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From:	"GCS/MU d? -P+ c++ l u-(+) e+(++) m(+)(*)@ s/+ n-(---) h f+@ w+
Subject:	This hardened armor stuffer
Date:	Sat, 9 Oct 1993 23:18:20 -0400

Message no. 1 OK, so what do you say to the person with armor of 10/9 on a good day, 3/3
on a really bad day (orthoskin is a wonderful thing:) -- ok, so it's a good
day, he (*I*) is wearing his light sec. and helmut, being fired at by a
gun that does, oh, 8S (for the hell of it -- I just picked the damage
code out of the blue). Note that 8-10=(-2). Does he still have to roll
against 2's and take damage as though his ballistic was 6? If so, why in
the HELL would the higher armor even exist???

Personal opinion: the roll should be made to check for rule of 1's, but if
the char has at least one 2 floating around, the bullet is deflected.
This, chummers, makes a LOT more sense than completely ignoring the fact
that he's wearing more armor than the bullet has power. And if you don't
even need to bother w/ the sec. armor, what about Armor Jacket?
Houndstooth? (Makes a difference... I'm 6/6 wearing a Houndstooth,
resisting, oh, a light pistol w/ 6L. I say it bounces off -- that's WHY
I'm wearing armor!)

--Short Fuse

"A hole in the head is worth 2 in the foot..."

From:	Doctor Doom <JCH8169@*****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject:	This Hardened Armor Stuffer
Date:	Sun, 10 Oct 1993 02:42:17 -0500

Message no. 2 From Herr Short Fuse:

>code out of the blue). Note that 8-10=(-2). Does he still have to roll
>against 2's and take damage as though his ballistic was 6? If so, why in
>the HELL would the higher armor even exist???

Due to the wide variety and range of Damage Codes. Sniper rifles attempt to
bestow 14S damage...Assault cannons 18D (?) and so on. Every little armor
point counts, so to speak.

>Personal opinion: the roll should be made to check for rule of 1's, but if
>the char has at least one 2 floating around, the bullet is deflected.

Precisely. Essentially, one is determining as to whe'er one experiences the
much-feared Critical Failure. In this instance, the Target is made victim of
the most ruinous Dark Fortune, and as such, his armor, despite being more
powerful, has not succeeded in protecting him. This seems a reasonable test to
make, given the statistically improbable event encompassed in Critical Failures
involving several (6+) dice.

This should not be taken to mean that one spontaneously shuffles off this
mortal coil, rather that they DO, in fact, become proud recipients of damage.

>This, chummers, makes a LOT more sense than completely ignoring the fact
>that he's wearing more armor than the bullet has power. And if you don't
>even need to bother w/ the sec. armor, what about Armor Jacket?

Further, as has been previously pointed out, the description of HARD armor
should not be confused with HARDENED Armor, which is of a significantly more
durable (and heavy) variety. Were these terms synonymous, one could claim that
armored clothing, as it is technically hard, could be denoted as Hardened, and
thus recipient of the various and assundary advantages this type of protection
affords.

>"A hole in the head is worth 2 in the foot..."

Hhhhmmmmmmmm... Everything you always wanted in a wound...and less.

Colonel Count von Hohenzollern und von Doom, DMSc, DSc, PhD.

Doom Technologies & Weapon Systems -- Dark Thought Publications
>>> Working on solutions best left in the dark.
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