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Message no. 1
From: J. Keith Henry neojudas@******************.com
Subject: The dangers of stats (Was Re: Looking for info on famous decker - and short rant)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:26:43 -0500
From: "Joshua Ring" <strago@***.com>
Subject: The dangers of stats (Was Re: Looking for info on famous decker -
and short rant)


> > Hey, don't thank me yet... for all I know he's in that book and I just
read
> > right over his name. Besides, there's a long term comment I seem to
recall.
> > "If you give it stats, the players can kill it."
>
> That's right. It's why the dragons are so much cooler in SR than they were
in
> D&D. One of my friends actually bitched about that. He wanted to kill
Lofwyr.
> Really. And he wanted to figure out how long he'd have to wait until he'd
be
> able to . . . and my comment of "Never" wasn't well received until the GM
picked
> up all the dice we were using, said "This is his body, but if you actually
> injure him I roll them all again and again and again until there's no use
in you
> trying. And then there's his 3 million Karma pool."

Okay, now even *I* don't have to resort to extremes like these for something
like Lofwyr. In fact, I had a group that had really gotten irked off by the
dragon and proceeding to start a campaign against him. They started doing
jobs specifically against the dragons holdings.

All was going expectedly (rough, but relatively successful) until they
landed a meeting with a Mr. Saunderson. Mr. Saunderson was merely an alias
that was taken of course by Lofwyr himself. He had decided the party was
resourceful and had potential, but were merely "misunderstanding" events
they were unaware of. The meeting went well, they did some jobs without
knowing what was going on until their eyes (aka; their POV of the "problems
with the dragon") had successfully rearranged enough to turn them into
assets.

In the "end", they were informed by Saunderson/Lofwyr of the truth and
basically left to spin in their boot-prints.

I do recall a group trying to destroy Lofwyr in another game, but having
their butts handed to them because they didn't pay attention to the dragon
that was using a small laser-designator/FDDM system to call in help with tec
hno-precision and be ultimately annoying without barely breaking a sweat and
getting in some additional flying time (particularly nice day with a good
breeze from the south... ;-).

I don't know, I'm not saying its *impossible* to beat Lofwyr, I just think
it would take a hell of a lot of shoehorning and hard-ass role-playing
before I'd allow something on that scale.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
J. Keith Henry ("K", "NeoJudas")
Hoosier Hacker House (www.hoosierhackerhouse.com)
Message no. 2
From: Augustus shadowrun@********.net
Subject: The dangers of stats (Was Re: Looking for info on famous decker - and short rant)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:49:55 -0800
----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Ring <strago@***.com>

> No, I mean the player was pissed and so he wanted to march his character
into
> the head Saedar-Krupp offices in Germany and kill everyone until Lofwyr
showed
> himself at which point his "nifty physadness" (his words) would come out
after
> his initiations and then he'd proceed to beat Lofwyr down one-on-one in
combat.

Yeah... really sounds like the guy was going the "cry baby" route there...
I've had a few players do that in the past... though usually they wanna do
something to bugger up the storyline because "its not going their way"
Message no. 3
From: Wordman wordman@*******.com
Subject: The dangers of stats (Was Re: Looking for info on famous decker - and short rant)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:21:34 -0500
> > From: "Ryan "uR|Uller" Myers" <rmyers@**.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Looking for info on famous decker - and short rant
> > Besides, there's a long term comment I seem to recall.
> > "If you give it stats, the players can kill it."

Not if the stats you give it are from Primal Order. Wizards of the Coast
refuses to reprint or sell it, but it is the best system for extremely
powerful beings (like gods, for example) ever made.

Wordman

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