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Message no. 1
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:47:15 -0500
I hope Blaze reads this and posts a reply ... :)

Okay, I was watching Politically Incorrect and the Host (Bill Mahr I
think) asked a question that made me stop and think ... since there was a
related topic on here, I'm asking the list ... and no, theis isn't [OT]
because it's very useful for RPing Female characters ...

So what's the damn question???

"How big can a woman's breasts be before she stops being taken
seriously?"
(you can answer in 199x or 205x as you wish :)

I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large can
a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"

have fun :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 2
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:48:09 +0100
In article <19980718.005242.17718.11.dghost@****.com>, Alfredo B Alves
<dghost@****.COM> writes
>I hope Blaze reads this and posts a reply ... :)

Heh. Why?

>Okay, I was watching Politically Incorrect and the Host (Bill Mahr I
>think) asked a question that made me stop and think ... since there was a
>related topic on here, I'm asking the list ... and no, theis isn't [OT]
>because it's very useful for RPing Female characters ...
>
>So what's the damn question???
>
>"How big can a woman's breasts be before she stops being taken
>seriously?"
>(you can answer in 199x or 205x as you wish :)

More than a handful. I have been told by several guys that they
consider more than a handful a waste, so, the general indication from
their comments and from the attitudes towards cheerleaders, models,
dancers and other areas of employment is that anything above say 34B is
when boobs become to focal point of attention as opposed to the person
possessing them. It also appears from a couple of surveys that American
males (this should cause trouble) prefer better endowed women, around
the 36B and up range. Apparently they feel less threatened by the
"motherly" appearance of larger breasts than they do from the
"masculine" appearance of small breasted women. But then, when one
considers how many US women are having implants - and then complaining
about them later because of health problems, hardness, discomfort it
begs the question regarding the mentality of women who feel they have to
pander to the desires of the male population. The bullshit advertising
regarding increased confidence should be reworded to say "increased male
attention". Bog boobs attract males - less so in the UK where the
general attitude is that they're wasteful and not necessarily
attractive, but it seems that Italian and American males like the larger
variety. And I do not for one minute believe it has anything to do with
Erik's childbearing comments. (sorry Erik).

In my experience, anything above 34B will reduce the reception a female
receives from males from conversational to leching.

>I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large can
>a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"

This is more psychological for the males. There is a lot of surgery in
the US at the moment regarding penile extension, especially in Hollywood
(surprise) though it's growing in popularity in Germany, Spain and Italy
as well. However, unless the male is going to make a point of
advertising, by say wearing tight trousers or lycra cycling shorts
everywhere then the point is rather moot. For some strange reason a lot
of people believe that a large phallus is essential to sexual enjoyment,
that's complete bull. It is not what you've got, it's what the owner
does. There is more to sex than having an impossibly sized phallus
which is effectively useless anyway and only truly suited to gay
magazines, so called women's magazines and porn movies.

From what I've seen current fashions do not really make a large or small
phallus noticeable. Trousers are more generously cut which brings the
whole thing down to the ego of the owner. After all, most women are
more interested in personal hygiene (does he smell nice and look clean)
and a nice butt, than a well stuffed trouser line. Also, in my not so
humble opinion the male personality has a very important role to play.
Specifically whether he realises his partner exists and takes notice -
especially during periods of sporting events. God help any male that
thinks football or any other game is more important than I am, he'll be
walking the plank much sooner than he may realise. I can't think of
anything worse than the sports addict couch potato who's existence fails
to project beyond the field/tv match. If one finds a nice guy who has a
life beyond football/baseball/whatever, and isn't just an ego bound
slob, then who gives a damn how big his dick is. Of course, stamina and
the ability to last longer than a couple of minutes would be nice.
<smirk>

--
Blaze
http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/angband/317/index.htm
Shadowrun: rants and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Message no. 3
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:17:29 -0400
Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
> I hope Blaze reads this and posts a reply ... :)
>
>
> "How big can a woman's breasts be before she stops being taken
> seriously?"
> (you can answer in 199x or 205x as you wish :)

for me well... I'd say either a DD or bigger. HHH i go drooly mad....;)

> I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large can
> a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"

Anything that can hold a torch to John Holmes(GB!)

--
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BigDaddy
Message no. 4
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:26:47 -0400
Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;

>"How big can a woman's breasts be before she stops being taken
>seriously?"
>(you can answer in 199x or 205x as you wish :)

I always take big breasts seriously. B>]#

>I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large can
>a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"

Well, I think I'm still taken seriously.
<looks down>
"Baby, you're a star"
B>]#

-Misogynistic Chauvinist 23-
B;>P#
Message no. 5
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:57:56 EDT
dghost wrote:

>I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large can
>a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"

Wouldn't that be better phrased as "How *small* can a man's penis be before he
stops being taken seriously"?

And why do so many runners like REALLY BIG GUNS?


--Smilin' Ted
--Barretts at 20 paces, anyone? "It's almost as long as I am tall!" -- FoF,
p.35
Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:22:56 -0500
On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:48:09 +0100 Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
writes:
>In article <19980718.005242.17718.11.dghost@****.com>, Alfredo B Alves
><dghost@****.COM> writes
>>I hope Blaze reads this and posts a reply ... :)

>Heh. Why?

Because it was similar to the women in RPGs post :) except this one
includes both genders ;P ... but I was just interested in what you
thought :)

>>Okay, I was watching Politically Incorrect and the Host (Bill Mahr I
>>think) asked a question that made me stop and think ... since there was
a
>>related topic on here, I'm asking the list ... and no, theis isn't [OT]
>>because it's very useful for RPing Female characters ...
>>
>>So what's the damn question???
>>
>>"How big can a woman's breasts be before she stops being taken
seriously?"
>>(you can answer in 199x or 205x as you wish :)

>More than a handful. I have been told by several guys that they
>consider more than a handful a waste, so, the general indication from
>their comments and from the attitudes towards cheerleaders, models,
>dancers and other areas of employment is that anything above say 34B is
>when boobs become to focal point of attention as opposed to the person
>possessing them.

Actually, for me at least, it depends on the person ... for most people,
I have no problem focusing on the person even if her breasts are Size D
(sorry but I'm not good with guessing the number ... nor even the cup
...) above that, I probably would have difficulty ... of course that
drops if she does and an unreasonable amount of shifting, bouncing, etc
... (if she delibrately trys to draw attention to her breasts [ie,
shifting arund more than a resonable amount, sticking her chest out, etc
...], I generally don't pay that much attention to her or her breasts
...)

The problem with me, is not that after a point I stop paying attention to
her, but rather that after a point her breasts are too distracting ... I
believe I rememberfrom somewhere that the edges of your field of vision
are more sensitive to motion than anything else or something like that
... and after a point, even a little bit of shifting causes a lot of
movement (like if turn a wheel at its axis at x RPM, then the edges
rotate faster than the axis... and if you double the radius, the edges
move MUCH faster ...)

>It also appears from a couple of surveys that American
>males (this should cause trouble) prefer better endowed women, around
>the 36B and up range.

It depends really ... most guys I know do like large breasts but also
don't like artificial breasts so ... For me, size is rather unimportant
but I don't like obviously artificial breasts ...

Hmmmm ... a thought just occured to me ... in 205x, there maybe
interesting advancements in Breast enhancements ... clonal technology
might allow for breast enlargement to be performed with actual tissue
rather than silicone or that other stuff ... and another thing might
become popular ... Breast replacement ... Replacing the mammary tissue
with artifical stuff that could be lighter (could make bras passe or just
more comfortable), armored, hollow (for storing all sorts of nifty toys
... grendaes, spare guns, or even just mundane items rather than carrying
a purse ...) , or even detachable (Normal size for day-to-day, EEE [grins
at another listmember ;] for bodyguard duty ...)! Okay I better shut up
before I get slapped :)

>Apparently they feel less threatened by the
>"motherly" appearance of larger breasts than they do from the
>"masculine" appearance of small breasted women. But then, when one
>considers how many US women are having implants - and then complaining
>about them later because of health problems, hardness, discomfort it
>begs the question regarding the mentality of women who feel they have to
>pander to the desires of the male population.

Yup ... AND the mentality of the men who would put them through that ...

>The bullshit advertising
>regarding increased confidence should be reworded to say "increased male
>attention". Bog boobs attract males - less so in the UK where the
>general attitude is that they're wasteful and not necessarily
>attractive, but it seems that Italian and American males like the larger
>variety. And I do not for one minute believe it has anything to do with
>Erik's childbearing comments. (sorry Erik).

Well, the childbearing thing is, I think, where it got started ... then
it got out of hand ... it's an instictual drive to seek out women with
big birthing hips and large breasts (Large meaning C/D not E+) Btw, glad
to hear the UK guys are more civilized :) or least in that regard ;)

>In my experience, anything above 34B will reduce the reception a female
>receives from males from conversational to leching.

That seems a bit stringent to me but then again I may be basing it on my
tastes instead of overall male attitude ... Btw, the consensus on
Politically Incorrect was a 'C' Cup ... but I don't know if that was as
soon as you get into 'C' cups men start drooling or once you get larger
than a 'C' cup ... It would really help if I could remember the original
phrasing of the question :)

>>I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large
can
>>a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"

>This is more psychological for the males. There is a lot of surgery in
>the US at the moment regarding penile extension, especially in Hollywood
>(surprise) though it's growing in popularity in Germany, Spain and Italy
>as well.

"Growing in popularity"???? Ewww! Bad pun! Bad pun! ;)

>However, unless the male is going to make a point of
>advertising, by say wearing tight trousers or lycra cycling shorts
>everywhere then the point is rather moot.

True ... I think baggy pants are the fashion now ... but tight jeans used
to be/ might still be/ probably will be again the fashion ... When I
added this question I was thinking of a scene from some movie ... I think
2 guys were in Mexico, may have been in the US ... They were trying to
pick up Prostitutes and one guy asked the price. When the prostitute
quoted her fare, he flattened out his trousers (pressing his hand down)
so what looked like a large penis was visible (I think it was just a sock
...) ... He asked what was the new price ... The prostitute doubled her
rate :)

>For some strange reason a lot
>of people believe that a large phallus is essential to sexual enjoyment,
>that's complete bull. It is not what you've got, it's what the owner
>does. There is more to sex than having an impossibly sized phallus
>which is effectively useless anyway and only truly suited to gay
>magazines, so called women's magazines and porn movies.

Agreed ... It may be the other side of the child bearing coin ...
Instinctively, we may think that someone is more fertile because of the
size of his penis ... I think the general idea is that men want 10 inch
penises ... the problem is that a woman's average vaginal canal is 7
inches ... All the extra length does is HURT! ...

>>From what I've seen current fashions do not really make a large or
small
>phallus noticeable. Trousers are more generously cut which brings the
>whole thing down to the ego of the owner.

Hmmmm ... Well it's hard to say ... I think a lot of the big macho ego
guys will run out a get big macho penises at first chance and try to make
it as obvious as possible ... There was a guy who played a CZ on IRC who
actually, in the middle of a meet with a Mr. J whipped out out his
cyberpenis and waved it at another "team" member whose player happens to
be on the list :) ... Well, it was promptly cut off ... but don't worry
appernetly this happens often so he carries a spare ... Hmmmmmm ... I
can't remember if he ever got his penis back ... I think he did though
... :)

>After all, most women are
>more interested in personal hygiene (does he smell nice and look clean)
>and a nice butt, than a well stuffed trouser line.

<grins> So guys should get butt implants? (hey, they DO make padded
underwear with both groin and butt padding ...)

>Also, in my not so
>humble opinion the male personality has a very important role to play.
>Specifically whether he realises his partner exists and takes notice -
>especially during periods of sporting events. God help any male that
>thinks football or any other game is more important than I am, he'll be
>walking the plank much sooner than he may realise. I can't think of
>anything worse than the sports addict couch potato who's existence fails
>to project beyond the field/tv match.

<chuckle> Fortunately, I don't like sports ... my biggest hobby is women
;)

>If one finds a nice guy who has a
>life beyond football/baseball/whatever, and isn't just an ego bound
>slob, then who gives a damn how big his dick is. Of course, stamina and
>the ability to last longer than a couple of minutes would be nice.
><smirk>
>
>--
>Blaze
<SNIP Sig>

So in conclusion, ditch the Mr. Studd implant and get Synthcardium :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 7
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:09:44 EDT
In a message dated 7/18/1998 7:49:53 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK writes:

<snipped everything from Erik's Childbearing reference to the "Trouser Line"
commentary to the "Bog Boobs" (don't ya just love typos?? :)>

> If one finds a nice guy who has a
> life beyond football/baseball/whatever, and isn't just an ego bound
> slob, then who gives a damn how big his dick is. Of course, stamina and
> the ability to last longer than a couple of minutes would be nice.
> <smirk>

Okay, now I think I've just about heard it all. No offense Blaze, but the
entire paragraph you just put forward sounded immensely like a massive
psychology review of the generic male progena. Not that it was wrong, your
choice of wording was just hilarious.

And as for these last two sentences ... I don't know, I'll be quiet now ...

-K

"Hey LOOK!!!, It's a Carebear!!!" <j/k><G>

(ROFLMAO)
Message no. 8
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:24:01 -0400
Smilin' Ted wrote:
>
> dghost wrote:
>
> >I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large can
> >a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"
>
> Wouldn't that be better phrased as "How *small* can a man's penis be before he
> stops being taken seriously"?
>
> And why do so many runners like REALLY BIG GUNS?
>
> --Smilin' Ted
> --Barretts at 20 paces, anyone? "It's almost as long as I am tall!" -- FoF,
> p.35


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"It's my PAC. And it's VERY happy to see you!"


--Jett

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Message no. 9
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:15:00 -0500
On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:57:56 EDT "Smilin' Ted" <Tuvyah@***.COM> writes:
>dghost wrote:
>>I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large
can
>>a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"

>Wouldn't that be better phrased as "How *small* can a man's penis be
before he
>stops being taken seriously"?

Possibly ... I'd say there are both upper and lower limits ...

>And why do so many runners like REALLY BIG GUNS?
>
>
>--Smilin' Ted
>--Barretts at 20 paces, anyone? "It's almost as long as I am tall!" --
FoF,
>p.35

I, personally care about effectiveness, not size ... my main runner
carries 2 Heavy Pistols, a Light Pistol, and a Holdout on a run ... I
general, she ussually has her holdout and maybe the light pistol ... She
sometimes also brings a SMG but that's rare ...

Btw, someone once told me that guns are a symbol of frustration :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 10
From: Pantherr <pantherr@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:13:16 -0500
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> Wouldn't that be better phrased as "How *small* can a man's penis be
> before he stops being taken seriously"?

Obviously larger than Howard Stern keeps trying to claim he is. ;)
Alison kinda discredited that claim in Private Parts, though (like I
care) :)

> And why do so many runners like REALLY BIG GUNS?

