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Message no. 1
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 02:28:39 -0500 (EST)
OK I realize I'm starting to sound like a Horror paranoid, but it's 2 a.m.,
and I just had a really odd idea. . .

Has FASA ever really come out and said that the setting of ED is Earth?
I was re-reading Threats, Portfolio of a Dragon, and the core rulebook, and
some things started clicking in my head.

1. Call me fixated, but those pics of the UFO on Mars in DS:PoaD really have
me wondering where FASA plans to go with this alien lifeform business.

2. Check out the small color text section in the critters section of the
core book. The part that contemplates just where Dragons and other
six-limbed critters came from.

3. The myriad comments about the dangers of magic in space, coupled with the
VERY intriguing mage in the Damien Knight story by Tom Dowd.

4. Stories about the Horrors coming from a distant plane, travelling along a
bridge, etc.

5. The Atlantean Conspiracy, and Elves working to control the Earth/summon
the horrors. Combined with the old "Chariots of the Gods" UFO/mythology deal.

All this informetion is leading me to one of several conclusions. . .
ED is either A) Earth's past - a possibility, and one that certainly stands
up to Occam's Razor. B) Another planet - and the elves, Dragons and Horrors
traveled here from there via UFO. C) And this one is looking promising -
Another Dimension/Alternate Timeline.

Right now, I'm thinking that B or C are good possibilities.
Here's why.

Everyone knows the elves are up to something.
We know the Horrors are coming from someplace else.
DS:PoaD points toward the possibility of life "elsewhere"
Horror Magic and Thread Magic are alien concepts to the SR world.
Fovea (from Atzlan) and the Big D's "Manastorm could be either dimensional
rifts, or rips in the time/space continuum.

I realize that this is all very disjointed, and I apologize for that, since
I'm posting in the wee hours of the morning. :-) (Why am I still concious? :-))

I'd like some feedback on this notion.
Where/when does ED take place?
Is magic something alien introduced to the planet Earth by strange visitors
from another planet?
Are dragons really aliens in disguise?
Are the metaplanes truly different dimensions?
Am I totally flipping my lid?
<flip. flip. flip. "Guess so!>



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"Hey...that bird's flying straight at the window...."
"Come and look at this guys! Don't worry...he won't get through..."


With many thanks to Hamish, the death by rhino Scot
Message no. 2
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:42:00 +0100
Steven A. Tinner said on 2:28/28 Sep 96...

> Has FASA ever really come out and said that the setting of ED is Earth?
> I was re-reading Threats, Portfolio of a Dragon, and the core rulebook, and
> some things started clicking in my head.

ED is set in the south of Russia -- compare the maps of the ED world
(Barsaive) to the area north of the Black Sea and you'll see it's pretty
obvious.

> 4. Stories about the Horrors coming from a distant plane, travelling along a
> bridge, etc.

The bridge is just a metaphore. The Horrors apparently come from a
metaplane that hasn't been discovered yet by (most) Sixth World-people,
because the mana level is too low to get through to it. Then again, I
don't think anyone visiting the Horrors' native plane would come back to
tell about it...

> All this informetion is leading me to one of several conclusions. . .
> ED is either A) Earth's past - a possibility, and one that certainly stands
> up to Occam's Razor.

This is what FASA have admitted, I believe. Although in the beginning when
ED was just out, they denied it high and low, all the evidence points to
this as being the right theory.

> B) Another planet - and the elves, Dragons and Horrors
> traveled here from there via UFO. C) And this one is looking promising -
> Another Dimension/Alternate Timeline.

I don't buy B, and C seems equally unlikely, going by what I said above.

> Everyone knows the elves are up to something.

Definitely. No doubt about it.

> We know the Horrors are coming from someplace else.

A metaplane.

> DS:PoaD points toward the possibility of life "elsewhere"

But with 1950s flying saucers?

> Horror Magic and Thread Magic are alien concepts to the SR world.

Ah yes, well, but think about all the different scientific and
"scientific" theories that were once believed to be the truth, but were
later proven wrong by new developments. Since magic appears to be a
WYTIWYG phenomenon (as opposed to, say, physics and chemistry), ED-style
magic doesn't happen in SR because people were thinking in a different
direction when magic came back to the world.

