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Message no. 1
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:43:25 GMT
Stephen Delear writes

>
> Um I belive Super Tuesday is all ready out and dose NOT have the name of
> the winner in it according to the FASA WWW sight the next to gamebooks to
> come out will be a organized crime sourcebook and a book on the secrets
> of Dunzaklan (SP?).
>
Super Tuesday contains a lot of campain data, but the best info on
who will win is the opinion poll data that also shows up elsewhere.

FASA say the result will be based on votes from reply cards in 3
products.
Super Tuesday - out
Threats - out about 3 weeks back
Organised crime - due this month, as nothing is planned for July i
suspect right at the end or early next, unless someone has some up to
date FASA info.
This is a set of (i assume 5 ) adventures about the election theme
involving organised crime.

'A Dragons Porfolio - Dunklezahns secrets' in due August and
according to the FASA web site will be huge book, i assume that means
Atzlan sourcebook sized! or so. I haven't a clue if the results will
be in that but its the first chance as the election was due in about
7 months so i think could be about Aug - sept rather than the Nov
someone said was normal.

While on releases what has happened to the two 'ED' novels that go
before Worlds Without End, are they out???

Mark
Message no. 2
From: Jak Koke <jkoke@****.edu>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:19:06 -0700
Super Tuesday is out. Underworld Adventures, I believe, has some more
election stuff.

FASA is taking mail in votes until August 1st. I think there will be a
voting booth or some sort of voting at GENCON, and the winner will be
revealed at GENCON.

Vote Early. Vote often.

--Jak
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Message no. 3
From: kumquat@*****.com
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 02:16:48 -0500
SH>Stephen Delear writes

SH>>
SH>> Um I belive Super Tuesday is all ready out and dose NOT have the name of
SH>> the winner in it according to the FASA WWW sight the next to gamebooks to
SH>> come out will be a organized crime sourcebook and a book on the secrets
SH>> of Dunzaklan (SP?).
SH>>
SH>Super Tuesday contains a lot of campain data, but the best info on
SH>who will win is the opinion poll data that also shows up elsewhere.

Ack! That's what I get for working too many weekends and not visiting my
gaming stores often enough!!! <smirk> I knew that losing access to
the list would make me miss something... Btw, the opinion poll
mentioned is in Threats... Dunkelzahn is ahead, yay!

SH>FASA say the result will be based on votes from reply cards in 3
SH>products.
SH>Super Tuesday - out
SH>Threats - out about 3 weeks back
SH>Organised crime - due this month, as nothing is planned for July i
SH>suspect right at the end or early next, unless someone has some up to
SH>date FASA info.
SH>This is a set of (i assume 5 ) adventures about the election theme
SH>involving organised crime.

The organized crime SB is something that, as a few listmembers know,
I've had a special interest in keeping on top of... It was originally a
section of Lone Star, but it was growing too huge to keep in the
original SB..... The late Nigel Findley was working on expanding it, but
the project has been slow in completing, and its been in the works for
around 2 years now, as far as I can tell....

Geez.... Just Bought threats and CFS..... another fraggin sourcebook....

Just My Two Pence.
The Kumquat.

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Message no. 4
From: Tim Serpas <wretch@**.com>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 03:19:57 -0500 (CDT)
>
> Vote Early. Vote often.
>

We've started using this as a tag-line whenever we leave a scene
or have finished talking to a contact or such. But we're in Quebec
right now, so no need letting on that we spend most of our time in UCAS


Tim Serpas Crime Test: 3. Drugs cause crime.
wretch@**.com
Message no. 5
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 01:40:30 -0500 (CDT)
I hate to tell you all (hey I'm a Texan the rest of the world has bad
grammer) this but if you look in the back of the last issue of dragon
magazine it says something to the effect of "do to the long lead time for
gaming products the winner of the 2057 ellection has all ready been
choosen but FASA isn't telling". I wonder if we can find a leak at FASA...

Stephen
Message no. 6
From: Rick Jones <rick@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:56:03 -0500 (CDT)
Stephen Delear wrote:
> magazine it says something to the effect of "do to the long lead time for
> gaming products the winner of the 2057 ellection has all ready been
> choosen but FASA isn't telling". I wonder if we can find a leak at FASA...

Of course. Does anyone think that Dunklezhan will lose? I'd assume that
all the folks sending in voter cards will pick him. I voted for The Big
D with the Super Tuesday Ballot, and I gave one of my players the card
from Threats, which he used to vote for Dunklezhan.

"Vote Dunklezhan... Do you want to tell him no?"

--
Rick Jones I needed to stay on this thing. I couldn't afford to
rick@******.com get fired and shut off from the Sox. Also I needed the
Meyrick@***.com money.My charger needed feed and my armor needed polish.
http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/ --Spenser, Mortal Stakes
Message no. 7
From: Droopy <droopy@**.net>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:19:12 -0400
At 01:40 AM 6/21/96 -0500, Stephen wrote:
>
>I hate to tell you all (hey I'm a Texan the rest of the world has bad
>grammer) this but if you look in the back of the last issue of dragon
>magazine it says something to the effect of "do to the long lead time for
>gaming products the winner of the 2057 ellection has all ready been
>choosen but FASA isn't telling". I wonder if we can find a leak at FASA...