I dunno, but I"m guessing that there are female RPers who'd liken
that to the thing about guys with big 4x4s

Pantherr (whose chars prefer melee for the most part and who
doesn't have a car :P)

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Message no. 11
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:40:57 EDT
In a message dated 7/18/1998 2:26:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> >If one finds a nice guy who has a
> >life beyond football/baseball/whatever, and isn't just an ego bound
> >slob, then who gives a damn how big his dick is. Of course, stamina and
> >the ability to last longer than a couple of minutes would be nice.
> ><smirk>
> >Blaze
> <SNIP Sig>
> So in conclusion, ditch the Mr. Studd implant and get Synthcardium :)

Well, I can imagine that would help, but so would Symbiotes (quick recovery
time, to keep going and going and going... ;)

-K
Message no. 12
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:07:23 -0500
On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:40:57 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 7/18/1998 2:26:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>dghost@****.COM writes:
>> >If one finds a nice guy who has a
>> >life beyond football/baseball/whatever, and isn't just an ego bound
>> >slob, then who gives a damn how big his dick is. Of course, stamina
and
>> >the ability to last longer than a couple of minutes would be nice.
>> ><smirk>
>> >Blaze

>> <SNIP Sig>
>> So in conclusion, ditch the Mr. Studd implant and get Synthcardium :)

>Well, I can imagine that would help, but so would Symbiotes (quick
>recovery
>time, to keep going and going and going... ;)
>
>-K

So would orthoskin (+level to touch per percept) ... assuming orthoskin
is full-body ... :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 13
From: Paolo Marcucci <paolo@*********.IT>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:33:21 -0700
At 01:48 PM 7/18/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>"How big can a woman's breasts be before she stops being taken
>>seriously?"
>
>More than a handful.

Well, slightly a BIT more than a handful :) French géntlemans said that it
should fit a champagne cup.

>Apparently they feel less threatened by the
>"motherly" appearance of larger breasts than they do from the
>"masculine" appearance of small breasted women.

This could be a rational explanation. While is surely interesting to see a
large set, usually men stick for more reasonable-sized ones. After all, mom
is always mom, and you don't want her around all your life :)

>Bog boobs attract males - less so in the UK where the
>general attitude is that they're wasteful and not necessarily
>attractive, but it seems that Italian and American males like the larger
>variety.

*BOING*

(Paolo carefully check his ID and verifies his -current- nationality)

Ok, I will stand away for initiating a flame war that could easily extend
to other lists, countries, continents and even known planets. Wars had been
started by comments like these :)

>In my experience, anything above 34B will reduce the reception a female
>receives from males from conversational to leching.

Probably

>There is a lot of surgery in
>the US at the moment regarding penile extension, especially in Hollywood
>(surprise) though it's growing in popularity in Germany, Spain and Italy
>as well.

This is less a war declaration but a fact checking. And, while I don't have
seriously checked, I think that Spain and Italy are not too into this
thing. At least, not out of clinic cases. I talk about those two countries
because I know them pretty well, I'm sure people from Germany or wherever
else could comment on that.

>Specifically whether he realises his partner exists and takes notice -
>especially during periods of sporting events. God help any male that
>thinks football or any other game is more important than I am, he'll be
>walking the plank much sooner than he may realise. I can't think of
>anything worse than the sports addict couch potato who's existence fails
>to project beyond the field/tv match. If one finds a nice guy who has a
>life beyond football/baseball/whatever, and isn't just an ego bound
>slob, then who gives a damn how big his dick is.

Ok, that's fair for me.

>Of course, stamina and
>the ability to last longer than a couple of minutes would be nice.
><smirk>

Well, do you think it's easy?? <g>

--Paolo v2.0
Message no. 14
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:36:54 -0400
Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:40:57 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
> writes:
> >In a message dated 7/18/1998 2:26:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> >dghost@****.COM writes:
> >> >If one finds a nice guy who has a
> >> >life beyond football/baseball/whatever, and isn't just an ego bound
> >> >slob, then who gives a damn how big his dick is. Of course, stamina
> and
> >> >the ability to last longer than a couple of minutes would be nice.
> >> ><smirk>
> >> >Blaze
>
> >> <SNIP Sig>
> >> So in conclusion, ditch the Mr. Studd implant and get Synthcardium :)
>
> >Well, I can imagine that would help, but so would Symbiotes (quick
> >recovery
> >time, to keep going and going and going... ;)
> >
> >-K
>
> So would orthoskin (+level to touch per percept) ... assuming orthoskin
> is full-body ... :)

Oh, GOD, this reminds me of a funny, evil little thing...


GM: "Okay, the thug nails you in the crotch with the tazer club."
Player: "Okay..."
GM: "Oh, yeah, by the way, dermal armor doesn't cover testicles."
Player: "It doesn't?"
GM: "Nope."
Player: "Oh shit."


Can't take credit for this one, but when I heard it I LAUGHED...
--Jett

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occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

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time. I just make the walls a little more aggressive about it!"
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Message no. 15
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:18:04 -0600
At 14:22 18/07/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Actually, for me at least, it depends on the person ... for most people,
>I have no problem focusing on the person even if her breasts are Size D
>(sorry but I'm not good with guessing the number ... nor even the cup
>...) above that, I probably would have difficulty ... of course that
>drops if she does and an unreasonable amount of shifting, bouncing, etc
>... (if she delibrately trys to draw attention to her breasts [ie,
>shifting arund more than a resonable amount, sticking her chest out, etc
>...], I generally don't pay that much attention to her or her breasts
>...)

Well.. after I.. read that (Twice) (To understand..it better), I think..
I'm ready to comment! :-)

If you have problems with my take on things, email me privately. This
really doesn't need to turn into a long thread.. I hope..

In general, it's not what women wear, but how they wear it. If someone is
large or small breasted and go around acting normally, it's relatively easy
to take them seriously, because the usually don't end up doing things that
make you lower your field of vision.. However, when you're around the kind
that try to continually flaunt it (Whether they have "it" or not), it's
generally hard to take them seriously (Moreso if they don't have
"it"..<g>).

Also, if they continually go around acting self concious or defensive (This
also doesn't matter if they have "it" or not), it's harder to take them
seriously. Remember gym class? There was always *one* girl who went around
with her arms crossed, or doing something else to try and hide her breasts,
usually to the demise of her athletic skills. She was *always* the girl
that the guys noticed and laughed at, even though that was what she was
trying to prevent.

Bringing this into SR, with all the cosmetic surgery and suchlike
available, I damn well *hope* surgeons have figured out a way to make
implanted breasts move the way real ones do. And I wouldn't be surprised to
see a few token "Extremely large" simsense stars and the like. In general
though, I don't think SR subscribes so much to the cyberpunk mindset of
looks counting for everything, and I really don't picture every woman going
out and getting a new pair of perfect breasts if she doesn't like her old
ones..

Good lucks are all in the face. Honest. :-)

-Adam
Who's glad men aren't judged for their breasts.. <g>

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Message no. 16
From: Michael Orion Jackson <orion@****.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:54:04 -0500
I take women seriously all the time... ;) (Well, lustful pun
aside, I do. No true man could do less.)

I am fully cognizant of the (OT) nature of this, but...

What the FUCK is this doing on a SR list? I mean, come on,
discussions of breast/cock sizes? Reading Alt.sex would be more
efficient.

Just my .02Y.

*****************Michael Orion Jackson******************
***********TAMS Class of 96/UT Class of 2000************
*********************Random Quote:**********************
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Message no. 17
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:21:39 -0500
On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:18:04 -0600 Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA> writes:
>At 14:22 18/07/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Actually, for me at least, it depends on the person ... for most
people,
>>I have no problem focusing on the person even if her breasts are Size D
>>(sorry but I'm not good with guessing the number ... nor even the cup
>>...) above that, I probably would have difficulty ... of course that
>>drops if she does and an unreasonable amount of shifting, bouncing, etc
>>... (if she delibrately trys to draw attention to her breasts [ie,
>>shifting arund more than a resonable amount, sticking her chest out,
etc
>>...], I generally don't pay that much attention to her or her breasts
>>...)

>Well.. after I.. read that (Twice) (To understand..it better), I think..
>I'm ready to comment! :-)

It took me a while to write that because I couldn't think of the write
way to word it ... (never did ;)

>If you have problems with my take on things, email me privately. This
>really doesn't need to turn into a long thread.. I hope..
>
>In general, it's not what women wear, but how they wear it. If someone
is
>large or small breasted and go around acting normally, it's relatively
easy
>to take them seriously, because the usually don't end up doing things
that
>make you lower your field of vision.. However, when you're around the
kind
>that try to continually flaunt it (Whether they have "it" or not), it's
>generally hard to take them seriously (Moreso if they don't have
"it"..<g>).

Exactly.

>Also, if they continually go around acting self concious or defensive
(This
>also doesn't matter if they have "it" or not), it's harder to take them
>seriously. Remember gym class? There was always *one* girl who went
around
>with her arms crossed, or doing something else to try and hide her
breasts,
>usually to the demise of her athletic skills. She was *always* the girl
>that the guys noticed and laughed at, even though that was what she was
>trying to prevent.

Never had a girl in any of my gym classes like that but ... you're
probably right on that count too :)

>Bringing this into SR, with all the cosmetic surgery and suchlike
>available, I damn well *hope* surgeons have figured out a way to make
>implanted breasts move the way real ones do. And I wouldn't be surprised
to
>see a few token "Extremely large" simsense stars and the like.

Sounds right ... hmmmm ... I wonder if that Gene therapy stuff could be
used gentital alteration (smaller, larger, different shape, etc ...)

>In general
>though, I don't think SR subscribes so much to the cyberpunk mindset of
>looks counting for everything, and I really don't picture every woman
going
>out and getting a new pair of perfect breasts if she doesn't like her
old
>ones..

*Checks covers of Rigger 2, Awakenings, Bug City* ... Nope non of that
SuperSex here ... ;)

>Good lucks are all in the face. Honest. :-)
>
>-Adam
>Who's glad men aren't judged for their breasts.. <g>
<SNIP Sig>

Nope, Blaze judges us by our asses ... (j/k Blaze ;)

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Message no. 18
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:13:04 -0500
On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:54:04 -0500 Michael Orion Jackson
<orion@****.CC.UTEXAS.EDU> writes:
> I take women seriously all the time... ;) (Well, lustful pun
>aside, I do. No true man could do less.)
>
> I am fully cognizant of the (OT) nature of this, but...
>
> What the FUCK is this doing on a SR list? I mean, come on,
>discussions of breast/cock sizes? Reading Alt.sex would be more
>efficient.
>
> Just my .02Y.
>
>*****************Michael Orion Jackson******************
<SNIP Sig>

I'll tell you why ...

One listmember has a char with EEE breasts, IIRC ... She (the player)
chose this fully aware of, AFAIK, the effects ...

An IRC player has a CZ with an obscenely large cyberpenis (well, HAD ...
it cut off [well, HAS ... he had a spare]) who looked like an idiot (the
player) because of it ...

When I heard this on Politically Incorrect, I thought of these two things
and thought the list might benefit from a little discusion about this as
far as how large genitalia should be RPed basically ... it is not that OT
since it can easily be applied to SR ... :)

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Message no. 19
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:46:56 -0400
Blaze wrote:
>In my experience, anything above 34B will reduce the reception a female
>receives from males from conversational to leching.

Counter-question: how much of this is due to the fact that women with 34B+
are more likely to wear clothes that emphasize the breasts (tight shirts,
low collars, etc.)? From my experience, I tend to notice breasts only when
they are purposefully emphasized (I'm more into lips). I have known several
women who I realized (after about a year or so) were stacked, only because I
saw them in evening wear.

Wordman
Message no. 20
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:48:35 EDT
In a message dated 7/18/1998 4:11:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> So would orthoskin (+level to touch per percept) ... assuming orthoskin
> is full-body ... :)
>
Actually guy, that would make it less interesting for the person involved....
-K
Message no. 21
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:15:05 -0400
Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:54:04 -0500 Michael Orion Jackson
> <orion@****.CC.UTEXAS.EDU> writes:
> > I take women seriously all the time... ;) (Well, lustful pun
> >aside, I do. No true man could do less.)
> >
> > I am fully cognizant of the (OT) nature of this, but...
> >
> > What the FUCK is this doing on a SR list? I mean, come on,
> >discussions of breast/cock sizes? Reading Alt.sex would be more
> >efficient.
> >
> > Just my .02Y.
> >
> >*****************Michael Orion Jackson******************
> <SNIP Sig>
>
> I'll tell you why ...
>
> One listmember has a char with EEE breasts, IIRC ... She (the player)
> chose this fully aware of, AFAIK, the effects ...
>
> An IRC player has a CZ with an obscenely large cyberpenis (well, HAD ...
> it cut off [well, HAS ... he had a spare]) who looked like an idiot (the
> player) because of it ...
>

Hey, the guy whipped it out in front of the Johnson AND in front of
Jett, who happened to have her machete drawn...come on, he was asking
for it!

--Jett

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Message no. 22
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:55:01 EDT
In a message dated 7/18/98 9:06:23 PM, Jett wrote:

>Hey, the guy whipped it out in front of the Johnson AND in front of
>Jett, who happened to have her machete drawn...come on, he was asking
>for it!

"Mr. Johnson, meet Mr. Johnson...."
Message no. 23
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:01:18 EDT
In a message dated 7/18/98 5:17:51 PM, Adam wrote:

>Bringing this into SR, with all the cosmetic surgery and suchlike
>available, I damn well *hope* surgeons have figured out a way to make
>implanted breasts move the way real ones do.

Actually, the unnaturalness of implants has nothing to do with the implants
themselves; it's due to internal scarring caused by the procedure. If the
surgeon is sufficiently skilled (and the implants aren't too extreme) this can
be avoided, and it becomes much harder to tell fake from real.

Not that I've done a survey, you understand; But if you live in Silicone
Valley (L.A.) as I do, you can't help but learn by osmosis.

Smilin' Ted
Message no. 24
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:20:42 -0500
On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:48:35 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 7/18/1998 4:11:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>dghost@****.COM writes:
>
>> So would orthoskin (+level to touch per percept) ... assuming
orthoskin
>> is full-body ... :)

>Actually guy, that would make it less interesting for the person
>involved....
>-K

Actually guy, I'm aware of that ... I was responding with Blaze's comment
about what women like in mind ... but actually, considering that people
use balms (or whatever) to deaden the feeling so they can last longer,
this may fairly popular (plus it won't hurt so much when you get racked
...)

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Message no. 25
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:24:40 -0400
Once upon a time, Smilin' Ted wrote;

>Actually, the unnaturalness of implants has nothing to do with the implants
>themselves; it's due to internal scarring caused by the procedure. If the
>surgeon is sufficiently skilled (and the implants aren't too extreme) this
>can be avoided, and it becomes much harder to tell fake from real.

