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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Thoughts of a Soldier
Date: Wed Sep 12 20:20:01 2001
Forwarded words of an angry soldier:
>"This message is to all who feel that we should just go out and 'wipe the
enemies out'. You're all aghast >at the loss of the lives in the
terrorist incedents yesterday however you're more than willing to risk the
>lives of more of our us citizens by sending in our military to try to get
rid of the terrorists? Do you not >think that we soldiers have families too?
do you think that the thought of us deploying to a certian >deathzone
doesn't terrify our loved ones just as much if not more than the loss of the
loved ones in the >incedents? we are people too and don't deserve to have
our lives thrown away by someone else that doesn't >have the intestinal
fortitude to stand along side us and dodge bullets with us.....I for one
think that if >there are any of you out there that think that we should
hunt them down and kill them that you should be the >ones going and doing it
and not those of us that are here to try to defend our families and not to
go on a >stupid manhunt that's going to lead to another world war. Forward
THAT to everyone you know....if you care >about the value of human life
you'll realize that we soldiers are humans too and have families that will
>suffer just the same.
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Iridios)
Subject: Thoughts of a Soldier
Date: Wed Sep 12 20:45:00 2001
Derek Hyde wrote:
>
> Forwarded words of an angry soldier:
> >"This message is to all who feel that we should just go out and 'wipe the
> enemies out'. You're all aghast >at the loss of the lives in the
> terrorist incedents yesterday however you're more than willing to risk the
> >lives of more of our us citizens by sending in our military to try to get
> rid of the terrorists? Do you not >think that we soldiers have families too?
> do you think that the thought of us deploying to a certian >deathzone
> doesn't terrify our loved ones just as much if not more than the loss of the
> loved ones in the >incedents? we are people too and don't deserve to have
> our lives thrown away by someone else that doesn't >have the intestinal
> fortitude to stand along side us and dodge bullets with us.....I for one
> think that if >there are any of you out there that think that we should
> hunt them down and kill them that you should be the >ones going and doing it
> and not those of us that are here to try to defend our families and not to
> go on a >stupid manhunt that's going to lead to another world war. Forward
> THAT to everyone you know....if you care >about the value of human life
> you'll realize that we soldiers are humans too and have families that will
> >suffer just the same.

You can forward my reply back up the chain, hopefully back to whoever
wrote this.

America's military is an all volunteer force. Each and every one of you
have sworn to defend America from all threats both foreign and
domestic. Unfortunately this defense sometimes requires American
military personnel to put themselves in harms way and a sure death. If
you feel that your life is too valuable to give for that purpose, go to
the American Cemetaries all over the world to the fallen soldiers of
WWII, especially the cemetaries for those who died during the D-Day
invasion.

If you feel your life is too valuable, disobey your commanders and spend
your life in the stockades. You won't face death (unless you do this on
the battlefield) but I can promise that you will face a life of shame as
the other prisoners will not care for a coward (the only worse type of
prisoner in a military prison is a child molester).

If you felt your life is too valuable, why did you volunteer for the
military in the first place? No one forced you, no one asked you. The
opportunity was just laid out before you. You made the decision, you
recited the oath, you should be proud to serve your country to the best
of your ability, even if that means the loss of life.

Signed,
Former U.S. Air Force enlisted.
Son of U.S. Marine enlisted, Vietnam Veteran.
Nephew of U.S.A.F enlisted, Korean Veteran.
Nephew of U.S. Army enlisted, WWII Veteran.

P.S. I was still in the Air Force during the Gulf War and tried to
volunteer for deployment to the Gulf but was disallowed.

--
Iridios
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Iridios)
Subject: Thoughts of a Soldier
Date: Wed Sep 12 20:50:01 2001
Derek Hyde wrote:
>
> Forwarded words of an angry soldier:
> >"This message is to all who feel that we should just go out and 'wipe the
> enemies out'. You're all aghast >at the loss of the lives in the
> terrorist incedents yesterday however you're more than willing to risk the
> >lives of more of our us citizens by sending in our military to try to get
> rid of the terrorists?

