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Message no. 1
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:00:33 -0500 (EST)
>(Weelllllll... not TRUST, exactly...)
>
Trusting people in Shadowrun can be a bad plan as it is...

Although, if you read my list of NPC's from our game, I'd say Bull
completely trusts about half that list, and at least half trusts the
othyers. The person he trusts the LEAST tend to be the PC's!:)

ANother thing... ANs this is off the topic AND a loaded question...

Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn into any
normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?



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# chaos@*****.com #
# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
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"You do more damage out of simple irritation than most
men can do in a towering rage."
-David Eddings, "Demon Lord of Karanda
Message no. 2
From: The Jestyr <s421539@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:23:53 +1000 (EST)
> ANother thing... ANs this is off the topic AND a loaded question...
>
> Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn into any
> normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?

A guy who used to play with our group had a dwarven mage named Flint.
Flint had a shapechange spell. Flint used to go on pub-crawls with us as
a polar bear. :)


Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 3
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:00:58 -0500 (EST)
>
>> ANother thing... ANs this is off the topic AND a loaded question...
>>
>> Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn into any
>> normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?
>
>A guy who used to play with our group had a dwarven mage named Flint.
>Flint had a shapechange spell. Flint used to go on pub-crawls with us as
>a polar bear. :)
>
>
<grin> I like that... Sounds like fun, and nice and clean...:)


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# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
# chaos@*****.com #
# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
#######################################################

"You do more damage out of simple irritation than most
men can do in a towering rage."
-David Eddings, "Demon Lord of Karanda
Message no. 4
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 23:55:29 -0700
The Jestyr wrote:
>
> > ANother thing... ANs this is off the topic AND a loaded question...
> >
> > Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn into any
> > normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?
>
> A guy who used to play with our group had a dwarven mage named Flint.
> Flint had a shapechange spell. Flint used to go on pub-crawls with us as
> a polar bear. :)

We also had Bandit, a Raccoon shaman that was fond of his Spell-locked
Raccoon form spell. 'Course when we really looked at his stats when in
Raccoon form, he had to be a c'ccon the size of a german shepard...

Lots of fun role-playing when he was caught having to go back to human
form sans equipment and clothing... :o)

Just ask Caric and Rookie how often the group heard the Shaman's voice
cry - "But...but...I was naked!!!!"



@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Poisoned Elves
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Message no. 5
From: "Caric" <caric@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:09:42 -0700
----------
> From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
> To: shadowrn@********.itribe.net
> Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
> Date: Wednesday, September 25, 1996 11:55 PM
>
> The Jestyr wrote:
> >
> > > ANother thing... ANs this is off the topic AND a loaded question...
> > >
> > > Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn
into any
> > > normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?
> >
> > A guy who used to play with our group had a dwarven mage named Flint.
> > Flint had a shapechange spell. Flint used to go on pub-crawls with us
as
> > a polar bear. :)
>
> We also had Bandit, a Raccoon shaman that was fond of his Spell-locked
> Raccoon form spell. 'Course when we really looked at his stats when in
> Raccoon form, he had to be a c'ccon the size of a german shepard...
>
> Lots of fun role-playing when he was caught having to go back to human
> form sans equipment and clothing... :o)
>
> Just ask Caric and Rookie how often the group heard the Shaman's voice
> cry - "But...but...I was naked!!!!"
>
>
>
> @>-,--'--- Loki
>
Seth really did get into that char. I just wanted to state the fact that
he existed BEFORE the novels with Bandit in them came out it was just a
happy coincidence.


Caric-Who-Is-Naked-Right-Now


Muahahahahaha
Message no. 6
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:31:19 -0500 (EST)
>Caric-Who-Is-Naked-Right-Now
>
Honestly, Caric, that's more info than I needed to know...:)


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# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
# chaos@*****.com #
# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
#######################################################

"You do more damage out of simple irritation than most
men can do in a towering rage."
-David Eddings, "Demon Lord of Karanda
Message no. 7
From: "Caric" <caric@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:13:11 -0700
----------
> From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.com>
> To: shadowrn@********.itribe.net
> Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
> Date: Thursday, September 26, 1996 11:31 AM
>
> >Caric-Who-Is-Naked-Right-Now
> >
> Honestly, Caric, that's more info than I needed to know...:)
>
Sorry...Did I share too much?