"Your breasts, they feel weird."
"Oh, that's because they're real."
-L.A. Story
Message no. 26
From: wafflemiester <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:42:15 -0500
> Taking Women Seriously (Alfredo B Alves , Sat 0:47)

> So what's the damn question???

The question is, how many really bad OT questions can a ShadowRNer post
before S/HE is no longer taken seriously....

:)

Mongoose
Message no. 27
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:02:04 +0100
In article <199807190450.AAA00995@********.flashpt.com>, Wordman
<wordman@*******.COM> writes
>Blaze wrote:
>>In my experience, anything above 34B will reduce the reception a female
>>receives from males from conversational to leching.
>
>Counter-question: how much of this is due to the fact that women with 34B+
>are more likely to wear clothes that emphasize the breasts (tight shirts,
>low collars, etc.)?

Well, I don't know about "tend" to wear. I'm not exactly subtle in my
dress style, but I do wear casual clothes because they're comfortable
rather than to show off. I have a rather generous cleavage and that
tends to attract more attention than anything I say, unfortunately baggy
clothes tend to make me look, erm, shall we say overweight. :@\ I can't
really speak for the US, but UK fashion for women is what I would
describe as pathetic, it's all designed to emphasise as much as possible
without actually revealing much of anything, and the pathetic Spice
Girls influence in clothing and shoes is particularly irritating at the
moment. My friends sister will wear clothes specifically to show off
her body, but then she does that for one reason and only one reason. I
think most females who aren't particularly out to be noticed will dress
casually and comfortably, whereas others who wish to attract attention
will dress accordingly - current fashion trends allowing. :)

>From my experience, I tend to notice breasts only when
>they are purposefully emphasized (I'm more into lips). I have known several
>women who I realized (after about a year or so) were stacked, only because I
>saw them in evening wear.

Heh, you'll excuse me if I find that difficult to understand. How can
it take a male a year or so to notice that someone is stacked? Do you
spend a lot of time with your nose buried in a book perchance?

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Message no. 28
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:03:55 +0100
In article <199807190824.EAA10496@********.mindspring.com>, MC23
<mc23@**********.COM> writes
>Once upon a time, Smilin' Ted wrote;
>
>>Actually, the unnaturalness of implants has nothing to do with the implants
>>themselves; it's due to internal scarring caused by the procedure. If the
>>surgeon is sufficiently skilled (and the implants aren't too extreme) this
>>can be avoided, and it becomes much harder to tell fake from real.
>
>"Your breasts, they feel weird."
>"Oh, that's because they're real."
> -L.A. Story


"My god, they're real"
Escape from LA


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Message no. 29
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:04:46 +0100
In article <35B1DB96.4244@**********.net>, wafflemiester
<evamarie@**********.NET> writes
>> Taking Women Seriously (Alfredo B Alves , Sat 0:47)
>
>> So what's the damn question???
>
> The question is, how many really bad OT questions can a ShadowRNer post
>before S/HE is no longer taken seriously....
>
>:)

A lot, unless it's about tea, woodchucks or that other subject. :)


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Message no. 30
From: Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:34:11 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-19 00:36:33 EDT, you write:

> An IRC player has a CZ with an obscenely large cyberpenis (well, HAD ...
> it cut off [well, HAS ... he had a spare]) who looked like an idiot (the
> player) because of it ...
>

IIRC, there are other Science-Future such as Cyberpunk 2020 and (IIRC) the
CyberHero sourcebook for the Champions system, that list "Cybernetic
Genitals". I was somewhat relieved that FASA chose not to put anything similar
in their books. It kind of lends an element of absurdity to the genre.

Mgkelly (Who's characters have always been happy with their original
'equipment', regardless of whatever other body-parts had been
replaced or modified).
Message no. 31
From: Pantherr <pantherr@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:28:19 -0500
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> Heh, you'll excuse me if I find that difficult to understand. How can
> it take a male a year or so to notice that someone is stacked? Do you
> spend a lot of time with your nose buried in a book perchance?

Simple. Not all of us guys are the perverted horndogs some
women seem to stereotype us as. I for one have had several
female friends whose 'attributes' I didn't notice for years. Simply
because I didn't pay any attention to them. (I wasn't interested in
that sort of relationship with them)

Pantherr



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Message no. 32
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:59:23 EDT
In a message dated 7/19/98 5:03:51 AM, Blaze wrote:

>Heh, you'll excuse me if I find that difficult to understand. How can
>it take a male a year or so to notice that someone is stacked?

Nope, don't think I can. Some men actually look at women's faces first; some
women dress in loose-fitting clothes. It has been known to happen. And these
men don't even have to be bookworms for this to be true.

Smilin' Ted
Message no. 33
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:08:33 +0100
In article <199807191629.LAA20661@*****.internetland.net>, Pantherr
<pantherr@*****.NET> writes
>Hash: SHA1
>
>> Heh, you'll excuse me if I find that difficult to understand. How can
>> it take a male a year or so to notice that someone is stacked? Do you
>> spend a lot of time with your nose buried in a book perchance?
>
>Simple. Not all of us guys are the perverted horndogs some
>women seem to stereotype us as.

Fair enough, agreed, but not to notice the physical build of a "friend"
or someone who occasionally must stand in front of one is - strange. :)

I can fully understand that there would be no desire or "horndog"
attitude, but to simply not notice indicates either a lack of attention
or blindness, not consideration. The statement also seems to imply that
one would be incapable of describing that person, should the need ever
arise.


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Message no. 34
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:16:37 -0400
Blaze wrote:
>I wrote:
>>From my experience, I tend to notice breasts only when
>>they are purposefully emphasized (I'm more into lips). I have known several
>>women who I realized (after about a year or so) were stacked, only because I
>>saw them in evening wear.
>
>Heh, you'll excuse me if I find that difficult to understand. How can
>it take a male a year or so to notice that someone is stacked?

I said _some_ women. Most make it very obvious.

>Do you
>spend a lot of time with your nose buried in a book perchance?

Well, I've been dating the same woman for about five years, so generally my
nose is buried... well, elsewhere. In dating Eva, maybe it's just that I
don't look at breasts as much as I used to. (Again, let me say that I'm not
really a "breast man" in the first place, so I'm probably atypical in that
respect.)

Wordman

P.S. For the curious, pic of Eva and I on Chapaquiddick (hey, what can I
say, I like the picture):
http://challenger.flashpt.com/lward/graphics/EvaLes.jpg.

P.P.S. For those with way to much time on their hands, other pictures from
my life can be found at:
http://challenger.flashpt.com/lward/personal/fampics.html
Message no. 35
From: Pantherr <pantherr@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:26:26 -0500
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> Fair enough, agreed, but not to notice the physical build of a "friend"
> or someone who occasionally must stand in front of one is - strange. :)

Hey, who said I was normal? <g>

I've always considered myself the exception to most rules ;)

> I can fully understand that there would be no desire or "horndog"
> attitude, but to simply not notice indicates either a lack of attention
> or blindness, not consideration. The statement also seems to imply that
> one would be incapable of describing that person, should the need ever
> arise.

Well, I've never been very good at describing people. It's just that if
I'm not *thinking* about someone in that way, I just plain don't
consciously notice. But if I had to imagine what that person looked
like, it'd be there. I just push things that don't have my attention
out of my conscious awareness, I guess <shrug>

FWIW, eyes are the first thing I tend to actually consciously
notice, unless there's a reason my attention is drawn elsewhere

Pantherr



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Message no. 36
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:58:03 EDT
In a message dated 7/19/98 12:06:20 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
zmjett@*********.COM writes:

> > One listmember has a char with EEE breasts, IIRC ... She (the player)
> > chose this fully aware of, AFAIK, the effects ...
> >
> > An IRC player has a CZ with an obscenely large cyberpenis (well, HAD ...
> > it cut off [well, HAS ... he had a spare]) who looked like an idiot (the
> > player) because of it ...
> >
>
> Hey, the guy whipped it out in front of the Johnson AND in front of
> Jett, who happened to have her machete drawn...come on, he was asking
> for it!

This probably sounds familiar to a lot of people, or close to it at least ...

One day a friend and I were out doing our normal newspaper delivery route
early one morning. We were both pretty tired and our conversations usually
were somewhat game oriented in nature.

We came up with something sadistic and twisted ... a rigger named Schlong ...

All of his drones were penises ... of varying sizes and the like ...

We even came up with a quote for him ... "You've been dicked by Schlong."

We even had him as an enemy of one of the player's in the group, Perry, as he
played Atlas / Eclipse who happened to have been a former porn star at some
time in his history. This we decided had something to do with penis size and
Atlas's getting certain -choice- parts in certain flicks, and Schlong wanted
to "screw" Atlas over for the years of overshadowing him in the Industry.

We had a good laugh with, and in the end (no pun intended) decided to walk
away from the idea as being too ridiculuos, but it's still on the back-burner.

A note on the side, the name of the production company was Brilliant Wanger
Productions, based out of Seattle, with the chief producer being some guy
named Slick Willy.

-Herc
-------- The Best Mechanic you can ever have.
Message no. 37
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:16:22 -0400
Smilin' Ted wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/18/98 9:06:23 PM, Jett wrote:
>
> >Hey, the guy whipped it out in front of the Johnson AND in front of
> >Jett, who happened to have her machete drawn...come on, he was asking
> >for it!
>
> "Mr. Johnson, meet Mr. Johnson...."

ROFLMCAO! Still wouldn't have saved him from my wrath, though, even if
he DID make me laugh that hard...

--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>



"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

"Crushed to death IS natural. Walls fall on people and kill them all the
time. I just make the walls a little more aggressive about it!"
--Cinder the pyrokinetic/psi, on natural causes of death


http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 38
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:03:35 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-19 12:29:51 EDT, pantherr@*****.NET (Pantherr)
writes:

<< Simple. Not all of us guys are the perverted horndogs some
women seem to stereotype us as. I for one have had several
female friends whose 'attributes' I didn't notice for years. Simply
because I didn't pay any attention to them. (I wasn't interested in
that sort of relationship with them)
>>

Your right. Some of us aren't.

Most of us are.

Women call us dogs. I know alot of the time it is meant as a derrogatory
comment but you have no idea how right you are. All women should be told when
they hit puberty to watch the family dog and study him. What does the dog like
to do? Have sex, eat, sleep, chase a ball. When she notices all 4 she is ready
for dating.

I think it might surprise women just how many guys are just fine with 34B. I
prefer the 44DD personally but I am not going to give up a great lady with the
34B to go chasing a pair of 44DD with not much else attached to it.

In a message dated 98-07-18 08:49:56 EDT, Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK (Blaze)
writes:

<< This is more psychological for the males. There is a lot of surgery in
the US at the moment regarding penile extension, especially in Hollywood
(surprise) though it's growing in popularity in Germany, Spain and Italy
as well. >>

Amazing. I wasn't aware that this had become an "in" thing. Last I heard the
procedure was being lambasted as a sham and quite dangerous.
I don't understand the size thing with guys. Worrying about it isn't going to
change anything. For some women it does matter but there is a large segment of
the female population that doesn't care. If you find one that does care, send
her on down the road. You'll stand a far better chance of finding someone
that doesn't care than she does in finding something far more rare than 44DDs
and not nearly as easy to identify.
From my experience if you handle other things properly your "gear", or lack
of, isn't going to matter much.
Message no. 39
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:50:32 -0400
Mike Bobroff wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/19/98 12:06:20 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> zmjett@*********.COM writes:
>
> > > One listmember has a char with EEE breasts, IIRC ... She (the player)
> > > chose this fully aware of, AFAIK, the effects ...
> > >
> > > An IRC player has a CZ with an obscenely large cyberpenis (well, HAD ...
> > > it cut off [well, HAS ... he had a spare]) who looked like an idiot (the
> > > player) because of it ...
> > >
> >
> > Hey, the guy whipped it out in front of the Johnson AND in front of
> > Jett, who happened to have her machete drawn...come on, he was asking
> > for it!
>
> This probably sounds familiar to a lot of people, or close to it at least ...
>
> One day a friend and I were out doing our normal newspaper delivery route
> early one morning. We were both pretty tired and our conversations usually
> were somewhat game oriented in nature.
>
> We came up with something sadistic and twisted ... a rigger named Schlong ...
>
> All of his drones were penises ... of varying sizes and the like ...
>
> We even came up with a quote for him ... "You've been dicked by Schlong."


This reminds me of a run that I created, someone else wound up GMing on
IRC...I sorta regret I came up with it later, considering the way it
went...
The players were hired by a wealthy japanese guy to steal a rare
artifact remored to increase sexual potency. So they break into the
museum, and discover that the artifact was in the form of a 6-foot-tall
stone penis. The runners also discover that touching said artifact gives
a person almost spontaneous orgasms...for the rest of the run, once we
got the thing into the van, the rigger was like "Stop petting the giant
stone penis!" And the rest of us were trying to sneak in little touches
for the thrill...It actually got pretty raunchy, but we were laughing so
hard by the end of it that no one cared.

Reason that I regret ever starting that run? I was playing my centaur
character Reit. Half horse, half man. It was NOT pretty, boys and girls.

--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>



"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

"Crushed to death IS natural. Walls fall on people and kill them all the
time. I just make the walls a little more aggressive about it!"
--Cinder the pyrokinetic/psi, on natural causes of death


http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 40
From: Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:56:10 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-19 14:14:51 EDT, you write:

> Women call us dogs. I know alot of the time it is meant as a derrogatory
> comment but you have no idea how right you are. All women should be told
> when
> they hit puberty to watch the family dog and study him. What does the dog
> like
> to do? Have sex, eat, sleep, chase a ball. When she notices all 4 she is
> ready
> for dating.
>
> I think it might surprise women just how many guys are just fine with 34B.
I
> prefer the 44DD personally but I am not going to give up a great lady with
> the
> 34B to go chasing a pair of 44DD with not much else attached to it.
>

I know DaddyBlues IRL and this is a frequent topic of conversation with our
gaming group. And I can say, from being a male and given that my gaming group
is comprise exclusively of that gender, that there is a lot of conversations
about women's breasts. Most guys seem to find large breasts catching their
attention, but would most likely go for a woman that has something more than
just large breasts.
Big breasts are attention-getters, but they really don't matter unless the
woman has brains and personality, IMNSHO. A lot of people (including other
women) immediately think that well-endowed women are air-heads, which ends up
leaving those that aren't having to prove themselves to be something other
than a stereotype.
Guys don't have to worry about being thought of as air-heads, we just have to
prove to the women that we date that we are interested in something other
than sex and that some men actually ARE capable of telling the truth.

Mgkelly
Message no. 41
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:06:10 -0400
Once upon a time, Machine-gun Kelly wrote;

>Guys don't have to worry about being thought of as air-heads, we just have to
>prove to the women that we date that we are interested in something other
>than sex and that some men actually ARE capable of telling the truth.

