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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: [Tolmwapper] Cyberpunk explained
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:47:26 -0700
"You're living in a fantasy world man!" Shamus exclaimed, his speech
slightly slurred by the vast ammounts of alcohol he had consumed over
the course of the evening.

Magus grunted as he put down his empty beer and raised his hand for
another. Crazy Eddie, the barkeep and owner of Crazy Eddie's,
acknowledged Magus with a ruefull shake of the head.

"When are you going to pull your head out of your totem and take a
look at the world around you," Shamus replied. "Take Sam for
example." Sam, who was sitting across the room having a quiet
conversation with Fred, glanced over when he heard his name. "He's a
walking advertisement for the technological advances of the 21st
century. How can you sit there and tell me this is a fantasy world
with Sam sitting in the same room with you."

Shamus turned his head and glared at Sam. Sam glared back. Fred
continued to extol the virtues of being a vegetarian, unaware of the
debate in the center of the room. "All right. Explain Fred," Shamus
countered with a drunken grin. "Hell, you're a mage, explain that!"
he continued, emphasizing his point by pounding his fist on the
table. Eddie took a few steps to the right, putting himself within
reach of the shotgun he had strapped under the bar.

Magus sighed. "Magic has only existed since the turn of the
century. True, it's effects are clearly felt, but it isn't the
governing force behind the world.

"What is magic doing for mankind right now? Nothing. The megacorps
aren't selling magic, they're selling technology. People living in
the barrens don't want magic, they want food. The gangs and the mob
and the yakuza don't use magic, they use guns. Proffesional sports,
ditto. The government, ditto. The military, ditto. Name one
instance where magic is having a significant effect on society."

"Dragons!"

"Dragons?! Big fat hairy deal! Are any dragons in politics? Do you
see dragons in the barrens? Have you ever actually seen a dragon?
Well?! They're insignificant!"

"Ha! All right mister smarty pants. What has technology done for
shoshiety.. society? Huh? Look around. Technology is only for the
rich. It isn't in the barrens. It isn't in the, the, oh frag it!

"Magic is the driving force behind all living things."

"Great, here we go again."

"Don't interrupt me. Magic surrounds us, flows through us, guides
us."

"May the Force be with you."

"Huh?"

"Never mind."

Shamus scrunched his eyebrows together in concentration, gave up, and
continued, "Look, when are *you* going to pull *your head* out of
*your* PhD and see the universe as it really is?!" as he leaned
across the table and jabbed Shamus repeatedly in his chest.

Shamus took a moment to look at Shamus's jabbing finger, then slowly
raised his head. Lightning flickered behind his eyes as he slowly
stood. Sam got up and headed for the door. Eddie reached under
the bar for his shotgun. Shamus stood up, knocking his chair over.
A hush fell over the other patrons in the bar. Fred continued
talking about fiber and the need for cleansing one's bowels.

Shamus raised his arms, started dancing and chanting, tangled his
feet together, and fell. His head cracked off a nearby table,
sending him into the oblivian of unconsciousness.

"Nobody move," Magus said calmly. "As soon as he wakes up, I'll
finish him."

"You're living in a fantasy world man," Eddie said with a grin as he
pressed the barrel end of his shotgun to the back of Shamus's head.

Shamus's eyes filled with rage.

Sam calmly lit his cigarette in an ally across the street as he
watched the windows of Crazzie Eddie's explode in a tornado of
lightning and bullets. "Welcome to a world of magic and technology,"
he intoned. "Which is the driving force behind the universe? Which
one should we bow down and worship? Or, is a high fiber diet and
regular excercise the secret to living a healthy life?"

:)

-David
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"Laugh and grow strong."
- St. Ignatius of Loyola
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Message no. 2
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [Tolmwapper] Cyberpunk explained
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:22:02 +0000
And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...

This is one confusing conversation in places.
I thing you're getting Shamus and Magus mixed up...
Look...

|Shamus took a moment to look at Shamus's jabbing finger, then slowly
|raised his head.

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Message no. 3
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [Tolmwapper] Cyberpunk explained
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:24:50 +1000
David Buehrer writes:
>"Dragons!"
>
>"Dragons?! Big fat hairy deal! Are any dragons in politics? Do you
>see dragons in the barrens? Have you ever actually seen a dragon?
>Well?! They're insignificant!"


Yes, there are (or were) dragons in politics... ;)

(Couldn't resist... I'll stay out of this thread now)

OTH, Dragon's don't invalidate the concept of SR as cyberpunk. If we could
them "Big Alien Visitors from another Planet", then that would be sci-fi,
not fantasy. Ditto for magic.

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.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com

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