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Message no. 1
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:09:57 EDT
I wonder what FASA is cooking up for the next Thing Man Was Not Meant To
Know? With the bugs gone (coolest monster idea ever, without a doubt) and
the Enemy gone bye-bye, what's next? We need some new upstart like UB for
the new SR edition. Some new mystery and challenge, some new terrifying
threat to destroy the hopes and dreams of PCs in a gush of blood. Oh,
yesssss.......

Mike was speaking of a Threats 2, but I'd like to see the new TMWNMTO getting
its own product rather than stuck in among the others. Maybe it's just me,
but I'd like to see a new type of insect spirit too. Maybe that could go in
T2: Threat's Day. (J/k)




-Twist
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Message no. 2
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:47:34 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Twist0059@***.com."
] Mike was speaking of a Threats 2, but I'd like to see the new TMWNMTO
getting
] its own product rather than stuck in among the others. Maybe it's just me,
] but I'd like to see a new type of insect spirit too. Maybe that
could go in
] T2: Threat's Day. (J/k)

Like Centipedes, or Bumblebees (hits you once, then dies), orEarwigs
(aauuughhh!!!), or those weird "armadillo" bugs, or Walking Sticks
("Hey, there's a tree in my bedroom..."), or Fleas!
Actually, after attempting to deal with my kittens' new flea problem,
I was ruminating on the possibility of Flea Spirits...they'd be crazy!
They certainly wouldn't have had a problem with the CZ wall, that's fer
sure. BOING!

Okay, now The Point of the Post. I just got Threats, and am now
interested in that whole thread about "They gave us the threat and then
wrote about it." So, not having read more than five novels, I'd love
to know in what FASA products the various threats have been confirmed
as existing?

(ooh, ooh, spoiler space!)






















1) Alamos 20,000 - confirmed in the main book, really, sort of. Maybe
the major conspiracy part hasn't been confirmed?
2) Mr. Darke - Harlequin's Back, it says so right in Threats.
3) Winternight - ?
4) The Ordo Maximus - some novel, don't know which one.
5) Halberstam's Babies - ?
6) KSAF - Well, they exist. And Corporate Download talks about them
losing their edge since Dunk died (or is it New Seattle?).
7) The Atlantean Foundation - ?
8) Lofwyr - Well gee...I think I believe in him.
9) Evolved Bugs - ?
10) Blood Mage Gestalt - ?
11) The Black Lodge - ?
12) The Human Nation - ?
13) Tutor - ?
14) FAB III - Target: UCAS, MitS.

So if someone could fill in the question marks with the appropriate
confirming literature, I'd be really happy. Thanks very much!

-Murder of One
Message no. 3
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:16:40 +0200
According to Twist0059@***.com, at 12:09 on 25 Jul 99, the word on
the street was...

> I wonder what FASA is cooking up for the next Thing Man Was Not Meant To
> Know? With the bugs gone (coolest monster idea ever, without a doubt)

How do you figure that? Insect spirits are definitely still around, FASA
just doesn't focus on them anymore.

> and the Enemy gone bye-bye, what's next? We need some new upstart like
> UB for the new SR edition. Some new mystery and challenge, some new
> terrifying threat to destroy the hopes and dreams of PCs in a gush of
> blood. Oh, yesssss.......

I didn't think it was such a big secret what is going to happen (roughly)
in SR next year...

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Message no. 4
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:17:14 CST
>From: Scott Wheelock <iscottw@*****.nb.ca>
> Okay, now The Point of the Post. I just got Threats, and am now
>interested in that whole thread about "They gave us the threat and then
>wrote about it." So, not having read more than five novels, I'd love
>to know in what FASA products the various threats have been confirmed
>as existing?
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>1) Alamos 20,000 - confirmed in the main book, really, sort of. Maybe
>the major conspiracy part hasn't been confirmed?

Mentioned in a few books, but never dealt with.

>2) Mr. Darke - Harlequin's Back, it says so right in Threats.

Dead, see the DHS. His dissapearance was mentioned in Corporate Download.

>3) Winternight - ?

Never dealt with AKAIK. A few mentions in sourcebooks, but nada ion novels.
(Although Steve Kenson's novel Ragnorok may deal with them somewhat.)

>4) The Ordo Maximus - some novel, don't know which one.

The Teminus Experiment. Although the novel didn't kill them off.

>5) Halberstam's Babies - ?

Mentioned in Psychtrope. An AI is mad at him.

>6) KSAF - Well, they exist. And Corporate Download talks about them
>losing their edge since Dunk died (or is it New Seattle?).

New Seattle I think (I got them both at the same time so...)

>7) The Atlantean Foundation - ?

Not much.

>8) Lofwyr - Well gee...I think I believe in him.

Are you sure..... :). Actually, I think Kenson's new novel is supposed to
have him in it too.

>9) Evolved Bugs - ?

Not much....

>10) Blood Mage Gestalt - ?

Dead in the DHS.