Telling the truth and saying we are interested something else
besides sex? Yeah, right! I'll straight up tell women I'm a horny
bastard, if that bothers them we don't date and it avoids problems later
on. It also helps me stay out of trouble by telling someone I only
interested in sex right now. If they don't mind then I'm definitely in
for trouble (which is thankfully rarely). B>]#

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

I swear to tell
the Truth, the partial Truth, or something like the Truth.

I am MC23
Message no. 42
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:06:20 -0400
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>
>> So would orthoskin (+level to touch per percept) ... assuming
orthoskin
>> is full-body ... :)
>>
>Actually guy, that would make it less interesting for the person
involved....

First of all, there happen to be 2 people involved in this
hypothetical. :)

Secondly, let me restate the orignal thought that spawned this thread,
since it's been snipped. The suggestion was for guys to last more than
a few minutes, while in the act.

If a guy is less sensitive to touch, then generally, it will take
longer for him to work himself up.

Which, in this case, would make it more interesting for the _other_
person involved. ;)
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I control your fate!"
-- Dexter, Dexter's Laboratory.
Message no. 43
From: Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:10:51 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-19 15:06:53 EDT, you write:

> Telling the truth and saying we are interested something else
> besides sex? Yeah, right! I'll straight up tell women I'm a horny
> bastard, if that bothers them we don't date and it avoids problems later
> on. It also helps me stay out of trouble by telling someone I only
> interested in sex right now. If they don't mind then I'm definitely in
> for trouble (which is thankfully rarely). B>]#

Well, only if you are really intereseted in dating them do you have to
convince them that you are truth and aren't interested just in sex.
But, if you are, it's best to just get that out in the open first ;]
(You know what I mean by 'get it out in the open first', you perverts!)

Mgkelly
Message no. 44
From: Wiebke & Birger Timm <WiebkeT@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:56:41 +0200
wafflemiester wrote:

> The question is, how many really bad OT questions can a ShadowRNer post
> before S/HE is no longer taken seriously....

Again it seems to be: How *few* OT questions can a ShadowRNer post before s/he is
no longer taken seriously... (as even GridSec takes part in OTs lively ;-) )

Blix
Message no. 45
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:00:09 EDT
In a message dated 7/19/98 3:07:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
RunnerPaul@*****.COM writes:

> If a guy is less sensitive to touch, then generally, it will take
> longer for him to work himself up.

Keep in mind that some women may get upset at being rubbed raw in the pursuit
of enjoymet.

There is a such a thing as too much insensitivity.

-El Bandit

Reason #173 to fear technology:

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Message no. 46
From: "Jonny D. Robinson" <OracleBlur@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:42:10 EDT
Jett spray painted this on the side of a building...or somewhere on the
mailing list...

> > We came up with something sadistic and twisted ... a rigger named Schlong
.
> ..
> >
> > All of his drones were penises ... of varying sizes and the like ...
> >
> > We even came up with a quote for him ... "You've been dicked by
Schlong."
>
>
> This reminds me of a run that I created, someone else wound up GMing on
> IRC...I sorta regret I came up with it later, considering the way it
> went...
> The players were hired by a wealthy japanese guy to steal a rare
> artifact remored to increase sexual potency. So they break into the
> museum, and discover that the artifact was in the form of a 6-foot-tall
> stone penis. The runners also discover that touching said artifact gives
> a person almost spontaneous orgasms...for the rest of the run, once we
> got the thing into the van, the rigger was like "Stop petting the giant
> stone penis!" And the rest of us were trying to sneak in little touches
> for the thrill...It actually got pretty raunchy, but we were laughing so
> hard by the end of it that no one cared.
>
> Reason that I regret ever starting that run? I was playing my centaur
> character Reit. Half horse, half man. It was NOT pretty, boys and girls.

That really REALLY REALLY scares me.... I think we should get off of this
subject NOW IF NOT SOONER. Although some of this stuff is kinda
funny...<snickers>

Robinson
-Snickerer of Chickens
Message no. 47
From: Wiebke & Birger Timm <WiebkeT@********.DE>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:42:22 +0200
Alfredo B Alves wrote:

> >And why do so many runners like REALLY BIG GUNS?
>



> I, personally care about effectiveness, not size ... my main runner
> carries 2 Heavy Pistols, a Light Pistol, and a Holdout on a run ... I
> general, she ussually has her holdout and maybe the light pistol ... She
> sometimes also brings a SMG but that's rare ...
>
> Btw, someone once told me that guns are a symbol of frustration :)
>
> D.Ghost
> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
> "Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

hm...small but effective guns? Do you remember the "chirping cricket" in
MIB? (I hope they translated it right...) It was REALLY small but it flung
the user some metres through the air until he landed with his butt in a
car's front window...;-)

Blix
Message no. 48
From: Iridios <iridios@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:32:09 -0400
Wiebke & Birger Timm wrote:
Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:42:22 +0200

> hm...small but effective guns? Do you remember the "chirping cricket" in
> MIB? (I hope they translated it right...)

Actually it was a "noisy cricket".

> Blix




--"Any science, sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."
--Arthur C. Clarke

Iridios
iridios@*********.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9489
http://members.theglobe.com/Iridios

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Message no. 49
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:19:33 -0400
Smilin' Ted wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/18/98 5:17:51 PM, Adam wrote:
>
> >Bringing this into SR, with all the cosmetic surgery and suchlike
> >available, I damn well *hope* surgeons have figured out a way to make
> >implanted breasts move the way real ones do.
>
> Actually, the unnaturalness of implants has nothing to do with the implants
> themselves; it's due to internal scarring caused by the procedure. If the
> surgeon is sufficiently skilled (and the implants aren't too extreme) this can
> be avoided, and it becomes much harder to tell fake from real.
>
> Not that I've done a survey, you understand; But if you live in Silicone
> Valley (L.A.) as I do, you can't help but learn by osmosis.
>


It's even easier to tell in person. Just the feel of 'em is all i need.
Fake breasts are
A.Large
B.Hard as a rock.

Larger breasts should never ever ever AFAIK be that firm.

ps I did all my reasearch at a place called Mons Venus :) ever hear of
it?
--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 50
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:22:48 -0400
Pantherr wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> > Heh, you'll excuse me if I find that difficult to understand. How can
> > it take a male a year or so to notice that someone is stacked? Do you
> > spend a lot of time with your nose buried in a book perchance?
>
> Simple. Not all of us guys are the perverted horndogs
some
> women seem to stereotype us as.
WE AREN'T?????? NO WAY!!!



--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 51
From: Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:26:09 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-20 01:18:17 EDT, BigDaddy writes:

> Larger breasts should never ever ever AFAIK be that firm.
>

Depends on the woman.

But I don't need to go there or expose any more of my personal life....

Still though, at least Breast Implants would be covered under the "Plastic
Surgery" entry on the Cyberware list in the BBB. It's more of a role-playing
issue than anything I would guess. Imagine, that a human woman that's 44D (we
all know who started that sizing issue ;]) would actually be considered
*small* if being observed by a Troll.
In essence (no pun), not really a big effect on any sort of game mechanic.
And I'm still very glad that FASA didn't do the same as other Science-Fututre
games and actually list Cybernetic Genital Replacements (that kind of moved CP
2020 and CyberHero into the hokey/absurd realm for me when I read through the
rules).

Mgkelly
Message no. 52
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:30:24 -0400
MC23 wrote:
>
> Once upon a time, Machine-gun Kelly wrote;
>
> >Guys don't have to worry about being thought of as air-heads, we just have to
> >prove to the women that we date that we are interested in something other
> >than sex and that some men actually ARE capable of telling the truth.
>
> Telling the truth and saying we are interested something else
> besides sex? Yeah, right! I'll straight up tell women I'm a horny
> bastard, if that bothers them we don't date and it avoids problems later
> on. It also helps me stay out of trouble by telling someone I only
> interested in sex right now. If they don't mind then I'm definitely in
> for trouble (which is thankfully rarely). B>]#
>

AMEN BROTHER!! Finnallly a likemind amongst the rest! Women know what
they get from me since day 1. I treat em right, do all that is required
and then some (hell knights could take lessons from me), but they must
realize one thing. I like sex, plain and simple. If I have to wait 2-3
months for it, wellllllllllllllll lets just say it doesn't happen often.


Anyway, ya gotta know what your gettin yourself into before ya start the
relationship. If it's just sex, tell them it's just sex, guys understand
this, and I luv women that use men for a nice piece o'booty(i admire
ones like this! '90s rule!) If its a relationship, hint at it but don't
go proposin.


Enough Dr. Ruth for 1:30Am

--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 53
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:33:08 -0400
Paul Gettle wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> At 12:48 AM 7/19/98 -0400, K wrote:
> >In a message dated 7/18/1998 4:11:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> >dghost@****.COM writes:
> >
> >> So would orthoskin (+level to touch per percept) ... assuming
> orthoskin
> >> is full-body ... :)
> >>
> >Actually guy, that would make it less interesting for the person
> involved....
>
> First of all, there happen to be 2 people involved in this
> hypothetical. :)
>
> Secondly, let me restate the orignal thought that spawned this thread,
> since it's been snipped. The suggestion was for guys to last more than
> a few minutes, while in the act.
>
> If a guy is less sensitive to touch, then generally, it will take
> longer for him to work himself up.


> Which, in this case, would make it more interesting for the _other_
> person involved. ;)


Not really. If Mr. Happy is standin proud, fine and dandy. But if its 3
or 4 hours before he gets a chance to ummmm<lookin for a nice pc term!!
crap!> get off, the chik will most likely "dry" out. It sux but its
happened. Unless you bring along extra lubricants then that extra skin
won't mean a lick.
--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 54
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:01:34 -0400
Machine-gun Kelly wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-20 01:18:17 EDT, BigDaddy writes:
>
> > Larger breasts should never ever ever AFAIK be that firm.
> >
>
> Depends on the woman.
>
> But I don't need to go there or expose any more of my personal life....

Large breasts require a lot of...ahem...upkeep to keep them perky. And
they generally don't stay firm as basketballs after, oh, say, 20. If
you're lucky.
Another special Jett presentation, or, How you Can REALLY Tell if the
Breasts are Real...

o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie them
in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~

*Jett promptly flees to her lair deep underground, far below Gurth's
stairs. Her way of technically getting under them...


--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>



"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

"Crushed to death IS natural. Walls fall on people and kill them all the
time. I just make the walls a little more aggressive about it!"
--Cinder the pyrokinetic/psi, on natural causes of death


http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 55
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:07:56 EDT
In a message dated 7/19/98 9:18:18 PM, BigDaddy wrote:

>It's even easier to tell in person. Just the feel of 'em is all i need.
>Fake breasts are
>A.Large
>B.Hard as a rock.
>
>Larger breasts should never ever ever AFAIK be that firm.

But BigDaddy, if they're good fakes, you won't know...'cause they won't be
that firm. Don't ask me how I know, just trust me on this.

Smilin' Ted
-Trying not to drag the whole list down with him into his self-made Hell of
cheap sin and degradation
Message no. 56
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:11:07 EDT
In a message dated 7/19/98 9:51:51 PM, Jett wrote:

>o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie them
>in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
>shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~

You from the UK, Jett? That's the only place I've heard that one....

Smilin' Ted
Message no. 57
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:37:46 -0400
Smilin' Ted wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/19/98 9:51:51 PM, Jett wrote:
>
> >o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie them
> >in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
> >shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~
>
> You from the UK, Jett? That's the only place I've heard that one....
>
> Smilin' Ted

Nope. USA all the way!
--
--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>



"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

"Crushed to death IS natural. Walls fall on people and kill them all the
time. I just make the walls a little more aggressive about it!"
--Cinder the pyrokinetic/psi, on natural causes of death


http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 58
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:31:16 -0400
Smilin' Ted wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/19/98 9:18:18 PM, BigDaddy wrote:
>
> >It's even easier to tell in person. Just the feel of 'em is all i need.
> >Fake breasts are
> >A.Large
> >B.Hard as a rock.
> >
> >Larger breasts should never ever ever AFAIK be that firm.
>
> But BigDaddy, if they're good fakes, you won't know...'cause they won't be
> that firm. Don't ask me how I know, just trust me on this.
>

Ok now im confused. Are there more than one type of silicone
injections????
--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 59
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:41:36 -0400
BigDaddy wrote:
>
> Smilin' Ted wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 7/19/98 9:18:18 PM, BigDaddy wrote:
> >
> > >It's even easier to tell in person. Just the feel of 'em is all i need.
> > >Fake breasts are
> > >A.Large
> > >B.Hard as a rock.
> > >
> > >Larger breasts should never ever ever AFAIK be that firm.
> >
> > But BigDaddy, if they're good fakes, you won't know...'cause they won't be
> > that firm. Don't ask me how I know, just trust me on this.
> >
>
> Ok now im confused. Are there more than one type of silicone
> injections????
> --
> Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
> BigDaddy

Saline implants, IIRC, are softer and more "realistically saggy" than
silicone.

--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>



"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

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time. I just make the walls a little more aggressive about it!"
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Message no. 60
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:32:18 -0400
Once upon a time, Smilin' Ted wrote;

>In a message dated 7/19/98 9:51:51 PM, Jett wrote:
>
>>o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie them
>>in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
>>shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~
>
>You from the UK, Jett? That's the only place I've heard that one....

I've heard it before but it was Balls.

-MC "I'll dip my balls in it" 23-
Message no. 61
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:35:26 EDT
In a message dated 7/19/1998 3:25:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> Actually guy, I'm aware of that ... I was responding with Blaze's comment
> about what women like in mind ... but actually, considering that people
> use balms (or whatever) to deaden the feeling so they can last longer,
> this may fairly popular (plus it won't hurt so much when you get racked
> ...)
>
ahhhhh....okay, I understand now. BUT, I do have to admit Jett's little story
about "Dermal Armor" wins out in this -particular- region of discussion :)

-K
Message no. 62
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:02:29 -0400
Jett wrote:
>
> BigDaddy wrote:
> >
> > Smilin' Ted wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/19/98 9:18:18 PM, BigDaddy wrote:
> > >
> > > >It's even easier to tell in person. Just the feel of 'em is all i need.
> > > >Fake breasts are
> > > >A.Large
> > > >B.Hard as a rock.
> > > >
> > > >Larger breasts should never ever ever AFAIK be that firm.
> > >
> > > But BigDaddy, if they're good fakes, you won't know...'cause they won't be
> > > that firm. Don't ask me how I know, just trust me on this.
> > >
> >
> > Ok now im confused. Are there more than one type of silicone
> > injections????
> > --
> > Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
> > BigDaddy
>
> Saline implants, IIRC, are softer and more "realistically saggy" than
> silicone.
>
>
who wants them to sag anyway. isnt that the point of gettin a boob job??
-
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 63
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:19:53 -0500
On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:41:36 -0400 Jett <zmjett@*********.COM> writes:
<SNIP>
>Saline implants, IIRC, are softer and more "realistically saggy" than
>silicone.
>
>--Jett
<SNIP Sig> (I'm just in a SNIPpy mood ain't I? ;)

"Realistically saggy"? Jett, you have such a way with words... ;)

D.Ghost
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Message no. 64
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:17:19 -0500
On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:01:34 -0400 Jett <zmjett@*********.COM> writes:
<SNIP>
>*Jett promptly flees to her lair deep underground, far below Gurth's
>stairs. Her way of technically getting under them...
>
>
>--Jett
<SNIP Sig>

Wait ... does that mean that technically Gurth's on top? ... ;)

*Doesn't go anywhere* (prefers to just sit and watch the fish fly ...)

