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Message no. 1
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Texas Free State Alternate History
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:53:50 -0500
Okay, I probably won't be able to reply to anything on this thread until
I get back but I wanted to see what everyone thought of an idea I was
kicking around ...

Instead of what's in the BBB, Texas & the CAS seperated from the UCAS
during the treaty of Denver ... Texas exists much like California but
better off ... (Sorry, but FASA screwed California over :/ ) ... While
California is bordered on by Aztlan and the Tir who want in and
completely cut off from the UCAS and CAS, Texas only needs to fend off
Aztlan and is on decnt terms with the UCAS and very good terms with the
CAS (talks of a merger are always in the works) ... The area close to the
Texas/Aztlan border, outside of major cities is a no-man's land getting
better quickly as you travel east ... If trouble arises with Aztlan,
Texas can count on the CAS's support and vice versa ... Texas is doing
well partly because of the presence of large oil reserves ... Also, both
Texas A&M (Texas A&M&M is a really Lame ass name, IMO ... personally, I
don't think the name would have changed ...) and tu (guess which one I
attended ... damn Aggies ... ;) have strong thaumaturgical studies
departments and give TFS a great deal of magical resources ...

What do you think? Feasable? Better/Worse the BBB material?

D.Ghost (Who is wondering if he's taking a vacation from the list or if
the list is taking a vacation from him ...)
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 2
From: Geoff Morochnick <bodiam@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Texas Free State Alternate History
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:30:55 -0400
<snip Texas desc.>

> What do you think? Feasable? Better/Worse the BBB material?

I like the idea, but I'm not sure how realistic it is... but then again, I'm
still a little unsure as to the realism of the UCAS/CAS seperation. If TFS
did seperate like CFS did, however, I'd bet the Azzies wouldn't have snagged
that much of Texas... if the Texans as a nation had allowed Austin as a nat'l
capital to go, there'd probably be nothing to stop the Azzies from running
all the way up to Lousiana...

> D.Ghost



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Message no. 3
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Texas Free State Alternate History
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:51:10 -0500
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:30:55 -0400 Geoff Morochnick
<bodiam@**********.COM> writes:
><snip Texas desc.>
>
>> What do you think? Feasable? Better/Worse the BBB material?
>
>I like the idea, but I'm not sure how realistic it is... but then again,
I'm
>still a little unsure as to the realism of the UCAS/CAS seperation.

Same here, but oh well ... :)

>If TFS
>did seperate like CFS did, however, I'd bet the Azzies wouldn't have
snagged
>that much of Texas... if the Texans as a nation had allowed Austin as a
nat'l
>capital to go, there'd probably be nothing to stop the Azzies from
running
>all the way up to Lousiana...
>
>> D.Ghost
>
>
>
>--
>Geoff
<SNIP Sig>

Except that Aztlan got the chunk of Aztlan as part of the Treaty of
Denver ... I looked that up because I wanted to make it into a very fuzzy
border ... IMO, as a Free State / CAS Ally, Texas doesn't want to *START*
anything with Aztlan but is waiting for Aztlan to start something so that
they have an excuse to tkae back Texas! :)

D.Ghost
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Message no. 4
From: Geoff Morochnick <bodiam@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Texas Free State Alternate History
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:10:32 -0400
<snip>

> Except that Aztlan got the chunk of Aztlan as part of the Treaty of
> Denver ... I looked that up because I wanted to make it into a very fuzzy
> border ...

Hmmm... you're right. I was almosy positive I had read somewhere (I thought
something canon, maybe it was the online timeline...) that Atzlan had
attacked the CAS and was only repulsed after they had taken Austin, but they
were unable to push northwards past Houston... does this sound at all
familiar?

> IMO, as a Free State / CAS Ally, Texas doesn't want to *START*
> anything with Aztlan but is waiting for Aztlan to start something so that
> they have an excuse to tkae back Texas! :)

Oh, but of course.... except for the fact that the CAS might not give Texas
the full backing as an ally that they would as a state, and the Texan Gov't
knows it, I'd agree 100%.

> D.Ghost

Now looking through all the materials he has for that Austin/Houston thing,
--
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microscopically thin line between being brilliantly creative
and acting like the most gigantic idiot on earth. So what
the hell, leap."
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Message no. 5
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Texas Free State Alternate History
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:29:03 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-22 10:58:50 EDT, you write:

> Instead of what's in the BBB, Texas & the CAS seperated from the UCAS
> during the treaty of Denver ... Texas exists much like California but
> better off ... (Sorry, but FASA screwed California over :/ ) ... While
> California is bordered on by Aztlan and the Tir who want in and
> completely cut off from the UCAS and CAS, Texas only needs to fend off
> Aztlan and is on decnt terms with the UCAS and very good terms with the
> CAS (talks of a merger are always in the works) ... The area close to the
> Texas/Aztlan border, outside of major cities is a no-man's land getting
> better quickly as you travel east ... If trouble arises with Aztlan,
> Texas can count on the CAS's support and vice versa ... Texas is doing
> well partly because of the presence of large oil reserves ... Also, both
> Texas A&M (Texas A&M&M is a really Lame ass name, IMO ... personally, I
> don't think the name would have changed ...) and tu (guess which one I
> attended ... damn Aggies ... ;) have strong thaumaturgical studies
> departments and give TFS a great deal of magical resources ...
>
> What do you think? Feasable? Better/Worse the BBB material?