> Where/when does ED take place?

Southern Russia, some 10,000 years ago (Mark Steedman has the exact
answer to the "when" question).

> Am I totally flipping my lid?
> <flip. flip. flip. "Guess so!>

You're another one who's watched too much X-Files, I think :)

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Message no. 3
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:31:45 -0500 (EST)
>> DS:PoaD points toward the possibility of life "elsewhere"
>
>But with 1950s flying saucers?
>
Ok, since this topics gone on an odd bent, here's my thoughts.

Now, what ifthe Elves/dragons/horrors.whatever are really intedlligent life
from another planet, and they happen to fly 1950's looking fliying saucers.
Quite a bit of mid 20th century sci fi was based on early conceptions of
UFO's, and one of the earliest was the supposed crashed spaceship in the
40's that the gover4nement is supposed to bed hiding.

Maybe they:
A) crashed due to nav controls or whatever, or...

b) If they were horrors, maybe they died or went into asortof torpor dur to
low magic level.

Either way is silly, granted, but... Italmost makes a weird kind of sense...


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Message no. 4
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:24:36 -0500 (EST)
>ED is set in the south of Russia -- compare the maps of the ED world
>(Barsaive) to the area north of the Black Sea and you'll see it's pretty
>obvious.

So it is! I hadn't noticed the similarities before. Thanks! :-)

>> DS:PoaD points toward the possibility of life "elsewhere"
>
>But with 1950s flying saucers?

The more I think about this, the more I hope that that's either a hoax, some
new Ares interspace transport ship, or maybe even a free spirit with a sense
of humor. I certainly hope FASA doesn't add aliens to the game.).

>> Am I totally flipping my lid?
>> <flip. flip. flip. "Guess so!>
>
>You're another one who's watched too much X-Files, I think :)

Couldn't be. In all honesty, I've seen a total of maybe three full episodes! :-)
The previous post was the byproduct of no sleep, and a lot of caffeine and
sugar!



ADDITION TO STEVE TINNER'S FAMOUS LAST WORDS:
"Hey...that bird's flying straight at the window...."
"Come and look at this guys! Don't worry...he won't get through..."


With many thanks to Hamish, the death by rhino Scot
Message no. 5
From: Jonathan Wright <jwrigh01@********.ca>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:17:29 -0400 (EDT)
On Sat, 28 Sep 1996, Steven A. Tinner wrote:

> OK I realize I'm starting to sound like a Horror paranoid, but it's 2 a.m.,
> and I just had a really odd idea. . .
>
> Has FASA ever really come out and said that the setting of ED is Earth?
> I was re-reading Threats, Portfolio of a Dragon, and the core rulebook, and
> some things started clicking in my head.

[snipped]

> Everyone knows the elves are up to something.
> We know the Horrors are coming from someplace else.
> DS:PoaD points toward the possibility of life "elsewhere"
> Horror Magic and Thread Magic are alien concepts to the SR world.
> Fovea (from Atzlan) and the Big D's "Manastorm could be either dimensional
> rifts, or rips in the time/space continuum.
>
> I realize that this is all very disjointed, and I apologize for that, since
> I'm posting in the wee hours of the morning. :-) (Why am I still concious? :-))
>
> I'd like some feedback on this notion.
> Where/when does ED take place?
> Is magic something alien introduced to the planet Earth by strange visitors
> from another planet?
> Are dragons really aliens in disguise?
> Are the metaplanes truly different dimensions?
> Am I totally flipping my lid?
> <flip. flip. flip. "Guess so!>

I believe that Earthdawn is set in the past of our world, in
approximately the same geographic location as what is now the Soviet
(Dis) Union. Funny story how I came to this conclusion, preparing some
Earthdawn background lore for one of my campaigns and I used the spell
checker on my word processor. Caucavic Mountains (in ED) got tagged as
incorrect and the suggested correction was Caucasic, not being a
geography buff it took me a couple of minutes and a comparison of the
maps to realize they were quite similar.

As for the dragons being aliens, I hope not. It would just seem so
cheesy to me to have this huge history of magical phenomenon (ED and
Horrors) to draw from and cop out and say it's all due to alien beings.