D.Ghost (Who really should get his mind up to the gutters;)
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Message no. 65
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:37:45 EDT
In a message dated 7/19/98 10:29:45 PM, BigDaddy wrote:

>Ok now im confused. Are there more than one type of silicone
>injections????

The silicone isn't injected. It's sealed inside a plastic pouch, and the
entire pouch is surgically implanted within the breast to enlarge it.

But thanks to lawsuits from women who claimed to have developed adverse
reactions to the silicone, the pouches are now going to be filled only with
saline solution.

And as I mentioned before, the hardness (IIRC) is due to scar tissue
developing around the implant area -- something that can be avoided if the
surgeon is good enough (again, IIRC).

Smilin' Ted
Ground Zero Boy in the Implant Explosion
Message no. 66
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:21:06 -0500
On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:32:18 -0400 MC23 <mc23@**********.COM> writes:
>Once upon a time, Smilin' Ted wrote;
>>In a message dated 7/19/98 9:51:51 PM, Jett wrote:
>>
>>>o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie
them
>>>in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
>>>shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~

>>You from the UK, Jett? That's the only place I've heard that one....

> I've heard it before but it was Balls.
>
>-MC "I'll dip my balls in it" 23-

I think the original is ears ...

D.Ghost (who heard all three versions before he joined the list ... :)
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 67
From: Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:40:32 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
>Smilin' Ted wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 7/19/98 9:51:51 PM, Jett wrote:
>>
>> >o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie them
>> >in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
>> >shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~
>>
>> You from the UK, Jett? That's the only place I've heard that one....
>>
>> Smilin' Ted
>
>Nope. USA all the way!


How do you manage to make all these great songs Jett? And if you say its a
gift, I'm not sure if that gift is a beneficial one for humanity...

Wraith
Message no. 68
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:18:10 +0100
And verily, did Smilin' Ted hastily scribble thusly...
|
|dghost wrote:
|
|>I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large can
|>a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"
|
|Wouldn't that be better phrased as "How *small* can a man's penis be before he
|stops being taken seriously"?

A mans penis is (normally) hidden in the privacy of his own underpants...
So the question is irrelevant. No-one is taken seriously when they're in the
nude.
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Message no. 69
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:45:18 +0100
And verily, did Jett hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Smilin' Ted wrote:
|>
|> In a message dated 7/19/98 9:51:51 PM, Jett wrote:
|>
|> >o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie them
|> >in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
|> >shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~
|>
|> You from the UK, Jett? That's the only place I've heard that one....
|>
|> Smilin' Ted
|
|Nope. USA all the way!

Or course. In britian it's "Do your TITS hang low...."

:)
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Message no. 70
From: "Jonny D. Robinson" <OracleBlur@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:01:09 EDT
Our good buddy D. Ghost sez:

> On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:32:18 -0400 MC23 <mc23@**********.COM> writes:
> >Once upon a time, Smilin' Ted wrote;
> >>In a message dated 7/19/98 9:51:51 PM, Jett wrote:
> >>
> >>>o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie
> them
> >>>in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
> >>>shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~
>
> >>You from the UK, Jett? That's the only place I've heard that one....
>
> > I've heard it before but it was Balls.
> >
> >-MC "I'll dip my balls in it" 23-
>
> I think the original is ears ...
>
> D.Ghost (who heard all three versions before he joined the list ... :)

I think I have too...but I doubt the original is ears...it was probably balls

-Robinson
Who heard the "ears" varient on "Tiny Toons," and figured that it also
applied
to a more raunchy subject
Message no. 71
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:06:56 +0000
> >"How big can a woman's breasts be before she stops being taken
> >seriously?"
> >(you can answer in 199x or 205x as you wish :)
>
> More than a handful. I have been told by several guys that they
> consider more than a handful a waste, so, the general indication from
...
> "masculine" appearance of small breasted women. But then, when one
> considers how many US women are having implants - and then complaining
> about them later because of health problems, hardness, discomfort it
> begs the question regarding the mentality of women who feel they have to
> pander to the desires of the male population. The bullshit advertising

An important point you didn't mention with the implants is the loss
of sensitivity. (although that may be in the "hardness"
category...I've never had breasts so I'm not up on how that would
feel.) From what I've read, breast implants seriously reduce the
sensitivity of the breast, which means they are truly done only for
show...

> regarding increased confidence should be reworded to say "increased male
> attention". Bog boobs attract males - less so in the UK where the

bog boobs? Oh, _big_. True. but what kind of males....It's the
whole quality vs. quantity argument again. :)

> variety. And I do not for one minute believe it has anything to do with
> Erik's childbearing comments. (sorry Erik).

I have a friend who argues that the attraction is towards a
perception of health (for childbearing reasons)...And this perception
can be skewed by media heavily. He points to several societies that
have extreme trends in "attractive" women. (binding feet, corsets
until you can barely breathe, hanging heavy objects to create earlobs
that hang to your shoulders...) I don't agree with his arguments,
but his evidence seems to suggest there is _some_ central theme to
all of these.

Keeping this in an SR theme...Has anyone introduced an "extremity"
fashion symbol in their SR worlds? I had a recent case where I
introduced "bird suits" (which I stole from some SF author), which
are skin-tight suits made of very tiny curled fabrics...which,
depending on your body temperature, would uncurl (allowing
"breathing") or curl (creating insulation). As a side effect, you
end up wearing a full-body skin-tight suit. I had it in my world as
a bit of a fashion fad for a while (as well as generating a few runs
in the fashion world). While my proudly chauvanistic runners loved
the idea of women in these outfits, they had a bit more trouble
adjusting to men in them...which their Johnsons were half the time
(although most johnsons didn't wear them).

> In my experience, anything above 34B will reduce the reception a female
> receives from males from conversational to leching.

I'll agree with someone else's comments (I forget who), which has to
do with how "prominent" the breasts are. I really don't tend to
notice the breasts of women I talk to, particularly my friends, but
there has been the occasional person with whom I have to stare at
their hair to avoid seeming like I'm looking at their breasts.. Very
uncomfortable.

> >I suppose a similar question could be asked about men ... "How large can
> >a man's penis be before he stops being taken seriously?"

Nope. The question is "How large does a man have to consider his
penis to be before he takes himself seriously."

> This is more psychological for the males. There is a lot of surgery in
> the US at the moment regarding penile extension, especially in Hollywood

Ow. OW. <face wrenches up in sympathy>

> especially during periods of sporting events. God help any male that
> thinks football or any other game is more important than I am, he'll be
> walking the plank much sooner than he may realise. I can't think of
> anything worse than the sports addict couch potato who's existence fails
> to project beyond the field/tv match. If one finds a nice guy who has a
> life beyond football/baseball/whatever, and isn't just an ego bound
> slob, then who gives a damn how big his dick is. Of course, stamina and
> the ability to last longer than a couple of minutes would be nice.
> <smirk>

Hmm, Blaze doesn't seem to be the sports fan type.... :)

-=SwiftOne=-
"yes dear..."
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 72
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:21:33 +0000
> A mans penis is (normally) hidden in the privacy of his own underpants...
> So the question is irrelevant. No-one is taken seriously when they're in the
> nude.

Hmmm, good SR run idea...

infiltrate a nudist colony....


-=SwiftOne=-
PC:"I draw my Manhunter"
GM:"Okay....from WHERE?"
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 73
From: Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:19:31 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-20 01:51:51 EDT, Jett writes:

> o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie them
> in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
> shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~


Damn, I thought I was the only one that learned that song when they were
little!
The lyrics were slightly different, but....

Damn, my family is full of wackos....

Mgkelly
Message no. 74
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:35:52 -0500
On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Smilin' Ted wrote:
> In a message dated 7/19/98 9:51:51 PM, Jett wrote:
> >o/~ Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie them
> >in a knot, can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw 'em over your
> >shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your boobs hang loow? o/~
> You from the UK, Jett? That's the only place I've heard that one....

Well I was taught the "Do your ears hang long" version back in 3rd grade
and by my teacher no less. We also had a secound verse that went
something like this "Do your ears hang high? Do they reach up to the
Sky?....." For us at the time it was just a stupid nonsence song that our
tearch loved to sing each week even though she couldnt carry a tune in a
bucket.

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com
Message no. 75
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:22:35 -0400
On-topic Adam, I promise.

Okay, first the question of penis size. The penis is what makes men a man.
It's the outward visible sign/symbol of our masculinity. Therefor there
is the mistaken impression, especially amongst teens, that the bigger the
penis, the more manly the man. It's got less to do with what we think
women will like than with our own feelings of self-worth and masculinity.

Which is why now there is the almost "grey market" penile enlargement
clinics and procedures. From what I understand, the most common version of
this involves the cutting of a ligament that really only makes the penis
look larger; no actual size is gained. Done wrong though, and impotence
can occur.

Going on to 205X and cyberware/bioware, there is almost certainly a market
for this sort of thing. A cybernetic penis? Don't see it, except as a
unique and heavily personalized piece of cyberware. I don't see many men
willing to permanently remove their penis; although the story of the CZ
with the cyberpenis did remind me of that novelty song from a few years
ago, "Detachable Penis"; could have a combat penis, a penis for sex, a
penis for everyday,... A bioware penile enhancement? Almost certainly.
If 205X medicine can implant extra wrinkles on the brain and widen neural
pathways, they can surely enlarge an existing penis. And they can almost
certainly create a whole new fully functional penis for those that are in
need (men who no longer have their penis, for whatever reason, and for
female to male transexuals).

Now onto women. My own preference aside, large breasts do tend to generate
attention. And regardless of size, flaunting of breasts and cleavage via
posture and clothing also attracts attention. And many women aren't happy
with their breasts. If they are small, they wish they were larger. If
they were big, they wish they were smaller. And some are willing to pay a
surgeon to make those changes. You can argue if that is a product of
societal pressure or if it's a mostly normal and common problem many women
have with their body self image, but that's really another discussion.

I'm sure that there are bioware enhancements for breasts, just as there
surely are for penises. I don't see much in the way of cybernetics, as the
addition of nearly anything to a breast will cause it to look different
(silicon gel implants for example). But I'm sure by 205X there are bioware
procedures that can safely enlarge breasts and have them at least feel, to
both parties, like original issue breasts.

Someone brought up replacement uteruses. Probably bioware; possibly even
fertile. Eggs from another woman could be implanted, possibly; at least
for a potential short term solution. Or using advanced (and expensive)
procedures, eggs with the person's own DNA could possibly be created, which
could be nearly as real/natural as a woman's own. And I'm sure the
implanted uterus/vagina could be very nearly as real as a natural one. End
result?

End result? Given a large amount of nuyen, it should be possible for a man
or women to change their sex and not have anybody be able to tell that they
weren't born that way. As I've said elsewhere, potentially a very
interesting "Dark Secret" flaw for a PC...

One cybernetic oddity I recall from CP2020 (aside from the Mister Studd
and, what was it, the Midnight Mistress? implants) was the female cyberlegs
that had essentially high-heels built right into the cyberlegs, for that
shape and curve that normal cyberlegs almost certainly lack. Certainly
potentially possible in Shadowrun also.

For the most part, I think this discussion has little direct impact on the
actual game of Shadowrun, but it is something that is lurking in the
background as the sort of grimy details that are the backdrop of Shadowrun.

Done maturely and creatively, I think that there could, however, be some
absolutely fascinating and fun characters and shadowruns.

>"Hey LOOK!!!, It's a Carebear!!!" <j/k><G>

Heh. This is a Carebear that notices every curve of a woman, not just the
ones contained (or not) in a bra. Gimme a mile long set of legs attached
to a nice tight butt anyday...oh wait, sorry, um, well, I'm out of on-topic
for now.

Erik J.


http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
The Reality Check for a Fictional World
Message no. 76
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:52:16 -0400
> Going on to 205X and cyberware/bioware, there is almost certainly a
> market
> for this sort of thing. A cybernetic penis? Don't see it, except as
> a
> unique and heavily personalized piece of cyberware. I don't see many
> men
> willing to permanently remove their penis; although the story of the
> CZ
> with the cyberpenis did remind me of that novelty song from a few
> years
> ago, "Detachable Penis"; could have a combat penis, a penis for sex, a
> penis for everyday,... A bioware penile enhancement? Almost
> certainly.
> If 205X medicine can implant extra wrinkles on the brain and widen
> neural
> pathways, they can surely enlarge an existing penis. And they can
> almost
> certainly create a whole new fully functional penis for those that are
> in
> need (men who no longer have their penis, for whatever reason, and for
> female to male transexuals).
>
While I agree that there would be a pretty damn small
market for folks replacing them, I can see augmentation. Ribs, studs,
things of this nature. With the right bio/cyberware you could
theoretically increase the sensory experience of sex. Adding more nerve
cells and so forth. Not to mention the whole anti-circumcision crowd.
Plus you can have on command things. Instant erection.
It gets up regardless of how you feel (just make sure your girlfriend
doesn't get a hold of the remote). No more impotence. Size increase, no
doubt. Perhaps even variable lengths. Silicon or similar gel that
increases the length or width on demand?

All this is a bit twisted and I can't see ME doing it,
but I don't understand eyebrow rings either.

> Now onto women. My own preference aside, large breasts do tend to
> generate
> attention. And regardless of size, flaunting of breasts and cleavage
> via
> posture and clothing also attracts attention. And many women aren't
> happy
> with their breasts. If they are small, they wish they were larger.
> If
> they were big, they wish they were smaller. And some are willing to
> pay a
> surgeon to make those changes. You can argue if that is a product of
> societal pressure or if it's a mostly normal and common problem many
> women
> have with their body self image, but that's really another discussion.
>
I imagine the "boob job" would be adjustable.
(Dial-a-bust?) You can choose how much to increase the size on any given
occasion. In this amount of time I imagine it wouldn't cost any more and
if you don't like the C cup try a B, or a D. Even if not on command to
the user I could see this being something the implant could do with the
doctor's input (via radio or IR again, hang on to that remote).