>11) The Black Lodge - ?

Not much.

>12) The Human Nation - ?
Mentioned in Psychtrope (one of the deckers, a ghoul (???) was up for
leadership.)

>13) Tutor - ?

Nada

>14) FAB III - Target: UCAS, MitS.

That's all I think.



Geoff Haacke
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Message no. 5
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:16:15 EDT
In a message dated 7/25/99 12:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
iscottw@*****.nb.ca writes:

> 1) Alamos 20,000 - confirmed in the main book, really, sort of. Maybe
> the major conspiracy part hasn't been confirmed?
> 2) Mr. Darke - Harlequin's Back, it says so right in Threats.
> 3) Winternight - ? (God chips end up in Cyberpirates.)
> 4) The Ordo Maximus - some novel, don't know which one. (Terminus.)
> 5) Halberstam's Babies - ? (Pyschotrope.)
> 6) KSAF - Well, they exist. And Corporate Download talks about them
> losing their edge since Dunk died (or is it New Seattle?).
> 7) The Atlantean Foundation - ? (DHS.)
> 8) Lofwyr - Well gee...I think I believe in him.
> 9) Evolved Bugs - ? (The Secret Hive suggests that this is the way the
bugs are evolving. But at least that came in a sourcebook.)
> 10) Blood Mage Gestalt - ? (DHS. <shudder>)
> 11) The Black Lodge - ? (Mits.)
> 12) The Human Nation - ? (Psychotrope.)
> 13) Tutor - ? (This is the one threat I don't think has been used yet.
Look for it in an upcoming novel, if the trend holds.)
> 14) FAB III - Target: UCAS, MitS.
>
> So if someone could fill in the question marks with the appropriate
> confirming literature, I'd be really happy. Thanks very much!
>
> -Murder of One
Message no. 6
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
> > Okay, now The Point of the Post. I just got Threats, and am now
interested in that whole thread about "They gave us the threat and then
wrote about it." So, not having read more than five novels, I'd love
to know in what FASA products the various threats have been confirmed
as existing?
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Maybe the major conspiracy part hasn't been confirmed?
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> Mentioned in a few books, but never dealt with.

Alamos definitely exists. The members are a mystery. These are the guys
you use if you want a racist hammer. For a racist scalpel, you want
Human Nation.

> >2) Mr. Darke - Harlequin's Back, it says so right
> in Threats.
>
> Dead, see the DHS. His dissapearance was mentioned in Corporate
Download.

Which means that HE is dead - but that doesn't mean there won't be
ANOTHER Darke. You think the Horrors are going to give up that easily?

> >4) The Ordo Maximus - some novel, don't know which
> one.
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> The Teminus Experiment. Although the novel didn't
> kill them off.

Don't forget the mention in Cybertechnology. Can you imagine dealing
with vampires AND cyberzombies? No thanks!

> >6) KSAF - Well, they exist. And Corporate Download
> talks about them
> >losing their edge since Dunk died (or is it New
> Seattle?).
>
> New Seattle I think (I got them both at the same
> time so...)

New Seattle. I've read that, but I haven't got my hands on Corp
Download yet.

> >10) Blood Mage Gestalt - ?
>
> Dead in the DHS.

Not exactly. IIRC, one of the gestalts has been destroyed - probably
the most powerful. I also understand that there are multiple gestalts.
Now, I could be wrong, but even if I was, and even if all the gestalts
were destroyed in DHS, Aztechnology still knows how to set them up.

These guys could make good recurring bad guys, although you wouldn't
want to overuse it. I mean, put starting characters up against a
starting gestalt. After a while they get the satisfaction of doing them
in. But that annoys the first gestalt's bosses - who ALSO happen to
make up a gestalt...

> >12) The Human Nation - ?
> Mentioned in Psychtrope (one of the deckers, a ghoul
> (???) was up for leadership.)

Yuss - one of those ghouls who hides it. As always, with the
organisations mentioned in Threats, even when they have been seen in
the novels, there's so much more you can still do with them.

*Doc' sets up a tag team wrestling match between Lofwyr and the
Atlantean Foundation vs. Mr. Darke's successor and the Blood Mage
Gestalt...bets, anyone?*
==Doc'
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Message no. 7
From: Jeremy Baker meroeandjeremy@*******.com.au
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:53:15 +1000
>*Doc' sets up a tag team wrestling match between Lofwyr and the
>Atlantean Foundation vs. Mr. Darke's successor and the Blood Mage
>Gestalt...bets, anyone?*


No Brainer. Lofwyr and the Atlanteans, with their eyes shut. If you
could get them to work together unconditionally.
I am sure you could get the other team together more easily.

JB.
Message no. 8
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:20:32 CST
>From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
> > >
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>the most powerful. I also understand that there are multiple gestalts.
>Now, I could be wrong, but even if I was, and even if all the gestalts
>were destroyed in DHS, Aztechnology still knows how to set them up.
>
>These guys could make good recurring bad guys, although you wouldn't
>want to overuse it. I mean, put starting characters up against a
>starting gestalt. After a while they get the satisfaction of doing them
>in. But that annoys the first gestalt's bosses - who ALSO happen to
>make up a gestalt...