The metaplanes are kind of weird. The most blatant thing I find strange
about them is that a projecting wizard simply leaves the Astral Plane
when he journeys to the metaplanes. Does the magician return to the same
spot he left the Astral Plane from? What if he/she returns to his
physical body?

This seems like a great way to get out from under a FAB net or enclosure
("I'll go on a metaplanar quest now. Oops changed my mind I'll take a
bit of drain and return to my physical body...") Or does one need to
have freedom of movement in the Astral Plane to access the metaplanes?

Have the metaplanes been fully explained by anyone? The Astral Plane has
some rough sense of geography compared to the Physical (it coincides in
the same locations), but the Metaplanes are just whacked out, they can be
accessed from any point on the Astral Plane and bear no real symmetry or
relation with either the Astral Plane or the Physical World.

Jon Wright
Message no. 6
From: "Brennan M. O'Keefe" <bmokeefe@**.com>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:58:15 -0500
> From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
> To: shadowrn@********.itribe.net
> Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
> Date: Saturday, September 28, 1996 7:42 AM

> Steven A. Tinner said on 2:28/28 Sep 96...

> > All this informetion is leading me to one of several conclusions. . .
> > ED is either A) Earth's past - a possibility, and one that certainly
stands
> > up to Occam's Razor.

> This is what FASA have admitted, I believe. Although in the beginning
when
> ED was just out, they denied it high and low, all the evidence points to
> this as being the right theory.

Talk to some of the Fasa folks at a con, and they tend to be a bit more
open about it. One of their main people (no names) admitted it outright a
few years ago when I cornered him after an Earthdawn game. In addition, the
author of one of the SR novels (Worlds Without End, maybe?) mentions a
couple of Earthdawn "prequels" she has in the works.

> > B) Another planet - and the elves, Dragons and Horrors
> > traveled here from there via UFO. C) And this one is looking promising
-
> > Another Dimension/Alternate Timeline.

Nobody ever seems to want to turn this logic around. What if the "aliens"
are nothing but manifestations of supernatural forces?
Message no. 7
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:23:19 -0700
Gurth wrote:
>
> Steven A. Tinner said on 2:28/28 Sep 96...
>
> > Has FASA ever really come out and said that the setting of ED is Earth?
> > I was re-reading Threats, Portfolio of a Dragon, and the core rulebook, and
> > some things started clicking in my head.
>
> ED is set in the south of Russia -- compare the maps of the ED world
> (Barsaive) to the area north of the Black Sea and you'll see it's pretty
> obvious.

<SNIP> part about the "bridge">

> > ED is either A) Earth's past - a possibility, and one that certainly stands
> > up to Occam's Razor.
>
> This is what FASA have admitted, I believe. Although in the beginning when
> ED was just out, they denied it high and low, all the evidence points to
> this as being the right theory.

I was always under the impression that an ebb or flow in the tide of
magic designated what S/R termed a "world." Shadowrun's setting is the
6th World, what we are in now (no magic) is the 5th world, Earthdawn is
set in the 4th World and so on...make sense to anyone else?


@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Message no. 8
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:23:51 +0100
Brennan M. O'Keefe said on 9:58/29 Sep 96...

> Talk to some of the Fasa folks at a con, and they tend to be a bit more
> open about it.

A bit hard, over here... The only time I've met a FASA rep was about 3
months before ED came out, but from the flyer I immediately started to
expect it was SR-related (if only because it had all the same PC races).

> One of their main people (no names) admitted it outright a few years ago
> when I cornered him after an Earthdawn game. In addition, the author of
> one of the SR novels (Worlds Without End, maybe?) mentions a couple of
> Earthdawn "prequels" she has in the works.

It's been firmly established now that ED is SR's past. Harley et al come
from that time, and WWE makes it even clearer for those who didn't know
already. The other two novels (are they out by now?) are set in the ED
universe.

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Message no. 9
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:23:51 +0100
Loki said on 14:23/29 Sep 96...

