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Message no. 1
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:03:07 -0500
A friend of mine wants to make a Street Sam ... but he wants to add a
little twist ... He wants the guy to run around in traditional like
Samurai armor by modifying Security Armor (Light, I think ...) ... Me? I
want to smack him ... He says "he won't wear all the time ... only on
runs ..." I want to smack him harder ...

But what the hell. if he wants a char that is unbelievably easy to
describe to the authorities, let him ... he'll hate me when I bring the
`Star down on his char, but I did warn him ... What do you think? Would
the stats be the same as normal Sec armor? (aside from the twit sticking
out like a sore thumb ...) Should the cost change? Could he still get
permits? (IIRC, the legality rating was 4P-K ...)

IMO, the stats should be the same bit it should cost two or three times
more and permits should be available (but become useless if it was used
in a crime ... [ie, normally they can't slap you with illegal possesion
of security grade armor but if you wear it during a run they slap you
with the charge in addition to everything else ...])

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 2
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:30:00 -0400
> A friend of mine wants to make a Street Sam ... but he wants to add a
> little twist ... He wants the guy to run around in traditional like
> Samurai armor by modifying Security Armor (Light, I think ...) ... Me?
> I
> want to smack him ... He says "he won't wear all the time ... only on
> runs ..." I want to smack him harder ...
>
So what?! From the entire basis of shadowrun it seems
obvious to me that word of your runs gets around anyway. If the cops
really wanted you they could just go undercover and find out what you
did based on the word on the street anyway. It sounds like a neat idea
to me. I can't see anyone running around in light security armor very
often anyway, modified or not, without drawing tons of unwanted
attention.

> But what the hell. if he wants a char that is unbelievably easy to
> describe to the authorities, let him ... he'll hate me when I bring
> the
> `Star down on his char, but I did warn him ... What do you think?
> Would
> the stats be the same as normal Sec armor? (aside from the twit
> sticking
> out like a sore thumb ...) Should the cost change? Could he still
> get
> permits? (IIRC, the legality rating was 4P-K ...)
>
I'd make it same stats 2x price. Permits? We don't need
no stinking permits! How would he justify getting a permit anyway?

> IMO, the stats should be the same bit it should cost two or three
> times
> more and permits should be available (but become useless if it was
> used
> in a crime ... [ie, normally they can't slap you with illegal
> possesion
> of security grade armor but if you wear it during a run they slap you
> with the charge in addition to everything else ...])
>
All in all having security armor, modified or not, is
dangerous in its own right. I don't see how customizing it makes it any
worse. Yeah sure if you get busted with it they can add a few more
counts to the rap but so what, by that time you're screwed anyway.

As far as being identified, again it doesn't matter. If
he keeps his face hidden he can dance in front of the security cameras.
All they will know is that some loony in a samurai costume is stealing
their research, they still won't know who he is, hell maybe they'll
think Renraku did it.

If anything it should boost his rep a bit. His exploits
will be easier to verify and maybe he'll get some notoriety for making
life hard for himself and succeeding anyway.
Message no. 3
From: "Mark C. Farrington" <alareth@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:47:50 -0400
-----Original Message-----
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 12:00 PM
Subject: The Samurai


>But what the hell. if he wants a char that is unbelievably easy to
>describe to the authorities, let him ... he'll hate me when I bring the
>`Star down on his char, but I did warn him ... What do you think? Would


IIRC a relatively common accesory to the traditonal japanese armor was
a stylized mask that covered the face of the wearer. This would help with
the recognition problems.
Personally I would prefer to wear a black thermo-sifg suppresing
bodysuit, but to each his own......

Alareth
Message no. 4
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:04:37 EDT
In a message dated 7/22/98 12:07:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dghost@****.COM
writes:

> A friend of mine wants to make a Street Sam ... but he wants to add a
> little twist ... He wants the guy to run around in traditional like
> Samurai armor by modifying Security Armor (Light, I think ...) ... Me?

A traditional samurai, huh?

You may want to have your player do some research on them before he considers
trying to play a true traditional smaurai. For instance, if they fail, they
generally killed themselves rather than live with dishonor and the typical
smaurai loved who he loved, regardless if it was a man or a woman.

TLC did a wonderful documentry on them.

