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Message no. 1
From: Dvixen dvixen@********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting. :)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:59:48 -0800
<html>
<font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#0000FF"><b><div align="right">
Before anyone starts screaming, I noticed that in the message that I got
when I subscribed, I had the option to receive text only or mime encoded
posts.<br>
<br>
</b><i></div>
The info was included in the <b>welcome message</b> I got when I signed
onto the list.<br>
<br>
</i><div align="center">
With that</font><font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#008000"> in
mind,</font><font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#0000FF"> I'm
sending a message with as much formatting as I can think of,
which</font><font face="MS Serif, Geneva" color="#0000FF">
may not be
much, since I've never sent a post with anything
bu</font><font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#0000FF">t plain text
before! :)<br>
<br>
</div>
<div align="right">
I have no idea how to even think about writing with html... Hrm. At any
rate... My own options</font><font face="Dolphin"
color="#0000FF"> are to
receive text mails, instead of mime encoded, so here's to seeing what
comes bac</font><font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#0000FF">k.
:)<br>
<br>
</font><br>
<div>--</div>
<div>Dvixen - dvixen@********.com - dvixen@****.com</div>
<div>Herkimer's Lair -
<a href="http://shadowrun.html.com/hlair";
EUDORA=AUTOURL>http://shadowrun.html.com/hlair</a></div>;
<div>&quot;What's your sign?&quot; - &quot;Trespassers will be
shot.&quot;</div>
Comments/Questions accepted, flames dropped into the abyss.
</html>
Message no. 2
From: Stefan casanova@***.passagen.se
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting. :)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:07:14 +0000
> <html>
> <font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#0000FF"><b><div align="right">
> Before anyone starts screaming, I noticed that in the message that I got
> when I subscribed, I had the option to receive text only or mime encoded
> posts.<br>
> <br>
> </b><i></div>
> The info was included in the <b>welcome message</b> I got when I signed
> onto the list.<br>
> <br>
> </i><div align="center">
> With that</font><font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#008000"> in
> mind,</font><font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#0000FF"> I'm
> sending a message with as much formatting as I can think of,
> which</font><font face="MS Serif, Geneva"
color="#0000FF"> may not be
> much, since I've never sent a post with anything
> bu</font><font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#0000FF">t plain text
> before! :)<br>
> <br>
> </div>
> <div align="right">
> I have no idea how to even think about writing with html... Hrm. At any
> rate... My own options</font><font face="Dolphin"
color="#0000FF"> are to
> receive text mails, instead of mime encoded, so here's to seeing what
> comes bac</font><font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#0000FF">k.
> :)<br>
> <br>
> </font><br>
> <div>--</div>
> <div>Dvixen - dvixen@********.com - dvixen@****.com</div>
> <div>Herkimer's Lair -
> <a href="http://shadowrun.html.com/hlair";
EUDORA=AUTOURL>http://shadowrun.html.com/hlair</a></div>;
> <div>&quot;What's your sign?&quot; - &quot;Trespassers will be
> shot.&quot;</div>
> Comments/Questions accepted, flames dropped into the abyss.
> </html>

I doubt that would pass a HTML check :) Gee how much I hate HTML
coded emails ... bah ...

/Stefan


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Message no. 3
From: Dvixen dvixen@********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:02:36 -0800
At 02:59 PM 29/01/99 -0800, I wrote a bunch of formatted garbage:

Damn.

Ah well. ;)


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Message no. 4
From: Dave Post caelric@****.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:11:49 -0800
At 03:02 PM 1/29/99 -0800, you wrote:
>At 02:59 PM 29/01/99 -0800, I wrote a bunch of formatted garbage:
>
>Damn.
>
>Ah well. ;)
>
>
It came through all funky and formatted on mine. Blue color, different
fonts, etc...


I think it depends on what mailer you use to recieve it. Eudora Lite in my
case

Dave
Message no. 5
From: Dvixen dvixen@********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:12:01 -0800
At 03:02 PM 29/01/99 -0800, you wrote:
>At 02:59 PM 29/01/99 -0800, I wrote a bunch of formatted garbage:
>
>Damn.
>
>Ah well. ;)

Whiups. that was for Digests.