Ahhh, but if you have read Corporate Download (which you haven't ;P). Then
you would know that there seems to be a new policy wrt blood mages. They
are on the outs politically. My theory is that they were Darke's (Oscuro's)
pet project, and when he cacked it, the new power players didn't want to
continue them. This doesn't mean that they still are not a threat, just not
quite as great of one.

>*Doc' sets up a tag team wrestling match between Lofwyr and the
>Atlantean Foundation vs. Mr. Darke's successor and the Blood Mage
>Gestalt...bets, anyone?*

I say it's the Ordo Maximus with the pin after storming the ring. :)

>==>Doc'
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Message no. 9
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:25:11 -0400 (EDT)
> mmmmmmm. spoiler space.

Does it taste as good as organised crime?

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the most powerful. I also understand that there are multiple gestalts.
Now, I could be wrong, but even if I was, and even if all the gestalts
were destroyed in DHS, Aztechnology still knows how to set them up.
<SnipMe(TM)>

> Ahhh, but if you have read Corporate Download (which you haven't
;P). Then you would know that there seems to be a new policy wrt blood
mages. They are on the outs politically. My theory is that they were
Darke's (Oscuro's) pet project, and when he cacked it, the new power
players didn't want to continue them. This doesn't mean that they
still are not a threat, just not quite as great of one.

You're kidding me, right? This is the official Aztechnology and Aztlan
line? Or is this the unofficial line and the official line is that
Aztechnology never had blood mages? When you say seems, what do you
mean? It IS the case, or it's rumoured to be the case? Could it be that
this is just a propaganda device of the Azzies to get everyone off
their back with regards to blood mages?

Does anyone know the righteous scoop on this? Is FASA really and for
true phasing out blood mages? Or is this just another thing to get
further away from ED (no blood mages, no-one to summon the Horrors)?

And even if it IS the case, I still wouldn't want to go up against a
gestalt without a great dragon or three in support.

> >*Doc' sets up a tag team wrestling match between Lofwyr and the
Atlantean Foundation vs. Mr. Darke's successor and the Blood Mage
Gestalt...bets, anyone?*
>
> I say it's the Ordo Maximus with the pin after storming the ring. :)
> Geoff Haacke

I'll give you 3 to 1 on that. I think the Black Lodge will take out the
Ordo Maximus in the carpark before the match and drop Owen Hart's
zombie into the ring to take out the survivors of the initial match.

*Doc' grins evilly. "No DQ?"*
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Message no. 10
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:06:31 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] > > Okay, now The Point of the Post. I just got Threats, and am now
] interested in that whole thread about "They gave us the threat and then
] wrote about it." So, not having read more than five novels, I'd love
] to know in what FASA products the various threats have been confirmed
] as existing?
] > >
] > > (ooh, ooh, spoiler space!)

<Snip! Ha HA! Take that, spoiler space!>

Thanks to both Doc' and Geoffrey, and someone else whose message I
trashed by accident, for their helpful responses to my question. And
thanks to Subway, without whose free sandwich I wouldn't have been
somewhat nourished today.

-Murder of One
Message no. 11
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:12:13 EDT
In a message dated 7/26/1999 9:37:04 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
docwagon101@*****.com writes:

> I'll give you 3 to 1 on that. I think the Black Lodge will take out the
> Ordo Maximus in the carpark before the match and drop Owen Hart's
> zombie into the ring to take out the survivors of the initial match.
>
> *Doc' grins evilly. "No DQ?"*

<smiles evilly>
-K
Message no. 12
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:50:10 EDT
In a message dated 7/26/99 11:06:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
iscottw@*****.nb.ca writes:

> Thanks to both Doc' and Geoffrey, and someone else whose message I
> trashed by accident, for their helpful responses to my question.


I love to know my messages get trashed by accident and not purposely. It
makes me feel all warm and special. :-)




-Twist
"Two thumbs up. Two severed thumbs."
Message no. 13
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:01:27 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] > mmmmmmm. spoiler space.
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] Does it taste as good as organised crime?

(Or my favourite: Mmmmmm......sacri-licious.....)

Warning: Spoiler space now covers The Forever Drug, too. Watch it!

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] the most powerful. I also understand that there are multiple gestalts.
] Now, I could be wrong, but even if I was, and even if all the gestalts
] were destroyed in DHS, Aztechnology still knows how to set them up.
] <SnipMe(TM)>
]
] > Ahhh, but if you have read Corporate Download (which you haven't
] ;P). Then you would know that there seems to be a new policy wrt blood
] mages. They are on the outs politically. My theory is that they were
] Darke's (Oscuro's) pet project, and when he cacked it, the new power
] players didn't want to continue them. This doesn't mean that they
] still are not a threat, just not quite as great of one.

