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Message no. 1
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Tinner's Paranoid Horror Conspiracy Theory - 9/28/97
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:39:39 -0400
Bull, you know the deal.
Don't look in here or that slight greying hair problem will become
permanant! ;-)
























OK, so since Bull is slowly turning into a Wendigo in our campaign, I've
been doing some thinking about vampirism.
The condition itself is "supposedly" caused by a virus.
OK, I'll buy that. I'm sure that in 2058 there could be a virus that grants
all these powers and causes a desire/need to consume human blood, that's
fine.

The part that's bugging me is what causes the need to consume Essence?
I just couldn't justify a virus that devours essence, especially
considering
that most of the vampiric critters drain essence permanantly.

A solution to this problem escaped me until I happened to re-open my copy
of
Rifts: Vampire Kingdoms.
Holy cow! A Vampiric Intelligence!

For those of you that don't know Palladium, a VI is essentially a large
(moon sized in some cases) extradimensional entity. It's power is what
allows vampires to live on after death, and also grants their abilities and
forces the to feed off the living.
Why? Because all that life energy is siphoned from the small vampires
directly to the VI!

So I looked at the descriptions, and I looked at the stats, and I realized
that a VI would make a GREAT minor astral Horror.

I have yet to work up stats for the monster, but I'm thinking Johnny and
Bull may have to bargain with a free spirit to open an astral gateway,
allowing them through to the horror's domain, where they can fight
it/bargain with it, etc.

Any suggestions for ways to abuse Bull with this plan?

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"A penny for your thoughts, a nickel for your kiss, a dime if you tell me
that you love me."
Message no. 2
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tinner's Paranoid Horror Conspiracy Theory - 9/28/97
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 07:40:25 +0000
> Bull, you know the deal.
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I'd say that was a side-effect of the Essence loss. (Why the loss?
Good question)


> I have yet to work up stats for the monster, but I'm thinking Johnny and
> Bull may have to bargain with a free spirit to open an astral gateway,
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Yeah....make it real hard to find it, then make it ask for something
totally unreasonable (maybe.....his family) so that he must refuse.
Let him decide he has to get used to being furry. then offer him
some hope....something the spirit would want that he discovers.
Again with the finding of the spirit (it tried to hide again after
being discovered once), and again with the bargaining. Nope, turns
out that the spirit is interested in thing A anymore. sigh. Then,
Bull hears about Thing B, which isn't worth anything by itself, but
together with thing A it would be irrestable. Wait, did he keep
thing A after getting turned down, or did he sell/trade/donate it to
the many willing takers?

If he succeeds and getting thing A and B and finding the spirit a
third time (who, in addition to moving again, may set a bunch of its
followers to nab Bull et al ) he can negotiate....but I'd say he
keeps part of his abilities.

Also, to make it really frustrating, have all hermetics deny that
this VI could exist when questioned about it, and not mention it
otherwise. Have a bunch of shaman types who refuse to speak in clear
terms. "The SoulStain hungers. You consume. Only the Star that
shines in the sea and not the sky can save you." That sort of
thing.


Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tinner's Paranoid Horror Conspiracy Theory - 9/28/97
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 07:35:28 -0600
Steven A. Tinner wrote:
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| The part that's bugging me is what causes the need to consume Essence?
| I just couldn't justify a virus that devours essence, especially
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| that most of the vampiric critters drain essence permanantly.

Perhaps the virus consumes it's victim's essence and, gives it's
victim the ability to drain essence (so that the virus can stay alive).
It's your typical parasitic relationship.

And, it isn't easy for a vampire to drain essence permanently. Very
specific conditions have to be met.

| A solution to this problem escaped me until I happened to re-open my copy
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| Rifts: Vampire Kingdoms.
| Holy cow! A Vampiric Intelligence!

| So I looked at the descriptions, and I looked at the stats, and I realized
| that a VI would make a GREAT minor astral Horror.

Well, yes, this is more in tune with your typical EGM ways :)

| I have yet to work up stats for the monster, but I'm thinking Johnny and
| Bull may have to bargain with a free spirit to open an astral gateway,
| allowing them through to the horror's domain, where they can fight
| it/bargain with it, etc.

I'd make this thing as scary as hell. And bargaining would be the
only way to deal with it.

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
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"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
Message no. 4
From: Rick J Irvine <irvine@***.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tinner's Paranoid Horror Conspiracy Theory - 9/28/97
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:08:05 -0500
Brett thus spake:
> Yeah....make it real hard to find it, then make it ask for something
> totally unreasonable (maybe.....his family) so that he must refuse.
> Let him decide he has to get used to being furry. then offer him
> some hope....something the spirit would want that he discovers.

Hey, *Rowr*, there is -nothing- wrong with being furry, thankyouverymuch.

Cheers,
Cheetah
Message no. 5
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Tinner's Paranoid Horror Conspiracy Theory - 9/28/97
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:59:01 -0500
At 29-Sep-97 wrote Rick J Irvine:



>Hey, *Rowr*, there is -nothing- wrong with being furry, thankyouverymuch.

You have deleted the spoiler, fool.
The are there for a reason.

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Barbie
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Evil Overlord advice #17:

When I employ people as advisors, I will occasionally listen to
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http://www.amigaworld.com/barbie
FAQ keeper of SR_D, the german Shadowrun mailing list.
Amiga RC5 Team effort member.
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Message no. 6
From: Rick J Irvine <irvine@***.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tinner's Paranoid Horror Conspiracy Theory - 9/28/97
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:20:43 -0500
Barbie wrote:
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(Snipping thwap)

This is very weird, it was in my version. Maybe my reflexes were a bit TOO
fast, especially on the delete key. For this (and for the thwopping with what
was left of that yummy fish which I just sent out), I apologize. :) I was
commenting on his 'furry' comment. I honestly don't know how I deleted -all-
of it, though I did mean to remove most, since I was only commenting on that
one small part (and I am no damned AOLer).

Thorry. :)

Cheetah

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