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Message no. 1
From: Kevin R Mohondro <mohkev@******.COM>
Subject: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:48:42 -0800
I can't seem to find any reference on this. I may have just read right
over it, though. A mage casts a Control Actions spell on someone. Can the
mage astrally project and keep sustaining the spell?

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-Moe
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Message no. 2
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:18:24 EST
> I can't seem to find any reference on this. I may have just read
> right over it, though. A mage casts a Control Actions spell on
> someone. Can the mage astrally project and keep sustaining the
> spell?

I don't have the page number, but Gurth'll get it :). The Black Book
specifically states that you cannot sustain spells and go
astral...going astral is considered Exclusive. (Still open to debate
is the sustainability of spells cast WHILE you are astral).

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 3
From: Glenn Robb <GLENNROBB@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:16:19 -0700
Kevin R Mohondro wrote:

> I can't seem to find any reference on this. I may have just read right
> over it, though. A mage casts a Control Actions spell on someone. Can the
> mage astrally project and keep sustaining the spell?
>
> --
> -Moe

Yes and no. It depends on the reason why he has decided to leave his body.
Astral Projection is usually used for reconnaisance and other movements.
However, if the mage leaves his body and still concentrates on the spell, then
the spell can be sustained. Probably even more efficiently.

— Elton Robb

Munchkins are Magpies!
Message no. 4
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:36:22 -0500
> From: Glenn Robb <GLENNROBB@*******.NET>
> Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 5:16 PM

> Kevin R Mohondro wrote:

> > I can't seem to find any reference on this. I may have just read right
> > over it, though. A mage casts a Control Actions spell on someone. Can
the
> > mage astrally project and keep sustaining the spell?

> Yes and no. It depends on the reason why he has decided to leave his
body.
> Astral Projection is usually used for reconnaisance and other movements.
> However, if the mage leaves his body and still concentrates on the spell,
then
> the spell can be sustained. Probably even more efficiently.

Incorrect. Leaving/entering one's body via Astral Projection is an
exclusive activity. Therefore, no other magical activities may be taken
while doing so.

> — Elton Robb

Justin :)
Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:58:09 +0100
Kevin R Mohondro said on 22:48/18 Dec 97...

> I can't seem to find any reference on this. I may have just read right
> over it, though. A mage casts a Control Actions spell on someone. Can the
> mage astrally project and keep sustaining the spell?

No, sustaining spells isn't possible during astral projection. That is,
you can sustain a spell you cast while you're either physical or astral,
but if you cast a spell in one plane and then go to the other, you must
drop the spell. See SRII page 128, the last sentence above the
bold-printed "Permanent Spells" under Spell Duration.

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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:58:09 +0100
Brett Borger said on 14:18/19 Dec 97...

> I don't have the page number, but Gurth'll get it :).

Already did :)

> The Black Book specifically states that you cannot sustain spells and go
> astral...going astral is considered Exclusive. (Still open to debate is
> the sustainability of spells cast WHILE you are astral).

IMHO that should be possible. Not sure why, except that it just doesn't
feel quite right if you can't sustain spells on the astral plane; not bein
able to sustain them while you're _going_ astral is easily explainable by
putting it down to having to concentrate to project, though.

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Message no. 7
From: Andy Gardner <A.Gardner@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:06:23 +0000
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:36:22 Justin Pinnow stated


> Incorrect. Leaving/entering one's body via Astral Projection is an
> exclusive activity. Therefore, no other magical activities may be taken
> while doing so.

Then why do spells cast when astrally projecting cause physical
drain regardless of force ? It's not an exlusive activity for it's
duration, just at the start and at the end.
I agree with not being able to sustain spell when starting/ending
projection.
Fox on the Net
ICQ UIN - 5239612
Message no. 8
From: Andy Gardner <A.Gardner@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:06:23 +0000
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:48:42 Kevin R Mohondro pondered

> I can't seem to find any reference on this. I may have just read right
> over it, though. A mage casts a Control Actions spell on someone. Can the
> mage astrally project and keep sustaining the spell?

IM (H) O no.
2 reasons :
1.) Astrally projecting is a complex action and involves
pain/disorientation to the mage doing it. This would make it
impossible (or if you want, nearly impossible) to sustain the spell.
2.) Control Actions is a manipulation spell. ALL of these have a
mana AND a physical component which they need to work (one of the
flaws in cyber-pirates. You can't cast a manipulation spell while
projecting). That's why a window will stop them, the physical part
will bounce from the window.
(For Barbie's reference, this also applies to the shapechange spell.
If there's a window between you and the caster it'll fail or
break the window and be much reduced in force.)
So while astrally projecting you wouldn't be able to keep the
physical part in sync and the spell would fail.
That's just personal prejudice but I play a shaman with a totem
bonus to manipulation spells.
Fox on the Net
ICQ UIN - 5239612
Message no. 9
From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:13:26 +0000
On 20 Dec 97, Andy Gardner disseminated foul capitalist propaganda by
writing:

