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Message no. 1
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:05:58 +0000
and thus did Steve Collins speak on 1 Sep 98 at 20:36:

> Definately not Loyal to the Church as they were killed by the church
> supposedly for Herasy and Devil Worship (more likely it was so Rome could
> get their hands on the Templars money). If you believe the reason why the
> Church chose to get rid of them a Cult works well. They were definately
> heavily into Ritual Magic and being the Secret group they were rumors
> started going around that they had started worshiping a new God called
> Baal. Whatever they were they would be one Badass Magical Initiate group
> possibly with a liberal dosing of Physads.

Check your SR books, the Templars are an order of the Vatican again
(TnOg p. 54) and even the IE fear them. Loads of potential IMHO, to
create something nasty enough to rival some of the stuff from
threats, if not surpass it. I always wondered why FASA didn't do more
with them, or used them more, they make an excellent plot device /
balance.


Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 2
From: Steve Collins <einan@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:31:24 -0400
}}snip my stuff on Templars{{
>
>Check your SR books, the Templars are an order of the Vatican again
>(TnOg p. 54) and even the IE fear them. Loads of potential IMHO, to
>create something nasty enough to rival some of the stuff from
>threats, if not surpass it. I always wondered why FASA didn't do more
>with them, or used them more, they make an excellent plot device /
>balance.
>

Ah well it wouldn't do me much good to check my books as I don't own TnOg
:). I actually would have figured them as something similar to the Black
Lodge in Threats and was kind of disappointed when I didn't find them
there. From my limited Knowlege of that Order of Knights (I've read some
books where they were mentioned) I would guess that the ones in 2060 are
not the traditional Knights Templar that some conspiracy Theorists
believe still exist as a secret society but a new formation of them by
the Church.

Interesting I just looked it up and I guess that either this the case or
FASA's right hand doesn't know what it's left is up to. In the Black
Lodge section of Threats it mentions the Knights Templar as having been
working for the Black Lodge before the Awakening. I would have perferred
to have had them as a seperate group though.

Steve
Message no. 3
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:36:12 EDT
In a message dated 9/2/98 10:57:21 AM AST, chimerae@***.IE writes:

> Check your SR books, the Templars are an order of the Vatican again
> (TnOg p. 54) and even the IE fear them. Loads of potential IMHO, to
> create something nasty enough to rival some of the stuff from
> threats, if not surpass it. I always wondered why FASA didn't do more
> with them, or used them more, they make an excellent plot device /
> balance.

It wasn't really the Catholic Church that did in the Templars anyway. Clement
the 5th was in the pocket Phillip the 4th of France. The Templars were filthy
rich by the time Plillip came to power. He was having money trouble so he had
his hand picked Pope, Clement the 5th, bring up the Templars on heresy
charges.
The Templars were officially arrested on Friday the 13th, which is the basis
for that superstitution.
Message no. 4
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:50:52 EDT
In a message dated 9/2/98 12:21:12 PM AST, einan@*********.NET writes:

> In the Black
> Lodge section of Threats it mentions the Knights Templar as having been
> working for the Black Lodge before the Awakening. I would have perferred
> to have had them as a seperate group though.
>

Play it as a Black Lodge lie. I intend to. There are plenty of others to use
anyway. The Order of Skull and Bones is a great one. The Teutonic Kights is
another.
Message no. 5
From: "Dr. Faust" <apocrytha@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:53:24 -0500
Dhl9@***.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 9/2/98 12:21:12 PM AST, einan@*********.NET writes:
>
> > In the Black
> > Lodge section of Threats it mentions the Knights Templar as having been
> > working for the Black Lodge before the Awakening. I would have perferred
> > to have had them as a seperate group though.
> >
>
> Play it as a Black Lodge lie. I intend to. There are plenty of others to use
> anyway. The Order of Skull and Bones is a great one. The Teutonic Kights is
> another.