Geez...I still don't know who wrote the above :P Shouldn't be so
quick with the 'Trash' button. But whoever it is, I've read Corporate
Download, and I just skimmed it...where is that reference? I could
only find something like it in the Game Information section: "With the
rise of Domingo Chavez and the fall of Oscuro, blood mages have lost
much of their support and privilege. They still remain, though they
are less public and active; some are hiding while others have
maintained their positions of power within Aztechnology by siding with
Chavez." (CD, pp 128)
I wouldn't say they're 'on the outs politically,' I'd say some
individuals that happen to be blood mages are on the outs. And I don't
think the new power players don't want to continue them, it's just they
are used for more mundane things (high-level security, rituals),
instead of bringing about the end of the world, a real downgrade in
status. They're there, but they aren't so galdarned important anymore
(which must tick some of them off, eh?)

] > >*Doc' sets up a tag team wrestling match between Lofwyr and the
] Atlantean Foundation vs. Mr. Darke's successor and the Blood Mage
] Gestalt...bets, anyone?*
] >
] > I say it's the Ordo Maximus with the pin after storming the ring. :)
] > Geoff Haacke
]
] I'll give you 3 to 1 on that. I think the Black Lodge will take out the
] Ordo Maximus in the carpark before the match and drop Owen Hart's
] zombie into the ring to take out the survivors of the initial match.

Yet somehow an enterprising team of shadowrunners will make off with
the belt...you know it'll happen. And speaking of happy endings in
novels, I was pleased to find that the end of The Forever Drug produced
no such thing...a little Laes for what ails ya? (oh yeah, Doc'....you
were irritated by the near-constant use of the word 'Frig' in that
book...I think it was meant to inject a little Maritime flavour. Not
that we all go 'round spouting 'Frig' and 'aboot'....well, okay, we do
say 'aboot.' Anyway, I thought it was nice to see my neck of the woods
represented in a novel. Now we just need a SOURCEBOOK!)

-Murder of One
Message no. 14
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:07:14 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Twist0059@***.com."
] I love to know my messages get trashed by accident and not purposely. It
] makes me feel all warm and special. :-)

Thanks to both Doc' and Geoffrey, and [Twist], for their helpful
responses to my question.

There y'are! No-one goes unthanked ("Not on _my_ watch!").

-Murder of One
Message no. 15
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:44:19 -0400 (EDT)
> ] > mmmmmmm. spoiler space.
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> ] Does it taste as good as organised crime?
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> (Or my favourite: Mmmmmm......sacri-licious.....)
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> Warning: Spoiler space now covers The Forever
> Drug, too. Watch it!
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> ] > >*Doc' sets up a tag team wrestling match between Lofwyr and the
Atlantean Foundation vs. Mr. Darke's successor and the Blood Mage
Gestalt...bets, anyone?*
> ] >
> ] > I say it's the Ordo Maximus with the pin after storming the ring.
:)
> ] > Geoff Haacke
> ]
> ] I'll give you 3 to 1 on that. I think the Black Lodge will take out
the Ordo Maximus in the carpark before the match and drop Owen Hart's
zombie into the ring to take out the survivors of the initial match.
>
> Yet somehow an enterprising team of shadowrunners will make off
with the belt...you know it'll happen. And speaking of happy endings
in novels, I was pleased to find that the end of The Forever Drug
produced no such thing...a little Laes for what ails ya? (oh yeah,
Doc'....you were irritated by the near-constant use of the word 'Frig'
in that book...I think it was meant to inject a little Maritime
flavour. Not that we all go 'round spouting 'Frig' and
'aboot'....well, okay, we do say 'aboot.' Anyway, I thought it was
nice to see my neck of the woods represented in a novel. Now we just
need a SOURCEBOOK!)
>
> -Murder of One

Actually, this time it wasn't me. Although I'm sure it'll piss me off
when I finally get around to reading it.

*Doc' lays odds on Lone Star catching up with the runners, but stuffing
the job up and the belt ending up around Harlequin's waist, even though
elf-boy wasn't invited to the match...*
==Doc'
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Message no. 16
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 02:16:27 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] (oh yeah, Doc'....you were irritated by the near-constant use of the
] word 'Frig' in that book...I think it was meant to inject a little
] Maritime flavour. Not that we all go 'round spouting 'Frig' and
] 'aboot'....well, okay, we do say 'aboot.' Anyway, I thought it was
] nice to see my neck of the woods represented in a novel. Now we
] just need a SOURCEBOOK!)
]
] Actually, this time it wasn't me. Although I'm sure it'll piss me off
] when I finally get around to reading it.

Maybe it was Rat...was it Rat?

-Murder of One
Message no. 17
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:07:48 EDT
In a message dated 7/27/99 12:07:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
iscottw@*****.nb.ca writes:

> Thanks to both Doc' and Geoffrey, and [Twist], for their helpful
> responses to my question.
>
> There y'are! No-one goes unthanked ("Not on _my_ watch!").
>
> -Murder of One
>


Gracias.




