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Message no. 1
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Trideo
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:07:01 -0500
A while back there was some discussion on what a trideo unit looks like.
In the most recent product by FASA, Mob War!, a trideo unit was described
as a flat sheet, like a picture, in which the 3-D images could be seen.


-Thomas Deeny, Evil GM
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Message no. 2
From: Technomancer <arvanit@***.UCH.GR>
Subject: Re: Trideo
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 05:50:37 +0300
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Faux Pas (Thomas) wrote:

> A while back there was some discussion on what a trideo unit looks like.
> In the most recent product by FASA, Mob War!, a trideo unit was described
> as a flat sheet, like a picture, in which the 3-D images could be seen.
>

Where is the 3-D then? I thought it would be more like a flat sheet, above
which the image floats.

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Message no. 3
From: Max Rible <slothman@*********.ORG>
Subject: Re: Trideo
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:16:05 -0800
At 05:50 AM 5/8/97 +0300, Technomancer wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Faux Pas (Thomas) wrote:
>> A while back there was some discussion on what a trideo unit looks like.
>> In the most recent product by FASA, Mob War!, a trideo unit was described
>> as a flat sheet, like a picture, in which the 3-D images could be seen.

>Where is the 3-D then? I thought it would be more like a flat sheet, above
>which the image floats.

I expect it would be more like a window that you could see the image through.

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Message no. 4
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Trideo
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:20:16 -0500
At 05:50 AM 5/8/97 +0300, Technomancer whispered:
>On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Faux Pas (Thomas) wrote:
>
>> A while back there was some discussion on what a trideo unit looks like.
>> In the most recent product by FASA, Mob War!, a trideo unit was described
>> as a flat sheet, like a picture, in which the 3-D images could be seen.
>>
>
>Where is the 3-D then? I thought it would be more like a flat sheet, above
>which the image floats.

I think it's a false image inside the picture frame, similar to how the
holographic postcards work. But while re-reading Shadowbeat this weekend,
there is a floor model that broadcasts a three-d image into the air above
the unit.


-Thomas Deeny
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than that idiot Ash?"
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Message no. 5
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Trideo
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:39:48 +0000
On 8 May 97 at 5:50, Technomancer wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Faux Pas (Thomas) wrote:
>
> > A while back there was some discussion on what a trideo unit looks like.
> > In the most recent product by FASA, Mob War!, a trideo unit was described
> > as a flat sheet, like a picture, in which the 3-D images could be seen.
> >
>
> Where is the 3-D then? I thought it would be more like a flat sheet,
> above which the image floats.

That would be a hologram projector. Trideo is 3D-video, which is like
a TV, but 3D. In the Shadowrun world, trideo screens are large,
typically taking up most of a wall (a 5 or 6 ft. wide screen). The
3-D is created by projecting the image from the surface back to
infinity, rather than bringing the image out. Think of looking out a
picture window at the world. Certain pictures/images can be rotated
via remote to be viewed from any angle, if they were filmed that way.
Holography is still very expensive in the 205x's. It is used mainly
in design and for computer image prototyping.

Just my 0.02, YMMV.

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Message no. 6
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Trideo
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:04:18 EDT
On Thu, 8 May 1997 05:50:37 +0300 Technomancer <arvanit@***.UCH.GR>
writes:
>On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Faux Pas (Thomas) wrote:
>
>> A while back there was some discussion on what a trideo unit looks
like.
>> In the most recent product by FASA, Mob War!, a trideo unit was
described
>> as a flat sheet, like a picture, in which the 3-D images could be
seen.
>>
>
>Where is the 3-D then? I thought it would be more like a flat sheet,
above
>which the image floats.

Imagine it as being more like holograms of today. The third dimension in
the picture is an illusion, it doesn't exist, even though it looks very
real.

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-Canthros
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the truth shall set you free. canthros1@***.com
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Message no. 7
From: Aristotle antithesis@**********.com
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:01:47 -0500
Greetings,

A few months ago I asked for a better explanation of "simsense" and some of
you explained the technology and helped give me a better grasp as to what
simsense is.

Another piece of technology that I would like explained is "trideo." I see
it enough in the books, but am not quite sure what it is really. I always
assumed it was one piece of tech that replaced television, radio, and other
home entertainment technologies, but I could be wrong. Anyone care to clarify?

