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Message no. 1
From: adonis <adonis@******.COM>
Subject: Tattoo Magic
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:24:02 -0500
Okay...i'm deliberating the addition of a new hermetic tradition into our
senario. Tattoo magic. Now I've already got a lot of good ideas from
various sources, but I was wondering if you guys could help me with these
questions:

1. Is there a FASA version of this already?
2. Do you know of a definitive resource (FASA or otherwise) for this
tradition?
3. Have anybody done this already? If so, tell me how you're version!
4. Any pro's/con's for intro'ing a new tradition?
5. Ideas? Recommendations? Referrals? Thwaps? :)

Thanks.

SOOiCydE
Message no. 2
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:29:22 -0500
At 29-Okt-97 wrote adonis:

>Okay...i'm deliberating the addition of a new hermetic tradition into our
>senario. Tattoo magic. Now I've already got a lot of good ideas from
>various sources, but I was wondering if you guys could help me with these
>questions:

>1. Is there a FASA version of this already?

Look into the underworld sourcebook page 96&97.
Thats all, not what I think you want, but a last something is mentioned.

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Message no. 3
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:42:27 -0800
Damn. I thought I still had it on disk. Does anyone have my post from last
year on this?

adonis wrote:
>
> Okay...i'm deliberating the addition of a new hermetic tradition into our
> senario. Tattoo magic. Now I've already got a lot of good ideas from
> various sources, but I was wondering if you guys could help me with these
> questions:
>
> 1. Is there a FASA version of this already?

Not in full detail, no. Snippets in one of hte sourcebooks, yes.

> 2. Do you know of a definitive resource (FASA or otherwise) for this
> tradition?

My post, if anyone still has it. ;)

> 3. Have anybody done this already? If so, tell me how you're version!

See above. ;)

> 4. Any pro's/con's for intro'ing a new tradition?

*another* tradition? Yeek!

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Message no. 4
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:40:18 -0500
adonis writes:
> Okay...i'm deliberating the addition of a new hermetic tradition into our
> senario. Tattoo magic. Now I've already got a lot of good ideas from
> various sources, but I was wondering if you guys could help me with these
> questions:
>
> 1. Is there a FASA version of this already?
> 2. Do you know of a definitive resource (FASA or otherwise) for this
> tradition?
> 3. Have anybody done this already? If so, tell me how you're version!
> 4. Any pro's/con's for intro'ing a new tradition?
> 5. Ideas? Recommendations? Referrals? Thwaps? :)
>
Check out the Underworld Sourcebook, they give some base rules for it
there. But is more of a new way to do a better spell lock.
They also mention Chinese "Elemental" Magic there.
Hopefully this will all come together in the new Magic book.
Until then, I just use odd traditions as flavoring and color.

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Message no. 5
From: Glenn Robb <GLENNROBB@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:43:09 -0700
Your dealing with the same questions that I posted much earilier. Ever heard
of sigils? That's tatoo magic. If FASA had done it before, then it would be
in Awakenings (I believe the cover had a woman with a tatooed dragon
springing to life). I really don't know, but you can try.

— Elton Robb
"Your Generously Liberal GM."

adonis wrote:

> Okay...i'm deliberating the addition of a new hermetic tradition into our
> senario. Tattoo magic. Now I've already got a lot of good ideas from
> various sources, but I was wondering if you guys could help me with these
> questions:
>
> 1. Is there a FASA version of this already?
> 2. Do you know of a definitive resource (FASA or otherwise) for this
> tradition?
> 3. Have anybody done this already? If so, tell me how you're version!
> 4. Any pro's/con's for intro'ing a new tradition?
> 5. Ideas? Recommendations? Referrals? Thwaps? :)
>
> Thanks.
>
> SOOiCydE
Message no. 6
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:02:02 -0700
Glenn Robb wrote:
|
| Your dealing with the same questions that I posted much earilier. Ever heard
| of sigils? That's tatoo magic. If FASA had done it before, then it would be
| in Awakenings (I believe the cover had a woman with a tatooed dragon
| springing to life). I really don't know, but you can try.
|
| adonis wrote:
|
| > Okay...i'm deliberating the addition of a new hermetic tradition into our
| > senario. Tattoo magic. Now I've already got a lot of good ideas from
| > various sources, but I was wondering if you guys could help me with these
| > questions:

[snip]

<Aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhh!!!!>

Glenn, I give up. I and several other people have asked you several
times to place your replies *after* the posts you're responding to.
From now on for every time that you send a post to the list that
violates list netiquette I'm going to complain to Mark and Fro and
let them deal with it. Hopefully you'll either change your ways or
Mark and Fro will unsubscribe you from the list.

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Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:28:25 +0000
And verily, did Glenn Robb hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Your dealing with the same questions that I posted much earilier. Ever heard
|of sigils? That's tatoo magic. If FASA had done it before, then it would be
|in Awakenings (I believe the cover had a woman with a tatooed dragon
|springing to life). I really don't know, but you can try.

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Message no. 8
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:32:53 -0500
At 30-Okt-97 wrote Glenn Robb:

[snip reply]

> Elton Robb
>"Your Generously Liberal GM."

>adonis wrote:
[snip original]

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Elton, listen up.
Reply _after_ the original post, Damned.
When will you learn it<sigh>
How many times someone has said this to you?

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Message no. 9
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:39:56 +0000
And verily, did Barbie hastily scribble thusly...
|Elton, listen up.
|Reply _after_ the original post, Damned.
|When will you learn it<sigh>
|How many times someone has said this to you?

I wasn't counting....
(Or was that a rhetorical question???)

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Message no. 10
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:55:06 -0500
At 30-Okt-97 wrote Spike:


>|How many times someone has said this to you?

