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Message no. 1
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 12:20:15 +0200
So, who's going to be the first to give us a useful SR .wdgt? :)

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Message no. 2
From: scott@**********.com (Scott Harrison)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:35:36 +0200
On May 3, 2005, at 12:20, Gurth wrote:

> So, who's going to be the first to give us a useful SR .wdgt? :)
>
What do you want it to do? That is the hardest thing. If you want it
to roll 9 dice with TN 8 and show you the results, it may be simple.
However it would be best to determine what you want it to do, what is
the scope, etc.

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Message no. 3
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:47:41 +0200
According to Scott Harrison, on 03-05-2005 13:35 the word on the street
was...

> What do you want it to do? That is the hardest thing. If you want
> it to roll 9 dice with TN 8 and show you the results, it may be simple.
> However it would be best to determine what you want it to do, what is
> the scope, etc.

I'm not looking for anything in particular, just wondering if anyone is
(thinking of) working on something that may be of use for SR :)

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Message no. 4
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:04:50 -0700
On Tue, 3 May 2005 13:35:36 +0200
Scott Harrison <scott@**********.com> wrote:
>
> On May 3, 2005, at 12:20, Gurth wrote:
>
> > So, who's going to be the first to give us a useful SR .wdgt? :)
> >
> What do you want it to do? That is the hardest thing. If you want it to
> roll 9 dice with TN 8 and show you the results, it may be simple. However
> it would be best to determine what you want it to do, what is the scope,
> etc.
>
What is a Tiger Wdgt? If it's for MAC, and not portable, it may be of liitied
utility/ interest
--Anders
Message no. 5
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 19:21:34 +0200
According to Anders Swenson, on 03-05-2005 19:04 the word on the street
was...

> What is a Tiger Wdgt?

A widget -- a simple little program for Dashboard
(http://www.apple.com/dashboard, which I'd almost use even if it offered
nothing else than the way cool ripple effect :)

> If it's for MAC

Yes.

> and not portable

They are written in HTML and Javascript, so it shouldn't be too hard to
re-write them so that they run in any Javascript-capable web browser.
(The few I just tried didn't work like that right away, though, and
would probably require some tinkering.)

> it may be of liitied utility/ interest

True, but OTOH, if you don't ask, you may not get :)

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Message no. 6
From: dhyde79@*********.net (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:01:38 -0500
>> What do you want it to do? That is the hardest thing. If you want it to
>> roll 9 dice with TN 8 and show you the results, it may be simple. However
>> it would be best to determine what you want it to do, what is the scope,
>> etc.

How about an SR4 style dice roller, you input the number of dice, hit the
button, it rolls vs TN5 or whatever it'll be, and gives you number of
successes?


> What is a Tiger Wdgt? If it's for MAC, and not portable, it may be of liitied
> utility/ interest

As is the case with any software, however, until the bugs are worked out of
tiger, (Mac OS 10.4) it's going to be very limited because most people won't
go to tiger until they at least fix the incompatibility with Adobe Creative
Suite...
Message no. 7
From: scott@**********.com (Scott Harrison)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:52:43 +0200
On May 3, 2005, at 21:01, Derek Hyde wrote:

>>> What do you want it to do? That is the hardest thing. If you want
>>> it to
>>> roll 9 dice with TN 8 and show you the results, it may be simple.
>>> However
>>> it would be best to determine what you want it to do, what is the
>>> scope,
>>> etc.
>
> How about an SR4 style dice roller, you input the number of dice, hit
> the
> button, it rolls vs TN5 or whatever it'll be, and gives you number of
> successes?
>

I would gladly provide an SR4-style dice roller, but we do not yet
know how rolling dice in SR4 works. I understand that the TN of 5 does
not change, but what about a rule of 6 or rule of 1, etc.

>
>> What is a Tiger Wdgt? If it's for MAC, and not portable, it may be of
>> liitied
>> utility/ interest
>
> As is the case with any software, however, until the bugs are worked
> out of
> tiger, (Mac OS 10.4) it's going to be very limited because most people
> won't
> go to tiger until they at least fix the incompatibility with Adobe
> Creative
> Suite...

Of course there are many people that do not care about that and have
already taken the plunge. :-)

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Message no. 8
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:06:38 +0200
According to Scott Harrison, on 03-05-2005 21:52 the word on the street
was...

> I would gladly provide an SR4-style dice roller, but we do not yet
> know how rolling dice in SR4 works. I understand that the TN of 5 does
> not change, but what about a rule of 6 or rule of 1, etc.

That could be a bit of a problem, yes... Although it's not too hard to
write an app to do this kind of dice rolling and change it as needed.

> Of course there are many people that do not care about that and have
> already taken the plunge. :-)

/me raises hand :)

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Message no. 9
From: scott@**********.com (Scott Harrison)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:11:39 +0200
On May 3, 2005, at 22:06, Gurth wrote:

> According to Scott Harrison, on 03-05-2005 21:52 the word on the
> street was...
>
>> I would gladly provide an SR4-style dice roller, but we do not
>> yet know how rolling dice in SR4 works. I understand that the TN of
>> 5 does not change, but what about a rule of 6 or rule of 1, etc.
>
> That could be a bit of a problem, yes... Although it's not too hard to
> write an app to do this kind of dice rolling and change it as needed.
>

Of course if I wanted to localize said app into Dutch, etc. it may be
a problem because changing things tends to cause lots more effort to be
put into the app. Better wait until I know how to do SR4 dice. The
question is whether I mod SRDiceRoller to handle SR4 as an option or
write a new app.

>> Of course there are many people that do not care about that and
>> have already taken the plunge. :-)
>
> /me raises hand :)

:-)

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Message no. 10
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:20:07 +0200
According to Scott Harrison, on 03-05-2005 22:11 the word on the street
was...

