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Message no. 1
From: Debbie Giesbrecht <Debbie_Giesbrecht@**.CHIRON.COM>
Subject: Transform spell
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 10:20:15 PST
I was looking through the Grimoire this weekend and I have a question. There is
a spell that lets you turn other people into animals. This is a resisted spell.
How many successes does the mage need to change someone into a bunny? one? It
wasn't clear.

Debbie
Message no. 2
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 18:25:11 +0100
In reply to Debbie Giesbrecht .....

> How many successes does the mage need to change someone into a bunny? one?
> It wasn't clear.

Yep, it has been resisted by that stage after all.

Phill.
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Message no. 3
From: John Moeller <John.Moeller@*.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 13:05:19 -0600
On Tue, 16 Aug 1994, The Powerhouse wrote:

> In reply to Debbie Giesbrecht .....
>
> > How many successes does the mage need to change someone into a bunny? one?
> > It wasn't clear.
>
> Yep, it has been resisted by that stage after all.

Would someone PLEASE send me a grimoire with the "Analyze Shadowrun
Spell" spell? I'm lost! I can't figure out Shadowrun spells!

John IV
Message no. 4
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@*******.UPS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 22:16:00 -0700
Debbie asks:

>I was looking through the Grimoire this weekend and I have a question. There
>is a spell that lets you turn other people into animals. This is a resisted
>spell. How many successes does the mage need to change someone into a bunny?
>one? It wasn't clear.

As with all SRII spells, only one success is needed for a spell to take affect.

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Message no. 5
From: Micah Levy <M.Levy@**.UCL.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 16:27:54 +0100
They have to overcome the successes rolled by the target who uses the Body
Rating.

Micah Levy
Message no. 6
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@******.UOW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 22:38:43 +0000
John IV writes:

> On Tue, 16 Aug 1994, The Powerhouse wrote:
> > In reply to Debbie Giesbrecht .....
> > > How many successes does the mage need to change someone into a bunny?
one?
> > > It wasn't clear.
> > Yep, it has been resisted by that stage after all.

Well, looking at the spell, it doesn't have a little [R] next to the Willpower
target number, so it is not a resisted spell. Therefore the casting magician
only needs a single success to cast the spell.

> Would someone PLEASE send me a grimoire with the "Analyze Shadowrun
> Spell" spell? I'm lost! I can't figure out Shadowrun spells!

Heh Heh, Dr. Doom has the "Summon DLoH" spell; if we send him our nastiest
questions, Doom will (hopefully) summon up the DLoh and get us some asnwers.

Micah writes:

> They have to overcome the successes rolled by the target who uses the Body
> Rating.

Actually it is a non resisted spell, target willpower. The target gets no
Willpower or Body dice to resist. This does seem a little strange to me though.
I would have though it to be a resisted spell.

A question on the Shapechange and (Critter) Form spell though; If the spell
requires a voluntary target, then why is te target number Willpower? Every
other voluntary spell is a set target number (whether it be 4, or 6, or in the
case of some health spells essense based or toxin power level based). If the
target is willing, I would have though the casting mage would have had a better
target number than Willpower. Heck, that means most mages would be lucky to
affect themsleves with a Shapechange spell.

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Message no. 7
From: Micah Levy <M.Levy@**.UCL.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 19:58:11 +0100
To my great surprise, upon checking the Grimoire, Transform is not given as
a Resisted spell...And why on Earth is it Willpower?
According to the spell creation rules, any transformation spell like that
must be resisted and if it is a physical transformation then it is resisted
with Body not Willpower. (See bottom of P.121)
Someone, anyone, please tell me that this is a typo...

Micah Levy
Message no. 8
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@******.UOW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 12:02:30 +0000
Micah writes:

> To my great surprise, upon checking the Grimoire, Transform is not given as
> a Resisted spell...And why on Earth is it Willpower?
> According to the spell creation rules, any transformation spell like that
> must be resisted and if it is a physical transformation then it is resisted
> with Body not Willpower. (See bottom of P.121)
> Someone, anyone, please tell me that this is a typo...

Well, it's not in the grimything errata. All that's in there is the tables for
material costs, and a note about wards.

If you look at the (Critter) Form and Shapechange spells then you'll notice
that they both have willpower as the target number, and they are volunatry
spells.

I think both of these things are strange. The Transform spell should at least
be a resisted spell, and it probably should be Body not Willpower, and I also
think that the other two should have a set target number, not Willpower, as
otherwise the caster would get varying numbers of successes depending on the
targets Willpower [and would likely be hard pused to effect himself].

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Damion Milliken University of Wollongong E-Mail: u9467882@******.uow.edu.au

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Message no. 9
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 11:43:59 -0400
On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Micah Levy wrote:

> To my great surprise, upon checking the Grimoire, Transform is not given as
> a Resisted spell...And why on Earth is it Willpower?
> According to the spell creation rules, any transformation spell like that
> must be resisted and if it is a physical transformation then it is resisted
> with Body not Willpower. (See bottom of P.121)
> Someone, anyone, please tell me that this is a typo...
>
> Micah Levy
>

Yep, knowing the Grimoire, it probably is a typo. The entire
book is fraught with them, much to my chagrin. I would say that anything
that hoses somebody up in a big way (like being turned into a newt) gets
resisted. And I agree that since its a physical change it should
probably be resisted by Body, but either way, its not a pretty scene.
The mage is generally rolling more dice than the target.

Marc ("...I got better.")
Message no. 10
From: Micah Levy <M.Levy@**.UCL.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 19:39:17 +0100
It must be a typo....It completely contradicts the spell creation rules.
Very strange that it hasn't come up before.
I agree about it being Body(R) not Willpower.

Micah Levy
Message no. 11
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Transform spell
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 00:20:29 -0400
On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Micah Levy wrote:

> To my great surprise, upon checking the Grimoire, Transform is not given as
> a Resisted spell...And why on Earth is it Willpower?
> According to the spell creation rules, any transformation spell like that
> must be resisted and if it is a physical transformation then it is resisted
> with Body not Willpower. (See bottom of P.121)
> Someone, anyone, please tell me that this is a typo...
>
> Micah Levy
>
This is a typo..This was published in Ka*ge in a Q&A with Tom Dowd..
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