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Message no. 1
From: John Fox <johnf@*****.EDU>
Subject: Thanksgiving and Religion
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 14:56:40 -0600
Hello,
I made a joke post about the Pilgrims fleeing from a too Catholic
England and got two "serious" replies. To clear it up, I was sayign
England was too Catholic becuase in my mind the difference between
Anglicans/Church of England/Episcopalians and Catholics is not that much.
Henry VIII really had no beef with Catholic ceremonies. he just wanted
a new wife and control of the church.

The Pilgrims, and other Puritans, objected to the rigamarole going on in
Church. They thought priests were getting to fancy and above the people.
Puritans/Pilgrims hated all Catholics. In fact, in Massachusetts "popery"
or "papism" was punishable by death, at least at first.

This is not meant to be a flame of any religion...

John Fox
johnf@*****.edu
Message no. 2
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@********.CLARK.NET>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving and Religion
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 21:48:34 -0500
On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, John Fox wrote:

> This is not meant to be a flame of any religion...
>
religion can be a very touchy subject that can stir up some real heavy
duty feelings in people...[personally i saw the humor in what you wrote
and certainly took no offense]
------------------------------------GRANITE
Message no. 3
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving and Religion
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 15:46:15 GMT
> The Pilgrims, and other Puritans, objected to the rigamarole going on in
> Church. They thought priests were getting to fancy and above the people.
> Puritans/Pilgrims hated all Catholics. In fact, in Massachusetts "popery"
> or "papism" was punishable by death, at least at first.
>
> This is not meant to be a flame of any religion...

Well I checked with a friend of mine doing history and this is fairly accurate.
According to this lad, the pilgrims were all puritans. The puritans did indeed
leave England because of religious oppression but not from the Catholics as
far as I can see, from the Protestants. Now in case you're wondering Puritans
were a type of Protestant, except that they thought anything that allowed you
to enjoy yourself was wrong and you had to keep yourself pure until you went
to heaven where you could enjoy yourself.

Phill.
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Message no. 4
From: Julian M Wiffen <ne95003@******.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving and Religion
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 11:16:45 +0000
There's a school of thought that us Brits should celebrate thanksgiving
as well - to celebrate getting rid of all those boring puritans .......
Message no. 5
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving and Religion
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 15:08:32 GMT
> There's a school of thought that us Brits should celebrate thanksgiving
> as well - to celebrate getting rid of all those boring puritans .......

He, he I like it, trouble is, if we did that we couldn't make all those jokes
about Americans having no culture and having to borrow Europe's. Just imagine,
we take an American celebration and incorporate it in English culture, ugghhh,
next we'd be celebrating American independance day, <UGGGHHH>.

Phill.
--
Phillip Steele - Email address P.C.Steele@***.ac.uk | An Uzi a day keeps the
Department Of Electrical & Electronic Engineering | politicians at bay O O
University Of Newcastle Upon Tyne, England | |
Land of the mad Geordies | The Powerhouse \_/
Message no. 6
From: Christina Johnson <johnson1@**.UWP.EDU>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving and Religion
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 11:31:55 -0600
On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, Julian M Wiffen wrote:

> There's a school of thought that us Brits should celebrate thanksgiving
> as well - to celebrate getting rid of all those boring puritans .......

Ah. You got rid of them long before they came here. Remember... they
were camping out in the icey countries for a while. But, they couldn't
take the 'enforced' behaviour there, either, and didn't like the fact that
their kids were growing up like the kids around them.

Guess buckskin was more appealing.

Christina M. Johnson, University of WI, Parkside, Kenosha johnson1@**.uwp.edu
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Message no. 7
From: James Charles Hall <jch8169@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving and Religion
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 04:08:35 -0600
> There's a school of thought that us Brits should celebrate thanksgiving
> as well - to celebrate getting rid of all those boring puritans .......
>
As I believe the Powerhouse suggested, the reason most Puritans left England
was due to oppression (an over-used term in contemporary society) by the
ruling Protestants. True, the Puritans were for many activities for the
stifling of "fun", but the actual term Puritan was due to their desire to
"purify" the Anglican Church of its retained Catholic ceremonies. Their
objections were not doctrinal. However, the previous comment may shed some
light upon their decidedly dim view of "popery."

Naturally, as far as the establishment was concerned, these dissenting yahoos
were stirring up trouble with what many considered to be a non-issue.

King James I tolerated them, at best. His son, however, Charles I, promised to
"harry them out of the land." Hence, many measures were taken against them,
causing many to seek refuge in other countries--initially, Holland, traditional
destination of refugees of many kinds--and later, America.


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Message no. 8
From: Julian M Wiffen <ne95003@******.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving and Religion
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 18:56:25 +0000
On Thu, 25 Nov 1993, James Charles Hall wrote:

>
> > There's a school of thought that us Brits should celebrate thanksgiving
> > as well - to celebrate getting rid of all those boring puritans .......
> >
> As I believe the Powerhouse suggested, the reason most Puritans left England
> was due to oppression (an over-used term in contemporary society) by the
> ruling Protestants. True, the Puritans were for many activities for the
> stifling of "fun", but the actual term Puritan was due to their desire to
> "purify" the Anglican Church of its retained Catholic ceremonies. Their
> objections were not doctrinal. However, the previous comment may shed some
> light upon their decidedly dim view of "popery."
>
> Naturally, as far as the establishment was concerned, these dissenting yahoos
> were stirring up trouble with what many considered to be a non-issue.
>
> King James I tolerated them, at best. His son, however, Charles I, promised
to
> "harry them out of the land." Hence, many measures were taken against
them,
> causing many to seek refuge in other countries--initially, Holland,
traditional
> destination of refugees of many kinds--and later, America.
>
>
> Colonel Count von Hohenzollern und von Doom, DMSc, DSc,
PhD.
>
> Doom Technologies & Weapon Systems -- Dark Thought
Publications
> >>> Working on solutions best left in the dark.
<<<
> [ Doctor Doom : jch8169@******.tamu.edu
]
>
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> "Attack, attack, and when in doubt, ATTACK!" -- Frederick the Great of
Prussia

In case you didn't notice, IT WAS A JOKE!!!!


- (it's called sarcasm btw)
(The previous parenthesised comment is also sarcastic, as this this one -
but I could go on indefinitely with this kind of logic)

Julian

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