-Bandit
Message no. 5
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:13:21 -0400
> > A friend of mine wants to make a Street Sam ... but he wants to add
> a
> > little twist ... He wants the guy to run around in traditional like
> > Samurai armor by modifying Security Armor (Light, I think ...) ...
> Me?
>
> A traditional samurai, huh?
>
> You may want to have your player do some research on them before he
> considers
> trying to play a true traditional smaurai. For instance, if they fail,
> they
> generally killed themselves rather than live with dishonor and the
> typical
> smaurai loved who he loved, regardless if it was a man or a woman.
>
He didn't say the guy wanted to BE a samurai, just look
like one.
Message no. 6
From: "Ryan W. Bolduan" <emeottrw@***.MRS.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:07:34 -0500
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Alfredo B Alves wrote:

> A friend of mine wants to make a Street Sam ... but he wants to add a
> little twist ... He wants the guy to run around in traditional like
> Samurai armor by modifying Security Armor (Light, I think ...) ... Me? I
> want to smack him ... He says "he won't wear all the time ... only on
> runs ..." I want to smack him harder ...
>
I really don't see the problem with this. I had a player in my game run
one about a year ago and it worked great. He played the "traditional
samurai" character, but only wore the garb when on runs. It was a lot of
fun. He also modified the Light Security Armor (2x cost). Of course he
was a good role-player and part of it was how he ran the character.
Remember, in the SRI rules in the food fight senario they had a character
that thought he was a samurai, he modified the armor jacket.

> But what the hell. if he wants a char that is unbelievably easy to
> describe to the authorities, let him ... he'll hate me when I bring the
> `Star down on his char, but I did warn him ... What do you think? Would
> the stats be the same as normal Sec armor? (aside from the twit sticking
> out like a sore thumb ...) Should the cost change? Could he still get
> permits? (IIRC, the legality rating was 4P-K ...)
>

I don't think the Star would be down on him. There _are_ people that have
a suit in their private collection. I don't see the Star coming after
them. And yes, I would give the stats the same as the normal sec armor.
Either that or invent your own (high impact, low balistic).

> IMO, the stats should be the same bit it should cost two or three times
> more and permits should be available (but become useless if it was used
> in a crime ... [ie, normally they can't slap you with illegal possesion
> of security grade armor but if you wear it during a run they slap you
> with the charge in addition to everything else ...])
>

Who needs permits if you're a runner. Besides, permits are really only
available to people with a valid SIN. What would a runner be doing with
one of those?

> D.Ghost
> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
> o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`
>
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Message no. 7
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:20:05 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-22 12:31:54 EDT, you write:

>
> > A friend of mine wants to make a Street Sam ... but he wants to add a
> > little twist ... He wants the guy to run around in traditional like
> > Samurai armor by modifying Security Armor (Light, I think ...) ... Me?
> > I
> > want to smack him ... He says "he won't wear all the time ... only on
> > runs ..." I want to smack him harder ...
> >
> So what?! From the entire basis of shadowrun it seems
> obvious to me that word of your runs gets around anyway. If the cops
> really wanted you they could just go undercover and find out what you
> did based on the word on the street anyway. It sounds like a neat idea
> to me. I can't see anyone running around in light security armor very
> often anyway, modified or not, without drawing tons of unwanted
> attention.
I thought of having a character (an Oni) wearing the oriental demon-style
armor, but the character would be a legal SINner working with security at a
corp (executive protection)
In regards to the Star finding out, how? Corp extra-territoriality makes
them unlikely to share much info.

> > But what the hell. if he wants a char that is unbelievably easy to
> > describe to the authorities, let him ... he'll hate me when I bring
> > the
> > `Star down on his char, but I did warn him ... What do you think?
> > Would
> > the stats be the same as normal Sec armor? (aside from the twit
> > sticking
> > out like a sore thumb ...) Should the cost change? Could he still
> > get
> > permits? (IIRC, the legality rating was 4P-K ...)
> >
> I'd make it same stats 2x price. Permits? We don't need
> no stinking permits! How would he justify getting a permit anyway?