Derek, I believe that you are not the author of this ****. At least I
hope not, but it belittles the sacrifice of all those who have given
their lives in previous wars.

And I forgot to add to my reply. "The victims of the WTC destruction
were not given the choice of giving their lives for the country. Is
your life more valuable than theirs? Are you declaring their deaths a
sacrifice to defend your right to life?"

--
Iridios
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Thoughts of a Soldier
Date: Wed Sep 12 21:00:01 2001
>You can forward my reply back up the chain, hopefully back to whoever
>wrote this.
>America's military is an all volunteer force. Each and every one of you
>have sworn to defend America from all threats both foreign and
>domestic. Unfortunately this defense sometimes requires American
>military personnel to put themselves in harms way and a sure death. If
>you feel that your life is too valuable to give for that purpose, go to
>the American Cemetaries all over the world to the fallen soldiers of
>WWII, especially the cemetaries for those who died during the D-Day
>invasion.
>If you feel your life is too valuable, disobey your commanders and spend
>your life in the stockades. You won't face death (unless you do this on
>the battlefield) but I can promise that you will face a life of shame as
>the other prisoners will not care for a coward (the only worse type of
>prisoner in a military prison is a child molester).
>If you felt your life is too valuable, why did you volunteer for the
>military in the first place? No one forced you, no one asked you. The
>opportunity was just laid out before you. You made the decision, you
>recited the oath, you should be proud to serve your country to the best
>of your ability, even if that means the loss of life.
>Signed,
>Former U.S. Air Force enlisted.
>Son of U.S. Marine enlisted, Vietnam Veteran.
>Nephew of U.S.A.F enlisted, Korean Veteran.
>Nephew of U.S. Army enlisted, WWII Veteran.
>P.S. I was still in the Air Force during the Gulf War and tried to
>volunteer for deployment to the Gulf but was disallowed.
>--
>Iridios

no I wasn't the one that wrote it however I do have to agree in one small
aspect....the people that are so quick to grieve the loss of the ones that
died are more than ready to volunteer those of us that are in the military
without a single thought as to how our families can potentially lose their
loved ones as well ya know? I'm proud of my country and proud to be a
soldier however I don't think that we should be tossed in to try to hunt
someone out and risk getting massacred. I'd rather we'd wait and gather
some intel and send in the special ops teams and see if they're successful
first and then go for a full frontal "frag their world" if you catch my
drift...minimize the potential losses so to speak, and yes I am in a
position to offer the special ops teams as I've lost 3 family members to
those groups and they were all extremely proud to be in the position to go
fight and die and are a hundred times more prepared for such situations than
are the average troops in the army.

Derek
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dave Post)
Subject: Thoughts of a Soldier
Date: Wed Sep 12 21:10:01 2001
Derek

I hope you can send some words to that pitiful excuse for a military member
who wrote that load of crap.

As Iridios said, the current US military is an ALL-VOLUNTEER force. That
means that he volunteered of his own free will, to lay his life on the line
for the defense of his country.

Maybe he forgot the words of his oath of enlistment. I'll ask you to tell
him to read them again. Here's a reminder.

...that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of
America against all enemies, foreign or domestic...

There is more, obviously, but when he swore that oath, didn't he tink there
might come a time when he would have to follow it. Maybe he just likes
recieving the benefits without having to pay the dues.

If he were a Marine, first I would find out who he is, then, take him out
back, and beat the living shit out of him. I suggest you do some serious
talking with him, and after that to his platoon Sergeat, or next NCO in his
chain of command.


Staff Sergeant David Post, USMC active duty
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Granite Forge)
Subject: Thoughts of a Soldier
Date: Wed Sep 12 21:40:00 2001
The rumble and drone of a thousand bagpipes can be heard in the distance.
Smoke covers the battlefield. The ground trembles and cracks, splitting wide
open and belching forth fire and brimstone. Up from the "Pit of Lurking"
strides a form.......Granite steps into view.