-Twist
Message no. 18
From: Rat winterhawk@*********.net
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:09:48 -0700
> From: Scott Wheelock <iscottw@*****.nb.ca>

> (oh yeah, Doc'....you
> were irritated by the near-constant use of the word 'Frig' in that
> book...I think it was meant to inject a little Maritime flavour. Not
> that we all go 'round spouting 'Frig' and 'aboot'....well, okay, we do
> say 'aboot.'

Nope, that was me. I get irritated by the near-constant use of almost
*any* word in a novel, but the more unusual the word, the more
irritated I get. I call it "Niffleheim Syndrome" after the first
time I really noticed it, in H. Beam Piper's "Little Fuzzy" (which
is otherwise a fantastic book, BTW).

Hmm...fuzzies...new metahuman race...

Nah.

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Message no. 19
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:24:18 CST
>From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
>
> > mmmmmmm. spoiler space.
>
>Does it taste as good as organised crime?

Almost, but more marshmalloy :D

>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >10) Blood Mage Gestalt - ?
> > > >
> > > > Dead in the DHS.
> > >
><Whippersnipped>
>
>
>You're kidding me, right? This is the official Aztechnology and Aztlan
>line? Or is this the unofficial line and the official line is that
>Aztechnology never had blood mages? When you say seems, what do you
>mean? It IS the case, or it's rumoured to be the case? Could it be that
>this is just a propaganda device of the Azzies to get everyone off
>their back with regards to blood mages?
>
>Does anyone know the righteous scoop on this? Is FASA really and for
>true phasing out blood mages? Or is this just another thing to get
>further away from ED (no blood mages, no-one to summon the Horrors)?

No they are not phasing them out. They are still there. They are just in a
bad sitch, politically. And the "source" in the book was the Chromed
Accountant and the Pyramid Watcher. Of course, they may have gotten it
wrong.....

Actually, the poster The Laughing Man stated that they were fewer in number,
but much more cautious and clever.


>
>And even if it IS the case, I still wouldn't want to go up against a
>gestalt without a great dragon or three in support.
>

Well of course :)



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Message no. 20
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:54:39 CST
>From: Scott Wheelock <iscottw@*****.nb.ca>
> (Or my favourite: Mmmmmm......sacri-licious.....)
(mmmmmmm......forbidden donut) :)

>
> Warning: Spoiler space now covers The Forever Drug, too. Watch it!
>
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >
>] >10) Blood Mage Gestalt - ?
><The Big Snip TM>
> Geez...I still don't know who wrote the above :P Shouldn't be so
>quick with the 'Trash' button. But whoever it is, I've read Corporate
>Download, and I just skimmed it...where is that reference? I could
>only find something like it in the Game Information section: "With the
>rise of Domingo Chavez and the fall of Oscuro, blood mages have lost
>much of their support and privilege. They still remain, though they
>are less public and active; some are hiding while others have
>maintained their positions of power within Aztechnology by siding with
>Chavez." (CD, pp 128)

That was me!!! You're right it is in the Game Info section. Harly's
comment is on page 24 (I think). Beowulf was talking about geeking the mage
first and Harly was commenting after that. That pretty much covers my point
(I hope!!! :D)

> I wouldn't say they're 'on the outs politically,' I'd say some
>individuals that happen to be blood mages are on the outs. And I don't
>think the new power players don't want to continue them, it's just they
>are used for more mundane things (high-level security, rituals),
>instead of bringing about the end of the world, a real downgrade in
>status. They're there, but they aren't so galdarned important anymore
>(which must tick some of them off, eh?)

My take on it was that Darke probably rubbed the other board members a
little raw (he seemed to be the type). I also figured that he started the
whole blood mage thing (and maybe Azzie cybermancy too) to help bring the
Enemy across. He made them his pet project. Then he cacks it. Someone
else gets his shares and those folks whom he irked are probably treating the
blood mages like crap (which would REALLY tick them off). So now, they're
there. But they are not as important as they once were (which would also
tick them off).

>
> Yet somehow an enterprising team of shadowrunners will make off with
>the belt...you know it'll happen. And speaking of happy endings in
>novels, I was pleased to find that the end of The Forever Drug produced
>no such thing...a little Laes for what ails ya? (oh yeah, Doc'....you
>were irritated by the near-constant use of the word 'Frig' in that
>book...I think it was meant to inject a little Maritime flavour. Not
>that we all go 'round spouting 'Frig' and 'aboot'....well, okay, we do
>say 'aboot.' Anyway, I thought it was nice to see my neck of the woods
>represented in a novel. Now we just need a SOURCEBOOK!)

