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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bryan Pow)
Subject: Thunderbolt (was: 'Nother gun question)
Date: Tue Mar 27 22:55:01 2001
The thunderbolt is a burst fire cop gun. The picture of a cop in New
Seattle has him carrying a predator. Why do I bring this up?

Watch Robocop
His gun is exactly the same as the predator except that it fires
burst fire, like the thunderbolt. i.e. FASA got the idea for two of
its guns from Robocop.
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Thunderbolt (was: 'Nother gun question)
Date: Wed Mar 28 05:10:06 2001
According to Bryan Pow, on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 the word on the street was...

> The thunderbolt is a burst fire cop gun. The picture of a cop in New
> Seattle has him carrying a predator. Why do I bring this up?
>
> Watch Robocop
> His gun is exactly the same as the predator except that it fires
> burst fire, like the thunderbolt. i.e. FASA got the idea for two of
> its guns from Robocop.

There are plenty more "stolen" weapon ideas in SR. For example, the Walter
Palm Pistol illustration in SRII bears a striking resemblance to Deckard's
pistol in Blade Runner (going by Japanese adverts for a 1:1 scale model of
said weapon, anyway -- it's been a while since I watched that movie), while
a lot of the other weapons in books like the SSC have been derived from
1960s/'70s experimental weapons. The CMDT, for example, looks just like the
carbine version of the Stoner 63, the Beretta 70 is a Bushmaster 5.56 mm
SMG with a thinner magazine and some other stuff, while the Colt M22a2
resembles an HK36 with some crap stuck on.

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Thunderbolt (was: 'Nother gun question)
Date: Wed Mar 28 06:50:05 2001
--- Bryan Pow <powbr323@*******.otago.ac.nz> wrote: >
The thunderbolt is a burst fire cop gun. The picture
of a cop in New Seattle has him carrying a predator.
Why do I bring this up?
>
> Watch Robocop
> His gun is exactly the same as the predator except
that it fires burst fire, like the thunderbolt. i.e.
FASA got the idea for two of its guns from Robocop.

Actually, Bryan, I saw a picture of a Beretta modded
up to look like a Predator. Or something. :) There
wasn't any text with the image, so I'm not sure WHAT
was going on there. Might even still have the pic at work...

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Thunderbolt (was: 'Nother gun question)
Date: Wed Mar 28 12:25:01 2001
According to Rand Ratinac, on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 the word on the street was...

> Actually, Bryan, I saw a picture of a Beretta modded
> up to look like a Predator. Or something. :) There
> wasn't any text with the image, so I'm not sure WHAT
> was going on there. Might even still have the pic at work...

That's because the pistol in Robocop is a Beretta 93 with some stuff added
to make it look bigger and more impressive. FASA's artist(s) then copied the
look of the front part of the weapon for the Ares Predator in the SRII main
rules (there was no picture of the weapon before that time, only of the
Predator II).

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Brother Justice)
Subject: Thunderbolt (was: 'Nother gun question)
Date: Wed Mar 28 13:10:01 2001
>From: Gurth <Gurth@******.nl>
>Reply-To: shadowrn@*********.com
>To: shadowrn@*********.com
>Subject: Re: Thunderbolt (was: 'Nother gun question)
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:11:17 +0200
>
>According to Rand Ratinac, on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 the word on the street
>was...
>
> > Actually, Bryan, I saw a picture of a Beretta modded
> > up to look like a Predator. Or something. :) There
> > wasn't any text with the image, so I'm not sure WHAT
> > was going on there. Might even still have the pic at work...
>
>That's because the pistol in Robocop is a Beretta 93 with some stuff added
>to make it look bigger and more impressive. FASA's artist(s) then copied
>the
>look of the front part of the weapon for the Ares Predator in the SRII main
>rules (there was no picture of the weapon before that time, only of the
>Predator II).
>
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> If there are vegetarian hamburgers, why isn't there beef lettuce?
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Actually, I really seem to recall a picture of the Predator in the SRI main
book. Maybe I'm wrong, but I swore it was there. I'll look when I get home.

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Nexx)
Subject: Thunderbolt (was: 'Nother gun question)
Date: Wed Mar 28 13:45:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brother Justice"

> Actually, I really seem to recall a picture of the Predator in the SRI
main
> book. Maybe I'm wrong, but I swore it was there. I'll look when I get
home.

Not on the picture page, BJ... Colt American, and two Berretas... 110-T
and 101-T
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Thunderbolt (was: 'Nother gun question)
Date: Wed Mar 28 23:15:01 2001
> > Actually, Bryan, I saw a picture of a Beretta
modded up to look like a Predator. Or something. :)
There wasn't any text with the image, so I'm not sure
WHAT was going on there. Might even still have the pic
at work...
>
> That's because the pistol in Robocop is a Beretta 93
with some stuff added to make it look bigger and more
impressive. FASA's artist(s) then copied the look of
the front part of the weapon for the Ares Predator in
the SRII main rules (there was no picture of the
weapon before that time, only of the Predator II).
> Gurth@******.nl -

Ahhh, well THAT explains things...

Yes, looking at the pic the back half is rather different.

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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Thunderbolt (was: 'Nother gun question)
Date: Thu Mar 29 04:20:01 2001
According to Brother Justice, on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 the word on the street
was...

> Actually, I really seem to recall a picture of the Predator in the SRI main
> book. Maybe I'm wrong, but I swore it was there. I'll look when I get home.

Save yourself the trouble, it isn't there :) As far as pistols go, the only
page with weapon illustrations in SR1 has the Streetline Special, Colt
American L36 (which is actually copied from a BattleTech illustration, look
in Tech Readout 3026, p. 113), Beretta 101-T and Beretta 110-T (which was
never given stats).

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