My
current one is not very good, and seems to be getting worse :(

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Message no. 17
From: Kismet kismet-sr@****.com
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:53:02 -0700
----- Original Message -----
From: <NEWSHADOW@***.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Stuff to see in Seattle


> One of the visitor centers for Seattle is located at 520 Pike Tower.
That's
> located on Pike street between 5th and 6th street. The building is under
> construction, but then, most of Seattle is always under construction at
some
> time.

Thank you for the info guys. Mr. Kismet (he's going to *love* that) is
working during the day so I don't know if he will be able to get there in
time. He found several tourist guides in his hotel room, which he will be
bringing home. Plus it has been raining a lot so he doesn't know if some of
the pictures he has are going to come out. I will post again when we get the
pics back.

The underground tour sounds cool, but he's not going to have time to go. I
would love to get my hands on some pictures of that. Maybe one of you could
do that on an upcoming trip. Jason said that he was surprised at several
things in Seattle. The traffic is actually worse than here(Dallas), There
are a lot more trees and vegetation, and , of course, the rain. Oh and
apparently, the Denny's near his hotel has a Bar attached to it. I am sure
that we will spend the weekend going over the Seattle Sourcebook.

Ok I'm rambling so I will stop. Thanks again for all the help!

Kismet
Message no. 18
From: Erik Slof e0slof@********.cs.adelaide.edu.au
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:22:42 +0930 (CST)
On Thu, 11 May 2000, Gurth wrote:

> According to Carsten Gehling, at 12:00 on 11 May 00, the word on the
> street was...
>
> > Thought so... Just looking at the way most american metropolis'
> > roadwork is laid out shows the difference.

yeah its nothing like australian roadwork either hell I cant get use to
the fact americians need a car to get to the next block (well almost) a
block in thye city to me is 3 min walk from one end to the other.

Its the one thing that most the players around here forget the damn huge
blocks we seem to always try to walk the few blocks from point A to point
B in all the systems with americian settings


EWS
Message no. 19
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:59:41 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Stuff to see in Seattle


According to Simon and Fiona, at 11:59 on 11 May 00, the word on the
street was...


>> And an interview with someone from Redmond would be funny. "You know, in
> Shadowrun, your town becomes a stinking hellhole full of human
> cockroaches."

>They'll say, "It already is, I live next to Microsoft" ;)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html



What IS Redmond like? I've heard that Puyallup is a nice little rural area.
Could someone who knows give a rundown of what the main SR neighbourhoods
are really like today?
And why does my server refuse to add in the little >>>'s to Gurth's posts?
Everyone else's, it does it.
Message no. 20
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:39:19 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: Stuff to see in Seattle



>And of course they don't have a mermaid in Seattle AFAIK :)

Don't people keep stealing the head of that mermaid?
Message no. 21
From: Peter Kristiansen sds@**.auc.dk
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:02:07 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time)
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Simon and Fiona wrote:

>
>
> >And of course they don't have a mermaid in Seattle AFAIK :)
>
> Don't people keep stealing the head of that mermaid?
>
People outside Denmark actually know about this??

I'm baffled O;-)

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Message no. 22
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:26:42 +0200
According to Simon and Fiona, at 10:59 on 12 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> And why does my server refuse to add in the little >>>'s to Gurth's posts?
> Everyone else's, it does it.

No idea... Some other people's mailers used to have that problem as well
(Mongoose being the one I can remember) and apparently it has to do with
the encoding on the message, or so someone once told me. However, I can't
turn it off or to another encoding, so if that's the cause of the problem,
you'll have to learn to live with it :)

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Message no. 23
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Stuff to see in Seattle
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:05:46 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: Stuff to see in Seattle


According to Simon and Fiona, at 10:59 on 12 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> And why does my server refuse to add in the little >>>'s to Gurth's posts?
> Everyone else's, it does it.

No idea... Some other people's mailers used to have that problem as well
(Mongoose being the one I can remember) and apparently it has to do with
the encoding on the message, or so someone once told me. However, I can't
turn it off or to another encoding, so if that's the cause of the problem,
you'll have to learn to live with it :)

-Oh it's not that annoying, just wierd.

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