> I was always under the impression that an ebb or flow in the tide of
> magic designated what S/R termed a "world." Shadowrun's setting is the
> 6th World, what we are in now (no magic) is the 5th world, Earthdawn is
> set in the 4th World and so on...make sense to anyone else?

That's exactly the explanation I've heard lots of times, and the one I
tend to go along with. For those who've never read Ehran's speech to the
YET, the first sighting of a great dragon marks the beginning of a world,
and the time the last great dragon goes to sleep is the end of one. The
sinking of Thera (Atlantis) also happened at the end of the Fourth World,
and Japanese people spotting Ryumyo was the beginning of the Sixth.

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Message no. 10
From: "Caric" <caric@*******.com>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:21:29 -0700
> I was always under the impression that an ebb or flow in the tide of
> magic designated what S/R termed a "world." Shadowrun's setting is the
> 6th World, what we are in now (no magic) is the 5th world, Earthdawn is
> set in the 4th World and so on...make sense to anyone else?
>
>
> @>-,--'--- Loki
<Nod>

Caric
Message no. 11
From: Joker <s1057948@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:48:37 +1000 (EST)
> Ok, since this topics gone on an odd bent, here's my thoughts.
>
> Now, what ifthe Elves/dragons/horrors.whatever are really intedlligent life
> from another planet, and they happen to fly 1950's looking fliying saucers.
> Quite a bit of mid 20th century sci fi was based on early conceptions of
> UFO's, and one of the earliest was the supposed crashed spaceship in the
> 40's that the gover4nement is supposed to bed hiding.
>

This may be a little silly, but.....

The magic level in the world is currently well below its maximum... it
will get a lot higher during the Horror invasion (which by common
consensus seems to be occuring).

Who can really say what things are possible in a higher level of magic??
Perhaps you could get teleport spells. Or a magical way of generating
oxygen. Perhaps a mana line akin to a ley line could form between the
planets given a high enough level of magic (If you hyptothesise that Mars
is 'alive').

It's possible that a colony civilisation existed on Mars during the
Earthdawn time, courtsey of teleportation etc.


Or (Gawd) The expedition to Mars has discovered the ruins of Parlainth
or an equivalent city, moved by magic to escape the horrors..

Bleach
Message no. 12
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 02:44:25 -0500 (EST)
>The magic level in the world is currently well below its maximum... it
>will get a lot higher during the Horror invasion (which by common
>consensus seems to be occuring).

I'm under the impression that the mana level is rising MUCH quicker than
anyone expects.
None of the immortals are prepared for the Horrors yet. They don't think
they;ll arrive for some time.
Also, with all the references to magic being like a sine wave, doesn't a
wave that contracts increase in energy?
Seems that if the 6th World is shorter, and by all accounts, the 5th didn't
last as long as the 3rd AFAIK, then won't the magic in SR be stronger than
in ED?

>Who can really say what things are possible in a higher level of magic??
>Perhaps you could get teleport spells.

This has already been introduced for NPC's. Mr. Darke can teleport I think.

>Or a magical way of generating
>oxygen. Perhaps a mana line akin to a ley line could form between the
>planets given a high enough level of magic (If you hyptothesise that Mars
>is 'alive').

That's an interesting concept!
Perhaps that's how that Ares Mage managed to learn to cast spells in space.
Could a mana line be BUILT somehow?
It sounds like the Horrors are making a "mana bridge" to cross the
dimensional planes, why not the physical?

>Or (Gawd) The expedition to Mars has discovered the ruins of Parlainth
>or an equivalent city, moved by magic to escape the horrors..

SICK!
REAL SICK!
I like it! :-)



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"C'mon, let's give 'em two more turns to live."
Message no. 13
From: "Spike" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:52:22 +0100 (BST)
|>Who can really say what things are possible in a higher level of magic??
|>Perhaps you could get teleport spells.
|
|This has already been introduced for NPC's. Mr. Darke can teleport I think.

As can Ehran and Harlequin....

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Message no. 14
From: Max Rible <cheshire@*****.com>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:52:54 -0800
At 02:44 10/1/96 -0500, Steven A. Tinner wrote:
>I'm under the impression that the mana level is rising MUCH quicker than
>anyone expects.
>None of the immortals are prepared for the Horrors yet. They don't think
>they;ll arrive for some time.