Well, someone in digest format tell me the formatting got removed. :)

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Message no. 6
From: Dvixen dvixen@********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:14:31 -0800
At 03:11 PM 29/01/99 -0800, you wrote:
>At 03:02 PM 1/29/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>At 02:59 PM 29/01/99 -0800, I wrote a bunch of formatted garbage:
>>
>>Damn.
>>
>>Ah well. ;)
>>
>>
>It came through all funky and formatted on mine. Blue color, different
>fonts, etc...
>
>
>I think it depends on what mailer you use to recieve it. Eudora Lite in my
>case

I was hoping that the listserve stripps html code. :>

But alas, I'm SOL. I'll chat with Mark to see how possible this might be...

>Dave
>
>

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Message no. 7
From: NEWSHADOW@***.com NEWSHADOW@***.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting. :)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:18:15 EST
In a message dated 1/29/99 3:11:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, caelric@****.com
writes:

> It came through all funky and formatted on mine. Blue color, different
> fonts, etc...
>

Same here. I also the tags you were using.

NewShadow
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/6852/index.html
Message no. 8
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting. :)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:20:17 +0100
According to Dvixen, at 14:59 on 29 Jan 99, the word on
the street was...

I have no idea how to even think about writing with html... Hrm. At any
rate... My own options are to receive text mails, instead of mime encoded,
so here's to seeing what comes back. :)

Is there a way to force the listserver to remove all formatting? If so, it
would be very handy if that could be switched on, to avoid any HTML mails
that some idio^H^H^H^H new listmembers :) insist on sending -- it'd
certainly make GridSec's job easier.

Also, this is my first real test to see if Pegasus really does remove HTML
etc. if it has the "Always remove formatting" option selected... *crosses
fingers*

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Message no. 9
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting.
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:37:29 -0800
>Is there a way to force the listserver to remove all formatting? If so, it
>would be very handy if that could be switched on, to avoid any HTML mails
>that some idio^H^H^H^H new listmembers :) insist on sending -- it'd
>certainly make GridSec's job easier.

I checked at the site that makes the pogram, and such a thing is under
development, but is not currently available.


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Message no. 10
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting. :)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:12:05 -0500
Stefan wrote:
> > <html>
> > <font face="Courier New, Courier"
color="#0000FF"><b><div align="right">
> > Before anyone starts screaming, I noticed that in the message that I got
> > when I subscribed, I had the option to receive text only or mime encoded
> > posts.<br>
[snip]
> > Comments/Questions accepted, flames dropped into the abyss.
> > </html>
>
> I doubt that would pass a HTML check :) Gee how much I hate HTML
> coded emails ... bah ...
>
Well, seeing as it's missing the only element absolutely required in
all HTML documents (title), I agree... :-)

It's not HTML coded email that I dislike - it's generated HTML that
I dislike. It really isn't that hard to generate legal, legible HTML;
it's just that nobody bothers to do it. Grr.

James Ojaste
Message no. 11
From: Lehlan Decker DeckerL@******.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting.
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:50:08 -0500
>It's not HTML coded email that I dislike - it's generated HTML
>that I dislike. It really isn't that hard to generate legal, legible
>HTML; it's just that nobody bothers to do it. Grr.

That is because you have so many folks who never actually
learned it the hardway, when there was no fancy editor, and you
had only vi and alittle imagination. You then throw in microsoft's
various products, which tend to butcher converted documents etc,
and you get illegible ugly code. These days you don't have to be
even computer literate to generate an HTML document.
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Message no. 12
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting. :)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:40:27 -0500
Lehlan Decker wrote:
> >It's not HTML coded email that I dislike - it's generated HTML
> >that I dislike. It really isn't that hard to generate legal, legible
> >HTML; it's just that nobody bothers to do it. Grr.
>
> That is because you have so many folks who never actually
> learned it the hardway, when there was no fancy editor, and you
> had only vi and alittle imagination. You then throw in microsoft's
>
"Only vi", he says. That's like saying "with only a Barret 121..."
;-)

> various products, which tend to butcher converted documents etc,
> and you get illegible ugly code. These days you don't have to be
> even computer literate to generate an HTML document.
>
Ah, but therein lies the problem - it's not actually generating an
HTML document, just a document that *looks* like HTML. Or, more
precisely, a document that the popular two web browsers are willing
to accept as HTML while the standards spin in their graves.

Hmm. Maybe I should set up a proxy that runs a validator on all viewed
web pages and mails the output to the appropriate webmaster... >:-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 13
From: Lehlan Decker DeckerL@******.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting.
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:22:00 -0500
>Hmm. Maybe I should set up a proxy that runs a validator on all
>viewed web pages and mails the output to the appropriate
>webmaster...