Heh... Order of Skull and Bones. Good group for a Conspiracy, awhole bunch of
Yale grads (some of them who have become President... Bush for example) who get
together and have the bones of Gernimo.

Might wanna consider the Cathars, they suppostidly hid the Holy Grail.

--
"that is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may
die."
-H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu."
Message no. 6
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:28:41 +0000
and thus did Steve Collins speak on 2 Sep 98 at 12:31:

> Ah well it wouldn't do me much good to check my books as I don't own TnOg

It's missable :). I could swear I've seen references to the Templars
in other books too, but can't find anything atm.

> :). I actually would have figured them as something similar to the Black
> Lodge in Threats and was kind of disappointed when I didn't find them
> there. From my limited Knowlege of that Order of Knights (I've read some
> books where they were mentioned) I would guess that the ones in 2060 are
> not the traditional Knights Templar that some conspiracy Theorists
> believe still exist as a secret society but a new formation of them by
> the Church.

Well I find that last bit hard to believe. If they are as powerful
as TnaN mentions they need to be more than just another group of
fresh mages tossing spells. No my idea is that the Templars did go
underground (in the SR universe that is), and made their presence
known to the papacy after 2011. The Vatican realized they were
hopelessly outgunned when it came to magic, published a bull in which
they apologize for the prosecution of the Templars and offer them
their old position again, and before you know it they control the
church. Whether they run the Black Lodge or the Templars are just
another name for them, it doesn't really matter that much to me.

> Interesting I just looked it up and I guess that either this the case or
> FASA's right hand doesn't know what it's left is up to. In the Black
> Lodge section of Threats it mentions the Knights Templar as having been
> working for the Black Lodge before the Awakening. I would have preferred
> to have had them as a seperate group though.

Well technically you could see it as FASA realizing that with the
Templars in the RC church, they would come pretty close to taking a
stand on religious affairs sooner or later, this way it solves the
problem, but it's not a pretty solution. Interesting though is that
both the Templars and the Black Lodge seem to have an adversity
towards the elven nations, in the case of the BL it seems to be
almost fanatical hatred. There must be something personal going on
there, which supports the theory that not just elves carry the
immortality gene. And of course, as usual they get to be the bad
guys... *sigh*

Even more interesting is why there is no mention of the White
Lodge... <sarcasm>ah, nah, they're just a bunch of good guys, what
can they do anyway</sarcasm>.

Martin
(who rather joins the Black Lodge than live in the Elven paradise)
Message no. 7
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:44:09 -0400
Ack. Dr. Faustus, your own e-mail addy is overriding that of the list.
Please endeavor to remedy that.

At 03:53 PM 9/2/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Might wanna consider the Cathars, they suppostidly hid the Holy Grail.

Which would be fine except for the fact that they weren't a secret society.
They practiced their Christian beliefs fairly openly, at least until the
Pope called them heretics and launched a crusade against them.

Erik J.
Message no. 8
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:23:26 -0400
At 11:28 PM 9/2/98 +0000, you wrote:

>Well I find that last bit hard to believe. If they are as powerful
>as TnaN mentions they need to be more than just another group of
>fresh mages tossing spells. No my idea is that the Templars did go
>underground (in the SR universe that is), and made their presence
>known to the papacy after 2011. The Vatican realized they were
>hopelessly outgunned when it came to magic, published a bull in which
>they apologize for the prosecution of the Templars and offer them
>their old position again, and before you know it they control the
>church. Whether they run the Black Lodge or the Templars are just
>another name for them, it doesn't really matter that much to me.

Nah, I'm not too keen on this. I would strongly suspect that the Templars
of the Awakened World are a new creation by the Church. Let's not forget
that the Vatican libraries contain all sorts of books that *may* not have
seen the light of day for centuries. Even if not true, a well funded and
organized group of street-sam types and mages numbering in the hundreds
that are all believers in a cause would be terribly effective. If you also
allow that the Church might have some secret knowledge locked away in their
libraries and vaults that they've made accessible to the Templars and
you've really got an effective group.