Caric
Message no. 8
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:19:05 -0700
Caric wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
> > To: shadowrn@********.itribe.net
> > Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
> > Date: Wednesday, September 25, 1996 11:55 PM
> >
> > The Jestyr wrote:
> > >
> > > > ANother thing... ANs this is off the topic AND a loaded question...
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn
> into any
> > > > normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?
> > >
> > > A guy who used to play with our group had a dwarven mage named Flint.
> > > Flint had a shapechange spell. Flint used to go on pub-crawls with us
> as
> > > a polar bear. :)
> >
> > We also had Bandit, a Raccoon shaman that was fond of his Spell-locked
> > Raccoon form spell. 'Course when we really looked at his stats when in
> > Raccoon form, he had to be a c'ccon the size of a german shepard...
> >
> > Lots of fun role-playing when he was caught having to go back to human
> > form sans equipment and clothing... :o)
> >
> > Just ask Caric and Rookie how often the group heard the Shaman's voice
> > cry - "But...but...I was naked!!!!"
> >
> >
> >
> > @>-,--'--- Loki
> >
> Seth really did get into that char. I just wanted to state the fact that
> he existed BEFORE the novels with Bandit in them came out it was just a
> happy coincidence.
>
> Caric-Who-Is-Naked-Right-Now
>
> Muahahahahaha

Seems he's starting to get into Chet now too. It's good to see him relax
and start role-playing again...

@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

*********************************************
Poisoned Elves
http://www.netzone.com/~loki/
*********************************************
Message no. 9
From: "Caric" <caric@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:24:28 -0700
> > > We also had Bandit, a Raccoon shaman that was fond of his
Spell-locked
> > > Raccoon form spell. 'Course when we really looked at his stats when
in
> > > Raccoon form, he had to be a c'ccon the size of a german shepard...
> > >
> > > Lots of fun role-playing when he was caught having to go back to
human
> > > form sans equipment and clothing... :o)
> > >
> > > Just ask Caric and Rookie how often the group heard the Shaman's
voice
> > > cry - "But...but...I was naked!!!!"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > @>-,--'--- Loki
> > >
> > Seth really did get into that char. I just wanted to state the fact
that
> > he existed BEFORE the novels with Bandit in them came out it was just a
> > happy coincidence.
> >
> > Caric-Who-Is-Naked-Right-Now
> >
> > Muahahahahaha
>
> Seems he's starting to get into Chet now too. It's good to see him relax
> and start role-playing again...
>
> @>-,--'--- Loki
>
Ditto.

Caric
Message no. 10
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:57:06 -0700
Steven Ratkovich wrote:
>
> >Caric-Who-Is-Naked-Right-Now
> >
> Honestly, Caric, that's more info than I needed to know...:)

"Why the f*ck you telling me that?" - Bodyguard in Striptease


@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

*********************************************
Poisoned Elves
http://www.netzone.com/~loki/
*********************************************
Message no. 11
From: Jamie Houston <s430472@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:41:43 +1000 (EST)
On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, The Jestyr wrote:

>
> > ANother thing... ANs this is off the topic AND a loaded question...
> >
> > Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn into any
> > normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?
>
> A guy who used to play with our group had a dwarven mage named Flint.
> Flint had a shapechange spell. Flint used to go on pub-crawls with us as
> a polar bear. :)
>
Or shapechange into a bird...fly at a window with a guy behind it, and
then shapechange into a rhino at the last moment....oh, it would be a
sight to see

ADDITION TO STEVE TINNER'S FAMOUS LAST WORDS:
"Hey...that bird's flying straight at the window....come and look at
this guys! Don't worry...he won't get through..."

Hamish, the death by rhino Scot


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lots of other unmentionable * crying"...And if he asks why God is
pseudonyms) * crying, another cute thing to tell
s430472@*****.student.gu.edu.au * him is "It's probably something
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Message no. 12
From: "Sedah Drol" <sedahdro@****.holli.com>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:10:33 +500
> > ANother thing... ANs this is off the topic AND a loaded question...
> >
> > Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn into any
> > normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?
>
> A guy who used to play with our group had a dwarven mage named Flint.
> Flint had a shapechange spell. Flint used to go on pub-crawls with us as
> a polar bear. :)

I once had a Player that either shapechanged or transformed a
Behemoth, into a kitty cat. And then Spell locked. Player didn't
want to risk dying fighting it, I guess.

--Sedah Drol

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Message no. 13
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:47:36 -0600 (MDT)
Sedah Drol wrote:
|
|I once had a Player that either shapechanged or transformed a
|Behemoth, into a kitty cat. And then Spell locked. Player didn't
|want to risk dying fighting it, I guess.

There's an idea for a terrorist weapon. Take said kitty
cat and put him in your target area and crack the lock from
astral space.