>I wasn't counting....
>(Or was that a rhetorical question???)

It was intented as a rhetorical one, but IIRC more than six times:(

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Message no. 11
From: adonis <adonis@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:58:15 -0500
> Your dealing with the same questions that I posted much earilier. Ever
heard
> of sigils? That's tatoo magic. If FASA had done it before, then it
would be
> in Awakenings (I believe the cover had a woman with a tatooed dragon
> springing to life). I really don't know, but you can try.
>
Oh yeah...I remember the cover (from Awakenings). That was prob'ly,
subconciously, the impetus behind this idea!

BUT - i don't remember anything about tattoos or sigils........?

SOOiCydE
Message no. 12
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:23:07 -0500
In a message dated 97-10-30 10:37:57 EST, GLENNROBB@*******.NET writes:

>
> Your dealing with the same questions that I posted much earilier. Ever
> heard
> of sigils? That's tatoo magic. If FASA had done it before, then it would

> be
> in Awakenings (I believe the cover had a woman with a tatooed dragon
> springing to life). I really don't know, but you can try.

Actually, the picture is a Voudon of "Damballah Wedo". And there are lots of
ideas. Binder has long time ago experimented with "Tattoo Magic", but the
stuff that FASA put out did curb the craze a bit.

As for sigils, look up Runes or Runecrafting. There are more ideas on the
web in those arenas. I have a TON of rules concerning that idea, back when I
was first trying to work on Threading Magic. Create a Shell for the Energy
to fill in and then fulfill purpose. Idea was great, effort was terrible.

> — Elton Robb
> "Your Generously Liberal GM."

Let's hope so ;)

-K
Message no. 13
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Tattoo Magic
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:24:48 -0500
In a message dated 97-10-30 10:37:59 EST, dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG writes:

> <Aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhh!!!!>

(Keith pulling his headphones down...."what's all the noise?")

> Glenn, I give up. I and several other people have asked you several
> times to place your replies *after* the posts you're responding to.
> From now on for every time that you send a post to the list that
> violates list netiquette I'm going to complain to Mark and Fro and
> let them deal with it. Hopefully you'll either change your ways or
> Mark and Fro will unsubscribe you from the list.

Hey guys, I can sympathize with you on this, but unsubscribing somebody
simply for putting their post replies at the front? I know it's annoying,
-very annoying- at times, but it's something I can deal with.

-K
Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Tattoo Magic
Date: Sat Jan 5 00:50:02 2002
How much skin area is there on the average human body? This is in relation to quickening
spells with tattoos and how much area they take up relative to the spells power rating.

IIRC this came up a few years back and was worked out roughly by simply taking the
arms/legs/torso as cylinders. I don't need an exact answer, just a general idea to see how
much you could fit on a body.

Cheers.

Simon
Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rev. Mike Martin)
Subject: Tattoo Magic
Date: Sat Jan 5 01:10:01 2002
flakjacket@***********.com wrote:
>
> How much skin area is there on the average human body? This is in relation to
quickening spells with tattoos and how much area they take up relative to the spells power
rating.
>
> IIRC this came up a few years back and was worked out roughly by simply taking the
arms/legs/torso as cylinders. I don't need an exact answer, just a general idea to see how
much you could fit on a body.
>
> Cheers.

What happens if you do the tats REALLY small? ;)

Mike
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Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jonathan)
Subject: Tattoo Magic
Date: Sat Jan 5 01:30:01 2002
> What happens if you do the tats REALLY small? ;)
>

MitS has a general surface area formula that basically tells you how big the
tat has to be (big as in skin surface area)

Quickened Spells force, squared times 100 in centimeters.

Let's see a force 6 physical mask

so six squared times 100 in centemtres. That's most (if not all) of your
back there ;)
Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Tattoo Magic
Date: Sat Jan 5 05:35:16 2002
According to flakjacket@***********.com, on Sat, 05 Jan 2002 the word on the street was...

> How much skin area is there on the average human body? This is in
> relation to quickening spells with tattoos and how much area they take up
> relative to the spells power rating.

I seem to remember reading (years ago) that humans have about two square meters of skin
(not two meters square, two square meters :) but I'm not sure. I'm guessing that a good
place to find this out would be texts about burn injuries.

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Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Achille Autran)
Subject: Tattoo Magic
Date: Sat Jan 5 13:40:03 2002
>From: flakjacket@***********.com
>
>How much skin area is there on the average human body? This is in relation
>to quickening spells with tattoos and how much area they take up relative
>to the spells power rating.
>
>IIRC this came up a few years back and was worked out roughly by simply
>taking the arms/legs/torso as cylinders. I don't need an exact answer,
>just a general idea to see how much you could fit on a body.

From very rough measures and calculations on my own body, I compute
average circumference (ignoring narrowings like elbows, waist or ankles)
time length:

Arms: 15*60 = 900 cm² each.
Legs: 40*80 = 3200 cm² each.
Trunk: 60*80 = 4800 cm²
Head and neck: 30*40 = 1200 cm²

Total: 14200 cm²

This is for me, who definitely fits the "skeleton-boy roleplayer" template,
with 1.85 m for 70 kg. You could mutliply these figures by 1.5 for muscular
people of roughly the same size (especially arms and legs of which diameter
can dramatically increase with muscles) or tall elves, by 2 for orcs, by 4
for trolls, or mutliply by .75 for dwarves or small persons, even .5 for a
very slim and short human.

A force 6 tattooed spell would cover the whole back and then some, getting
on the shoulders, front torso, neck or thigh, for a regular, lean human.
More area on fat persons...

Hope this helps.

Molloy

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