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Message no. 1
From: Paolo Marcucci <marcucci@***.TS.ASTRO.IT>
Subject: T-Shirt
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 12:23:02 MET
What about a network diagram of skulls?
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Message no. 2
From: Can I play with madness <MKNABUSCH@******.BITNET>
Subject: T-shirt
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 01:33:10 -0500
Being my system went down to change onto internet
and they let our sub expire, I have yet to find
out what happened to the tee shirt thing.
Did it die? Did it fizzle? Is it being sold?
Can I get one? (hunting my sys with a virtual bow)
Michael.
Aka Harlequin
Message no. 3
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirt
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 01:41:55 -0500
On Fri, 1 Apr 1994, Can I play with madness wrote:

> Being my system went down to change onto internet
> and they let our sub expire, I have yet to find
> out what happened to the tee shirt thing.
> Did it die? Did it fizzle? Is it being sold?
> Can I get one? (hunting my sys with a virtual bow)

The t-shirt project seems to have fizzled. If not, _please_ let
me know, and I'll work on the next design idea!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * WOULD
* J.D. Falk jdfalk@****.com * *YOU*
* Official SHADOWRN@***** Haberdasher * BUY A
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SHIRT
* FTP current designs from CAIS.COM, * FROM
* directory /usr/jdfalk * THIS
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * MAN?
Message no. 4
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: T-Shirt
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:58:41 +0100
Is it just me or does everyone get this problem. Here's a little log of
something I just tried.

crag5 [sun4] 15% unzip shirt.zip
Unknown compression method. Bad
Invalid Zipfile Header

The file was ftp'ed in binary mode.

Phill.
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Message no. 5
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 06:50:57 -0400
On Thu, 5 May 1994, The Powerhouse wrote:

> Is it just me or does everyone get this problem. Here's a little log of
> something I just tried.
>
> crag5 [sun4] 15% unzip shirt.zip
> Unknown compression method. Bad
> Invalid Zipfile Header
>
> The file was ftp'ed in binary mode.

I have no problems with it with the version of unzip we've got
here on CAIS. So, here's an idea -- if you want an unizpped version to be
UUENCODEd and sent to you via EMail, contact me privately. Please try to
get the FTP'able ZIP first, 'cause I get too much mail as it is -- but, if
you've got problems with the ZIP file, I'll help you out.

Jai Tao
jdfalk@****.com
Official SHADOWRN@***** Keeper of the T-Shirt Files
Message no. 6
From: Darth Vader <j07c@***.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 12:12:43 +0100
> > Is it just me or does everyone get this problem. Here's a little log of
> > something I just tried.
> >
> > crag5 [sun4] 15% unzip shirt.zip
> > Unknown compression method. Bad
> > Invalid Zipfile Header
> >
> > The file was ftp'ed in binary mode.
>
> I have no problems with it with the version of unzip we've got
> here on CAIS. So, here's an idea -- if you want an unizpped version to be
> UUENCODEd and sent to you via EMail, contact me privately. Please try to
> get the FTP'able ZIP first, 'cause I get too much mail as it is -- but, if
> you've got problems with the ZIP file, I'll help you out.

If my memory serves me right the files are compressed with gzip
(.gz extension) inspite of the .zip extension which is characteristic
for the zip-pkzip programm. Just rename the file and use gunzip.

Hope this helps

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Twilight is upon me and soon night must fall.
That is the way of things ... the way of the Force.

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Message no. 7
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 13:27:31 -0400
On Sat, 7 May 1994, Darth Vader wrote:

> If my memory serves me right the files are compressed with gzip
> (.gz extension) inspite of the .zip extension which is characteristic
> for the zip-pkzip programm. Just rename the file and use gunzip.

Sorry, Darth -- you're wrong. (I mean, after all, its my FTP site
and I should know what kind of files are in it!) gunzip just sat there
for a while, then gave me some strange error.
How 'bout this. At my own personal expense (yes, I pay for the
amount of space I use here on CAIS) I will provide copies of the files
totally raw (no zip, no gzip, no compress) in the 'shirt.uncom' directory
of my FTP site.
This way, if you can't handle the zipped _or_ unzipped versions of
the files, we'll know its your own damned fault.