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~
Message no. 14
From: Joker <s1057948@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:38:37 +1000 (EST)
> > > Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn into any
> > > normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?
> >
> > A guy who used to play with our group had a dwarven mage named Flint.
> > Flint had a shapechange spell. Flint used to go on pub-crawls with us as
> > a polar bear. :)
>
And Rhino's might fly!!!

> I once had a Player that either shapechanged or transformed a
> Behemoth, into a kitty cat. And then Spell locked. Player didn't
> want to risk dying fighting it, I guess.
>
We were considering putting a weight(or size) limit on the type of creature
you can shapechange into... aminly because having a an intelligent,
magically resistant tiger running around all the time can be a pain in
the arse. We weren't quite sure on how to implment the rule.


Oh, and by the way.... Didn't the shapechange spell desription state that
it was non-awakened animals only??? A behemoth? Lonestar would be buying
elephant guns.


And misslie launchers.


Bleach.
Message no. 15
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 01:22:44 -0500 (EST)
>> I once had a Player that either shapechanged or transformed a
>> Behemoth, into a kitty cat. And then Spell locked. Player didn't
>> want to risk dying fighting it, I guess.
>>
>Oh, and by the way.... Didn't the shapechange spell desription state that
>it was non-awakened animals only??? A behemoth? Lonestar would be buying
>elephant guns.
>
Actually, he turned a behemoth into a kitty cat, if I read that right, which
would be legal, since the cat's not awakened, and it doesn't say it won't
effect an awakened animal...:)



****************************************************************************
-Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich
chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
****************************************************************************

"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
site from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 16
From: "Sedah Drol" <sedahdro@****.holli.com>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:19:53 +500
> > I once had a Player that either shapechanged or transformed a
> > Behemoth, into a kitty cat. And then Spell locked. Player didn't
> > want to risk dying fighting it, I guess.
> >
> We were considering putting a weight(or size) limit on the type of creature
> you can shapechange into... aminly because having a an intelligent,
> magically resistant tiger running around all the time can be a pain in
> the arse. We weren't quite sure on how to implment the rule.
>
>
> Oh, and by the way.... Didn't the shapechange spell desription state that
> it was non-awakened animals only??? A behemoth? Lonestar would be buying
> elephant guns.

The shapechange spell states that you can only shapechange into a
normal critter. At the time I couldn't find any rule that it
wouldn't affect certain animals. So I allowed the Behemoth to be
shapechanged/transformed into a cat.

---Sedah Drol

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Message no. 17
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 01:55:06 -0500 (EST)
>> Oh, and by the way.... Didn't the shapechange spell desription state that
>> it was non-awakened animals only??? A behemoth? Lonestar would be buying
>> elephant guns.
>
>The shapechange spell states that you can only shapechange into a
>normal critter. At the time I couldn't find any rule that it
>wouldn't affect certain animals. So I allowed the Behemoth to be
>shapechanged/transformed into a cat.
>
I would hope that it was a hard role to make. I've fought a Behemoth once,
and it was a pain in the @$$ to beat. Shapechange is just too easy of a cop
out. I'd make it more difficult due to the mass and size of the beast...



****************************************************************************
*******
-Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich
chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
****************************************************************************
*******

"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
site from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 18
From: "Sedah Drol" <sedahdro@****.holli.com>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 01:04:14 +500
> >The shapechange spell states that you can only shapechange into a
> >normal critter. At the time I couldn't find any rule that it
> >wouldn't affect certain animals. So I allowed the Behemoth to be
> >shapechanged/transformed into a cat.
> >
> I would hope that it was a hard role to make. I've fought a Behemoth once,
> and it was a pain in the @$$ to beat. Shapechange is just too easy of a cop
> out. I'd make it more difficult due to the mass and size of the beast...

BTW, the spell wasn't shapechange (which requires a voluntary
target), it was Transform (which doesn't); just looked up the spell
descriptions. Anyways I believe I made the target 14 (Body+armor)
rather than just plain old willpower, which is the usual target
number.

---Sedah Drol


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Message no. 19
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 02:26:38 -0500 (EST)
>> I would hope that it was a hard role to make. I've fought a Behemoth once,
>> and it was a pain in the @$$ to beat. Shapechange is just too easy of a cop
>> out. I'd make it more difficult due to the mass and size of the beast...
>
>BTW, the spell wasn't shapechange (which requires a voluntary
>target), it was Transform (which doesn't); just looked up the spell
>descriptions. Anyways I believe I made the target 14 (Body+armor)
>rather than just plain old willpower, which is the usual target
>number.
>
>
Sounds good to me...:)



****************************************************************************
*******
-Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich
chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
****************************************************************************
*******

"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
site from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 20
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 02:56:39 -0500 (EST)
>I would hope that it was a hard role to make. I've fought a Behemoth once,
>and it was a pain in the @$$ to beat. Shapechange is just too easy of a cop
>out. I'd make it more difficult due to the mass and size of the beast...