I could not stand silent any longer when I received this message....
Please, do me the favor of forwarding my reply to the author of that
message..And feel free to include my email addy..I would love to hear this
persons defense of their words..

>"This message is to all who feel that we should just go out and 'wipe the
>enemies out'........<300 MP Cowardly BS deleted in the interest of
>bandwidth conservation>

When I read those words the anger I felt yesterday rekindled anew. The
person that wrote those cowardly words is a disgrace to the uniform and
obviously has forgotten the sacred oath they swore when they put that
uniform on. This person so very obviously lacks the self same intestinal
fortitude that this person says is lacking on those who would send out this
great country's forces to smite those who would wage war on our civilian
populous. I would be more that willing to rejoin our forces.

I was in the USAF for 10 years then 5 years in Law Enforcement as well as
being a member of a Wild Fire Team. I have received honors on all of those
capacities. I have spent the majority of my adult life ready and willing to
lay down my life if necessary to make certain that my country and my
community can sleep well at night knowing that I was there. Ready, Willing
and Able to defend them.

If you are not Ready, Willing, and Able to defend this nation and its
populous. Take off that uniform and got tell your commander you can't do it.

I also was a member of the military during wartime, I volunteered three
times to go to the desert. During the Desert War I stood a post with my
weapon, knee deep in snow. Ready to defend my site in Berlin with my life
against whoever might threaten us. And all Intel reports put us at the top
of the list for terrorist action. As a Law Enforcement Officer I volunteered
to go to Bosnia.

You knew what you were signing up for when you took the oath. If you weren't
willing to hold up your end of the bargain you should have joined the Peace
Corps.

[My statements in no way shape of form ar meant to denigrate the Peace Corps
or any of their good works]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++GRANITE
Persecutus Invado Vestrum Hostis!!
Lord grant Me The Serenity To
Accept The Things i Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill Because They
Pissed Me Off.
- Shadowrunner's Serenity Prayer
I Am The LAW!
- Dredd
What is Greatest In Life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To Drive Then Before You,
And To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women.
- Conan
"You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience which you
must stop and look fear in the
face . . . .You must do the thing you think you cannot do."
- Eleanor Roosevelt




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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Thoughts of a Soldier
Date: Wed Sep 12 21:55:00 2001
>If he were a Marine, first I would find out who he is, then, take him out
>back, and beat the living shit out of him. I suggest you do some serious
>talking with him, and after that to his platoon Sergeat, or next NCO in his
>chain of command.
>Staff Sergeant David Post, USMC active duty
Actually I was smart enough to send it to all of the people on the post via
their military addresses and kind enough to attach his name, rank, and unit
to the message. I'd found it cause he'd sent it to my fiancee and she sent
it to me to find out what the hell was up with it. We're in the process of
hunting him as soon as we get off guard duty tonight....I'm on my way to
weapons draw so I'll forward all of you gentleman's thoughts to him as I
kick his ass tonight cause my fiancee was in absolute tears and shit cause
she took it as a statement that we were deploying immediatly....

Later gentleman....off to keep the post safe for another night.
Derek M. Hyde
PFC, US Army
Fort Riley, Kansas
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Iridios)
Subject: Thoughts of a Soldier
Date: Wed Sep 12 22:10:05 2001
Derek Hyde wrote:

> Actually I was smart enough to send it to all of the people on the post via
> their military addresses and kind enough to attach his name, rank, and unit
> to the message. I'd found it cause he'd sent it to my fiancee and she sent
> it to me to find out what the hell was up with it. We're in the process of
> hunting him as soon as we get off guard duty tonight....I'm on my way to
> weapons draw so I'll forward all of you gentleman's thoughts to him as I
> kick his ass tonight cause my fiancee was in absolute tears and shit cause
> she took it as a statement that we were deploying immediatly....

Let us know what happens. Maybe print out our replies and force him to
read them first.

--
Iridios

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