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Message no. 1
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: The definitive answer about dollars and Nuys. I hope.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:40:32 -0500
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> From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
>
> But that means that a middle lifestyle costs $60,000 (!!!) per
year
> to maintain, in modern US dollars, for a single person. That's utterly
> insane. A bachelor who earns $50,000/year can only afford a low
lifestyle?
> That doesn't work for me.

I've always seen lifestyle prices as generalizations to make the game go
easier, so your players actually have to spend money for food, clothing,
and an apartment, without having to spend a huge amount of time
house-hunting and gong shopping. Likely, the bachelor who makes $50,000 a
year does live what he considers a middle lifestyle, but his car is a
couple years older and he eats a bit more Nutria-Soy than natural food.
Still a middle lifestyle, but not quite what was described.
Message no. 2
From: Micheal Feeney <Starrngr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: The definitive answer about dollars and Nuys. I hope.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:17:42 EDT
In a message dated 98-09-15 10:43:46 EDT, you write:

<<
I've always seen lifestyle prices as generalizations to make the game go
easier, so your players actually have to spend money for food, clothing,
and an apartment, without having to spend a huge amount of time
house-hunting and gong shopping. Likely, the bachelor who makes $50,000 a
year does live what he considers a middle lifestyle, but his car is a
couple years older and he eats a bit more Nutria-Soy than natural food.
Still a middle lifestyle, but not quite what was described.
>>

I was talking to a couple of engineer relatives who both make about $50k a
year and they both felt they were middle class. Even with both incoms
together, they felt they were still only up at the top of the middle income
backet. And Personally, I earn less than $12,000 a year and I would qualify
myself as "low" lifestyle.....
Message no. 3
From: XaOs <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: The definitive answer about dollars and Nuys. I hope.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:27:02 -0500
> house-hunting and gong shopping. Likely, the bachelor who makes $50,000 a
> year does live what he considers a middle lifestyle, but his car is a
> couple years older and he eats a bit more Nutria-Soy than natural food.
> Still a middle lifestyle, but not quite what was described.

This is insane. I live pretty well off of around $30k a year. I can't even
imagine a 66% increase in my income. I own a fairly nice car (well, a loan
on it. :). I live in a moderately nice apartment. I eat out most of the
time, I splurge on things that I don't need once in a while. I have a pretty
expensive computer, etc. I have probably a tad more debt than I'd prefer,
but that's mostly my fault, not my salary. $50,000 is hardly low middle
lifestyle.

In fact, if I made those wages, I'd probably be free of most of my debt and
on my way to buying a house.

-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
Message no. 4
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: The definitive answer about dollars and Nuys. I hope.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:35:04 -0400
> This is insane. I live pretty well off of around $30k a year. I can't even
> imagine a 66% increase in my income. I own a fairly nice car (well, a loan
> on it. :). I live in a moderately nice apartment. I eat out most of the
> time, I splurge on things that I don't need once in a while. I have a pretty
> expensive computer, etc. I have probably a tad more debt than I'd prefer,
> but that's mostly my fault, not my salary. $50,000 is hardly low middle
> lifestyle.
>
> In fact, if I made those wages, I'd probably be free of most of my debt and
> on my way to buying a house.

It does depend a great deal on where you live. I'm guessing you're
not in California. Here in Atlanta, I'm paying $650/month for a two-bedroom
townhouse (decent on the inside, but in an upper-lower class pocket on the
edge of an upper-middle/lower-upper class district). Folks in CA tell me the
same would cost over twice as much in the Bay area.

--Sean
Message no. 5
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: The definitive answer about dollars and Nuys. I hope.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:57:44 -0400
Sean McCrohan wrote:
It does depend a great deal on where you live. I'm guessing
you're
> not in California. Here in Atlanta, I'm paying $650/month for a two-bedroom
> townhouse (decent on the inside, but in an upper-lower class pocket on the
> edge of an upper-middle/lower-upper class district). Folks in CA tell me the
> same would cost over twice as much in the Bay area.
>
> --Sean

I can get an apartment for half that here in Fall River. But in Boston,
it would be more than twice that. It does depend where you live. Where I
am, my parents make about 35K a year (american), and we're middle-middle
class, AFAIK.
BTW, if I go back to Atlanta sometime when I'm NOT stuck on a layover
gone horribly wrong, can I come visit you? :P I WOULD like to get back
to Atlanta. Seemed like a nice place.


--Jett

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Message no. 6
From: Steve Collins <einan@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: The definitive answer about dollars and Nuys. I hope.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:49:38 -0400
>Sean McCrohan wrote:
> It does depend a great deal on where you live. I'm guessing
>you're
>> not in California. Here in Atlanta, I'm paying $650/month for a two-bedroom
>> townhouse (decent on the inside, but in an upper-lower class pocket on the
>> edge of an upper-middle/lower-upper class district). Folks in CA tell me the
>> same would cost over twice as much in the Bay area.
>>
>> --Sean
>
>I can get an apartment for half that here in Fall River. But in Boston,
>it would be more than twice that. It does depend where you live. Where I
>am, my parents make about 35K a year (american), and we're middle-middle
>class, AFAIK.

Fall River, I feel Sorry for you. Of course growing up and living in in
Lowell till 3 months ago I guess I shouldn't talk :).

>BTW, if I go back to Atlanta sometime when I'm NOT stuck on a layover
>gone horribly wrong, can I come visit you? :P I WOULD like to get back
>to Atlanta. Seemed like a nice place.
>

I Just moved to Atlanta feel free to stop by.

Steve

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