Actually, I figure we need a Canadian sourcebook for those parts that were
absorbed into the UCAS (hell, why not for all the parts :D). After all,
FASA's take on some of it kinda ticked me off. :)



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Message no. 21
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:39:43 EDT
In a message dated 7/27/1999 4:58:33 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
knight_errant30@*******.com writes:

> My take on it was that Darke probably rubbed the other board members a
> little raw (he seemed to be the type). I also figured that he started the
> whole blood mage thing (and maybe Azzie cybermancy too) to help bring the
> Enemy across. He made them his pet project. Then he cacks it. Someone
> else gets his shares and those folks whom he irked are probably treating
the
>
> blood mages like crap (which would REALLY tick them off). So now, they're
> there. But they are not as important as they once were (which would also
> tick them off).

Concerning the idea that Blood Magic will vanish or diminish within the
territories of Aztlan (and/or Aztechnology). I would say yes, its' going to
diminish, but as far as vanishing completely, I doubt it. That would be like
asking the Druidic organizations in Europe to cease and decist (sp?) all
similar actions within their own "Cycle Eternal" activities. Not likely to
happen. Its' a matter of belief and faith, as much as it is magic.

-K
Message no. 22
From: Number Ten Ox number_10_ox@**********.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:49:31 -0700 (PDT)
---Ereskanti@***.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/27/1999 4:58:33 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> knight_errant30@*******.com writes:
> > So now, they're
> > there. But they are not as important as they once were (which would
> > also
> > tick them off).
>
> Concerning the idea that Blood Magic will vanish or diminish within the
> territories of Aztlan (and/or Aztechnology). I would say yes, its'
going > to
> diminish, but as far as vanishing completely, I doubt it.

Or how's this for a horrifying idea -- i don't think that the folks
at FASA are taking it in that direction, but it's horrifying just the same.

What if the folks in Aztlan *do* have a Locus? Blood Magic starts falling
out of vogue because Pattern magic is so much more efficient, and the world,
seeing the blood mages fall into disgrace, thinks that nothing worse will
come out of Aztlan...

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Message no. 23
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:06:03 EDT
In a message dated 7/28/99 11:41:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Ereskanti@***.com writes:

> Concerning the idea that Blood Magic will vanish or diminish within the
> territories of Aztlan (and/or Aztechnology). I would say yes, its' going
to
>
> diminish, but as far as vanishing completely, I doubt it. That would be
> like
> asking the Druidic organizations in Europe to cease and decist (sp?) all
> similar actions within their own "Cycle Eternal" activities. Not likely
to
> happen. Its' a matter of belief and faith, as much as it is magic.
>
> -K
>


Out of character, I think it's logical to say Blood Magic and Magicians will
not be phased out anytime in the near future since MitS just came out and
FASA wouldn't want to make one of its premiere magical threats extinct so
fast. Afterall, the point of all the revisions is to clear away the
out-dated stuff.



-Twist
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Message no. 24
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:11:02 CST
>From: Number Ten Ox <number_10_ox@**********.com>

(sigh. Still more spoiler space.)















>
> Or how's this for a horrifying idea -- i don't think that the folks
>at FASA are taking it in that direction, but it's horrifying just the same.
>
>What if the folks in Aztlan *do* have a Locus? Blood Magic starts falling
>out of vogue because Pattern magic is so much more efficient, and the
>world,
>seeing the blood mages fall into disgrace, thinks that nothing worse will
>come out of Aztlan...

In the DHS, the Azzies DID find a Locus. Darke used it to amplify the Blood
Magic. I don't know if it survived tho'.

>
>==>--Number 10 Ox.
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>"Is it rigger-driven?"
>
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Message no. 25
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:04:13 EDT
In a message dated 7/28/99 1:01:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Twist0059@***.com writes:

>
> Out of character, I think it's logical to say Blood Magic and Magicians
will
>
> not be phased out anytime in the near future since MitS just came out and
> FASA wouldn't want to make one of its premiere magical threats extinct so
> fast. Afterall, the point of all the revisions is to clear away the
> out-dated stuff.
>
>
Also note; the blood magic was in use before Aztlan (in England at least,
which means England is more evil than the Azzies?, anyway :-)
I think the removal of the Horroi has limited the "major" uses of blood
magic, such as the most powerful of the Gestalts. However, on an individual
level, it is still a nice way for Leopard Guards to get out of drain, so it
will never completely go out of use, IMO.
Message no. 26
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:19:41 -0400
Schizi@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 7/28/99 1:01:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Twist0059@***.com writes:
>
> >
> > Out of character, I think it's logical to say Blood Magic and Magicians
> will
> >
> > not be phased out anytime in the near future since MitS just came out and
> > FASA wouldn't want to make one of its premiere magical threats extinct so
> > fast. Afterall, the point of all the revisions is to clear away the
> > out-dated stuff.
> >
> >
> Also note; the blood magic was in use before Aztlan (in England at least,
> which means England is more evil than the Azzies?, anyway :-)
> I think the removal of the Horroi has limited the "major" uses of blood
> magic, such as the most powerful of the Gestalts. However, on an individual
> level, it is still a nice way for Leopard Guards to get out of drain, so it
> will never completely go out of use, IMO.

