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Message no. 1
From: Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Summoning in astral space
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:37:54 -0400
Last session I had a player who wanted to conjure a spirit while in astral
space. He is a shaman and I thought about it. Can anyone tell me if
there is any reason why he can't?

Dust
Message no. 2
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Summoning in astral space
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:40:29 GMT
Dust writes

> Last session I had a player who wanted to conjure a spirit while in astral
> space. He is a shaman and I thought about it. Can anyone tell me if
> there is any reason why he can't?
>
The books don't really say but my impression was you need to be
physical to do so. Ceratinly elemental summoning requires you to be
on the physical plane inside the ritual circle and able to read your
library. You can call 'stored' elementals to you while astral
however.
Easy answer is GM's call just be consistent.

Mark
Message no. 3
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Summoning in astral space
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:53:38 EDT
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:37:54 -0400 Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG> writes:
<< Last session I had a player who wanted to conjure a spirit
while in astral space. He is a shaman and I thought about it. Can
anyone tell me if there is any reason why he can't?>>


I think this one has also come up on the list before (before I got here I
think, but I've heard it referred to). The decision I heard before was
'sure,' but I can't remember if that applied to nature spirits or if it
applied only to watchers. If you were to allow the PC to do so, be sure
only to allow the conjuring of a spirit of the appropriate domain.


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Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Summoning in astral space
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:35:38 -0600
L Canthros wrote:
|
| On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:37:54 -0400 Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG> writes:
| << Last session I had a player who wanted to conjure a spirit
| while in astral space. He is a shaman and I thought about it. Can
| anyone tell me if there is any reason why he can't?>>
|
| I think this one has also come up on the list before (before I got here I
| think, but I've heard it referred to). The decision I heard before was
| 'sure,' but I can't remember if that applied to nature spirits or if it
| applied only to watchers. If you were to allow the PC to do so, be sure
| only to allow the conjuring of a spirit of the appropriate domain.

Conjuring an elemental is a no can do, cuz you need all of the ritual
matierals. Conjuring a nature spirit is debatable, as is resummoning
an elemental (I think, I'm not that sure about the resummoning
rules).

-David
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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Summoning in astral space
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:26:26 +0100
Dust said on 8:37/ 9 Jun 97...

> Last session I had a player who wanted to conjure a spirit while in astral
> space. He is a shaman and I thought about it. Can anyone tell me if
> there is any reason why he can't?

Hmm... this is one where once upon a time, I'd have said "No, he can't,
because there has to be a bridge between the phsyical and astral planes to
summon a spirit. The shaman can only form that bridge if he's on the
physical plane."

Unfortunately, I can't for the life of me find where I read this, and so
have no way to confirm or deny this rule... (any help will be appreciated
:) Until that time, I'll still use it as a house rule, though.

*grumble*

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Message no. 6
From: Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Summoning in astral space
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:32:33 -0400
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, David Buehrer wrote:

> L Canthros wrote:
> |
> | On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:37:54 -0400 Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG> writes:
> | << Last session I had a player who wanted to conjure a spirit
> | while in astral space. He is a shaman and I thought about it. Can
> | anyone tell me if there is any reason why he can't?>>
> |
> | I think this one has also come up on the list before (before I got here I
> | think, but I've heard it referred to). The decision I heard before was
> | 'sure,' but I can't remember if that applied to nature spirits or if it
> | applied only to watchers. If you were to allow the PC to do so, be sure
> | only to allow the conjuring of a spirit of the appropriate domain.
>
> Conjuring an elemental is a no can do, cuz you need all of the ritual
> matierals. Conjuring a nature spirit is debatable, as is resummoning
> an elemental (I think, I'm not that sure about the resummoning
> rules).
>
> -David

Yeah, you can reconjure elementals. It's in the Grimoire. You
just do another normal summoning.

Dust
Message no. 7
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Summoning in astral space
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:19:50 EDT
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:32:33 -0400 Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
writes:
<snip DBuehrer's comments>
<< Yeah, you can reconjure elementals. It's in the Grimoire. You
just do another normal summoning.>>


That wasn't the question:) The question was, can you resummon an
Elemental in Astral Space? I'd say 'no' because you still require ritual
materials and a hermetic circle (re-summoning requires 'a new summoning
ritual'). If the ritual materials can be 'carried' into astral space with
you, like fetishes, then I'd have to change my mind and allow it so long
as the magician is within an appropriate hermetic circle and has the
appropriate ritual materials with his astral form. Of course, he may not
have the time to bother with re-summoning an Elemental while he's in the
astral:)


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