Heh..there are actually quite a few websites out there to check
HTML code, and quite a few puke or give errors depending on the
generator you use. I still tend to do everything in emacs (I lied, I
hate vi), except for occasional table layout, when excel does a
reasonable job on huge documents.
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Message no. 14
From: Starjammer starjammer@**********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting.:)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:04:56 -0500
At 01:50 PM 2/1/99 -0500, Lehlan Decker wrote:
>
>That is because you have so many folks who never actually
>learned [HTML] the hardway, when there was no fancy editor, and you
>had only vi and alittle imagination. You then throw in microsoft's
>various products, which tend to butcher converted documents etc,
>and you get illegible ugly code. These days you don't have to be
>even computer literate to generate an HTML document.

No kidding. God save me from another "web designer" who has be tenderly
walked through the tremendous complexities of doing FTP uploads to a web
server.


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"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death
that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it
to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn
the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be
nothing. Only I will remain."
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Message no. 15
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggered formatting. :)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:37:54 -0500
Lehlan Decker wrote:
> >Hmm. Maybe I should set up a proxy that runs a validator on all
> >viewed web pages and mails the output to the appropriate
> >webmaster...
>
> Heh..there are actually quite a few websites out there to check
> HTML code, and quite a few puke or give errors depending on the
> generator you use. I still tend to do everything in emacs (I lied, I
>
Yeah, I've used a couple of those, but what I mean is sticking the
validator on the gateway such that anytime somebody on the LAN views
a web document, that document gets validated and spits the results
back to the maintainer. So every page that I see gets validated
for the edification of the webmaster responsible for the mess. :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 16
From: Ed equine@***********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggeredformatting.:)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:27:55 -0800
At 10:51 AM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Exactly. Now you have the distincition between a person who
>knows marketing/graphic artist, and a techy. To do a really nice
>web site, you need alittle of both. We have an ongoing conflict
>here at work between are marketing folks who know enough
>HTML to cause trouble and the tech person. They want it to do
>this or look like this, and can't get it through their skull why we
>can't do it that way.

Amen to that. I keep wanting to go somewhere else to do web design but
every place I have seen has their web group mixed in with the marketing
group. ACK. Marketing people suck.

I wonder how much a web designer would get paid in 2060?

Ed



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Message no. 17
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggeredformatting.:)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:41:07 -0700
At 10:27 2/2/99 -0800, Ed wrote:

>I wonder how much a web designer would get paid in 2060?

Sculpted System Designers would probably get good coin -- the good ones, at
least. I would think it's less of a "hack" job than it is now. Face it, any
jerk with FP '97 can write web pages and get paid for it now..

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Message no. 18
From: Lehlan Decker DeckerL@******.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggeredformatting.:)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:33:12 -0500
>I wonder how much a web designer would get paid in 2060?

The whole concept will be entirely different at that point would be
my guess. The web as we know it, probably isn't even around
after the crash, it was most likely rebuilt and updated afterwards.
The web was unknown (relatively) in 1993. 6 years later, if your
not on the web and using it, your business is already behind.
I can't even begin to hazard a guess about 10 years from now,
much less 60.
And your correct about marketing versus tech. I don't do nearly as
much design as I used to. The little bit of consulting I've done in
the recent past was more cocerning database connectivity
issues and security.
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Message no. 19
From: Starjammer starjammer@**********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggeredformatting.:)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:43:33 -0500
At 10:27 AM 2/2/99 -0800, Ed wrote:
>At 10:51 AM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Exactly. Now you have the distincition between a person who
>>knows marketing/graphic artist, and a techy. To do a really nice
>>web site, you need alittle of both. We have an ongoing conflict
>>here at work between are marketing folks who know enough
>>HTML to cause trouble and the tech person. They want it to do
>>this or look like this, and can't get it through their skull why we
>>can't do it that way.
>
>Amen to that. I keep wanting to go somewhere else to do web design but
>every place I have seen has their web group mixed in with the marketing
>group. ACK. Marketing people suck.

You think that's bad? The last ISP I worked at, the VP Marketing was over
the technical support department (don't ask me why). She also had the
clout to round up the best technical minds in the company (outside the NOC)
and put them into her pet prestige department (me included). Tried to turn
us into sales support weenies. I put up with that for the four months I
got to work in the NOC, then got the hell out.

>I wonder how much a web designer would get paid in 2060?

Well, probably no web designers in 2060. If you mean a Matrix host
designer, well, they've gotta be part Matrix jock, part architect, part
interior decorator, part landscape designer, and part security expert. I'd
imagine they get paid quite a bit.