> On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:36:22 Justin Pinnow stated
>
> > Incorrect. Leaving/entering one's body via Astral Projection is
> > an exclusive activity. Therefore, no other magical activities may be
> > taken while doing so.
>
> Then why do spells cast when astrally projecting cause physical
> drain regardless of force ? It's not an exlusive activity for it's
> duration, just at the start and at the end. I agree with not being

And could you please explain to me what's the diference between what
you've said and what Justin said? You're both saying the SAME thing,
for Pete's sake!
IOW your post makes no sense. :P

Also, on 20 Dec 97, Andy Gardner disseminated foul capitalist
propaganda by writing:

> On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:48:42 Kevin R Mohondro pondered
>
> > I can't seem to find any reference on this. I may have just read right
> > over it, though. A mage casts a Control Actions spell on someone. Can the
> > mage astrally project and keep sustaining the spell?

> IM (H) O no.
> 2 reasons :
> 1.) Astrally projecting is a complex action and involves
> pain/disorientation to the mage doing it. This would make it
> impossible (or if you want, nearly impossible) to sustain the spell.

Where did you get the idea that Astral Projection involves pain? And
you have already replied to a post that stated the same thing -
Astral Projection is an EXCLUSIVE action. It's not a problem of pain
or disorientation, but, IMHO, concentration needed to do it. The same
at with exclusive spells.

> 2.) Control Actions is a manipulation spell. ALL of these have a
> mana AND a physical component which they need to work (one of the
> flaws in cyber-pirates. You can't cast a manipulation spell while
> projecting). That's why a window will stop them, the physical part

Of course you can! You can cast ANY spell while projecting. Of
course, casting it at a target in astrall will cause the target
Force(Drain Level) damage, even if you have cast Shapechange or Heal
on him, but that's an entirely another matter. <grin>

> will bounce from the window. (For Barbie's reference, this also
> applies to the shapechange spell. If there's a window between you
> and the caster it'll fail or break the window and be much reduced in
> force.) So while astrally projecting you wouldn't be able to keep

Actually, this only applies to DAMAGING MANIPULATION spells,
since they "energize" the caster to expel damaging stuff at the
target. Your magic fingers spell does not look like a dart that flies
up to the TKed item, ya know... It works even on targets begind
armored glass. At least, unless I have a really faulty memory when it
comes to rules. <grin>


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Message no. 10
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:18:17 -0500
> From: Andy Gardner <A.Gardner@******.COM>
> Date: Saturday, December 20, 1997 8:06 AM

> On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:36:22 Justin Pinnow stated

> > Incorrect. Leaving/entering one's body via Astral Projection is an
> > exclusive activity. Therefore, no other magical activities may be
taken
> > while doing so.

> Then why do spells cast when astrally projecting cause physical
> drain regardless of force ? It's not an exlusive activity for it's
> duration, just at the start and at the end.
> I agree with not being able to sustain spell when starting/ending
> projection.

Um, that's the same thing I stated in my post. Read slower next time. ;)

> Fox on the Net
> ICQ UIN - 5239612

Justin :)
Message no. 11
From: Andy Gardner <A.Gardner@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:41:27 +0000
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:18:17 Justin Pinnow berated

> > > Incorrect. Leaving/entering one's body via Astral Projection is an
> > > exclusive activity. Therefore, no other magical activities may be
> taken
> > > while doing so.
>
> > Then why do spells cast when astrally projecting cause physical
> > drain regardless of force ? It's not an exlusive activity for it's
> > duration, just at the start and at the end.
> > I agree with not being able to sustain spell when starting/ending
> > projection.
>
> Um, that's the same thing I stated in my post. Read slower next time. ;)
>
> > Fox on the Net
> > ICQ UIN - 5239612
>
> Justin :)

Tuck tail between legs and slink off. I just did a quick scan of the
post between bouts of X-Mas shopping and my brain must have been
turning to mulch. This human behaviour business has it's drawbacks.

Fox on the Net
ICQ UIN - 5239612
Message no. 12
From: Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:40:48 -0500
[much discussion snipped]
Entering or leaving the astral plane via astral projection is an Exclusive
magical activity, Gurth (I believe) pointed out. So you cannot be sustaining
any spells (or performing any other magical activities) while going astral or
returning to your physical body. You CAN cast spells in astral space and
sustain them, but you have to drop them to get back into your body.

Also, IMHO, astrally projecting is considered a "magical activity," so being
in astral form prevents you from performing other Exclusive magical feats,
like casting Exclusive spells or summoning spirits. You can still perform
other, non-exclusive, magical feats (like casting normal spells).

Steve K.

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