>Even more interesting is why there is no mention of the White
>Lodge... <sarcasm>ah, nah, they're just a bunch of good guys, what
>can they do anyway</sarcasm>.

The White Lodge? Hey, wait a minute...bob rof tou chtaw...oh sorry,
suddenly had Twin Peaks flashbacks...now that would be interesting
Shadowrun material...the Log Lady, Sherilyn Fenn hmmmmm...oh sorry, Bob,
Agent Cooper, who killed Laura Palmer? That would be better than a slice
of cherry pie and a a darn good cup of joe...

Erik J.

The only thing in the world that I arranged dates, games, movies, nearly
anything around was Twin Peaks...thankfully my girlfriend and buddies at
the time were also into that piece of David Lynch strangeness...
Message no. 9
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:42:47 +0000
and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 2 Sep 98 at 19:23:

> Nah, I'm not too keen on this. I would strongly suspect that the Templars
> of the Awakened World are a new creation by the Church. Let's not forget
> that the Vatican libraries contain all sorts of books that *may* not have
> seen the light of day for centuries. Even if not true, a well funded and
> organized group of street-sam types and mages numbering in the hundreds
> that are all believers in a cause would be terribly effective. If you also
> allow that the Church might have some secret knowledge locked away in their
> libraries and vaults that they've made accessible to the Templars and
> you've really got an effective group.

Hmmm, Vatican Libraries (drool). The order might have been reinstated
by the church, but it's knowledge certainly didn't get lost. Most
members did move to other orders, and the Hospitaller Knights did get
all the goodies they had. Plus don't forget that nowadays there is a
special group of exorcist working with the full support of the
church, and they've been around for ages.
I am pretty sure you can skip the *may* for some whole sections of
the library, they are off limits to visitors and only accessible to a
select group of people. I went there once during a visit to Rome and
it is huge with enormous sections with manuscripts. Alas they
wouldn't recruit non-catholics :/ (my Latin was too rusty anyway).
That place is probably a repository of more arcane knowledge than any
other place in the world, and they take it pretty seriously, since
even large parts of the catalogi are off limits.

(Darn paranoid buggers, I just wanted to find the formula to summon
the four horseman of the Apocalypse.... :)

> The White Lodge? Hey, wait a minute...bob rof tou chtaw...oh sorry,
> suddenly had Twin Peaks flashbacks...now that would be interesting
> Shadowrun material...the Log Lady, Sherilyn Fenn hmmmmm...oh sorry, Bob,
> Agent Cooper, who killed Laura Palmer? That would be better than a slice
> of cherry pie and a a darn good cup of joe...
> The only thing in the world that I arranged dates, games, movies, nearly
> anything around was Twin Peaks...thankfully my girlfriend and buddies at
> the time were also into that piece of David Lynch strangeness...

<bud light guy>
I love you man!
</bud light guy>
:)

I cycled 12 km every time when that was on tv, since we didn't have
cable yet. I also spend till deep in the night analysing the episodes
with my friends :)

BTW The White Lodge has roughly the same basis of existence as the
Black Lodge (i.e. one of those secret societies that litter the
world). They're the good guys, the blacks are the baddies, and the
Gray is somewhere in between (they're basically good, but for them
the end justifies the means). We stand between the light and the
candle, that kind of stuff :).

If you consider it, by 2060 everyone is a member of a secret society.
Paranoia here we come!! :)

Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 10
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:34:58 -0400
At 12:42 PM 9/3/98 +0000, you wrote:

>Hmmm, Vatican Libraries (drool). The order might have been reinstated
>by the church, but it's knowledge certainly didn't get lost. Most
>members did move to other orders, and the Hospitaller Knights did get

The question is, where *did* all their information go? Some of it probably
made it's way into the Vatican libraries. It appears that some of it made
it's way into Freemasonry, particularly Scottish Rite. And some of it has
probably been lost forever.