<snip>

Basically there will always be someone who wants
something odd done to sensitive parts of their body. Occasionally the
rest of the world gets something useful out of it.
Message no. 77
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:20:40 -0500
On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Erik Jameson wrote:

> On-topic Adam, I promise.
<snip
> A bioware penile enhancement? Almost certainly. If 205X medicine can
> implant extra wrinkles on the brain and widen neural pathways, they can
> surely enlarge an existing penis. And they can almost certainly create
> a whole new fully functional penis for those that are in need (men who
> no longer have their penis, for whatever reason, and for female to male
> transexuals).
<snip>
> I'm sure that there are bioware enhancements for breasts, just as there
> surely are for penises. I don't see much in the way of cybernetics, as the
> addition of nearly anything to a breast will cause it to look different
> (silicon gel implants for example). But I'm sure by 205X there are bioware
> procedures that can safely enlarge breasts and have them at least feel, to
> both parties, like original issue breasts.

Those are both fairly well thought out ideas on the Bioware implants. I
know that a bioware enhanced penis has shown up in atleast one of the
novels. I believe it was in "Who hunts the Hunter" that one of the corp
managers boosts his self image with genital implants among other things. I
also think that his live in whores had bioware enhanced bodies. Its been
a while since i read that book(not worth re-reading IMO) so i cant rember
details.

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com
Message no. 78
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:02 -0400
Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
> On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:01:34 -0400 Jett <zmjett@*********.COM> writes:
> <SNIP>
> >*Jett promptly flees to her lair deep underground, far below Gurth's
> >stairs. Her way of technically getting under them...
> >
> >
> >--Jett
> <SNIP Sig>
>
> Wait ... does that mean that technically Gurth's on top? ... ;)
>
> *Doesn't go anywhere* (prefers to just sit and watch the fish fly ...)
>
> D.Ghost (Who really should get his mind up to the gutters;)
> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
> o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`


That's it. Now you die! *Loading her fully automatic carp-gun: 1000
rounds a minute...* Here, kitty kitty...

--Jett

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occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

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time. I just make the walls a little more aggressive about it!"
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Message no. 79
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:07:07 -0400
bryan.covington@****.COM wrote:
>
> > Going on to 205X and cyberware/bioware, there is almost certainly a
> > market
> > for this sort of thing. A cybernetic penis? Don't see it, except as
> > a
> > unique and heavily personalized piece of cyberware. I don't see many
> > men
> > willing to permanently remove their penis; although the story of the
> > CZ
> > with the cyberpenis did remind me of that novelty song from a few
> > years
> > ago, "Detachable Penis"; could have a combat penis, a penis for sex, a
> > penis for everyday,... A bioware penile enhancement? Almost
> > certainly.
> > If 205X medicine can implant extra wrinkles on the brain and widen
> > neural
> > pathways, they can surely enlarge an existing penis. And they can
> > almost
> > certainly create a whole new fully functional penis for those that are
> > in
> > need (men who no longer have their penis, for whatever reason, and for
> > female to male transexuals).
> >
> While I agree that there would be a pretty damn small
> market for folks replacing them, I can see augmentation. Ribs, studs,
> things of this nature. With the right bio/cyberware you could
> theoretically increase the sensory experience of sex. Adding more nerve
> cells and so forth. Not to mention the whole anti-circumcision crowd.
> Plus you can have on command things. Instant erection.
> It gets up regardless of how you feel (just make sure your girlfriend
> doesn't get a hold of the remote). No more impotence. Size increase, no
> doubt. Perhaps even variable lengths. Silicon or similar gel that
> increases the length or width on demand?
>
> All this is a bit twisted and I can't see ME doing it,
> but I don't understand eyebrow rings either.
>
> > Now onto women. My own preference aside, large breasts do tend to
> > generate
> > attention. And regardless of size, flaunting of breasts and cleavage
> > via
> > posture and clothing also attracts attention. And many women aren't
> > happy
> > with their breasts. If they are small, they wish they were larger.
> > If
> > they were big, they wish they were smaller. And some are willing to
> > pay a
> > surgeon to make those changes. You can argue if that is a product of
> > societal pressure or if it's a mostly normal and common problem many
> > women
> > have with their body self image, but that's really another discussion.
> >
> I imagine the "boob job" would be adjustable.
> (Dial-a-bust?) You can choose how much to increase the size on any given
> occasion. In this amount of time I imagine it wouldn't cost any more and
> if you don't like the C cup try a B, or a D. Even if not on command to
> the user I could see this being something the implant could do with the
> doctor's input (via radio or IR again, hang on to that remote).
>

ya know going along with those radio controlled rigs, what would happen
if the wrong person got their hands on it. Hell i think it would cause
major damage to internal organs if the adjustable breasts and penis
exploded!
--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 80
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:45:55 -0300
At 16:07 18/07/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:40:57 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
>writes:
>>In a message dated 7/18/1998 2:26:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>>dghost@****.COM writes:
>>> >If one finds a nice guy who has a
>>> >life beyond football/baseball/whatever, and isn't just an ego bound
>>> >slob, then who gives a damn how big his dick is. Of course, stamina
>and
>>> >the ability to last longer than a couple of minutes would be nice.
>>> ><smirk>
>>> >Blaze
>
>>> <SNIP Sig>
>>> So in conclusion, ditch the Mr. Studd implant and get Synthcardium :)
>
>>Well, I can imagine that would help, but so would Symbiotes (quick
>>recovery
>>time, to keep going and going and going... ;)
>>
>>-K
>
>So would orthoskin (+level to touch per percept) ... assuming orthoskin
>is full-body ... :)

Orthoskin would make it... "less good" for the user, I guess. It hinders
your sense of touch...

Bira
Message no. 81
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:05:30 -0300
>When I heard this on Politically Incorrect, I thought of these two things
>and thought the list might benefit from a little discusion about this as
>far as how large genitalia should be RPed basically ... it is not that OT
>since it can easily be applied to SR ... :)


Speaking of wich, what about all those folks (male and female) who get a
cybertorso? It's basically a shell that replaces the ribs and encloses the
whole
torso... I think it would bake a bit impossible to have sexual intercourse
after that...

Bira
Message no. 82
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:08:07 -0300
At 14:50 19/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Mike Bobroff wrote:
>>
>
>Reason that I regret ever starting that run? I was playing my centaur
>character Reit. Half horse, half man. It was NOT pretty, boys and girls.
>
>--Jett

ROFL(and all those other letter too)...

Bira
Message no. 83
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:25:01 -0400
At 03:52 PM 7/20/98 -0400, you wrote:

> While I agree that there would be a pretty damn small
>market for folks replacing them, I can see augmentation. Ribs, studs,
>things of this nature.

That honestly never occurred to me. But I suppose that the same guys that
go and get Prince Alberts and the women that get their privates pierced
could be the same sorts of things, just cybernetically.

>With the right bio/cyberware you could
>theoretically increase the sensory experience of sex. Adding more nerve
>cells and so forth. Not to mention the whole anti-circumcision crowd.

Ooh, yeah, I can see that. Maybe even full mental control over
orgasm/ejaculation. The ability to orgasm only upon command would be
attractive to more guys than just pornosim stars.

> All this is a bit twisted and I can't see ME doing it,
>but I don't understand eyebrow rings either.

I can see some piercings, and belly button rings on some women are
unbelievably hot, but eyebrow rings, clit rings and Prince Alberts are
beyond my comprehension.

> I imagine the "boob job" would be adjustable.
>(Dial-a-bust?) You can choose how much to increase the size on any given
>occasion. In this amount of time I imagine it wouldn't cost any more and
>if you don't like the C cup try a B, or a D. Even if not on command to
>the user I could see this being something the implant could do with the
>doctor's input (via radio or IR again, hang on to that remote).

Would have to be fully cybernetic though; I can't see a bioware version of
the Dial-a-bust. And honestly, I would much rather mess about with a
small, real breast than a large, cybernetic one.

> Basically there will always be someone who wants
>something odd done to sensitive parts of their body. Occasionally the
>rest of the world gets something useful out of it.

True enough.

Erik J.


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Message no. 84
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:37:50 -0400
Erik Jameson wrote:

>
> > All this is a bit twisted and I can't see ME doing it,
> >but I don't understand eyebrow rings either.
>
> I can see some piercings, and belly button rings on some women are
> unbelievably hot, but eyebrow rings, clit rings and Prince Alberts are
> beyond my comprehension.

I've got an eyebrow ring. Mostly because I like the way it looks, and
all things considered it's not as "odd" as a tongue, lip, or nose
piercing. I mean, it's cleaner, since it doesn't involve an orifice. And
dammit, I think it looks cool! Plus, it gives me a place to hang my keys
when I'm in the shower. ':) ((Smiley with eyebrow ring!))
As for clitoral piercings...well...I'll e-mail you privately if you want
the details, but let's just say the PA and that increase sexual
stimulation.

--Jett, the pierce-mistress!

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occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

"Crushed to death IS natural. Walls fall on people and kill them all the
time. I just make the walls a little more aggressive about it!"
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Message no. 85
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:39:29 +1000
Spike writes:
> Or course. In britian it's "Do your TITS hang low...."

That's _teats_ (it's pronouced 'tits', but the spelling is important. Only
us iggnerant colonials don't care about good spelling and gramma)

--
Duct tape is like the Force: There's a Light side, a Dark side, and it binds
the Universe together.
Robert Watkins -- robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 86
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:11:31 +0000
and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 20 Jul 98 at 15:22:

> On-topic Adam, I promise.

I didn't think it would be possible to bring this thread back from
the corny jokes, funny songs and the hidden references that the
poster's gear is in perfect working order and big. Nice job Erik!

> penis for everyday,... A bioware penile enhancement? Almost certainly.
> If 205X medicine can implant extra wrinkles on the brain and widen neural
> pathways, they can surely enlarge an existing penis. And they can almost
> certainly create a whole new fully functional penis for those that are in
> need (men who no longer have their penis, for whatever reason, and for
> female to male transexuals).

A little cyber control added to your natural penis that allows you to
control the erection and ejaculation. Seeing how many people nowadays
go for impotence medicines, there would be a definite market for that
(plus it would be ideal for all those male porn stars).
And a way to increase or decrease pleasure. as said before, orthoskin
reduces tactile sensations, but what about an operation that can
increase the strength of the pleasure centres. Turn it down during
normal day activities, but when the time is right, turn it all the
way up and hours of hedonistic pleasure are yours.

> (silicon gel implants for example). But I'm sure by 205X there are bioware
> procedures that can safely enlarge breasts and have them at least feel, to
> both parties, like original issue breasts.

What about build in bras? It could be possible to rid womankind of
one of their biggest pains (according to my wife) by adding internal
supports.

> And I'm sure the implanted uterus/vagina could be very nearly as
> real as a natural one.

One of many possibilities is a clitoris re-alignment. Place it inside
a woman's vagina instead of on the outside and a woman is far more
likelier to get an orgasm as a result of penetration. Or a device
similar to a man's cybercontrol unit to control muscle contractions,
fluids, and sensitivity. I see also a big market for a device that
would replace contraception devices, from devices that can switch a
woman's fertility on and off, thereby eliminating menstruation,
unless you're trying for a baby, to a simple antibiotic/sperm
killing fluid sack that's added to either the man's or the woman's
genitals.

> End result? Given a large amount of nuyen, it should be possible for a man
> or women to change their sex and not have anybody be able to tell that they
> weren't born that way. As I've said elsewhere, potentially a very
> interesting "Dark Secret" flaw for a PC...

Hmm, good idea.

> For the most part, I think this discussion has little direct impact on the
> actual game of Shadowrun, but it is something that is lurking in the
> background as the sort of grimy details that are the backdrop of Shadowrun.

It could be just used to give characters more background, or simply
gadgets to buy that don't have any effect on game play, but do add to
the level of realism or detail.

There is a level of gadgets that could be added that have effect on
the game: genital defence. Read Snow Crash by Neill Stephenson, the
main female character has a thorn with a powerful narcotic build in
her vagina. With a little bit of imagination you can add a whole
range of modifications to that idea from poison, a scissor like
device (can you say outch?) to retractable needles in various
strategic places.

And with the amount of paranormal creatures around that can pose as
humanoids, I don't think that these defences would be just for
women. Just image ending up in bed with a shape changer or female
mantis spirit.... And judging from the general level of paranoia in
205X (undoubtingly enhanced by the body shops who sell these
things), I can see a fairly large market for this.

Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 87
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:03:40 +0100
And verily, did Robert Watkins hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Spike writes:
|> Or course. In britian it's "Do your TITS hang low...."
|
|That's _teats_ (it's pronouced 'tits', but the spelling is important. Only
|us iggnerant colonials don't care about good spelling and gramma)

Nope. It's spelled tits, as a derogatory term for female mamary glands...
:)

I should know... I live here...
--
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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Message no. 88
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:32:20 EDT
In a message dated 7/21/98 5:12:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chimerae@***.IE
writes:

> One of many possibilities is a clitoris re-alignment. Place it inside
> a woman's vagina instead of on the outside and a woman is far more
> likelier to get an orgasm as a result of penetration.

Orgasm for women is more an emotional thing than a mechanical thing. Just ask
Doctor Drew :)

> I see also a big market for a device that
> would replace contraception devices, from devices that can switch a
> woman's fertility on and off, thereby eliminating menstruation,

They have it today, its called DeproVera I believe. It is delivered in a shot
form 4 times a year.

-El Bandit
Message no. 89
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:55:41 -0400
M. Sean Martinez wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/21/98 5:12:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chimerae@***.IE
> writes:
>
> > One of many possibilities is a clitoris re-alignment. Place it inside
> > a woman's vagina instead of on the outside and a woman is far more
> > likelier to get an orgasm as a result of penetration.
>
> Orgasm for women is more an emotional thing than a mechanical thing. Just ask
> Doctor Drew :)
>
> > I see also a big market for a device that
> > would replace contraception devices, from devices that can switch a
> > woman's fertility on and off, thereby eliminating menstruation,
>
> They have it today, its called DeproVera I believe. It is delivered in a shot
> form 4 times a year.
>
Or its in pill form, its basically a way to end all traces of the egg
entering the uterus to form a zygote, kinda like having her tubes tied
without all the messy surgery. Once a woman stops using it she regains
her period after a prlonged time, too much of this stuff can cause a
woman to go sterile.
--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 90
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:36:50 -0400
Ubiratan P. Alberton wrote:
> Speaking of wich, what about all those folks (male and female) who get a
>cybertorso? It's basically a shell that replaces the ribs and encloses the
>whole
>torso... I think it would bake a bit impossible to have sexual intercourse
>after that...

Heh. Gotcha covered. Take a look at Lady Jestyr's page (how's she
doing, anyhow?), specifically the Cyber Foo-Foo...

http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr/sr/other.html

Hmm. She doesn't have the milspec version online - I'm going to have
to bug her about that... :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 91
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:03:42 -0400
At 08:37 PM 7/20/98 -0400, you wrote:

>> I can see some piercings, and belly button rings on some women are
>> unbelievably hot, but eyebrow rings, clit rings and Prince Alberts are
>> beyond my comprehension.
>
>I've got an eyebrow ring. Mostly because I like the way it looks, and
>all things considered it's not as "odd" as a tongue, lip, or nose
>piercing. I mean, it's cleaner, since it doesn't involve an orifice. And
>dammit, I think it looks cool! Plus, it gives me a place to hang my keys
>when I'm in the shower. ':) ((Smiley with eyebrow ring!))
>As for clitoral piercings...well...I'll e-mail you privately if you want
>the details, but let's just say the PA and that increase sexual
>stimulation.

