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Message no. 1
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Tech and the Astral
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:35:51 -0700 (PDT)
One of my players is trying to confuse me. His mage is
currently astral and an announcement has just gone
over the ship's loudspeakers. (Oh, guys, remember how
I was suggesting you could screw with players in a
pirates campaign by sticking them on a boat/submarine
with a vampire? Well, the vampire's still at large and
they're in the process of being intercepted by a
well-armed Azzie corvette...;) )

Now, I thought he could hear the announcement, but he
says he doesn't think you can hear technological
devices (i.e. the loudspeaker) from the astral.

I don't have my books to check, so...who's right?

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

S.S. f. P.S.C. & D.J.

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Message no. 2
From: SyphonAC@***.com SyphonAC@***.com
Subject: Tech and the Astral
Date: Tue Jun 20 23:43:52 2000
My knowledge of astral is a bit rusty, but for some reason I wanna say he's right, that
things like announcements couldn't be heard in astral...don't take my word for it though
:)

Syphon
Message no. 3
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Tech and the Astral
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:29:43 -0500
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Rand
Ratinac?<docwagon101@*****.com> writes:
<SNIP>
> I don't have my books to check, so...who's right?

Page 173 SR3: "Speech and other sounds are as easily to hear from the
astral plane as they are in the physical world."

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Message no. 4
From: Ray Macey macey@***.com.au
Subject: Tech and the Astral
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:26:44 +1000
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rand Ratinac" <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 1:35 PM
Subject: Tech and the Astral


>
> Now, I thought he could hear the announcement, but he
> says he doesn't think you can hear technological
> devices (i.e. the loudspeaker) from the astral.
>
> I don't have my books to check, so...who's right?

He is, at least according to the 2nd Ed rules. Somewhere in there it
mentions being able to hear voices etc, but not if they are recorded. (p 89
Grimoire). There is no mention either way of how it works in either 3rd Ed
or MitS, so in the end I guess it's a GM's call, though personally I see no
reason to change it from the 2nd Ed way of working things.

NightRain.

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Message no. 5
From: Philip Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Tech and the Astral
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:09:20 +0100
on 21/6/00 4:35 am, Rand Ratinac at docwagon101@*****.com wrote:

> One of my players is trying to confuse me. His mage is
> currently astral and an announcement has just gone
> over the ship's loudspeakers. (Oh, guys, remember how
> I was suggesting you could screw with players in a
> pirates campaign by sticking them on a boat/submarine
> with a vampire? Well, the vampire's still at large and
> they're in the process of being intercepted by a
> well-armed Azzie corvette...;) )
>
> Now, I thought he could hear the announcement, but he
> says he doesn't think you can hear technological
> devices (i.e. the loudspeaker) from the astral.
>
> I don't have my books to check, so...who's right?

IIRC You have to manifest from the astral to hear anything going on around
you, read anything, have a look at any cloudy non-astral objects or whatever
but my books are all the way across the room and I'm not bothering to check.

Phil
Message no. 6
From: Caric caric@********.com
Subject: Tech and the Astral
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:43:56 -0700
>From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
>[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of Philip Smith

>> One of my players is trying to confuse me. His mage is
>> currently astral and an announcement has just gone
>> over the ship's loudspeakers. (Oh, guys, remember how
>> I was suggesting you could screw with players in a
>> pirates campaign by sticking them on a boat/submarine
>> with a vampire? Well, the vampire's still at large and
>> they're in the process of being intercepted by a
>> well-armed Azzie corvette...;) )
>>
>> Now, I thought he could hear the announcement, but he
>> says he doesn't think you can hear technological
>> devices (i.e. the loudspeaker) from the astral.
>>
>> I don't have my books to check, so...who's right?
>
>IIRC You have to manifest from the astral to hear anything going on around
>you, read anything, have a look at any cloudy non-astral objects
>or whatever
>but my books are all the way across the room and I'm not bothering
>to check.

Actually what I understand from p.173 of SR3 is that some things have
changed from SR2 and some haven't. You still can't read anything from the
astral (it makes no mention of whether or not you are manifest at the time,
and I don't really see how that would make a difference), but you do get the
emotional content of whatever it is that you are trying to "read." As far
as hearing goes, NightRain is definitely correct about not being able to
hear recorded sounds in SR2, but SR3 didn't add that little detail instead
just saying "Speech and sounds are as easy to hear from the astral plane as
they are in the physical world."