>all the goodies they had. Plus don't forget that nowadays there is a
>special group of exorcist working with the full support of the
>church, and they've been around for ages.

I always forget about those guys.

>That place is probably a repository of more arcane knowledge than any
>other place in the world, and they take it pretty seriously, since
>even large parts of the catalogi are off limits.

I wonder if they'll ever open up the entire contents of the library. I
mean, not only would you find copies of various banned books, but according
to rumor, there must be all sorts of mystical books on alchemy and magic.

I have to wonder how many books of science and mathematics are there and
how the world may have been different if they had disseminated that
knowledge instead of keeping it secret. Idle speculation...

> (Darn paranoid buggers, I just wanted to find the formula to summon
>the four horseman of the Apocalypse.... :)

Is that all? I was looking for god's true name so I could say it backwards
and bring about the end of the world...(really bad movie reference...)

>I cycled 12 km every time when that was on tv, since we didn't have
>cable yet. I also spend till deep in the night analysing the episodes
>with my friends :)

Without Twin Peaks, there would be no Millenium, no X-Files, no Maximum Bob
(which I haven't seen yet, but hear is good) to name only a few shows. If
only David Lynch would make a comprehensible film one of these days...weird
is good, confusing tends to be bad...

>BTW The White Lodge has roughly the same basis of existence as the
>Black Lodge (i.e. one of those secret societies that litter the
>world). They're the good guys, the blacks are the baddies, and the
>Gray is somewhere in between (they're basically good, but for them
>the end justifies the means). We stand between the light and the
>candle, that kind of stuff :).

B5 quote there...yeah, I think the White Lodge and the Black Lodge were
essentially mirror images of each other. Identical but polar opposites.
Which can make for some very interesting characters and plots...even in SR...

>Paranoia here we come!! :)

What do you mean here we come...

Erik J.

Who has recently become convinced that the Adam's BoB thing must somehow be
related to Twin Peaks and the Black Lodge...
Message no. 11
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:02:42 -0400
Martin Steffens wrote:
>
> If you consider it, by 2060 everyone is a member of a secret society.
> Paranoia here we come!! :)

You weren't supposed to know that, Citizen. Please report yourself for
termination immediately.


Keep Your Laser Handy,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 12
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:12:37 +0000
and thus did Steve Eley speak on 3 Sep 98 at 14:02:

> Martin Steffens wrote:
> >
> > If you consider it, by 2060 everyone is a member of a secret society.
> > Paranoia here we come!! :)
>
> You weren't supposed to know that, Citizen. Please report yourself for
> termination immediately.

Consider it done, you are now speaking to clone no. 6.

Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 13
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:12:37 +0000
and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 3 Sep 98 at 13:34:

> The question is, where *did* all their information go? Some of it probably
> made it's way into the Vatican libraries. It appears that some of it made
> it's way into Freemasonry, particularly Scottish Rite. And some of it has
> probably been lost forever.

Very likely a lot went into the libraries. It's a good thing that
librarians around the world have a kind of common bond, so I asked
the guy I spoke to what they had on the Templars. He answered quite a
lot, and some of it from their own chapter houses together with a
bunch of relics.
Arlgh... anyone up for a shadowrun in that direction? :)

> >all the goodies they had. Plus don't forget that nowadays there is a
> >special group of exorcist working with the full support of the
> >church, and they've been around for ages.
> I always forget about those guys.

They should be very good at banishing spirits, maybe aspected mages
with a nifty bonus of +2 dice on banishing, or even better a -2 on
target numbers thanks to their intimate knowledge of the area.

> I wonder if they'll ever open up the entire contents of the library. I
> mean, not only would you find copies of various banned books, but according
> to rumor, there must be all sorts of mystical books on alchemy and magic.