As an unwilling Texan, I rather dislike it. a few reasons:

1) By the time Texas and the CAS seceeded, Aztechnology had a pretty tight
grip on Aztlan (I believe). No matter how much piss and vinegar Texans are
full of (a huge amount... take a walk through downtown Houston, and about all
you smell is piss and vinegar and oil refineries), no matter how good the
eATMe and TU thaumaturgy departments are, the Azzies would roll over them if
they were alone.

2) Having just seceeded, the CAS wouldn't be in much shape to help... and the
UCAS wouldn't because they've only recently finished fighting the NAN...
besides, Texas didn't want them before, so why should they help now... unless
Texas is willing to rejoin.

3) Aztechnology. I realize that Texas may have inherited a lot of UCAS tech,
but most of that is going to have seen a large part of a war, while
Aztechnology will still be pumping stuff out... not to mention their apparent
possession of some magical knowledge that its going to take eATMe a while to
match.

In short, Texas would likely lose a lot more than half of San Antonio (and
points south)... I would say losing everything up to Dallas wouldn't be
unlikely, and it all wouldn't be inconcievable.

Nexx
Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Texas Free State Alternate History
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:44:02 -0500
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:10:32 -0400
From: Geoff Morochnick <bodiam@**********.COM>

><snip>
>
>> Except that Aztlan got the chunk of Aztlan as part of the Treaty of
>> Denver ... I looked that up because I wanted to make it into a very
fuzzy
>> border ...

>Hmmm... you're right. I was almosy positive I had read somewhere (I
thought
>something canon, maybe it was the online timeline...) that Atzlan had
>attacked the CAS and was only repulsed after they had taken Austin, but
they
>were unable to push northwards past Houston... does this sound at all
>familiar?

Nope, Sorry :)

>> IMO, as a Free State / CAS Ally, Texas doesn't want to *START*
>> anything with Aztlan but is waiting for Aztlan to start something so
that
>> they have an excuse to tkae back Texas! :)

>Oh, but of course.... except for the fact that the CAS might not give
Texas
>the full backing as an ally that they would as a state, and the Texan
Gov't
>knows it, I'd agree 100%.
>
<SNIP>
>
>Now looking through all the materials he has for that Austin/Houston
thing,
>--
>Stonebow
<SNIP SIg>

I would say that

1) TFS (Texas Free State) would still have a great deal of resources that
UCAS & CAS both want.

2) NAN would keep Aztlan from moving in (until Aztlan splits.)

3) By time Aztlan splits, TFS has good relationships developed with UCAS
and CAS.

4) TFS would get real buddy-buddy with UCAS or CAS (doesn't matter which
one, but let's say CAS) and by 205x, their seperation may be little more
than a technicality.

I'm not trying to make Texas into the super state that fought to the
death for the Alamo and would do it again... I'm just trying to make a
different history that isn't as silly as the one in the BBB. :)

D. Ghost
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Message no. 7
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Texas Free State Alternate History
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:28:57 EDT
In a message dated 17/08/98 01:55:18 Central Daylight Time, dghost@****.COM
writes:

> I'm not trying to make Texas into the super state that fought to the
> death for the Alamo and would do it again... I'm just trying to make a
> different history that isn't as silly as the one in the BBB. :)

On problem with SR history that I see is they went heavily retro... suddenly,
the advent of magic made everyone want to be what they were 3000 years ago...
on in the case of Americans, 150 years ago. Sure, you would have a lot of
people who would do this... perhaps even the majority, in the case of Amerinds
and other native peoples... but FASA took it with a lot of nations to an
absurd extreme. German became as balkanized as it was during the Holy Roman
Empire, Scotland suddenly disappeared amongst the trees, and Ireland became a
land of faeries and magic. If one of these instances were to suddenly happen,
it would make sense. But all of them together seems weird... like instead of
having history simply turn to resemble itself, they grabbed the threads of the
nations and made them all loop back to some odd point in their history...
Message no. 8
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Texas Free State Alternate History
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:34:59 EDT
In a message dated 17/08/98 02:29:38 Central Daylight Time, Nexx3@***.COM
writes:

> But all of them together seems weird... like instead of
> having history simply turn to resemble itself, they grabbed the threads of
> the
> nations and made them all loop back to some odd point in their history...
>

I just read that part and realized I was talking my own personal theory about
history... oops.

Nexx

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