2X sounds good for regular stuff though the player might want more ornate
stuff. As for a permit, I would say the guy is better off without the Star
actually having the samurai armor seen blowing away the Yakuza boss on the
11:00 news registered to him. With the armor unregistered, you can at least
use it more some anonymity. If found it also gives you a decent amount of
deniability.
"Not my armor, sir"
"But it is registered to you right here"

> > IMO, the stats should be the same bit it should cost two or three
> > times
> > more and permits should be available (but become useless if it was
> > used
> > in a crime ... [ie, normally they can't slap you with illegal
> > possesion
> > of security grade armor but if you wear it during a run they slap you
> > with the charge in addition to everything else ...])
> >
> All in all having security armor, modified or not, is
> dangerous in its own right. I don't see how customizing it makes it any
> worse. Yeah sure if you get busted with it they can add a few more
> counts to the rap but so what, by that time you're screwed anyway.
>
> As far as being identified, again it doesn't matter. If
> he keeps his face hidden he can dance in front of the security cameras.
> All they will know is that some loony in a samurai costume is stealing
> their research, they still won't know who he is, hell maybe they'll
> think Renraku did it.
>
> If anything it should boost his rep a bit. His exploits
> will be easier to verify and maybe he'll get some notoriety for making
> life hard for himself and succeeding anyway.
>
Message no. 8
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:24:58 EDT
In a message dated 7/22/98 1:15:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bryan.covington@****.COM writes:

> He didn't say the guy wanted to BE a samurai, just look
> like one.

Well that's no fun <g>

-Bandit
Message no. 9
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:35:06 -0400
> > He didn't say the guy wanted to BE a samurai, just
> look
> > like one.
>
> Well that's no fun <g>
>
Well considering you don't have to off yourself every
time you frag a run, I think it's a hell of a lot more fun! :)
Message no. 10
From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:37:25 -0400
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: The Samurai

> A friend of mine wants to make a Street Sam ... but he wants to add a
> little twist ... He wants the guy to run around in traditional like
> Samurai armor by modifying Security Armor (Light, I think ...) ... Me? I
> want to smack him ... He says "he won't wear all the time ... only on
> runs ..." I want to smack him harder ...
>
> But what the hell. if he wants a char that is unbelievably easy to
> describe to the authorities, let him ... he'll hate me when I bring the

For some people its not about doing it, its about doing it with style.
Just because he has a signature doesn't mean the star will know
who he is. "Another mad samauri sighting...go get that Billy kid on
13th and main"

Just my .02


--Droopy
Message no. 11
From: Smilin' Ted <Tuvyah@***.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:01:47 EDT
I don't think the disadvantage is a Lone Star ID after the fact. More likely
to be conspicuousness during the run. Traditional armor isn't the quietest,
lightest, most flexible costuming in the world, after all. And if your player
says "But I just want it to LOOK like Samurai armor, but be as comfortable and
quiet as modern armor" then up the price and decrease the availability.

It also takes up room -- not what you want to wear in the van on the way to
the run. And it's heavy (although IIRC, samurai armor wasn't the full-on plate
metal of European armor) and hot.

And, of course, if the Star searches your boy's apartment and finds the armor,
it's a one-way ticket to the Big House.


Smilin' Ted
Message no. 12
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:58:04 -0400
At 11:03 AM 7/22/98 -0500, you wrote:

>But what the hell. if he wants a char that is unbelievably easy to
>describe to the authorities, let him ... he'll hate me when I bring the
>`Star down on his char, but I did warn him ... What do you think? Would
>the stats be the same as normal Sec armor? (aside from the twit sticking
>out like a sore thumb ...) Should the cost change? Could he still get
>permits? (IIRC, the legality rating was 4P-K ...)

Stats should be about the same. Cost and availability should change
drastically though. He's asking for something very rare, or for someone
with rare skills to do the modification. Jack up the price as high as you
want. I'd at least triple it for decent workmanship.

Permits? I suppose a security permit would still be possible. Though that
permit'll be trashed after the first run; it's so recognizable it won't
take long for someone to associate the licensed samurai armor with the
shadowrunner wearing samurai armor. It would still require a permit to own
legally though, since while it may look like old samurai armor, it's still
made of modern materials and is functionally the same as common light
security armor.

Hell, let him have it. It's really only a character type thing (with no
real game mechanics affects) and it'll end up making his life more
difficult. As a GM, you should encourage that... ;-)

Erik J.


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Message no. 13
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:09:40 -0400
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:03:07 -0500 Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
writes:
>A friend of mine wants to make a Street Sam ... but he wants to add a
>little twist ... He wants the guy to run around in traditional like
>Samurai armor by modifying Security Armor (Light, I think ...) ... Me?
> I want to smack him ... He says "he won't wear all the time ... only
>on runs ..." I want to smack him harder ...