No you didn't. That was a Juggernaut. :-)
Still the behemoth would be pretty tough. They're the size of elepahnts.



FAMOUS LAST WORDS
"C'mon, let's give 'em two more turns to live."
Message no. 21
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:47:05 +0100
Joker said on 14:38/ 1 Oct 96...

> > > A guy who used to play with our group had a dwarven mage named Flint.
> > > Flint had a shapechange spell. Flint used to go on pub-crawls with us as
> > > a polar bear. :)
> >
> And Rhino's might fly!!!

With a Levitate spell, sure :)

> We were considering putting a weight(or size) limit on the type of creature
> you can shapechange into... aminly because having a an intelligent,
> magically resistant tiger running around all the time can be a pain in
> the arse. We weren't quite sure on how to implment the rule.

In an issue of Ka*Ge (don't try to pronounce it, you'll get it wrong :) I
once read, there was a Q&A section with Tom Dowd. One of the Qs was about
shapechange spells. The answer was that the maximum Body difference could
be 3 (I think that was it, yeah). So changing from a Body 5 human into a
mouse (Body 1, possibly less) is impossible, as is going from a human to
an elephant (Body 15).

Now I think I should add that I never used this rule even after becoming
aware of it.

--
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Message no. 22
From: big_jake@****.com (big_jake)
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:06:31 -0500
> Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn into a
> normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?

I'm proud of this one.

We were in the parking garage for a mall. We had to get a chauffeur out of
an armored limousine. Discreetly. My shaman shapechanged into a seagull,
flew over the windshield, and made a "deposit." Sure enough, out comes the
chauffeur with a cloth. Once he was out from behind the smoked glass, our
hermetic mage could see him, and stun bolted him.

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Message no. 23
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:52:04 +0100 (BST)
On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Gurth wrote:

> > We were considering putting a weight(or size) limit on the type of creature
<snip>
> In an issue of Ka*Ge (don't try to pronounce it, you'll get it wrong :) I
Caw Gay I beleive, or something similar :)

> I once read, there was a Q&A section with Tom Dowd. One of the Qs was
> about
> shapechange spells. The answer was that the maximum Body difference could
> be 3 (I think that was it, yeah). So changing from a Body 5 human into a
> mouse (Body 1, possibly less) is impossible, as is going from a human to
> an elephant (Body 15).
Yes I remember this, though I remember it as being 2 points difference
(small matter), and like you I never used the rule either -just a little
too restrictive IMHO.

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun
Message no. 24
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:57:40 +0000
On 1 Oct 96 at 17:06, big_jake wrote:
> We were in the parking garage for a mall. We had to get a chauffeur out of
> an armored limousine. Discreetly. My shaman shapechanged into a seagull,
> flew over the windshield, and made a "deposit." Sure enough, out comes the
> chauffeur with a cloth. Once he was out from behind the smoked glass, our
> hermetic mage could see him, and stun bolted him.
...But Birds can't control their... when they... well, you know.

Sascha
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Message no. 25
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:55:56 +0100 (BST)
|
|On 1 Oct 96 at 17:06, big_jake wrote:
|> We were in the parking garage for a mall. We had to get a chauffeur out of
|> an armored limousine. Discreetly. My shaman shapechanged into a seagull,
|> flew over the windshield, and made a "deposit." Sure enough, out comes the

|> chauffeur with a cloth. Once he was out from behind the smoked glass, our
|> hermetic mage could see him, and stun bolted him.
|...But Birds can't control their... when they... well, you know.

Are you sure of that? I've seen some pretty good precision bombing from
pigeons and seagulls before now.....
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Message no. 26
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:18:23 GMT
A Halliwell writes
nice tactics snipped

> |...But Birds can't control their... when they... well, you know.
>
> Are you sure of that? I've seen some pretty good precision bombing from
> pigeons and seagulls before now.....

Yeah, round here they seem to pick one car as 'todays target' and one
out of a street full gets 90% of the hits.

Mark
Message no. 27
From: GRANITE <granite@**.net>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 03:54:17 -0700
Sedah Drol wrote:
> I once had a Player that either shapechanged or transformed a
> Behemoth, into a kitty cat. And then Spell locked. Player didn't
> want to risk dying fighting it, I guess.
>

Uhhmm..There is a limit of (+) or (-) 2 to the body that can be achieved with
either of these spells..This came down from The old DLoH a few years ago..It
keeps you from turning a whale [extinct in SR2] into a guppy..