Personally I always liked the way that SR2 handled it, added a nice little
quirk.

~Caric
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Message no. 7
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Tech and the Astral
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:29:09 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Caric <caric@********.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, June 22, 2000 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: Tech and the Astral


>
>Actually what I understand from p.173 of SR3 is that some things have
>changed from SR2 and some haven't. You still can't read anything from the
>astral (it makes no mention of whether or not you are manifest at the time,
>and I don't really see how that would make a difference), but you do get
the
>emotional content of whatever it is that you are trying to "read." As far
>as hearing goes, NightRain is definitely correct about not being able to
>hear recorded sounds in SR2, but SR3 didn't add that little detail instead
>just saying "Speech and sounds are as easy to hear from the astral plane as
>they are in the physical world."
>
>Personally I always liked the way that SR2 handled it, added a nice little
>quirk.
>

I personally would say that you can hear recorded sounds as normal, but not
_understand_ recorded speech. The same for writing, a book's pages wouldn't
be blank from the astral, just illegible. This quirk, by the way is based on
people's descriptions of actual astral travel.
Message no. 8
From: Herc airwisp@******************.com
Subject: Tech and the Astral
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:00:48 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: Tech and the Astral


>
> I personally would say that you can hear recorded sounds as normal, but
not
> _understand_ recorded speech. The same for writing, a book's pages
wouldn't
> be blank from the astral, just illegible. This quirk, by the way is based
on
> people's descriptions of actual astral travel.
>

IMO, no, a projecting mage can not hear sounds coming from anything that is
reproduced/repeated electronically. There are other ways around this
though. Say the recording was made on a tape going to someone that recorder
cared/loved very deeply, the astral viewer may have a chance of assensing
the -INTENT- behind the recording, as there is an emotional bond there.

Which is something a lot of people also don't get to heavy into, assensing
for psychic impressions.

Pages in a bok written by hand may be legible, as there is a emotive force
behind them. Coming from an ordinary typewriter, no.

-Mike
Message no. 9
From: Brian Johnson expatrie@*******.net
Subject: Tech and the Astral
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:27:54 -0500
Caric wrote:

> >From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
> >[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of Philip Smith
>
> >> One of my players is trying to confuse me. His mage is
> >> currently astral and an announcement has just gone
> >> over the ship's loudspeakers. (Oh, guys, remember how
> >> I was suggesting you could screw with players in a
> >> pirates campaign by sticking them on a boat/submarine
> >> with a vampire? Well, the vampire's still at large and
> >> they're in the process of being intercepted by a
> >> well-armed Azzie corvette...;) )
> >>
> >> Now, I thought he could hear the announcement, but he
> >> says he doesn't think you can hear technological
> >> devices (i.e. the loudspeaker) from the astral.
> >>
> >> I don't have my books to check, so...who's right?
> >
> >IIRC You have to manifest from the astral to hear anything going on around
> >you, read anything, have a look at any cloudy non-astral objects
> >or whatever
> >but my books are all the way across the room and I'm not bothering
> >to check.
>
> Actually what I understand from p.173 of SR3 is that some things have
> changed from SR2 and some haven't. You still can't read anything from the
> astral (it makes no mention of whether or not you are manifest at the time,
> and I don't really see how that would make a difference), but you do get the
> emotional content of whatever it is that you are trying to "read." As far
> as hearing goes, NightRain is definitely correct about not being able to
> hear recorded sounds in SR2, but SR3 didn't add that little detail instead
> just saying "Speech and sounds are as easy to hear from the astral plane as
> they are in the physical world."
>
> Personally I always liked the way that SR2 handled it, added a nice little
> quirk.
>
> ~Caric
>

Ditto. Plus, making sounds, etc. difficult from astral has certain hindrances.
Eavesdropping becomes more difficult, as you hear not what they are saying, but
the emotional content of the message... Har.

Technological stuff shouldn't make much effect on the astral, as it don't have
emotions. The speaker isn't making the statement, the loudspeaker is, and it
doesn't have any feelings.


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