Sounds like a player in our group. For a different game system, but it
relates. He was allowed to pick a martial arts form. He picks Akido.
The GM informs him that it's purely defensive. His response is, "I know,
that's why I'm getting guns." *SMACK!*

>But what the hell. if he wants a char that is unbelievably easy to
>describe to the authorities, let him ... he'll hate me when I bring
>the `Star down on his char, but I did warn him ... What do you think?
>Would the stats be the same as normal Sec armor? (aside from the twit
>sticking out like a sore thumb ...) Should the cost change? Could he
>still get permits? (IIRC, the legality rating was 4P-K ...)

I'd say the stats would be the same with maybe a little more in the
impact area. Of course, I'd also make it more cumbersome to wear. They
didn't really run in that armor, they waddled fast. And it should cost
him quite a bit since he wants it styled like 'real' samurai armor.

It'd also make it easier for the corps to hunt him down. "Look for the
mook that looks like a reject from Shogun."

Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
"Oh, bite me."

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Message no. 14
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:26:47 -0500
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:01:47 EDT "Smilin' Ted" <Tuvyah@***.COM> writes:
>I don't think the disadvantage is a Lone Star ID after the fact. More
likely
>to be conspicuousness during the run. Traditional armor isn't the
quietest,
>lightest, most flexible costuming in the world, after all. And if your
player
>says "But I just want it to LOOK like Samurai armor, but be as
comfortable and
>quiet as modern armor" then up the price and decrease the availability.

I think he just wanted it molded to look like it ... maybe even a cheap
knock off ...

>It also takes up room -- not what you want to wear in the van on the way
to
>the run. And it's heavy (although IIRC, samurai armor wasn't the full-on
plate
>metal of European armor) and hot.

Nope ... Sam Armor was wood ... I think it had SOME metal though ...
metal was rare in feudal Japan and what good is metal armor with wood
swords? :)

>And, of course, if the Star searches your boy's apartment and finds the
armor,
>it's a one-way ticket to the Big House.
>
>
>Smilin' Ted

Well ... that's what the permits could be for (IF it's not used on a run)
... Could be a collectable ... "Honest citizen like me couldn't afford
the real thing ... had to get get this cheap knock off ..."

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 15
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:45:39 -0400
> I don't think the disadvantage is a Lone Star ID after the fact. More
> likely
> to be conspicuousness during the run. Traditional armor isn't the
> quietest,
> lightest, most flexible costuming in the world, after all. And if your
> player
> says "But I just want it to LOOK like Samurai armor, but be as
> comfortable and
> quiet as modern armor" then up the price and decrease the
> availability.
>
Neither is light security armor. Big whoop.

> It also takes up room -- not what you want to wear in the van on the
> way to
> the run. And it's heavy (although IIRC, samurai armor wasn't the
> full-on plate
> metal of European armor) and hot.
>
So is light security armor. Big whoop.

> And, of course, if the Star searches your boy's apartment and finds
> the armor,
> it's a one-way ticket to the Big House.
>
Same with light security armor. Big whoop.

I'll reiterate on this. I really don't think this would be any
worse that having normal light security armor, which (in my games at
least), is pretty dangerous in it's own right. I think, if you got the
balls to get sec armor from the get go, kudos for making it fun. It'll
probably be scrap in a week anyway.
Message no. 16
From: John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:12:58 -0500
I would just let him keep everything the same. Price, index, etc. Security
armor probably needs a bit of customization anyway. For what its worth, the
chainmail in Harlequins Back has a rating of 4/6. I would think that
traditional samauri armor would have a higher impact rating than ballistic.
But if he is making the stuff from modern materials and such, it wouldnt
matter.

-Teeg
Message no. 17
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:17:15 +0100
Alfredo B Alves said on 13:26/22 Jul 98,...

> Nope ... Sam Armor was wood ... I think it had SOME metal though ...
> metal was rare in feudal Japan and what good is metal armor with wood
> swords? :)

It was wood, silk, and similar materials until a certain time, then
metal began to take over. IIRC 16th-century samurai armor was
mostly metallic (in a magazine I've got an article showing step-
by-step how it's put on, and that gave some dates, but I'm too
lazy to go look it up).

> Well ... that's what the permits could be for (IF it's not used on a run)
> ... Could be a collectable ... "Honest citizen like me couldn't afford
> the real thing ... had to get get this cheap knock off ..."

That is if anyone realizes what it is. Security armor requires a
license, but would an ancient harness too? If you've got it on
display in your living room, and it looks like the original fairly
well, I doubt the cop would notice it's actually security armor.