> --Sedah Drol
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Message no. 28
From: Edward Paul <doyle@******.edu>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 06:14:01 -1000
On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, GRANITE wrote:

> It keeps you from turning a whale [extinct in SR2] into a guppy..

What about in the Hawaii sourcebook? Didn't it mention whales,
and even rumors (rumours for the Brits out there) about some "awakened"
species?

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Message no. 29
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:56:12 +0000
On 4 Oct 96 at 3:54, GRANITE wrote:
> Sedah Drol wrote:
> > I once had a Player that either shapechanged or transformed a
> > Behemoth, into a kitty cat. And then Spell locked. Player didn't
> > want to risk dying fighting it, I guess.

> Uhhmm..There is a limit of (+) or (-) 2 to the body that can be achieved with
> either of these spells..This came down from The old DLoH a few years ago..It
> keeps you from turning a whale [extinct in SR2] into a guppy..

Hm, can you cast the spell in "stages"? You know, from Mouse (Bod 1) to a
large dog (Bod 3) to a Lion (Bod 5) to .... while you sustain the "older"
spells? Might give you a bad Modificator, but... can it be done?

Sascha
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Message no. 30
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:09:26 +0100
Sascha Pabst said on 18:56/ 4 Oct 96...

> Hm, can you cast the spell in "stages"? You know, from Mouse (Bod 1) to a
> large dog (Bod 3) to a Lion (Bod 5) to .... while you sustain the "older"
> spells? Might give you a bad Modificator, but... can it be done?

That's munchkinous, Sascha, and I think you know it :) I can't remember
the exact wording of the DLoH ruling in the Ka*Ge issue (anyone who has it
want to look it up?) but my own thought is be that it cannot be done. If I
were to use this rule, I'd say +/- 2 points from the Body of the original
critter you started with.

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Message no. 31
From: GRANITE <granite@**.net>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 16:21:13 -0700
Edward Paul wrote:
> > It keeps you from turning a whale [extinct in SR2] into a guppy..
> What about in the Hawaii sourcebook? Didn't it mention whales,
> and even rumors (rumours for the Brits out there) about some "awakened"
> species?


I was making an assumption..I have not read the Hawaii sourcebook..As for
awakened varieties..those don't count as the real thing... :)


Sascha wrote:
> Uhhmm..There is a limit of (+) or (-) 2 to the body that can be achieved with
> either of these spells..This came down from The old DLoH a few years ago..

Hm, can you cast the spell in "stages"? You know, from Mouse (Bod 1) to a
large dog (Bod 3) to a Lion (Bod 5) to .... while you sustain the "older"
spells? Might give you a bad Modificator, but... can it be done?


No as I recall..this too was adressed..I should have written (+) or (-)
natural body..
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Message no. 32
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:30:57 +0000
On 5 Oct 96 at 13:09, Gurth wrote:
[casting Shapechange in stages]
> That's munchkinous, Sascha, and I think you know it :) I can't remember
> the exact wording of the DLoH ruling in the Ka*Ge issue (anyone who has it
> want to look it up?) but my own thought is be that it cannot be done. If I
> were to use this rule, I'd say +/- 2 points from the Body of the original
> critter you started with.
*grin* Sure it is, but I guess it's also allowed "by the book". Time for
another house rule... :-)


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Message no. 33
From: Jamie Houston <s430472@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:32:15 +1000 (EST)
On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, big_jake wrote:

> > Has anyone used the shapechange spell (the one that lets you turn into a
> > normal animal) in a very creative way for role playing purposes only?
>
> I'm proud of this one.
>
> We were in the parking garage for a mall. We had to get a chauffeur out of
> an armored limousine. Discreetly. My shaman shapechanged into a seagull,
> flew over the windshield, and made a "deposit." Sure enough, out comes the
> chauffeur with a cloth. Once he was out from behind the smoked glass, our
> hermetic mage could see him, and stun bolted him.
>
He he he...I like it *golf clap*

Hamish


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Message no. 34
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Trust and Shapechanging...:)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:28:32 +0100
Sascha Pabst said on 15:30/ 6 Oct 96...

> [casting Shapechange in stages]
> > That's munchkinous, Sascha, and I think you know it :)
> *grin* Sure it is, but I guess it's also allowed "by the book". Time for
> another house rule... :-)

I don't use the +/-2 Body rule at all, but to anyone who does, I'd
recommend ruling that casting in stages is impossible...

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