Yep. It's just like the library in "The Name of the Rose." by Eco,
they store everything that remotely connects to religious affairs,
including loads of so called heretic books. My "contact" knew there
was a section like that, but he didn't have access to it (nor would
he tell me anything about it beyond that little hint).

> I have to wonder how many books of science and mathematics are there and
> how the world may have been different if they had disseminated that
> knowledge instead of keeping it secret. Idle speculation...

Indeed, knowledge is bad, if people are too smart, they stop
believing in the church. So it was a good strategy.

> > (Darn paranoid buggers, I just wanted to find the formula to summon
> >the four horseman of the Apocalypse.... :)
>
> Is that all? I was looking for god's true name so I could say it backwards
> and bring about the end of the world...(really bad movie reference...)

[wacks his brain].. eerrhm... the Seventh Seal? Warlock? 10 pounds on
Warlock (although I kinda liked it...).

I was more interested whether Death's horse is indeed Binky, and
steal the other's horses so they would be the "One Horseman and the
Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse." (good book reference).

> B5 quote there...yeah, I think the White Lodge and the Black Lodge were
> essentially mirror images of each other. Identical but polar opposites.
> Which can make for some very interesting characters and plots...even in SR...

Maybe they should publish a book called "the Good Guys. Really!"
with the IE's lined up in a neat row smiling their pants of and
waving to look nice, ex-Dunky with a charming grin, the White Lodge
wearing t-shirt saying "Kill Bob, and his evil church!", Mantis
spirits swearing in interviews that they only destroy insects,
honest!, etc. etc. Would be very funny to see that.

> Who has recently become convinced that the Adam's BoB thing must somehow be
> related to Twin Peaks and the Black Lodge...

Hmm.. yes. Steps will be taken...


Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 14
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:47:07 -0400
At 12:12 PM 9/4/98 +0000, you wrote:

>Very likely a lot went into the libraries. It's a good thing that
>librarians around the world have a kind of common bond, so I asked
>the guy I spoke to what they had on the Templars. He answered quite a
>lot, and some of it from their own chapter houses together with a
>bunch of relics.

Oooh...I bet there's so much potentially useful not to mention just plain
interesting information kept under lock and key there...

>Arlgh... anyone up for a shadowrun in that direction? :)

Count me in!!

>They should be very good at banishing spirits, maybe aspected mages
>with a nifty bonus of +2 dice on banishing, or even better a -2 on
>target numbers thanks to their intimate knowledge of the area.

Potentially. Perhaps they would include adept "ghost hunters" too.

>> Is that all? I was looking for god's true name so I could say it backwards
>> and bring about the end of the world...(really bad movie reference...)
>
>[wacks his brain].. eerrhm... the Seventh Seal? Warlock? 10 pounds on
>Warlock (although I kinda liked it...).

You win 10 pounds. Reach into your wallet and with your right hand, remove
the 10 pounds and give it to your left.

The joke for years after was "You mean it's Dog? What? OOOPS!"

>I was more interested whether Death's horse is indeed Binky, and
>steal the other's horses so they would be the "One Horseman and the
>Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse." (good book reference).

Missed that reference.

>Maybe they should publish a book called "the Good Guys. Really!"
>with the IE's lined up in a neat row smiling their pants of and
>waving to look nice, ex-Dunky with a charming grin, the White Lodge
>wearing t-shirt saying "Kill Bob, and his evil church!", Mantis
>spirits swearing in interviews that they only destroy insects,
>honest!, etc. etc. Would be very funny to see that.

That's too much... ;-)

>> Who has recently become convinced that the Adam's BoB thing must somehow be
>> related to Twin Peaks and the Black Lodge...
>
>Hmm.. yes. Steps will be taken...

A call has been placed with Agent Cooper (the pre season finale Agent
Cooper mind you!). Adam, if you see some guy wearing a suit drinking a
damn good cup of coffee and eating cherry pie, don't worry about, it's
nothing at all, really...