Sorry to break it to you Jett, but while genital piercings will enhance
your sexual stimulation right now, it's a hard medical fact that five to
ten years down the line, you are going to encounter problems. The
clitoris, as I'm sure you're aware, is a densely packed bundle of nerves;
pierce it and you damage those nerves. I'm sorry, but there is a very real
and very solid chance that within five to ten years, you simply will not be
able to obtain *any* clitoral pleasure at all. So get all you pleasure in
now, seriously, because there's a strong possibility you may not be able to
get it later. About the only way I can see this not happening is if the
piercing didn't actually penetrate any nerves (pierced behind the
clitoris). This is, unfortunately, a very rare occurence.

And Prince Alberts cause problems of their own for men. I'd rather not pee
out of *two* holes and make a mess anytime I don't pee sitting down, which
is what happens after a while.

THAT'S why I simply don't understand nearly all genital piercings. A
tongue piercing is supposed to enhance oral sex, but there's risks inherent
to that procedure too (and why would straight guys get it, since it's
usually too far back to help them with women?).

Sorry.

Erik J.


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Message no. 92
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:04:48 -0400
At 10:11 AM 7/21/98 +0000, you wrote:
>> On-topic Adam, I promise.
>
>I didn't think it would be possible to bring this thread back from
>the corny jokes, funny songs and the hidden references that the
>poster's gear is in perfect working order and big. Nice job Erik!

Yeah, well, I'm sure some folks here and in RL think I'm absolutely no fun
at all, so that would explain it. ;-)

>> (silicon gel implants for example). But I'm sure by 205X there are bioware
>> procedures that can safely enlarge breasts and have them at least feel, to
>> both parties, like original issue breasts.
>
>What about build in bras? It could be possible to rid womankind of
>one of their biggest pains (according to my wife) by adding internal
>supports.

OOOH!! That, I'm sure, would rock for any woman with larger breasts.
Cybernetic underwires or something; essentially use the same load-bearing
info and technology from bridge and apply it to the female breast. Hell,
there's a new bra just hitting the market that does the same exact thing,
except it's obviously not cybernetic.

>> And I'm sure the implanted uterus/vagina could be very nearly as
>> real as a natural one.
>
>One of many possibilities is a clitoris re-alignment. Place it inside
>a woman's vagina instead of on the outside and a woman is far more
>likelier to get an orgasm as a result of penetration

That should work; or perhaps instead *create* a whole new G-Spot or
clitoris inside the vaginal canal, or perhaps implant additional pleasure
receptors within the vagina. And of course, the possibility of enhanced
muscular control too.

Here's a sideways thought, though on the same track. I'd think that
homosexual men might do that same sort of procedure, but anally. Okay, I
know that's bothersome to some folks on RN, but it honestly makes a lot of
sense to me.

>Or a device
>similar to a man's cybercontrol unit to control muscle contractions,
>fluids, and sensitivity. I see also a big market for a device that
>would replace contraception devices, from devices that can switch a
>woman's fertility on and off, thereby eliminating menstruation,
>unless you're trying for a baby, to a simple antibiotic/sperm
>killing fluid sack that's added to either the man's or the woman's
>genitals.

Almost certainly, I can't believe I forgot to include those. I'm sure you
could have several varieties of both bioware and cyberware fertility
control devices for both men and women.

>It could be just used to give characters more background, or simply
>gadgets to buy that don't have any effect on game play, but do add to
>the level of realism or detail.

Gadgets to buy? Not even in my game do the players buy sex toys or
implants...at least not yet... ;-)

>There is a level of gadgets that could be added that have effect on
>the game: genital defence. Read Snow Crash by Neill Stephenson, the
>main female character has a thorn with a powerful narcotic build in
>her vagina. With a little bit of imagination you can add a whole
>range of modifications to that idea from poison, a scissor like
>device (can you say outch?) to retractable needles in various
>strategic places.

Ow, please, stop, that hurts!! Potentially a very potent assassination
tool though, and one hell of a last ditch defense against rape. And of
course, I'm sure custom variation on the CP2020 cybersnake concept could be
created in SR.

>And with the amount of paranormal creatures around that can pose as
>humanoids, I don't think that these defences would be just for
>women. Just image ending up in bed with a shape changer or female
>mantis spirit.... And judging from the general level of paranoia in
>205X (undoubtingly enhanced by the body shops who sell these
>things), I can see a fairly large market for this.

A large market? Don't know about that. I could however see any large city
such as Seattle having at least several cyber-sex boutiques in which
custom, sex-related, cyberware and bioware could be designed and implanted.
I'd rule personally that all such bioware is cultured and all such
cyberware is beta-grade (except maybe fertility controls, which would be
alpha I think), but the shops would be a lot easier to find. Couldn't look
them up in a phone book probably, but with a good enough Etiquette
(Corporate) or Etiquette (Luxury Living) (or something) you'd know who to
ask and where to go. Should be notably easier than finding a beta-grade
clinic though.

I think I'll have to write all this stuff up and put in on my site. Okay,
it's toys, which I've avoided, but they are adult toys, not just more
bloody guns.

Erik J.


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Message no. 93
From: Bruce Lynch <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:08:37 -0500
> Re: Taking Women Seriously (Brett Borger , Mon 5:21)
>
> > A mans penis is (normally) hidden in the privacy of his own underpants...
> > So the question is irrelevant. No-one is taken seriously when they're in the
> > nude.
>
> Hmmm, good SR run idea...
>
> infiltrate a nudist colony....

Oh yaeh, SURE. We kept track of some of our characters scars for a
while- man, shadowrunners get UGlY when nekid.

Mongoose
Message no. 94
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:41:17 +0000
and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 21 Jul 98 at 13:04:

[internal bra's]
> OOOH!! That, I'm sure, would rock for any woman with larger breasts.
> Cybernetic underwires or something; essentially use the same load-bearing
> info and technology from bridge and apply it to the female breast. Hell,
> there's a new bra just hitting the market that does the same exact thing,
> except it's obviously not cybernetic.

I know, I watched a series of programs a couple of weeks back called
"Designs on your..."
They asked two top designers to take a look at objects that haven't
been changed for ages in co-operation with a company and then re-design
it. They had the bra, which was a success and was/is going to get
produced; the loo for which the new designs were completely blocked
by the company's conservatism, and finally the car in which the
designers managed to get about half their ideas across. Excellent
show.

> Here's a sideways thought, though on the same track. I'd think that
> homosexual men might do that same sort of procedure, but anally. Okay, I
> know that's bothersome to some folks on RN, but it honestly makes a lot of
> sense to me.

So is adding the little poison needle or scissor-device there if your
male runner gets send to jail...

> >It could be just used to give characters more background, or simply
> >gadgets to buy that don't have any effect on game play, but do add to
> >the level of realism or detail.
>
> Gadgets to buy? Not even in my game do the players buy sex toys or
> implants...at least not yet... ;-)

Why not? I brought it up because they way most runners are equipped
they're nothing more than a small arsenal of weaponry, armour and
other practical stuff. It wouldn't hurt to add a personal touch by
having them buy some stuff, not just sex related, that's unlikely to
have any game effect at all.

[market for defensive genital weaponry]
Well that idea was based on a few conceptions I have about live in
SR. I think that the level of crime in 205X is much higher than it is
now, and more brutal. So it would make sense to at least have as
many self-defence options as possible.

And to the guys who wrote about the current day pill or injection
that can stop fertility: I knew those existed, but I was more
interested in a device that: a. didn't use chemicals; b. made you able
to control your fertility fairly easily by for instance having a
cyber controlled clamp device for the tubes that transport the egg to
the uterus.

Karina & Martin Steffens
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Message no. 95
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:57:05 -0400
At 09:41 AM 7/22/98 +0000, you wrote:

>> Here's a sideways thought, though on the same track. I'd think that
>> homosexual men might do that same sort of procedure, but anally. Okay, I
>> know that's bothersome to some folks on RN, but it honestly makes a lot of
>> sense to me.
>
>So is adding the little poison needle or scissor-device there if your
>male runner gets send to jail...

Wow. The ultimate in homophobia.

>> Gadgets to buy? Not even in my game do the players buy sex toys or
>> implants...at least not yet... ;-)
>
>Why not? I brought it up because they way most runners are equipped
>they're nothing more than a small arsenal of weaponry, armour and
>other practical stuff. It wouldn't hurt to add a personal touch by
>having them buy some stuff, not just sex related, that's unlikely to
>have any game effect at all.

Well, partly because I don't currently have very experienced players, so
I'm bringing rules and gadgets along slowly. Don't want to overwhelm them
with nearly a decade of Shadowrun stuff.

I seem to recall hearing that SR3 will include a fair amount of normal,
non-shadowrunning, type gear; I'm looking forward to that. And eventually,
I'll expose the current players to these cybernetic sex things.

>[market for defensive genital weaponry]
>Well that idea was based on a few conceptions I have about live in
>SR. I think that the level of crime in 205X is much higher than it is
>now, and more brutal. So it would make sense to at least have as
>many self-defence options as possible.

At least partially true. Though I really think it would take some serious
paranoia for anyone to have defensive genital weaponry. Either that or a
specialized assassin...

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Message no. 96
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:34:04 +0000
and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 22 Jul 98 at 13:57:

> >So is adding the little poison needle or scissor-device there if your
> >male runner gets send to jail...
>
> Wow. The ultimate in homophobia.

Well don't a lot of males think that there's a serious risk of
getting raped if they get send to jail?

[useless gadgets]
> Well, partly because I don't currently have very experienced players, so
> I'm bringing rules and gadgets along slowly. Don't want to overwhelm them
> with nearly a decade of Shadowrun stuff.
> I seem to recall hearing that SR3 will include a fair amount of normal,
> non-shadowrunning, type gear; I'm looking forward to that. And eventually,
> I'll expose the current players to these cybernetic sex things.

Me too, I was in the process of compiling a list of useless gadgets
and make it into a netbook (might take a while, I'm fairly busy), so
I'm kind of curious what sort of gear they've added.
It does make good sense to keep the gear level down for beginning
players.

> >[market for defensive genital weaponry]
> At least partially true. Though I really think it would take some serious
> paranoia for anyone to have defensive genital weaponry. Either that or a
> specialized assassin...

Well considering that classes for female self defence are filled to
the brim nowadays, I just extrapolated from that point and thought of
something that might add to that feeling of being in control that
those classes tend to give you. Plus the way I see the thorn / needle
it is a fairly simple and cheap operation to get one.

Karina & Martin Steffens
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Message no. 97
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:44:24 -0400
> > >So is adding the little poison needle or scissor-device there if
> your
> > >male runner gets send to jail...
> >
> > Wow. The ultimate in homophobia.
>
> Well don't a lot of males think that there's a serious risk of
> getting raped if they get send to jail?
>
One of the main characters in Neil Stevenson's "Snow
Crash" had the vaginal version of this. It was called a "Dentada" I
believe. She forgot to remove it when the dude she was hot for tried to
get it on she shot all kinds of sedatives into his willy. It was rather
amusing since she just thought he was really fast. He was pissed, when
he woke up anyway.
Message no. 98
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:15:20 -0400
At 12:34 PM 7/23/98 +0000, you wrote:
>and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 22 Jul 98 at 13:57:
>
>> >So is adding the little poison needle or scissor-device there if your
>> >male runner gets send to jail...
>>
>> Wow. The ultimate in homophobia.
>
>Well don't a lot of males think that there's a serious risk of
>getting raped if they get send to jail?

True. And it probably does happen, though I'm not sure it's as common as
some of us fear. But never having been to prison, I wouldn't actually
know. Besides, I strongly suspect that after a few years inside, with no
women, it becomes a viable alternative for many normally ramrod straight
men. But I can only suppose.

>> >[market for defensive genital weaponry]
>> At least partially true. Though I really think it would take some serious
>> paranoia for anyone to have defensive genital weaponry. Either that or a
>> specialized assassin...
>
>Well considering that classes for female self defence are filled to
>the brim nowadays, I just extrapolated from that point and thought of
>something that might add to that feeling of being in control that
>those classes tend to give you. Plus the way I see the thorn / needle
>it is a fairly simple and cheap operation to get one.

Well, it's one thing to buy a can of pepper spray or to take some martial
arts classes. It's something else entirely to get a thorn or something
implanted in you. To me, that's a huge leap in fear. One says I want to
be prepared in case it happens. The other says it will happen and I'm
gonna kill the SOB.

Hmmmmm...how about this for an anti-rape gadget: Forcibly closes the
vaginal and/or anal openings. Would have to have an on/off trigger,
probably mental. Could potentially be either bioware or cyberware. And
would close the openings so tight it could crush things like glass if
inside and simply won't allow penetration to occur.

Wow. A cybernetic chastity belt perhaps? Controlled by a teenage girls
parents? Ooooh...this has potential...I bet a version could be adapted for
men too...

Erik J.


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Message no. 99
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:13:31 -0400
> >Well considering that classes for female self defence are filled to
> >the brim nowadays, I just extrapolated from that point and thought of
> >something that might add to that feeling of being in control that
> >those classes tend to give you. Plus the way I see the thorn / needle
> >it is a fairly simple and cheap operation to get one.
>
> Well, it's one thing to buy a can of pepper spray or to take some
> martial
> arts classes. It's something else entirely to get a thorn or
> something
> implanted in you. To me, that's a huge leap in fear. One says I want
> to
> be prepared in case it happens. The other says it will happen and I'm
> gonna kill the SOB.
>
I'm gonna agree here. I think as players and GM's we
tend to overlook the trauma of having parts added to or removed from you
body. When your arm gets chopped off that's one thing but just from
fear? That's a serious emotional problem.

> Hmmmmm...how about this for an anti-rape gadget: Forcibly closes the
> vaginal and/or anal openings. Would have to have an on/off trigger,
> probably mental. Could potentially be either bioware or cyberware.
> And
> would close the openings so tight it could crush things like glass if
> inside and simply won't allow penetration to occur.
>
> Wow. A cybernetic chastity belt perhaps? Controlled by a teenage
> girls
>
You think people have messed up sexual attitudes
now...what till these girls start breedin'.

> parents? Ooooh...this has potential...I bet a version could be
> adapted for
> men too...
>
Oh great cut off the blood flow so you can't get a
woody. That's healthy. I'd rather be a security guard ;).
Message no. 100
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:07:49 -0400
At 02:13 PM 7/23/98 -0400, you wrote:

> I'm gonna agree here. I think as players and GM's we
>tend to overlook the trauma of having parts added to or removed from you
>body. When your arm gets chopped off that's one thing but just from
>fear? That's a serious emotional problem.