> Of course if I wanted to localize said app into Dutch, etc. it may
> be a problem because changing things tends to cause lots more effort to
> be put into the app.

I was looking into programming these widgets earlier today, and it's
nowhere near as involved as using Xcode/Interface Builder to build a
true app -- it appears to be almost all HTML and Javascript plus a few
.plist files. Like I said to Anders, this should make it a reasonable
proposition to do a non-Dashboard version that may appeal to the rest of
the list as well :)

> Better wait until I know how to do SR4 dice. The
> question is whether I mod SRDiceRoller to handle SR4 as an option or
> write a new app.

It shouldn't be too hard to convert it over, I think.

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Message no. 11
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:26:06 +0100
On May 3, 2005, at 21:06, Gurth wrote:

>> Of course there are many people that do not care about that
>> and have already taken the plunge. :-)
>>
>
> /me raises hand :)

<AOL>Me too...</AOL>

See, the good thing when you utterly suck at art is that you
don't have to care about things such as Adobe CS.
(now, the fact that VLC crashes when you go from full-screen to
windowed mode is a bit more problematic)

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Message no. 12
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:37:00 -0600
On 3-May-05, at 11:04 AM, Anders Swenson wrote:

> What is a Tiger Wdgt? If it's for MAC, and not portable, it may be of
> liitied
> utility/ interest

Argh! "Mac" is not an acronym -- it's the short version of "Macintosh"

-- and is thus not to be rendered in all caps!

Derek: Incompatibilities with CS2? Do you have some reference links
that discuss the problem?

Adam
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Message no. 13
From: dhyde79@*********.net (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:58:31 -0500
> I would gladly provide an SR4-style dice roller, but we do not yet
> know how rolling dice in SR4 works. I understand that the TN of 5 does
> not change, but what about a rule of 6 or rule of 1, etc.
>

Very true, very true

>
> Of course there are many people that do not care about that and have
> already taken the plunge. :-)
>

My hold up is that if adobe CS stops working, what else won't work, ya know?
Message no. 14
From: dhyde79@*********.net (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 17:03:58 -0500
> Derek: Incompatibilities with CS2? Do you have some reference links
> that discuss the problem?


Not CS2, but CS, I've got a few friends in europe that're graphic designers
that upgraded only to find that in adobe CS and a couple other graphic apps
(I don't recall which ones) that the app would open but when you tried to
open a file or create a new one the app would crash, supposedly it was
something that adobe was supposed to have had a fix for as an update, and
apple fixed in 10.4.1, but, I'm a little leary of having an OS that right
off the bat (less than a week after it's release) had to have a patch
released as one of the main uses of macs (being graphic work) was useless
because they made the OS incompatible with the software...

I'll wait till 10.4.2 or .3 comes out, then I'll upgrade, as it is, I've got
10.3.9
Message no. 15
From: zebulingod@*******.net (Zebulin)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:32:56 -0700
Scott Harrison wrote:
>
> On May 3, 2005, at 21:01, Derek Hyde wrote:
>
> > As is the case with any software, however, until the bugs
> are worked
> > out of
> > tiger, (Mac OS 10.4) it's going to be very limited because
> most people
> > won't
> > go to tiger until they at least fix the incompatibility with Adobe
> > Creative
> > Suite...
>
> Of course there are many people that do not care about
> that and have
> already taken the plunge. :-)
>

Don't I know it! For crying out loud, people, Tiger came out on Friday, our
software isn't compatible yet!

Aargh!

Zebulin

>From The Top 100 Things I'd Do
If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord

15. I will never employ any device with a digital countdown. If I find that
such a device is absolutely unavoidable, I will set it to activate when the
counter reaches 117 and the hero is just putting his plan into operation.
Message no. 16
From: Steve.Garrard@********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:50:24 +0200
Adam Jury wrote:
> Argh! "Mac" is not an acronym -- it's the short version of
> "Macintosh"
> -- and is thus not to be rendered in all caps!

Aha! I've found a new way to annoy MAC ;) lovers :p


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Message no. 17
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 01:03:35 -0600
On 4-May-05, at 12:50 AM, Steve Garrard wrote:

> Aha! I've found a new way to annoy MAC ;) lovers :p

Hey, who has the password to unsubscribe people from the list?

Oh right, that would be me.

Don't piss with me or my G5. ;-)

love,
Adam
Message no. 18
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 11:20:08 +0200
According to Derek Hyde, on 03-05-2005 23:58 the word on the street was...

> My hold up is that if adobe CS stops working, what else won't work, ya know?

Emacs (the http://www.webweavertech.com/ovidiu/emacs.html version
anyway) and Desktop Manager (but I just discovered that there's a new
version, 0.5.3, that does work).

SRDiceRoller still works, though :)

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Message no. 19
From: scott@**********.com (Scott Harrison)
Subject: Tiger widgets?
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:07:30 +0200
On May 4, 2005, at 11:20, Gurth wrote:

> According to Derek Hyde, on 03-05-2005 23:58 the word on the street
> was...
>
>> My hold up is that if adobe CS stops working, what else won't work,
>> ya know?
>
> Emacs (the http://www.webweavertech.com/ovidiu/emacs.html version
> anyway) and Desktop Manager (but I just discovered that there's a new
> version, 0.5.3, that does work).
>
> SRDiceRoller still works, though :)
>
It had better! :-) If it doesn't, or if people have suggestions, or
if people want to help localize into other languages, please let me
know. I am working on other tools as well. Probably will require
Panther or Tiger. Sometime in the future all the tools will require
Tiger (because I hope to convert things to CoreData use), but not quite
yet.

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