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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Thermographics and glass (was Re: Building Races)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:05:49 +0100
Alfredo B Alves said on 17:26/7 Jul 98,...

> >Forget double glazing. Ordinary glass, even a single pane, is opaque to
> >infrared. If you had the ability to see into the infrared, most windows
> >would "wash out" the colors you see that indicate heat. You can get
> >specially made glass that wouldn't do this, but you wont see it in
> >windows except maybe for expensive armored guardposts for cybered
> >or ork guards.
>
> Orks have Low light vision, Dwarves and Trolls have Thermo :)

And they'd be able to see through normal glass, since their
thermographic vision functions next to their ability to see in the
light visible to humans. Most likely, troll and dwarf eyes are
simply sensitive to the infrared part of the spectrum, whereas
human eyes are not.

Anyone using purely thermographic vision, though, such as a set
of thermographic goggles, wouldn't be able to see through the
glass at all.

That does suggest trolls and dwarfs should perhaps get some
kind of penalty when trying to spot (or shoot) something through
a glass window, though, because the thermographic part of their
vision essentially gets turned off.

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Message no. 2
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Thermographics and glass (was Re: Building Races)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:14:24 -0400
Once upon a time, Gurth wrote;

>That does suggest trolls and dwarfs should perhaps get some
>kind of penalty when trying to spot (or shoot) something through
>a glass window, though, because the thermographic part of their
>vision essentially gets turned off.

It would look odd. FoF discusses the differences between natural and
other forms of Thermographics. Denizens of Earthdawn even mentioned the
oddities of Dwarven paintings because of the artists attempt to paint
heat signatures with color onto the work. It's still a subtle thing,
though. Normal races find the works odd but a lot don't know why.

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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Thermographics and glass (was Re: Building Races)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:23:09 +0100
MC23 said on 10:14/8 Jul 98,...

> >That does suggest trolls and dwarfs should perhaps get some
> >kind of penalty when trying to spot (or shoot) something through
> >a glass window, though, because the thermographic part of their
> >vision essentially gets turned off.
>
> It would look odd.

I have a feeling it would look as if you're looking through a screen
door with (very?) fine mesh in it. In the IR part of the spectrum
the troll or dwarf would be seeing an opaque sheet while in the
"visible" spectrum they could see through the same glass. I feel
that should give some kind of penalty, perhaps +1 or so.

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Message no. 4
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Thermographics and glass (was Re: Building Races)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:57:44 -0400
Once upon a time, Gurth wrote;

>MC23 said on 10:14/8 Jul 98,...
>
>> >That does suggest trolls and dwarfs should perhaps get some
>> >kind of penalty when trying to spot (or shoot) something through
>> >a glass window, though, because the thermographic part of their
>> >vision essentially gets turned off.
>>
>> It would look odd.
>
>I have a feeling it would look as if you're looking through a screen
>door with (very?) fine mesh in it. In the IR part of the spectrum
>the troll or dwarf would be seeing an opaque sheet while in the
>"visible" spectrum they could see through the same glass. I feel
>that should give some kind of penalty, perhaps +1 or so.

I could "see" that. Anything else would be too extreme.

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Message no. 5
From: MCP <MCP@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Thermographics and glass (was Re: Building Races)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:04:26 -0700
> From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL> Wednesday, July 08, 1998 12:23 PM
>
> > >That does suggest trolls and dwarfs should perhaps get some
> > >kind of penalty when trying to spot (or shoot) something through
> > >a glass window, though, because the thermographic part of their
> > >vision essentially gets turned off.
>
> I have a feeling it would look as if you're looking through a screen
> door with (very?) fine mesh in it. In the IR part of the spectrum
> the troll or dwarf would be seeing an opaque sheet while in the
> "visible" spectrum they could see through the same glass. I feel
> that should give some kind of penalty, perhaps +1 or so.
>
I would probably use the Normal Vision column on the visibility chart
instead of the Thermo column since the troll/dwarf still has perfectly
usable normal vision if their thermo is blocked.

If they were trying to look through a warm or hot clear surface, I might
apply a penalty to the Normal Vision column due to the clouding on
the IR spectrum (unless natural thermo can be turned off at will).

MCP

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