Thanks,
Aristotle.
Message no. 8
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:17:07 -0500
Aristotle wrote:
>
> Greetings,

> Another piece of technology that I would like explained is "trideo." I see
> it enough in the books, but am not quite sure what it is really. I always
> assumed it was one piece of tech that replaced television, radio, and other
> home entertainment technologies, but I could be wrong. Anyone care to clarify?

I always assumed it was Three (tri) Dimensional (d) Video (eo). The
novels talk about the use of holo phones, so how hard would it be to
send video in a holographic format?

--
Iridios
"Accept what you cannot avoid,
Avoid what you cannot accept."
Message no. 9
From: Celtic Prince of Lies moa1@*******.edu
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:53:39 -0500
At 09:17 PM 02/15/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I always assumed it was Three (tri) Dimensional (d) Video (eo). The
>novels talk about the use of holo phones, so how hard would it be to
>send video in a holographic format?
>
>--
>Iridios
>"Accept what you cannot avoid,
> Avoid what you cannot accept."

I do believe, however, that SR3 rather pointedly says there is a difference
between trideo and holographic imagery. I'm not exactly sure of what it
stands for myself.
Message no. 10
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:29:29 -0500
Celtic Prince of Lies wrote:
>
> At 09:17 PM 02/15/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >I always assumed it was Three (tri) Dimensional (d) Video (eo). The
> >novels talk about the use of holo phones, so how hard would it be to
> >send video in a holographic format?
> >
> >--
> >Iridios
> >"Accept what you cannot avoid,
> > Avoid what you cannot accept."
>
> I do believe, however, that SR3 rather pointedly says there is a difference
> between trideo and holographic imagery. I'm not exactly sure of what it
> stands for myself.

According to Shadowbeat, trideo means boths 3-D holovision and
"three-way" access: broadcasts, cable, and telephone. Trideo is also
called 3-V in Shadowbeat.


--
Iridios
"Accept what you cannot avoid,
Avoid what you cannot accept."
Message no. 11
From: HHackerH@***.com HHackerH@***.com
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:26:24 EST
In a message dated 2/15/00 9:54:26 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
moa1@*******.edu writes:

> I do believe, however, that SR3 rather pointedly says there is a difference
> between trideo and holographic imagery. I'm not exactly sure of what it
> stands for myself.
>
Trideo, IIRC (based upon the information from Shadowbeat and other sources),
is a three-dimensional visual representational effect that still sits "on a
screen". Holography is not always the case, more of the "seems to hang in
midair" concept. Now I know this isn't the pure term of "holography" by
our
terms, now, but I suppose you could make a distinction enough to warrant the
terms being seperate.

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Message no. 12
From: Tzeentch tzeentch666@*********.net
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:07:34 -0800
Trideo is well described on p. 20, Shadowbeat.

FACTS AT A GLANCE: TRIDEO
*"Trideo" encompasses 3D holovision (3V) as well as "three-way"
access:
broadcasts, cable, telephone
*3V format is in XScan holo protocol developed by Renraku in 2024.
*3V is "true" holo we can imagine, since the displays are noted in cubic
meters.
*Holo projectors exist (p. 21, SB)

FACTS AT A GLANCE: HOLOPHONES
*Can project full-body holos of the caller (p. 21 SB)

Ken
---------------------------
There's a war out there, old friend, a world war. And it's not about who's
got the most bullets, it's about who controls the information. What we see
and hear, how we work, what we think, it's all about the information!
Cosmo, 'Sneakers'
Message no. 13
From: Simon Fuller sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:33:14 +1100
-----Original Message-----
From: Aristotle <antithesis@**********.com>
To: ShadowRN@*********.org <ShadowRN@*********.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 9:09 AM
Subject: Trideo?


>Greetings,
>
>A few months ago I asked for a better explanation of "simsense" and some of
>you explained the technology and helped give me a better grasp as to what
>simsense is.
>
>Another piece of technology that I would like explained is "trideo." I see
>it enough in the books, but am not quite sure what it is really. I always
>assumed it was one piece of tech that replaced television, radio, and other
>home entertainment technologies, but I could be wrong. Anyone care to
clarify?
>
>Thanks,
>Aristotle.
>
I have seen computer games that look three-d, by using mirrors to reflect
the image up so it looks like there is a figure standing out of the
horizontal screen. Don't ask for more details because I don't know what the
game was, too long ago, and I have no idea exactly how it worked. The only
problem was that there was a single figure with no background. I'd say that
Trideo or Trid uses simmilar principles or at least has simmilar affects.
The screen is flat like a TV but the image is 3-D. As for one piece of tech
replacing several, I am using my faxmodem to send a letter from my computer
that is obsolete but still capable of playing a CD and getting 'radio'
stations over the net or watching footage. A bit of extra tech and it could
be a TV, Radio, CD and DVD player, Game Console, Phone, Answering Machine,
Personal Organiser, etc. etc. Except for the 3-D screen and superior video
conferencing, we pretty much have the tech now, it just isn't commonplace.
Almost all data transfer is over the Matrix, so there are no radio stations
or tv broadcasters in 206*
Message no. 14
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:00:13 +0100
According to Aristotle, at 17:01 on 15 Feb 00, the word on the street
was...