Though they have preparations already in place. I recall a reference in
the Tir Tairngire sourcebook to some sort of big ward, and Tir na nOg
already has the Veil. I suspect that these are preludes to another
Dome of Air and Fire or whatever it was Thera used to hide from the Horrors...

>>Who can really say what things are possible in a higher level of magic??
>>Perhaps you could get teleport spells.

>This has already been introduced for NPC's. Mr. Darke can teleport I think.

The only teleportation I've seen is that in the climax of Harlequin, and
someone suggested that's actually the Lightbearer power.

>>Or a magical way of generating
>>oxygen. Perhaps a mana line akin to a ley line could form between the
>>planets given a high enough level of magic (If you hyptothesise that Mars
>>is 'alive').

>That's an interesting concept!

You can already cast Oxygenate and Nutrition; these imply that you can
create permanent matter using magic. (This is something that I haven't
seen addressed in Shadowrun magic: if you can use all these spells with
elemental effects, do the elements stick around afterwards? Can you use
an acid spell as a way of generating acid? What about inventing a sustained
spell that creates matter slowly and quickening it? There are some scary
possibilities.)

Just imagine a group of Big Powerful Mages using rituals like the ones being
used in Amazonia to terraform Mars with magic...

>>Or (Gawd) The expedition to Mars has discovered the ruins of Parlainth
>>or an equivalent city, moved by magic to escape the horrors..
>
>SICK!
>REAL SICK!
>I like it! :-)

So do I. It turns out the pyramids of Mars were actually kaers transported
from Earth, and are surrounded by failed attempts to terraform the world...
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Message no. 15
From: Jonathan Wright <jwrigh01@********.ca>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:09:43 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Spike wrote:

> |>Who can really say what things are possible in a higher level of magic??
> |>Perhaps you could get teleport spells.
> |
> |This has already been introduced for NPC's. Mr. Darke can teleport I think.
>
> As can Ehran and Harlequin....
>

I think their ability to teleport is simply the Netherwalk spell from
Earthdawn (it's not inherently as dangerous right now as their are no
Horrors or pollution in the astral plane).

Jon Wright
Message no. 16
From: RDCX39A@*******.com (MR CHRIS R READLE)
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:28:23, -0500
-- [ From: Chris Readle * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] --

>
> >Who can really say what things are possible in a higher level of
magic??
> >Perhaps you could get teleport spells.
>
> This has already been introduced for NPC's. Mr. Darke can teleport I
think.
>
So can Harlequin(and probably all the oldies....they appear to still
have access to the ED spells) he did it at the very end of the first
Harlequin book way back in 1st ed.

chris
Message no. 17
From: RAY MACEY <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 14:47:42 +1000 (EST)
[snip]

> The metaplanes are kind of weird. The most blatant thing I find strange
> about them is that a projecting wizard simply leaves the Astral Plane
> when he journeys to the metaplanes. Does the magician return to the same
> spot he left the Astral Plane from? What if he/she returns to his
> physical body?

You cannot enter the Meta Planes from the Astral. You have to project
straight there.

> This seems like a great way to get out from under a FAB net or enclosure
> ("I'll go on a metaplanar quest now. Oops changed my mind I'll take a
> bit of drain and return to my physical body...") Or does one need to
> have freedom of movement in the Astral Plane to access the metaplanes?

Not useful. See above comment.

> Have the metaplanes been fully explained by anyone? The Astral Plane has
> some rough sense of geography compared to the Physical (it coincides in
> the same locations), but the Metaplanes are just whacked out, they can be
> accessed from any point on the Astral Plane and bear no real symmetry or
> relation with either the Astral Plane or the Physical World.

That's right. They are completely whacked out, and unrelated to the
Astral or the Physical world.


Ray.

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Message no. 18
From: GRANITE <granite@**.net>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 03:44:43 -0700
Steven A. Tinner wrote:
> Has FASA ever really come out and said that the setting of ED is Earth?


Yes...

> 1. Call me fixated, but those pics of the UFO on Mars in DS:PoaD really have
> me wondering where FASA plans to go with this alien lifeform business.
>

HHmmmmm....This is interesting..There is a city in ED that was lost in the
last scourge..they took themsleves into astral space or somwhere..Mars??
Hmmmm....It sounds good..