Wow, agreement. <smirk>

Seriously, so many of our PCs simply lop off their arms and have holes
drilled in their heads to implant cyberware. Just think of the mental
state required to do that. Sure, a significant portion of it is a
competitive advantage in the business of the shadows. But it takes a
different sort of mind frame to chop off a limb and have it replaced with
metal and plastic, competitive advantage or no. Face it, our shadowrunners
are probably seriously messed up folks.

And to go so far as to do that simply because of a fear, a fear of
something that *may* never happen? That's not fear, that's a serious phobia.

>> Wow. A cybernetic chastity belt perhaps? Controlled by a teenage
>> girls
>>
> You think people have messed up sexual attitudes
>now...what till these girls start breedin'.

Hmmm...true. Probably would have to install fertility controls along with
a cybernetic chastity belt so her activities *don't* mean breedin'...or at
least install it when the cyberbelt is removed.

>> parents? Ooooh...this has potential...I bet a version could be
>> adapted for
>> men too...
>>
> Oh great cut off the blood flow so you can't get a
>woody. That's healthy. I'd rather be a security guard ;).

Heh. A total cut off wouldn't be good, obviously. I'm pretty sure that
arousal is a complex chemical/hormonal occurence. Remove or alter that
hormone mix and you might be able to make someone unable to be aroused. Or
failing that (if my biology is wrong) you could probably install something
that allows blood to escape from the penis instead of getting trapped there
and allowing it to become erect. Since an erection occurs, mechanically
anyway, when blood flow is trapped inside the penis, if you can prevent it
from being trapped, no erection.

Cybernetically controlled impotence. I just somehow see this as a tool
used by really cruel and domineering parents (some spouses...) and by some
corporations (do this job and we'll let you get a stiffy again...).

Ooh. Instead of installing cortex bombs in people to make them obedient,
install impotence controls. For *some* people, that would be at least as
effective. "Keep doing what we tell you and you can keep your wood.
Disobey, and well, Mr. Happy won't ever be again."

That's kinda nasty if I do say so myself.

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Message no. 101
From: Pete Wilson <piatro@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:31:09 -0600
Bryan Wrote:

> Oh great cut off the blood flow so you can't get a
>woody. That's healthy. I'd rather be a security guard ;).

You've go it backwards. This mod would control the blood on its way out.
No blood buildup, no woody.


Piatro
Message no. 102
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:06:15 -0400
Erik Jameson wrote:
>
> At 12:34 PM 7/23/98 +0000, you wrote:
> >and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 22 Jul 98 at 13:57:
> >
> >> >So is adding the little poison needle or scissor-device there if your
> >> >male runner gets send to jail...
> >>
> >> Wow. The ultimate in homophobia.
> >
> >Well don't a lot of males think that there's a serious risk of
> >getting raped if they get send to jail?
>
> True. And it probably does happen, though I'm not sure it's as common as
> some of us fear. But never having been to prison, I wouldn't actually
> know. Besides, I strongly suspect that after a few years inside, with no
> women, it becomes a viable alternative for many normally ramrod straight
> men. But I can only suppose.

I work with a guy that was in the pen for 4 years, HUGE puerto Rican
(6'5" 285+) he got mad at a boss and pushed him started yelling comments
like "I Fucked guys like you in prison!"

shocked the piss outta me! (6'1" 180lbs) JAILBAIT! hehe


all I'm sayin' (1st hand experience doing a verrrry small stay in the
local jail) people will do what they have to do. Rape for men is mostly
a power trip. To most it's the most degrading thing that can be done to
someone. If you watch a nature movie it will show male monkeys perched
ontop and "hunching" other male monkeys to prover their prowess to the
pack.

--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 103
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:51:50 +0000
and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 23 Jul 98 at 13:15:

> >Well considering that classes for female self defence are filled to
> >the brim nowadays, I just extrapolated from that point and thought of
> >something that might add to that feeling of being in control that
> >those classes tend to give you. Plus the way I see the thorn / needle
> >it is a fairly simple and cheap operation to get one.
>
> Well, it's one thing to buy a can of pepper spray or to take some martial
> arts classes. It's something else entirely to get a thorn or something
> implanted in you. To me, that's a huge leap in fear. One says I want to
> be prepared in case it happens. The other says it will happen and I'm
> gonna kill the SOB.

Not exactly, my preference would be to use it with tranquilizer
drugs. you could of course just as easily get a finger tip
compartiment with a needle, but the thorn will have a 100% chance of
success (if it actually knocks out the rapist / target will depend on
the resistance test of course).

> Wow. A cybernetic chastity belt perhaps? Controlled by a teenage girls
> parents? Ooooh...this has potential...I bet a version could be adapted for
> men too...

Yep, take control of the sacral spinal nerves that take care of the
erection and there's no way the male can get an erection anymore,
untill you give control back to the body. The muscle contractor for
women would be dead easy and is a good idea. I once had a relation
with someone who had this condition without needing cyber, and there
was no way anything could happen...

Good idea Erik!

Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 104
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:51:50 +0000
and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 23 Jul 98 at 17:07:

> Cybernetically controlled impotence. I just somehow see this as a tool
> used by really cruel and domineering parents (some spouses...) and by some
> corporations (do this job and we'll let you get a stiffy again...).
>
> Ooh. Instead of installing cortex bombs in people to make them obedient,
> install impotence controls. For *some* people, that would be at least as
> effective. "Keep doing what we tell you and you can keep your wood.
> Disobey, and well, Mr. Happy won't ever be again."
>
> That's kinda nasty if I do say so myself.

Outch, I think you can say that again... nasty and not so drastic as
a cortex bomb. Good idea, Erik, I'm glad I'm a GM :>

Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 105
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:51:50 +0000
and thus did bryan.covington@****.COM speak on 23 Jul 98 at 8:44:

> One of the main characters in Neil Stevenson's "Snow
> Crash" had the vaginal version of this. It was called a "Dentada" I
> believe. She forgot to remove it when the dude she was hot for tried to
> get it on she shot all kinds of sedatives into his willy. It was rather
> amusing since she just thought he was really fast. He was pissed, when
> he woke up anyway.

That's the woman who I was thinking of when I joined in. Good thing
she used a sedative instead of a killer, the guy had a portable nuke
on his bike which would blow as soon as his heart would stop. Gave
him a lot of respect.


Karina & Martin Steffens
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Message no. 106
From: Grahamdrew <mnemonic25@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 17:46:13 -0400
> Nope, don't think I can. Some men actually look at women's faces first; some
> women dress in loose-fitting clothes. It has been known to happen. And these
> men don't even have to be bookworms for this to be true.

They don't have to be, but I've found out that it really helps...
Message no. 107
From: Wyrmy <elfman@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:06:17 -0500
Jett wrote:

> Here, kitty kitty...

5 Shadow-points to who ever can guess what movie thats from!
(points redeemable at any of "Wrymy's house of bug spirits"):^)
--
In past times, it was good to be part of a tribe family or club.
Welcome to 2057.The family is here.
Join The Hive.
Insectus.
Message no. 108
From: Pete Wilson <piatro@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:14:17 -0600
>Jett wrote:
>
>> Here, kitty kitty...
>
>5 Shadow-points to who ever can guess what movie thats from!
>(points redeemable at any of "Wrymy's house of bug spirits"):^)

How 'bout the original "Alien" movie?

Piatro
Message no. 109
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:16:53 -0500
>>> Here, kitty kitty...
>>
>>5 Shadow-points to who ever can guess what movie thats from!
>>(points redeemable at any of "Wrymy's house of bug spirits"):^)
>
>How 'bout the original "Alien" movie?

Complete with the original bug spirit...I like it. <g>
Message no. 110
From: Wyrmy <elfman@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:00:19 -0500
Pete Wilson wrote:
>
> >Jett wrote:
> >
> >> Here, kitty kitty...
> >
> >5 Shadow-points to who ever can guess what movie thats from!
> >(points redeemable at any of "Wrymy's house of bug spirits"):^)
>
> How 'bout the original "Alien" movie?
>
5 points to Piatro!
<plug>
down at wyrmy's house of bug spirits,you can get any bug you want...
wasps to drive your neighbors insane,cute cuddely beetles to...Ahhh!
Ahhh! get it off me! get it off me!<CHomp> <Chomp> <CRUNCH>
<Splat>
<Plug>
:^)
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Message no. 111
From: Alexia <alexia_silverstein@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:28:37 -0700
<snip>
> Nope, Blaze judges us by our asses ... (j/k Blaze ;)
>
> D.Ghost
<snip>

Well, why not? At least women don't talk to men's butts like men talk
to women's breasts...maybe women just squeeze 'em butts more ;)
Wouldn't know from experience tho, no no not me...

In one of my first games Crystal winked at a troll bouncer and the
GM's like "he just humphs and rolls his eyes 'cause you're just one of
them squishy Elves...well, in your case with your cyberware, he'd
prolly squish better than you."
==
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Message no. 112
From: Alexia <alexia_silverstein@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:26:15 -0700
> Counter-question: how much of this is due to the fact that women
with 34B+
> are more likely to wear clothes that emphasize the breasts (tight
shirts,
> low collars, etc.)? From my experience, I tend to notice breasts
only when
> they are purposefully emphasized (I'm more into lips). I have known
several
> women who I realized (after about a year or so) were stacked, only
because I
> saw them in evening wear.
>
> Wordman

My mom tought me this phrase "If you've got it, flaunt it."

==
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Message no. 113
From: Alexia <alexia_silverstein@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:53:43 -0700
<snip>
> > >It's even easier to tell in person. Just the feel of 'em is all i
need.
> > >Fake breasts are
> > >A.Large
> > >B.Hard as a rock.
> > >
> > >Larger breasts should never ever ever AFAIK be that firm.
> >
> > But BigDaddy, if they're good fakes, you won't know...'cause they
won't be
> > that firm. Don't ask me how I know, just trust me on this.
> >
>
> Ok now im confused. Are there more than one type of silicone
> injections????
> --
> Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
> BigDaddy

When my Boyfriend was pinning a corsage on me this weekend he was
getting all sweaty and nervous and I asked why and he told me he'd
never pinned a corsage on anyone before (not to mention lowcut dress)
and he said there was one thing that comforted him, if he did slip and
poke me with the straight pin, at least I was real and I wouldn't
spring a silicone leak.

Would your life/health insurance go up for things like that?

==
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Message no. 114
From: Alexia <alexia_silverstein@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:18:12 -0700
For all those men out there,

***ICKEY WOMAN STUFF ALERT!!!***

> > I see also a big market for a device that
> > would replace contraception devices, from devices that can switch a
> > woman's fertility on and off, thereby eliminating menstruation,
>
> They have it today, its called DeproVera I believe. It is delivered
in a shot
> form 4 times a year.
>
> -El Bandit
>
Heck, I take birth controll pills to ease up my cramps (when tylenol 3
with codine doesn't stop them something must be done) and they quite
literally put my period to a halt. 1 day and boom, nothin. I used to
have 7 days of it...*shudder*

Has anyone had their runners (the female ones of course) have cramps
during a run?
==
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Message no. 115
From: Daniel McManus <dmcmanus@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:39:07 -0400
>Has anyone had their runners (the female ones of course) have cramps
>during a run?

No, but I told a GM once that my character had some diarrhea and that I
just HAD to go during the run...he wasn't that good...he just looked at me
and said "no you don't" and turned to the other guys...I was sitting in on
the group, testing them out...neadless to say I didn't return to game with
them.

--Dan
Message no. 116
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:36:17 EDT
In a message dated 28/07/98 21:19:30 Central Daylight Time,
alexia_silverstein@*****.COM writes:

> Heck, I take birth controll pills to ease up my cramps (when tylenol 3
> with codine doesn't stop them something must be done) and they quite
> literally put my period to a halt. 1 day and boom, nothin. I used to
> have 7 days of it...*shudder*
>
> Has anyone had their runners (the female ones of course) have cramps
> during a run?

This is a bit out there, but I suddenly remembered a line from Raising Arizona
(very funny Nicolas Cage movie):

Psychologist: "Why do you say you feel 'trapped' in a man's body?"
Very large black man with a really deep voice: "Well, sometimes I get the
menstrual cramps real hard."

To bring this slightly back on topic, we did have a game where our Freddy the
PhysAd tracked one woman amidst a throng because she was the only one
menstruating, which made her scent much more distinctive, and easier to
follow... and told another woman she was pregnant right out of the blue (this
guy was very good at completely irrelevant statements to shake up people).

Nexx, who likes PhysAds
Message no. 117
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:44:04 +1000
Nexx writes:
> To bring this slightly back on topic, we did have a game where
> our Freddy the
> PhysAd tracked one woman amidst a throng because she was the only one
> menstruating, which made her scent much more distinctive, and easier to
> follow...

Kind of hard to believe... Wouldn't somewhere between 20% and 25% of the
women in the "throng" also have been menstruating?
Message no. 118
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:52:25 EDT
In a message dated 28/07/98 21:47:03 Central Daylight Time,
robert.watkins@******.COM writes:

> > To bring this slightly back on topic, we did have a game where
> > our Freddy the
> > PhysAd tracked one woman amidst a throng because she was the only one
> > menstruating, which made her scent much more distinctive, and easier to
> > follow...
>
> Kind of hard to believe... Wouldn't somewhere between 20% and 25% of the
> women in the "throng" also have been menstruating?

Well, for one thing, the throng wasn't all women, so there would be less
confusion... besides, the menstruation (we decided) would make her scent more
distinictive, stronger than those around her... even if other women were
menstruating, their scents would have been much more "them" as well.
Message no. 119
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:40:23 +0000
and thus did Alexia speak on 28 Jul 98 at 18:26:

> My mom tought me this phrase "If you've got it, flaunt it."
>
> ==
> ~Alexia

Well so much for us guys trying to be as politically correct as
possible, heheheh.



Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 120
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:43:08 -0300
At 08:44 23/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> > >So is adding the little poison needle or scissor-device there if
>> your
>> > >male runner gets send to jail...
>> >
>> > Wow. The ultimate in homophobia.
>>
>> Well don't a lot of males think that there's a serious risk of
>> getting raped if they get send to jail?
>>
> One of the main characters in Neil Stevenson's "Snow
>Crash" had the vaginal version of this. It was called a "Dentada" I
>believe.

Curiosity: Dentada, in Portuguese, means "nasty bite" : ) .

Bira
Message no. 121
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Taking Women Seriously
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:42:54 -0400
> > One of the main characters in Neil Stevenson's "Snow
> >Crash" had the vaginal version of this. It was called a "Dentada"
I
> >believe.
>
> Curiosity: Dentada, in Portuguese, means "nasty bite" : ) .
>
There's an understatement.

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