> Another piece of technology that I would like explained is "trideo." I see
> it enough in the books, but am not quite sure what it is really. I always
> assumed it was one piece of tech that replaced television, radio, and other
> home entertainment technologies, but I could be wrong. Anyone care to clarify?

You should really try to track down a copy of Shadowbeat -- it explains
most of the stuff you're asking questions about :)

Anyway, trideo is a kind of three-dimensional TV (Shadowbeat also calls it
"3V"). Apparently, normal TVs are flat, while trid "screens" are boxes

which project 3D holograms. So, in short, a trideo is a TV set that
projects three-dimensional images instead of two-dimensional ones.

--
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Message no. 15
From: Aristotle antithesis@**********.com
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:53:49 -0500
>>According to Aristotle, at 17:01 on 15 Feb 00:
>> Another piece of technology that I would like explained is "trideo."
<Snip most of my original post>

At 12:00 PM 2/16/00 +0100, Gurth Replied:
>You should really try to track down a copy of Shadowbeat -- it explains
>most of the stuff you're asking questions about :)

I know it man. This, as well as some other out of print stuff, is high on
my wish list. I unfortunately came into the game a bit late, and missed a
great deal of good material.

In any case thank you all for answering this question. Shadowrun is already
an outstanding game system, but with the type of support this list provides
it is even more so.

Thanks again,
Aristotle, The Sleeping Op.
Message no. 16
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:36:18 -0600
From: Aristotle
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 7:54 AM

> >You should really try to track down a copy of Shadowbeat -- it
> >explains most of the stuff you're asking questions about :)
>
> I know it man. This, as well as some other out of print stuff, is
> high on my wish list. I unfortunately came into the game a bit late,
> and missed a great deal of good material.

eBay is your friend. Doing a quick search right now shows 168 items with
"Shadowrun" in their item description, including a copy of SHADOWBEAT that
has a $5.99 opening bid.

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 17
From: Lurch lurch@****.net
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:21:24 -0600
As I've always understood it, trideo technology occupies a midway point
between conventional 2-D video images and free-standing full-motion
color holography (which seems just out of reach of full-scale consumer
production in SR so far unless I'm missing a critical resource
somewhere). It projects an image onto a flat screen like standard
video, but the composition of the screen enables the signal to carry
additional embedded information that translates into a virtual
depth-perception effect (something like looking at a relief-map, or more
accurately a diorama). Picture those 3D-stereoscopic images that were
all the rage a few years ago and you're on the right track.

--
Lurch
http://yourang.freeservers.com
"Sic gorgiamus allo subjectatus nunc"
Message no. 18
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:45:05 +0100
According to Aristotle, at 8:53 on 16 Feb 00, the word on the street
was...

> At 12:00 PM 2/16/00 +0100, Gurth Replied:
> >You should really try to track down a copy of Shadowbeat -- it explains
> >most of the stuff you're asking questions about :)
>
> I know it man. This, as well as some other out of print stuff, is high on
> my wish list. I unfortunately came into the game a bit late, and missed a
> great deal of good material.

Try places like ebay.com, and web sites of game stores that do mail-order.
You might be able to find a copy, although OTOH it's very likely that many
other people got the same idea :)

> In any case thank you all for answering this question. Shadowrun is already
> an outstanding game system, but with the type of support this list provides
> it is even more so.

We aim to please (or sometimes for the head, but in those cases that comes
down to the same thing ;)

--
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I'm talking to strangers to see what I feel
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ UL P L+ E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 19
From: Simon Fuller sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Trideo?
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:20:37 +1100
-----Original Message-----
From: Tzeentch <tzeentch666@*********.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2000 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Trideo?


>FACTS AT A GLANCE: HOLOPHONES
>*Can project full-body holos of the caller (p. 21 SB)
>
>Ken


Imagine the phone sex, cor!

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