> Where/when does ED take place?

South of Russia..Somewhen about 30k to 13k I can't remember which..But I
think it was closer to 30K years ago..and don't go quoting the Aztech
calander to me..Aztechs aren't even mentioned in ED..And the while the coming
and going of magic is discribed as a sine wave..it is not a sine wave..and is
discribed as being anything but regular in its coming and going..getting
*stuck* at different levels...

> Am I totally flipping my lid?
> <flip. flip. flip. "Guess so!>

Yes..you need more sleep...
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Message no. 19
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:02:42 +0100 (BST)
|HHmmmmm....This is interesting..There is a city in ED that was lost in the
|last scourge..they took themsleves into astral space or somwhere..Mars??
|Hmmmm....It sounds good..

If you're walking about the city of Parlainth, that one returned after the
scourge. (It was recalled by someone....).
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Message no. 20
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:35:19 GMT
GRANITE writes
>
> > 1. Call me fixated, but those pics of the UFO on Mars in DS:PoaD really have
> > me wondering where FASA plans to go with this alien lifeform business.
> >
>
> HHmmmmm....This is interesting..There is a city in ED that was lost in the
> last scourge..they took themsleves into astral space or somwhere..Mars??
> Hmmmm....It sounds good..
Parlainth was ported into the metaplanes, it since came back after
someone used 'the longing ring' basically one item left behind to be
found and bring it back.

>
> > Where/when does ED take place?
>
> South of Russia.
The seas can be matched up with an atlas.

> .Somewhen about 30k to 13k I can't remember which..But I
its about 7000, hence the notes on H etc over 7000 years old, the
forth world ended arround 3000 something BC, i have decent figures
back to about the start of the sourge in ED someplace.

> think it was closer to 30K years ago..and don't go quoting the Aztech
> calander to me..Aztechs aren't even mentioned in ED..And the while the coming
Mayan calander, even Ehran (ehran to YET, FASA flyer) admits thier
calander is fairly close. And no they won't be in ED because in
FASA's world the mayan/Aztech etc civilisations were all founded
about the time Thera blew up due to lack of magic and the Therams had
to find other places to live.

> and going of magic is discribed as a sine wave..it is not a sine wave..and is
> discribed as being anything but regular in its coming and going..getting
> *stuck* at different levels...
I have seen a suggestion thats this is due to folks using blood magic
to fiddle the magic level.

Have you read more ED than me and have this as fact or are you
guessing? i go on interpolation and what folks i know have read most
of ED claim.

Mark
Message no. 21
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:09:26 +0100
A Halliwell said on 12:02/ 4 Oct 96...

> |HHmmmmm....This is interesting..There is a city in ED that was lost in the
> |last scourge..they took themsleves into astral space or somwhere..Mars??
> |Hmmmm....It sounds good..
>
> If you're walking about the city of Parlainth, that one returned after the
> scourge. (It was recalled by someone....).

See the The Longing Ring novel by Chris Kubasik -- J'Role the honorable
thief finds it because of the ring that was made to bring it back after
the Scourge. Too bad (for the inhabitants) the Horrors had gotten to it
before he did...

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Message no. 22
From: GRANITE <granite@**.net>
Subject: Re: The "S" Files - Conspiracy Paranoia
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 16:21:00 -0700
Mark Steedman wrote:
> Mayan calander,

Same differance..

> I have seen a suggestion thats this is due to folks using blood magic
> to fiddle the magic level.
>

Hmmmm..interesting theory...

> Have you read more ED than me and have this as fact or are you
> guessing? i go on interpolation and what folks i know have read most
> of ED claim.
>

Actually..Dimmly remembered fact..I do not know exacty how much you have
read..I have read the cor rules a couple of adventures..the first 4
novels..and 3 or 4 other rule books..as well as having been on the original
ED list when if first started and most of the messages were something like
"Is anybody out there??" [echo effect on]...I haven't reread the stuff in
over a year so I am a little rusty..I even have a signed and numbered red
cover edition of the core rules..
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