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Message no. 1
From: Morten <alteron@****.BROCK.DK>
Subject: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:10:49 +0200
Hello

I have been thinking that people in Skandinavia have an higher chance of =
being
physical adepts.

And the Viking period was coused by a Mana surge.

Greatings from Denmark.

Morten Andersen.
alteron@****.brock.dk
Message no. 2
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:14:37 PDT
>Hello

Hi!

>
>I have been thinking that people in Skandinavia have an higher chance
of =
>being
>physical adepts.
>
>And the Viking period was coused by a Mana surge.

Do you have any evidence to support this theory? Or is it a
random thought? Sounds very intresting if you can back it up...

>
>Greatings from Denmark.

Greatings from America.

-Vagabond
"Under wandering stars I've grown"
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Message no. 3
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:23:14 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 3:18:30 PM !!!First Boot!!!, alteron@****.BROCK.DK
writes:

> Hello
>
> I have been thinking that people in Skandinavia have an higher chance of
> being physical adepts.

Could one of you provide us with some information on the "true" nordic trolls,
as I recall them being far different than the trolls mentioned in SR.

> And the Viking period was coused by a Mana surge.

The Viking period, IMHO, was casued by hormones and greed.

Mike
Message no. 4
From: Katt Freyson <katt@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:33:38 -0400
-----Original Message-----
From: Airwasp
Sent: April 28, 1998 5:23 PM
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053


The Viking period, IMHO, was casued by hormones and greed.

=============
Nay sir, the Viking period was caused by hardships and need. Though I could
see how to an outsider it would seem to be a case of simple greed. Recall
that the Norse who went a vikin were living in areas where agriculture was
hard and they needed a source of wealth and food. Not that this excuses
their actions, but they had little choice.

As for the Norse troll, off hand my information be lacking, but if I recall
correctly my researches, they were actually small in stature, very much like
the elf and dwarf. BTW, the Norse elf is short in stature, unlike the
Tolkien Elf. And the Dwarf is a cousin of the elf. From the old Norse We get
the Light Alfs [bastardized to elf] and the Swarf [dark] alf [bastardized to
dwarf].

There is also the Black Alf [or some similar term] which is normally used
to indicate male ancestors who have been changed to alf after their death.

Katt Freyson
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Montreal, Canada
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Message no. 5
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:09:18 -0400
At 06:33 PM 4/28/98 -0400, you wrote:

<el snippo, third cousin of El Nino>

> There is also the Black Alf [or some similar term] which is
normally used
>to indicate male ancestors who have been changed to alf after their death.

Alfs? Why do I suddenly have this image of a wise-cracking humanoid mass
of brown fur and a big snout, about, oh, 3 or 4 feet tall?

I doubt this is what the Norse had in mind...;-)

Erik J.


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Message no. 6
From: Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:54:09 +1200
Quoth Erik Jameson (1209 29-4-98):

<el snippo, third cousin of El Nino>

> There is also the Black Alf [or some similar term]
which is
normally used
>to indicate male ancestors who have been changed to alf after
their death.

Alfs? Why do I suddenly have this image of a wise-cracking
humanoid mass
of brown fur and a big snout, about, oh, 3 or 4 feet tall?

I doubt this is what the Norse had in mind...;-)

'That's right. Go ahead. Blame it on the alien!' Damn, I wish they'd
rerun that Melmackian runt down here.

But seriously, Erik, I think what he's referring to are the *liosalvar*
and the *svartalvar* (light and dark 'alvar' (singular 'alv', meaning
'elf')). The liosalvar were the good guys, trying to make a life and be
nice; the svartalvar just wanted to crush the 'light' team and take over
the show (old story, new names).

(I got the terms from a novel I read a couple of years ago, so I can't
vouch for their accuracy. The spelling's right, though.)

Danyel Woods
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Message no. 7
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:51:00 PDT
>Could one of you provide us with some information on the "true" nordic
trolls,
>as I recall them being far different than the trolls mentioned in SR.

They are. The earlier post, was pretty much on que, IIRC.