I'm sure that FASA has known who the winner will be for a long time since
they work from a timeline drawn out long in advance. As for finding a leak,
I'd say that is a lost cause. No one I know at FASA is telling, but I gave
up on that stuff a long time ago.


--Droopy
Message no. 8
From: "Spike" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:25:21 +0100 (BST)
|I'm sure that FASA has known who the winner will be for a long time since
|they work from a timeline drawn out long in advance. As for finding a leak,
|I'd say that is a lost cause. No one I know at FASA is telling, but I gave
|up on that stuff a long time ago.

It's quite possible to leave blanks in a timeline and allow the vote to work
y'know. After all, what's the point of printing voting cards if they don't
pay any attention to the results?

--
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|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk | |
|Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
|Principal subjects in:-| "THAT WOULD BE AN ECCLESIASTICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!!|
|Comp Sci & something | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"
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Message no. 9
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:40:26 -0400 (EDT)
At 20:25 6/21/96 +0100, you wrote:
>|I'm sure that FASA has known who the winner will be for a long time since
>|they work from a timeline drawn out long in advance. As for finding a leak,
>|I'd say that is a lost cause. No one I know at FASA is telling, but I gave
>|up on that stuff a long time ago.
>
>It's quite possible to leave blanks in a timeline and allow the vote to work
>y'know. After all, what's the point of printing voting cards if they don't
>pay any attention to the results?
>
>--
>Andrew Halliwell

Marketing Ploy?

Sasquatch

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Message no. 10
From: Joe Atkins <joe@****.internetwis.com>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:24:55 -0500
Rick Jones wrote:
>
> Stephen Delear wrote:
> > magazine it says something to the effect of "do to the long lead time for
> > gaming products the winner of the 2057 ellection has all ready been
> > choosen but FASA isn't telling". I wonder if we can find a leak at FASA...
>
> Of course. Does anyone think that Dunklezhan will lose? I'd assume that
> all the folks sending in voter cards will pick him. I voted for The Big
> D with the Super Tuesday Ballot, and I gave one of my players the card
> from Threats, which he used to vote for Dunklezhan.
>
> "Vote Dunklezhan... Do you want to tell him no?"
> I agree with you. I think that this all leads into the Dunklezhan sourcebook
coming out in August. Is it just A coincidence that the ballots have to be
in by when the book comes out. I think not. I beleive the book will have
stuff about him being president within it and they wanted to wait till after
the vote was in to release that. They wouldn't want to release it before the
ballots come in because they would have yet another screwed up election.

That wasn't very well written but I think you get the point I was making.
Message no. 11
From: John Coughlin <john.coughlin@***.edu>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:47:28 -0700 (MST)
Gosh, I must be getting cynical since my first reaction was that is
probably what goes on anyway in real life and FASA is just playing real
life again. Anyways.....does anybody know how I can get on this ShadowGM
thing I have heard about. I had the email address but lost it. Could
somebody email me with the address and tell me how to get onto it if you
have the time? Thanks much!

On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Spike wrote:
> After all, what's the point of printing voting cards if they don't
> pay any attention to the results?
>
> --
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> |u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk | |
> |Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
> |Principal subjects in:-| "THAT WOULD BE AN ECCLESIASTICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!!|
> |Comp Sci & something | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"
|
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> |X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now!
>*SULK*<|
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Message no. 12
From: "Jeff Marshall" <nitro@*****.net>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:06:47 +0000
> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:47:28 -0700 (MST)
> From: John Coughlin <john.coughlin@***.edu>
> Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
> To: shadowrn@********.itribe.net
> Reply-to: shadowrn@********.itribe.net

> probably what goes on anyway in real life and FASA is just playing real
> life again. Anyways.....does anybody know how I can get on this ShadowGM
> thing I have heard about. I had the email address but lost it. Could
> somebody email me with the address and tell me how to get onto it if you
> have the time? Thanks much!
>
> On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Spike wrote:
> > After all, what's the point of printing voting cards if they don't
> > pay any attention to the results?
> >
> > --
> > ______________________________________________________________________________
> > |u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk | |
> > |Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!"
|
> > |Principal subjects in:-| "THAT WOULD BE AN ECCLESIASTICAL
MATTER!...FECK!!!!|
> > |Comp Sci & something | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"
|
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > |GCv3.1 GCS/FA>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++
|
> > |X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now!
>*SULK*<|
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
hey send that shadowGM my way as well thanks :)
Message no. 13
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 18:03:35 +0200
On 22.06.96, Jeff Marshall wrote about "Re: Timeline/2056":
[7 lines snipped]
> > life again. Anyways.....does anybody know how I can get on this ShadowGM
> > thing I have heard about. I had the email address but lost it. Could
> > somebody email me with the address and tell me how to get onto it if you
> > have the time? Thanks much!
[17 lines snipped]
> hey send that shadowGM my way as well thanks :)
Not until you learn how to remove unneccessary text from responses...
sorry, but I get really annoyed by this!