Speaking of Aztlan, one of my players (who had borrowed my Aztlan
sourcebook) referred me to the story one of the runners gave about a vision
quest he was on. He saw an Eastern Dragon enter a temple in Tenochtitlan (sp?).
The wierd thing about the dragon was the blank spots in its aura. He said it was
Corruption, from ED. Is this true? He also wants to Corrupt himself. How bad of
an idea is this, anyway?

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Message no. 27
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:46:41 EDT
In a message dated 7/28/99 5:17:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, strago@***.com
writes:

>
> Speaking of Aztlan, one of my players (who had borrowed my Aztlan
> sourcebook) referred me to the story one of the runners gave about a vision
> quest he was on. He saw an Eastern Dragon enter a temple in Tenochtitlan
(sp?
> ).
> The wierd thing about the dragon was the blank spots in its aura. He said
it
> was
> Corruption, from ED. Is this true? He also wants to Corrupt himself. How
> bad of
> an idea is this, anyway?
>


I always liked the idea that Verjigorm's corrupted dragons made it to SR. (I
think Darke is really a pun on Drake, as in a corrupted drake, but
nevermind.)
A PC can't be a corrupted magician. (That's an NPC.) As GM, you can
allow an exception, but that's your choice. If the player is doing it to
gain power, it's an incredibly bad idea. If the player wants to roleplay a
character torn between good and evil, it might be fun. Afterall, who were
you really more impressed by, Vader or Luke?





-Twist
Message no. 28
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:47:07 -0500
Perhaps a tinge of spoiler space for those of you playing in pre-2055
campaigns, or who haven't read AZTLAN yet and are curious:



















>Speaking of Aztlan, one of my players (who had borrowed my Aztlan
>sourcebook) referred me to the story one of the runners gave about
>a vision quest he was on. He saw an Eastern Dragon enter a temple
>in Tenochtitlan (sp?). The wierd thing about the dragon was the
>blank spots in its aura. He said it was Corruption, from ED. Is this
>true?

That, or the runner in question was on a peyote trip like he'd never been
on before.

However, according to Wordsmyth (a/k/a Ehran the Scribe), it was, indeed,
Corruption.

>He also wants to Corrupt himself. How bad of an idea is this, anyway?

Remarkably bad. Into the Cataclysmically Stupid range, you ask me....

Patrick
Message no. 29
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:08:53 EDT
In a message dated 7/28/99 5:48:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Twist0059@***.com writes:

> A PC can't be a corrupted magician. (That's an NPC.) As GM, you can
> allow an exception, but that's your choice. If the player is doing it to
> gain power, it's an incredibly bad idea.

Oh, like a player wouldn't make a deal with a wraith if they needed
information?
Its not like a whole team would get Horror-marked from such a deal, right?
Message no. 30
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:35:13 EDT
In a message dated 7/28/1999 4:17:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
strago@***.com writes:

> Speaking of Aztlan, one of my players (who had borrowed my Aztlan
> sourcebook) referred me to the story one of the runners gave about a vision
> quest he was on. He saw an Eastern Dragon enter a temple in Tenochtitlan
(sp?
> ).
> The wierd thing about the dragon was the blank spots in its aura. He said
it
> was
> Corruption, from ED. Is this true? He also wants to Corrupt himself. How
> bad of
> an idea is this, anyway?

Bad, and whatever you do, make sure you tell the guy that he can pursue
whatever method he wants...and then, when the Black Lodge or Atlantean
Foundations come knocking on his door to claim his sorry-ass for research and
study ... well, you can imagine the rest.

Believe it or not folks, I have *SOME* stuff concerning "Mark" and
"Purge"
and similar concepts up at HHH nowadays...the critter section hasn't moved
for a week or two now, but there is more coming...

-K (now all I have to do is survive the next 6 days of solid work, make the
trek to Gencon, survive those 4 days, then come back to working 5 more
straight with a department inventory...THEN I'll have some time again... ;-)
Message no. 31
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:38:24 EDT
In a message dated 7/28/99 9:10:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Schizi@***.com
writes:

> > A PC can't be a corrupted magician. (That's an NPC.) As GM, you can
> > allow an exception, but that's your choice. If the player is doing it
to
>
> > gain power, it's an incredibly bad idea.
>
> Oh, like a player wouldn't make a deal with a wraith if they needed
> information?
> Its not like a whole team would get Horror-marked from such a deal, right?


Why do we always have to fight, Schizi? (Ignoring the fact I have now missed
the Wednesday game twice, but at least it wasn't in a row.)