>
>> And the Viking period was coused by a Mana surge.

This statement can be argued against.
>
>The Viking period, IMHO, was casued by hormones and greed.

The Viking period was caused by many things- the primary motive
being pure survival(if you want call stealing food in order to live
"greed", that's your proagative). The culture wasn't thriving enough
and many had to expand their resources- so they packed up and wandered
the globe(yes, the *globe*; as far west as America, and as far east as
Italy, and that's only stuff that was *recorded* they could have gone
much further some historians believe they may have found a Viking
artifact in or near China, but it's really speculative). Contrary to
popular belief, Vikings rarely took any more than they needed, and
sometimes it was even given to them. Frankly, I knew if I was going to
spend years at sea, and wouldn't weigh my boat down... especially if I
was going to tack wheels on it and move it across hundreds of miles of
land- which is just what they did.
I'm not trying to make Vikings out to be saints, because they
weren't(and that's why I love 'em). But there are many misconceptions
about them. They were very honorable(at least among their own, as well
as any allies), they often worked as mercenaries, fighting rival
kingdoms that they also may have had a beef with- does any of this sound
familiar my fellow Shadowrunners? :)
They had to have a warrior mind and instinct to survive. The cold
lands of the north were very unforgiving, and so they had to be as well.
Again, sound familiar?


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Message no. 8
From: Morten Ax <run_over@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:02:02 -0700
---Morten <alteron@****.BROCK.DK> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I have been thinking that people in Skandinavia have an higher
chance of being
> physical adepts.


Why? Not because some of our ansestors were vikings?

>And the Viking period was coused by a Mana surge.

You know that the viking culture developed from earlier societies,
don't you?

> Greatings from Denmark.

Hej, this ain't being evil, I'm just being critic.

> Morten Andersen.
> alteron@****.brock.dk
>

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Message no. 9
From: Christian Bryndum <d96403@***.LYNGBYES.DK>
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:37:40 +0200
At 18.33 28-04-98 -0400, you wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Airwasp
>Sent: April 28, 1998 5:23 PM
>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
>
>
>The Viking period, IMHO, was casued by hormones and greed.
>
>=============
> Nay sir, the Viking period was caused by hardships and need.
Though I could
>see how to an outsider it would seem to be a case of simple greed. Recall
>that the Norse who went a vikin were living in areas where agriculture was
>hard and they needed a source of wealth and food. Not that this excuses
>their actions, but they had little choice.

Hmmm i dont really think you are right there, Denmark and Sweden had an ok
agriculture.
They just behaved like any other race that wanted to increase their
wealths. Great Britian was once part of the danish kingdom. You can compare
it to Vietnam, where the US wanted to stop the communist threat and expand
their influence.
Nordic people had much "influence", when the Viking reigned.

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Message no. 10
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Scandinavia 2053
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:39:10 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 11:32:38 PM !!!First Boot!!!, katt@******.NET
writes:

> Nay sir, the Viking period was caused by hardships and need. Though I could
> see how to an outsider it would seem to be a case of simple greed. Recall
> that the Norse who went a vikin were living in areas where agriculture was
> hard and they needed a source of wealth and food. Not that this excuses
> their actions, but they had little choice.
>
> As for the Norse troll, off hand my information be lacking, but if
I
> recall
> correctly my researches, they were actually small in stature, very much
like
> the elf and dwarf. BTW, the Norse elf is short in stature, unlike the
> Tolkien Elf. And the Dwarf is a cousin of the elf. From the old Norse We
get
> the Light Alfs [bastardized to elf] and the Swarf [dark] alf [bastardized
to
> dwarf].
>
> There is also the Black Alf [or some similar term] which is
normally
> used
> to indicate male ancestors who have been changed to alf after their death.

Thank you for the revalations, seeing as a good bit of my information is tv
influenced, and the books I have read are rather sketchy on topics too.

As for the information on the Nordic Trolls and Elves I find it very
interesting. Is there some place you could suggest for more information, or
could you give us more information ?

Thanks,

Mike

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