Until you get arrested for something else, and they closely
examine all the contents of your house to see what other things
they can book you for...

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Message no. 18
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:31:20 -0500
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:58:04 -0400 Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes:
>At 11:03 AM 7/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
<SNIP>
>Hell, let him have it. It's really only a character type thing (with no
>real game mechanics affects) and it'll end up making his life more
>difficult. As a GM, you should encourage that... ;-)
>
>Erik J.
<SNIP Sig>

Well, I want to make him aware that there might be consequences for doing
such ... So he won't get pissed when I nail him for it ...

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 19
From: William Ashe <wmashe@***.NET>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:48:31 -0700
based on the word on the street anyway. It sounds like a neat idea
>to me. I can't see anyone running around in light security armor very
>often anyway, modified or not, without drawing tons of unwanted
>attention.
>
I had a character called The Crimson Whip. That's right ... he thought he
was a superhero. Although he was a sorcery adept, but one of his geas' was
that he couldn't any magic unless he was wearing "the suit" which was
various pieces of used and/or scrounged light to medium security armor,
painted bright red of course. He also had "the car" (also bright red).
It's too bad that the game I was in folded and went to a PBeM before I could
get a chance to GM him. That would have been one way fun adventure (for me
at least)

Regards
Bright-Light

I still might try to work him into the PBeM that I'm GM'ing right now I'm
just not sure where yet
Message no. 20
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:13:26 +0000
> A friend of mine wants to make a Street Sam ... but he wants to add a
> little twist ... He wants the guy to run around in traditional like

Hmm..I think this is doable..

>...... What do you think?

I probably wouldn't allow Sec armor to begin with..but that is
neither here nor there...

> Would
> the stats be the same as normal Sec armor?

I would make the stats the same..

>... Should the cost change?

Without a doubt..I would triple the cost at least..this sort of
specialty item should be quite expensive..Especially made to the
specs he wants it..
In the Nobel Collection catalogue there is a suit of 17th century
style sam armour..it is made from forged metal, silks, and dyed
cord..Looks very authentic..And like it should be able to turn a
bullet without too much prob...It also has skirts that go all the way
to the ground..it looks not only heavy but quite encumbering..it also
has a mask the attaches to the helmet..but in my experience..these
sorts of things are -very- difficult to breath through..[that is both
SCA and paintball experience]..Oh yea..the cost is $3400

> Could he still get
> permits? (IIRC, the legality rating was 4P-K ...)

Hmm..that depends on the source..if it is from a company that makes
armour to order..sure why not..If the maker is a shadow
armourer..definitely not...Of course this also depends on the
availability of a sin [forged or otherwise] to the PC..

> IMO, the stats should be the same bit it should cost two or three times
> more and permits should be available (but become useless if it was used
> in a crime ...

I disagree..if there are permits for the armour and it is used in a
crime and positively identified..it would be very useful..at least to
the Star ;)

I would also increase all movement test by a +1 or +2
and for a crowded office probably +2 or +3
I would also increase stealth tests by +2 or +3

>I think he just wanted it molded to look like it ... maybe even a
>cheap knock off ...

Hmm..now if all he wants is sec armour with a sammy motif..I would
say sure..make it cost about 1.5 times standard cost...but all you
really get is a different look..I don't see a prob with that at
all..as a matter of fact if there weren't different styles in this
fashion I would be -very- surprised..I can see whole lines of
different styles..Knight style..Sammy style..Borg style [not
ST]..Stone style..ect.....

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"Rock Steady"
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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
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Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To See Them Driven Before You,
To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
I Am The LAW! -JD
Message no. 21
From: Grahamdrew <mnemonic25@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: The Samurai
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:30:36 -0400
> traditional samurai, huh?
>
> You may want to have your player do some research on them before he considers
> trying to play a true traditional smaurai. For instance, if they fail, they
> generally killed themselves rather than live with dishonor and the typical
> smaurai loved who he loved, regardless if it was a man or a woman.
>

Kinda an old post but....

The one AD&D sourcebook I use is called Oriental Adventures, had a bunch
of junk on the Samurai's code of honor and stuff. When one of my
players wanted to do the reincarnated Samurai that was what I pulled
out. Good referance source for any system if your planning on getting
involved in the Japanese Samurai stuff, if you are willing to track it
down.

Hit him over the head with it of course, but it's a good source of
infromation too....

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