Erik J.


http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
The Reality Check for a Fictional World
Message no. 15
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 12:27:11 +0000
and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 4 Sep 98 at 16:47:

> Oooh...I bet there's so much potentially useful not to mention just plain
> interesting information kept under lock and key there...
> >Arlgh... anyone up for a shadowrun in that direction? :)

> Count me in!!

Okay, we have one boxer (you have to double up as a PA I'm afraid
Erik :), and one ex-librarian annex decker (but a poor hacker), we
need some sammies, a rigger and a really good fixer. Anyone?

> You win 10 pounds. Reach into your wallet and with your right hand, remove
> the 10 pounds and give it to your left.

Heheh, I'm married, Erik, I don't have ten pounds in my wallet :).

> The joke for years after was "You mean it's Dog? What? OOOPS!"

Hmmm, that's why there are so many fluctuations in the time-space
continiuum, all these people saying god and dog...

> >I was more interested whether Death's horse is indeed Binky, and
> >steal the other's horses so they would be the "One Horseman and the
> >Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse." (good book reference).

> Missed that reference.

Pratchett in Sourcery. Rincewind steals three of the four horses
while the horsemen are having a drink in a bar.

> A call has been placed with Agent Cooper (the pre season finale Agent
> Cooper mind you!). Adam, if you see some guy wearing a suit drinking a
> damn good cup of coffee and eating cherry pie, don't worry about, it's
> nothing at all, really...

Do worry when you see Agent Mulder wearing a dress, and calling
himself Denise, though :).

Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 16
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:16:56 -0500
>I was more interested whether Death's horse is indeed Binky, and
>steal the other's horses so they would be the "One Horseman and the
>Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse." (good book reference).

You mean they aren't the Four Motorcyclists of the Apocalypse?

---
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El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 17
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:11:15 +0200
Patrick Goodman said on 22:16/7 Sep 98,...

> >I was more interested whether Death's horse is indeed Binky, and
> >steal the other's horses so they would be the "One Horseman and the
> >Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse." (good book reference).
>
> You mean they aren't the Four Motorcyclists of the Apocalypse?

Death, War, Famine, and Pollution, you mean?

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Message no. 18
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:21:19 -0400
On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Martin Steffens wrote:

->and thus did Erik Jameson speak on 4 Sep 98 at 16:47:
->
->> Oooh...I bet there's so much potentially useful not to mention just plain
->> interesting information kept under lock and key there...
->> >Arlgh... anyone up for a shadowrun in that direction? :)
->
->> Count me in!!
->
->Okay, we have one boxer (you have to double up as a PA I'm afraid
->Erik :), and one ex-librarian annex decker (but a poor hacker), we
->need some sammies, a rigger and a really good fixer. Anyone?

One fixer/physmage present. ]:-) Whatcha need?

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 19
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:00:12 EDT
In a message dated 9/8/98 2:13:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gurth@******.NL
writes:

> Death, War, Famine, and Pollution, you mean?
^^^^ This should read "conflict"

Oh wait the politically correct thread was the Dwarves/dwarfs thing, woops.
Message no. 20
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:24:31 -0500
>> >I was more interested whether Death's horse is indeed Binky, and
>> >steal the other's horses so they would be the "One Horseman and the
>> >Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse." (good book reference).
>>
>> You mean they aren't the Four Motorcyclists of the Apocalypse?
>
>Death, War, Famine, and Pollution, you mean?

The very same. I'm still trying to work this into the game I'm running
somehow, but how do you out-do Neil Gaiman on making the end of the world
funny?

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Message no. 21
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Templars [Was: Re: Awakened Greece and Ancient Civilization]
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:40:40 +0200
According to Michael vanHulst, at 21:00 on 8 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> > Death, War, Famine, and Pollution, you mean?
> ^^^^ This should read "conflict"

Read Good Omens, she's definitely called War. Or Pepper :)

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