Ooops... just seen it has already been answered... oh well.
Sascha

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Message no. 14
From: Droopy <droopy@**.net>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 20:55:28 -0400
At 08:25 PM 6/21/96 +0100, Spike wrote:
>
>It's quite possible to leave blanks in a timeline and allow the vote to work
>y'know. After all, what's the point of printing voting cards if they don't
>pay any attention to the results?
>
You put your address on it didn't you? :) I'm not saying that it isn't
possible, but whether or not the dragon becomes UCAS president is just a bit
larger than a few blanks. You are talking about the direction of a large
portion of the world. If the vote really mattered, they wouldn't be able to
react to it for at least a year in a product, since that's how long a
finished product has before it prints, more or less.

Just my loose change....

--Droopy
Message no. 15
From: "Robert J. Waters" <rjwate01@*****.louisville.edu>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:28:25 -0500 (EDT)
> At 08:25 PM 6/21/96 +0100, Spike wrote:
> You put your address on it didn't you? :) I'm not saying that it isn't
> possible, but whether or not the dragon becomes UCAS president is just a bit
> larger than a few blanks. You are talking about the direction of a large
> portion of the world. If the vote really mattered, they wouldn't be able to
> react to it for at least a year in a product, since that's how long a
> finished product has before it prints, more or less.
>
> Just my loose change....

unless of course when developing the product they went on both tangents and
will eventually produce the winning package. I personnally dont think FASA
would lie like a certain money grubbing role playing company, but that is just
my opinion.

Luc AKA BobW
Message no. 16
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:27:28 +0100
Droopy said on 20:55/23 Jun 96...

> >It's quite possible to leave blanks in a timeline and allow the vote to work
> >y'know. After all, what's the point of printing voting cards if they don't
> >pay any attention to the results?
> >
> You put your address on it didn't you? :) I'm not saying that it isn't
> possible, but whether or not the dragon becomes UCAS president is just a bit
> larger than a few blanks. You are talking about the direction of a large
> portion of the world. If the vote really mattered, they wouldn't be able to
> react to it for at least a year in a product, since that's how long a
> finished product has before it prints, more or less.

The way I see it, things can go two ways: Dunkelzahn gets elected, or he
doesn't. In the first case, things would drastically alter in the SR
universe, but it would not immediately noticable to every Joe on the
street (apart from the redesign of the White House' doors, that is :)
because Dunkelzahn is too smart to change the country's heading by 180
degrees overnight.
If the Big D doesn't get elected, one of the (meta)humans will, and
things will probably go pretty much the same whoever gets elected. (They
do today, so why not in 60 years' time?)

So if FASA has two possible timelines ready, they can let the
book-buyers' votes count. It might be a waste of time (somebody would have
to write the two separate timelines, after which only one would get
picked), but the major changes would IMHO be a few years down the line,
which doesn't really matter now because the source material hasn't been
written yet.

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Message no. 17
From: Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.net>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:35:24 -0500
At 11:28 PM 6/23/96 -0500, you wrote:
>unless of course when developing the product they went on both tangents and
>will eventually produce the winning package. I personnally dont think FASA
>would lie like a certain money grubbing role playing company, but that is just
>my opinion.

Perhaps FASA is banking on the idea that the majority of gamers are going to
say, "Oo cool! A dragon for President! That's so cool," and just check
Dunkie's box. Personally, I'm hoping for Brackhaven to win. "Okay all you
muties, get outta the UCAS! You thought Executive Order 17-321 was bad,
check out what I just signed! Haw haw haw!"

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Hola! I am professional cartoonist! Want me to draw comics for you?"
-Sergio Aragones, _Sergio Aragones Destroys DC_
Message no. 18
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: Timeline/2056
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:54:00 -0500 (CDT)
On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Droopy wrote:

> At 01:40 AM 6/21/96 -0500, Stephen wrote:
> >
> >I hate to tell you all (hey I'm a Texan the rest of the world has bad
> >grammer) this but if you look in the back of the last issue of dragon
> >magazine it says something to the effect of "do to the long lead time for
> >gaming products the winner of the 2057 ellection has all ready been
> >choosen but FASA isn't telling". I wonder if we can find a leak at FASA...
>
> I'm sure that FASA has known who the winner will be for a long time since
> they work from a timeline drawn out long in advance. As for finding a leak,
> I'd say that is a lost cause. No one I know at FASA is telling, but I gave
> up on that stuff a long time ago.
>
Depends dose any one know what printer they're using and if the book has
gone to the printer yet? No I'm not going to try it, but keep in mind
there is more then one place to find a leak (one of the reason everyone
shot JR).

Stephen

>
> --Droopy
>
>

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