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"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death
that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it
to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn
the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be
nothing. Only I will remain."
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Message no. 20
From: Ed equine@***********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggeredformatting.:)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:09:47 -0800
At 09:41 AM 2/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Sculpted System Designers would probably get good coin -- the good ones, at
>least. I would think it's less of a "hack" job than it is now. Face it, any
>jerk with FP '97 can write web pages and get paid for it now..

I guess it would be more program based in 2060. Unless someone made a GUI
interface so I could work on it like I work on VRML.

FP sucks. We had Microsoft come in and ask what we think they should do to
FP2000 and I wanted to tell them, "Keep it off the shelves." The only
problem is I might of been out of a job afterwards so I kept it to myself.

Does anyone have Microsoft in their SR world?

Ed




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Message no. 21
From: Ed equine@***********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggeredformatting.:)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:14:12 -0800
At 11:43 AM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>You think that's bad? The last ISP I worked at, the VP Marketing was over
>the technical support department (don't ask me why). She also had the
>clout to round up the best technical minds in the company (outside the NOC)
>and put them into her pet prestige department (me included). Tried to turn
>us into sales support weenies. I put up with that for the four months I
>got to work in the NOC, then got the hell out.

HAHAHA...I have been through the same thing. My old boss who was head of
Marketing was also head of the System Operators and Engineers for a while.
It was bad. Now we have been sold yet again....to Mindspring. (I
work...uh...worked for Netcom.)


>Well, probably no web designers in 2060. If you mean a Matrix host
>designer, well, they've gotta be part Matrix jock, part architect, part
>interior decorator, part landscape designer, and part security expert. I'd
>imagine they get paid quite a bit.

I better start expanding my field of expertise. I am no architect...nor am
I an expert at network security...come to think of it...I don't do any of
those...I just do web sites.

Ed



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Message no. 22
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggeredformatting.:)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:29:35 -0700
At 11:09 2/2/99 -0800, Ed wrote:
>At 09:41 AM 2/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>Sculpted System Designers would probably get good coin -- the good ones, at
>>least. I would think it's less of a "hack" job than it is now. Face it,
any
>>jerk with FP '97 can write web pages and get paid for it now..
>
>I guess it would be more program based in 2060. Unless someone made a GUI
>interface so I could work on it like I work on VRML.

I would assume that everyone had their own customized site building program
that let them work on it just how they want to. This isn't a Windows world
anymore -- in SR, your computer looks and acts like YOU want it to.

>Does anyone have Microsoft in their SR world?

Microdeck. I wonder if New Seattle has anything new about them. Steve?

-Adam
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Message no. 23
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggeredformatting.:)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:20:14 -0500
Starjammer wrote:
> >I wonder how much a web designer would get paid in 2060?
>
> Well, probably no web designers in 2060. If you mean a Matrix host
> designer, well, they've gotta be part Matrix jock, part architect, part
> interior decorator, part landscape designer, and part security expert.
> I'd
> imagine they get paid quite a bit.
>
Sorry, but how's that different from a web application developer? You
have to know the subtleties of the 'net, "architect" falls into the
"developer" (or at least "good developer") category, interior
decorator
and landscape designer are *sometimes* farmed out to a dedicated
artist (but usually not - here at least). Security has always been
a major concern.

I'll allow that what I mean by "web application developer" may not be
what you mean by "web designer", but still - the job's already here.

Just for the record, I *don't* get paid quite a bit (by my standards,
anyhow). That's 'cause I work for the government, though... :-/

James Ojaste
Message no. 24
From: Starjammer starjammer@**********.com
Subject: This message intentionally sent with buggeredformatting.:)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:57:46 -0500
At 11:14 AM 2/2/99 -0800, Ed wrote:
>
>HAHAHA...I have been through the same thing. My old boss who was head of
>Marketing was also head of the System Operators and Engineers for a while.
> It was bad. Now we have been sold yet again....to Mindspring. (I
>work...uh...worked for Netcom.)

Yah. I've been trying to get on with Mindspring in Atlanta, but it's rough
going. They don't have any internal positions that I'm qualified for, and
the damned staffing company that handles their tech support doesn't want to
put me on the Help Desk because I'm overqualified. I can't win for losing.


--
Starjammer - starjammer@**********.com - Marietta, GA

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death
that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it
to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn
the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be
nothing. Only I will remain."
-- Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Frank Herbert, Dune

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