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Message no. 1
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: The matrix (movie) [definate spoilers, technical review]
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:58:01 -0500
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:It is quite possible that Computers have figured out a way to use the
:energy from humans to create light sources to grow food for the
:batteries. Remembering that computers see us as though we move as
:fast as rocks, and in the last 100 years our advancements have been
:incredible. Imagine what they could have done.


According to the laws of thermodynamics, they could NOT produce enough
food to feed the humans using only the energy the humans produce. It simply
can not be done, regardless of technical refinement. No free lunch, no
perpetual motion machine. Producing food always requires more energy than
the food consumer can output, jusy as charging a battery always requires
more enrgy than the battery can produce.

:The thing that annoyed me a little is that the computers havent
:figured out a way to clear the sky in 200 years, and they havent
:launched any computers into the sky to collect solar energy and send
:it back. All possible for my way of thinking.


That's been my point all along- not only does the matrix serve no point
(enrgy production wise), but the AI's obviously had other, easier, WORKABLE,
non-human using energy producing alternatives they could have constructed;
given the effort that went into keeping the Neo-Cell "batteries" hooked up
in there huge cites of techno-pods, they could easily have constructed some
other system, or more effeciently utilized the energy they did have.

Persoanlly, I expect that the matrix is a human constructed project gone
wrong, and that the machines are still acting on some perverted version of
thier original programming. I mean, given that its energy producing
potential is actually an energy drain, who but (some of) the humans has
anything to gain from the matrix, unless the robots actually "enjoy" keeping
the Neo-Cells around?
But I suppose the idea that humans would construct a system
technological control that enslaves the many for the benefit of the few and
severs all ties to the natural world (or simply provides them the
opportunity to feel superior to the masses, despite the fact that it is an
illusion) is unlikely compared to the evolution of hyper intelligent machine
consciousness that can't understand the laws of thermodynamics. {^_~}

Mongoose
Message no. 2
From: Keldon Mor Keldon@********.net
Subject: The matrix (movie) [definate spoilers, technical review]
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:22:08 -0500
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> According to the laws of thermodynamics, they could NOT produce enough
> food to feed the humans using only the energy the humans produce. It
simply
> can not be done, regardless of technical refinement. No free lunch, no
> perpetual motion machine. Producing food always requires more energy than
> the food consumer can output, jusy as charging a battery always requires
> more enrgy than the battery can produce.
>

They did say that the humans combined with Some Form of Fusion energy was
used.... Perhaps the Humans only serve as a starter for the fusion power in
some way.... Also, the machines may have AI but perhaps they are lacking in
creativity and new ideas, putting them in the Matrix gives the computers a
way to work/interact with the humans without them knowing, if you knew you
were a slave, would you work for them???

Peace,
Keldon@********.net
http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/keldon
Message no. 3
From: Michael Broadwater neon@*******.edu
Subject: The matrix (movie) [definate spoilers, technical review]
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:21:27 -0500
Mongoose wrote:
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> :It is quite possible that Computers have figured out a way to use the
> :energy from humans to create light sources to grow food for the
> :batteries. Remembering that computers see us as though we move as
> :fast as rocks, and in the last 100 years our advancements have been
> :incredible. Imagine what they could have done.
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> According to the laws of thermodynamics, they could NOT produce enough
> food to feed the humans using only the energy the humans produce. It simply
> can not be done, regardless of technical refinement. No free lunch, no
> perpetual motion machine. Producing food always requires more energy than
> the food consumer can output, jusy as charging a battery always requires
> more enrgy than the battery can produce.

This is true. But we also mine coal for use as an energy source. Why?
Because we put into it energy that can't power a blender, and burn it to
boil water, turn a turbine and get energy that we can use. Feeding
humans liquefied human intravenously?) to harness heat energy created
isn't perpetual motion, it's taking the energy stored in the "food",
putting it through something that can process it into a useable form.
In this case, heat. The liquefied human can't be burned for heat, but
it can be used to generate heat energy.

There are bunches of things about The Matrix that could be changed or
done better. This is just one of many questions.

Mike Broadwater
"Someday you win, someday you lose, and someday, it rains." -- Bull
Durham

p.s. If this comes out formatted all funky or with any kind of
attachment, please tell me.
Message no. 4
From: Trunks Ryuko kawaii@********.org
Subject: The matrix (movie) [definate spoilers, technical review] (fwd)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:24:06 -0400 (EDT)
They aren't feeding them food. They are feeding them the dead bodies of
humans who have been liquified. Hence it works. In theory.

-kawaii

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:It is quite possible that Computers have figured out a way to use the
:energy from humans to create light sources to grow food for the
:batteries. Remembering that computers see us as though we move as
:fast as rocks, and in the last 100 years our advancements have been
:incredible. Imagine what they could have done.


According to the laws of thermodynamics, they could NOT produce enough
food to feed the humans using only the energy the humans produce. It simply
can not be done, regardless of technical refinement. No free lunch, no
perpetual motion machine. Producing food always requires more energy than
the food consumer can output, jusy as charging a battery always requires
more enrgy than the battery can produce.

:The thing that annoyed me a little is that the computers havent
:figured out a way to clear the sky in 200 years, and they havent
:launched any computers into the sky to collect solar energy and send
:it back. All possible for my way of thinking.


That's been my point all along- not only does the matrix serve no point
(enrgy production wise), but the AI's obviously had other, easier, WORKABLE,
non-human using energy producing alternatives they could have constructed;
given the effort that went into keeping the Neo-Cell "batteries" hooked up
in there huge cites of techno-pods, they could easily have constructed some
other system, or more effeciently utilized the energy they did have.

Persoanlly, I expect that the matrix is a human constructed project gone
wrong, and that the machines are still acting on some perverted version of
thier original programming. I mean, given that its energy producing
potential is actually an energy drain, who but (some of) the humans has
anything to gain from the matrix, unless the robots actually "enjoy" keeping
the Neo-Cells around?
But I suppose the idea that humans would construct a system
technological control that enslaves the many for the benefit of the few and
severs all ties to the natural world (or simply provides them the
opportunity to feel superior to the masses, despite the fact that it is an
illusion) is unlikely compared to the evolution of hyper intelligent machine
consciousness that can't understand the laws of thermodynamics. {^_~}

Mongoose
Message no. 5
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: The matrix (movie) [definate spoilers, technical review]
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:17:06 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Trunks Ryuko."

<snip kawaii's remarks about the Matrix>

Kinda defeated the purpose of all that spoiler space down there,
don't you think? Please append your text to the end of the message :)

-Murder of One

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