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Message no. 1
From: Scott W iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: The Weird-Sh!#-O-Meter just keeps on climbing...
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:51:23 -0300
Tired of filling 'er up down at the 'ol service station? Clouds got
your solar powered car down? You need an engine that runs on nothing.
Check out: http://www.entropysystems.com/Product.htm

Pretty wacky stuff.
This link comes courtesy of the fine folks at Toshi Station,
http://www.toshistation.com/
the best Star Wars site ever, ever. Check it out, it'll make ya laugh.

Also, I picked up Popular Science (October) a while ago, entitled,
"Body of the Future." Some neato widgets in there too, including
tweezers for micron-sized things, a micro-chip for your eye (sight for
those who've lost it), gene therapy, polymer implants for
nearsightedness, manufactured skin, and a clock/radio that costs over
$400 USD.

The Six-Million Dollar Man is a ways off, but not too far :)

-Boondocker

"If he'd pay me the money he's spendin' to
make me stop robbin' him, I'd stop robbin' him!"

-Butch Cassidy,
Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
Message no. 2
From: Allen Versfeld moe@*******.com
Subject: The Weird-Sh!#-O-Meter just keeps on climbing...
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:32:16 +0200
Scott W wrote:
>
> Tired of filling 'er up down at the 'ol service station? Clouds got
> your solar powered car down? You need an engine that runs on nothing.
> Check out: http://www.entropysystems.com/Product.htm

I had a quick look... Quite, er, interesting :-)
I read the technical description, and am somewhat confused as to how
they expect this to work... No wonder "we haven't yet managed to get
the energy produced to exceed the friction"...

cheers
--
Allen Versfeld
moe@*******.com

QANTI CANICVLA ILLA IN FENESTRA
Message no. 3
From: Frank Pelletier (Trinity) fpelletier@******.usherb.ca
Subject: The Weird-Sh!#-O-Meter just keeps on climbing...
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:25:01 -0400
Allen Versfeld <moe@*******.com> once wrote,

> I had a quick look... Quite, er, interesting :-)
> I read the technical description, and am somewhat confused as to how
> they expect this to work... No wonder "we haven't yet managed to get
> the energy produced to exceed the friction"...

<Homer>

Lisa, in this house we RESPECT THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!

</Homer>

Freaky, to say the least... Seems like another "Pay me 100,000 and I'll
show you my Water-based engine" thingie.. but then again, in a world where
Quantum physics are generally accepted (I'm no physics major, don't flame
me, I just heard they were quite..bizarre), I don't think anything surprises
me anymore.

Trinity
---------------------------------------------
Frank Pelletier
fpelletier@******.usherb.ca
"Let them hate me, provided they fear me" - Atreus

Trinity- on the Undernet and EFNet
Message no. 4
From: Arclight arclight@*********.de
Subject: The Weird-Sh!#-O-Meter just keeps on climbing...
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:31:02 +0200
And finally, Trinity expressed himself by writing:

<snip>

> <Homer>
>
> Lisa, in this house we RESPECT THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!
>
> </Homer>

:)

> Freaky, to say the least... Seems like another "Pay me 100,000 and I'll
> show you my Water-based engine" thingie.. but then again, in a

There is a functioning water-based engine in France,
the car is capable of 120km/h and has about the size of a 2CV.

arclight
Message no. 5
From: Allen Versfeld moe@****.wandata.com
Subject: The Weird-Sh!#-O-Meter just keeps on climbing...
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:35:59 +0200
Arclight wrote:
>
> And finally, Trinity expressed himself by writing:
>
> <snip>
>
> > <Homer>
> >
> > Lisa, in this house we RESPECT THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!
> >
> > </Homer>
>
> :)
>
> > Freaky, to say the least... Seems like another "Pay me 100,000 and I'll
> > show you my Water-based engine" thingie.. but then again, in a
>
> There is a functioning water-based engine in France,
> the car is capable of 120km/h and has about the size of a 2CV.
>
> arclight

But that'll be a steam-engine, right? As opposed to using water as the
fuel?

--
Allen Versfeld
moe@*******.com

QANTI CANICVLA ILLA IN FENESTRA
Message no. 6
From: Steve Collins einan@*********.net
Subject: The Weird-Sh!#-O-Meter just keeps on climbing...
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 99 08:59:50 -0400
On 10/1/99 3:25 am, Frank Pelletier (Trinity) said:

>Allen Versfeld <moe@*******.com> once wrote,
>
>> I had a quick look... Quite, er, interesting :-)
>> I read the technical description, and am somewhat confused as to how
>> they expect this to work... No wonder "we haven't yet managed to get
>> the energy produced to exceed the friction"...
>
><Homer>
>
>Lisa, in this house we RESPECT THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!
>
></Homer>
>
>Freaky, to say the least... Seems like another "Pay me 100,000 and I'll
>show you my Water-based engine" thingie.. but then again, in a world where
>Quantum physics are generally accepted (I'm no physics major, don't flame
>me, I just heard they were quite..bizarre), I don't think anything surprises
>me anymore.
>

I think I see the flaw in it. They neglected to mention where the energy
to run the rotor was coming from. If you could somehow make the rotor
spin for no cost then I think their system would work but, without some
kind of external energy input to the rotor you are back to the old Carnot
cycle (the theoretical maximum efficiency a compression engine can have),
and will never get more energy out than the friction.

Steve
Message no. 7
From: Arclight arclight@*********.de
Subject: The Weird-Sh!#-O-Meter just keeps on climbing...
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:51:32 +0200
And finally, Allan Versfeld expressed himself by writing:

<snip>

> > There is a functioning water-based engine in France,
> > the car is capable of 120km/h and has about the size of a 2CV.
> >
> > arclight
>
> But that'll be a steam-engine, right? As opposed to using water as the
> fuel?

Well, I saw it some time ago, but a steam engine wouldn't be
that spectacular I think. And I cannot recall that the engine needed
something besides water...

arclight
Message no. 8
From: Gideon, Pawn of Chaos ghayers@*****.com
Subject: The Weird-Sh!#-O-Meter just keeps on climbing...
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:43:33 -0500
On 1 Oct 99 08:59:50 -0400, Steve Collins <einan@*********.net> wrote:

>I think I see the flaw in it. They neglected to mention where the energy
>to run the rotor was coming from. If you could somehow make the rotor
>spin for no cost then I think their system would work but, without some
>kind of external energy input to the rotor you are back to the old Carnot
>cycle (the theoretical maximum efficiency a compression engine can have),
>and will never get more energy out than the friction.

Just a small nit to pick here. The Carnot cycle refers to the
maximum efficiency of heat engines, usually exemplified as the
maximum amount of work you can extract from a heat engine (such as an
internal combustion engine) operating between two temperature
extremes. Around the time that students are introduced to this
concept, they are Usually introduced to the first and second laws of
thermodynamics.

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