-Twist
Message no. 32
From: Mad Hamish h_laws@**********.utas.edu.au
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:59:39 +1000
At 17:46 28/07/99 EDT, Twist0059@***.com wrote:
>In a message dated 7/28/99 5:17:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, strago@***.com
>writes:
>
>>
>> Speaking of Aztlan, one of my players (who had borrowed my Aztlan
>> sourcebook) referred me to the story one of the runners gave about a
vision
>> quest he was on. He saw an Eastern Dragon enter a temple in Tenochtitlan
>(sp?
>> ).
>> The wierd thing about the dragon was the blank spots in its aura. He said
>it
>> was
>> Corruption, from ED. Is this true? He also wants to Corrupt himself. How
>> bad of
>> an idea is this, anyway?
>>
>
>
>I always liked the idea that Verjigorm's corrupted dragons made it to SR.
(I
>think Darke is really a pun on Drake, as in a corrupted drake, but
>nevermind.)
> A PC can't be a corrupted magician. (That's an NPC.) As GM, you can
>allow an exception, but that's your choice. If the player is doing it to
>gain power, it's an incredibly bad idea. If the player wants to roleplay a
>character torn between good and evil, it might be fun. Afterall, who were
>you really more impressed by, Vader or Luke?
>
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From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:28:47 -0400 (EDT)
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Message no. 34
From: Callum Shaw cshaw@***.com.au
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:28:44 +1000
>>The wierd thing about the dragon was the blank spots in its aura. He said
>>it was Corruption, from ED.

I've been wanting to get some info on that blank aura spots thing for a
while now. I have the main ED book but havn't really had the time to read
through it as completely as I should. Can someone help me fill in the
blanks on what Corruption is and what it's effect on people/creatures are???


PS Is there an ED mailing list that I could post this question too? And if
so whats the address?


Thanks in advance

Callum

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Message no. 35
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:03:23 EDT
In a message dated 8/25/99 7:29:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
runnerpaul@*****.com writes:

> At 08:59 AM 8/26/99 +1000, Mad Hamish wrote:
> ::If the player wants to roleplay a character torn between good and
> ::evil, it might be fun. Afterall, who were you really more
> ::impressed by, Vader or Luke?
> :
> :Chewie.
>
> Wedge Antilles.
Porkins... The guy who remain unflappable even when the blew his ship up
around him....
Message no. 36
From: Scott W iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:25:31 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Starrngr@***.com."
] > ::If the player wants to roleplay a character torn between good and
] > ::evil, it might be fun. Afterall, who were you really more
] > ::impressed by, Vader or Luke?
] > :
] > :Chewie.
] >
] > Wedge Antilles.
] Porkins... The guy who remain unflappable even when the blew his ship up
] around him....

Porkins? He wasn't torn between good and evil, he was just plain torn up...
You want an example of a character torn between good and evil? Look
no further than Max Rebo...ah, those deep ebony pits he had for
eyes...that inscrutable visage which betrayed no thought...those stubby
fingers, mashing away at the keyboard...yep, there's possibly the most
complex, tortured, interesting character in the whole trilogy (with the
exception perhaps of that B'omarr Monk thing that's on-screen for 0.3
seconds...it was pretty neat too).

-Boondocker

(Hark! What causes yonder noise? 'Tis the rumble of Gridsec horses
approaching! Flee!)
Message no. 37
From: Wordman wordman@*******.com
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:34:51 -0400
> >>The wierd thing about the dragon was the blank spots in its
> aura. He said
> >>it was Corruption, from ED.
>
> I've been wanting to get some info on that blank aura spots thing for a
> while now. I have the main ED book but havn't really had the time to read
> through it as completely as I should. Can someone help me fill in the
> blanks on what Corruption is and what it's effect on
> people/creatures are???

Download the Dragons sourcebook from FASA. It does not discuss Corruption in
general, but does discuss what may be the dragon mentioned in the Aztlan
book. (If not him, then something very like him, anyway).

Wordman
Message no. 38
From: Carsten Gehling alvion@****.uni2.dk
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:20:36 +0200
> Download the Dragons sourcebook from FASA. It does not discuss Corruption
in
> general, but does discuss what may be the dragon mentioned in the Aztlan
> book. (If not him, then something very like him, anyway).

Where do I get that?

- Carsten

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From: Wordman <wordman@*******.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: The New Big Baddie


> > >>The wierd thing about the dragon was the blank spots in its
> > aura. He said
> > >>it was Corruption, from ED.
> >
> > I've been wanting to get some info on that blank aura spots thing for a
> > while now. I have the main ED book but havn't really had the time to
read
> > through it as completely as I should. Can someone help me fill in the
> > blanks on what Corruption is and what it's effect on
> > people/creatures are???
>
>
> Wordman
>
>
>
Message no. 39
From: Darrell L. Bowman darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us
Subject: The New Big Baddie
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:55:41 -0400
On 26 Aug 99, at 13:28, Callum Shaw wrote:

> PS Is there an ED mailing list that I could post this question too? And
> if so whats the address?

Callum,

send mail to earthdawn-request@*****.advicom.net

In the body of the message, just put the word subscribe.

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have cleansed the universe of the Centauri and carved
their bones into little flutes for Narn children.
It is a dream I have.
--G'kar, Babylon 5: Midnight on the Firing Line

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