To reiterate: the t-shirts are being sold by our Fearless Leader,
Robert A. Hayden, and the designs can be gotten via FTP from the site
'cais.com'. The ZIP file containing all pertinent graphics and
information is '/usr/jdfalk/shirt.zip', and the unzipped files are in the
directory '/usr/jdfalk/shirt.uncom'. Be sure to set binary before
transferring files.
Message no. 8
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 12:51:59 -0500
Actually, the ZIP doesn't save much space, as GIFs don't compress. I'd
unzip them all, remove the zip, and put in a T-shirt.README that tells
everyone which files to get.

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Message no. 9
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 13:54:04 -0400
On Sat, 7 May 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Actually, the ZIP doesn't save much space, as GIFs don't compress. I'd
> unzip them all, remove the zip, and put in a T-shirt.README that tells
> everyone which files to get.
>
Okay, everybody -- that's what I've done. Just get all the files
in the 'tshirt' directory, and things will be peachy.
Message no. 10
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 13:56:34 -0400
On Sat, 7 May 1994, Jai Tao wrote:

> On Sat, 7 May 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
>
> > Actually, the ZIP doesn't save much space, as GIFs don't compress. I'd
> > unzip them all, remove the zip, and put in a T-shirt.README that tells
> > everyone which files to get.
> >
> Okay, everybody -- that's what I've done. Just get all the files
> in the 'tshirt' directory, and things will be peachy.

If anybody knows how to set up one o' them messages that FTP
forces you to read, contact me personally at <jdfalk@****.com>. It'd
really help a lot. Thanks!
Message no. 11
From: Darth Vader <j07c@***.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 21:52:51 +0100
> > If my memory serves me right the files are compressed with gzip
> > (.gz extension) inspite of the .zip extension which is characteristic
> > for the zip-pkzip programm. Just rename the file and use gunzip.
>
> Sorry, Darth -- you're wrong. (I mean, after all, its my FTP site
> and I should know what kind of files are in it!) gunzip just sat there
> for a while, then gave me some strange error.
> How 'bout this. At my own personal expense (yes, I pay for the
> amount of space I use here on CAIS) I will provide copies of the files
> totally raw (no zip, no gzip, no compress) in the 'shirt.uncom' directory
> of my FTP site.
> This way, if you can't handle the zipped _or_ unzipped versions of
> the files, we'll know its your own damned fault.

Ok after carefull consideration :) I came to the conclusion that
the (newer)zip format used here can be understood by gunzip (it worked
for me). I hope this helps you if not ask your local UNIX
guru or read the compression FAQ. You can FTP that from
rtfm.mit.edu or ftp.germany.eu.net. If you dont know
what ftp is seek professional help. But stop flooding the list

Thanx

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Twilight is upon me and soon night must fall.
That is the way of things ... the way of the Force.

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Message no. 12
From: Vincent Pellerin <Vincent.Pellerin@***.GMC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: T-shirt
Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 15:09:20 -0400
I wont have acces to my account for a period uknown to me for the
moment (between 1 and 6 weeks probably). I will be sending my NO-MAIL
command in a short moment.
The reason of this message is I told Gurth* my interest for a
T-shirt but i will not be able to continue to follow on the list where to
send the money and how much precisly. When these will be decided please
contact me peronnaly so i will have the info in my e-mail when i get back
(in an unknown time period). It might take time but i am still interested.
To who it may concern, tank you, be patient, let the force be with you, live
long and prosper and keep smiling...

Vince (who dont post much these days but read everything religiously)

I'LL BE BACK

* just checking, i am on the list of peoples who want a shirt, right Gurth ?
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Message no. 13
From: Kevin Runde <RUNDEKS@******.UWEC.EDU>
Subject: T-shirt?
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 13:29:03 -0600
Excuse me for being a newbie, but what is going on with this T-Shirt deal?

Thanks
Kevin
Message no. 14
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-shirt?
Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 10:43:54 +0200
>Excuse me for being a newbie, but what is going on with this T-Shirt deal?

This is the fast-becoming-annual T-shirt that this mailing list is bringing
out. The first was in the making about this time last year, and now we're
doing the second...

The shirt will have the names of everybody who has ordered a shirt on it (as
long as they pay :) So far, about 60 people have said they want one, but
because the prices haven't been fixed nobody jas paid yet. However, FL, who
will print the shirts, has been asking around and for the moment count on
paying US$19 in the USA, and around US$25 outside of it, per shirt.
If anyone wants to buy the shirt, email me PERSONALLY with you name, email
address, and the name you want to see printed on the shirt. Then, once the
prices have been set (you'll be notified of this via the list), you must pay
Rob Hayden and some time after you've done that you'll receive a t-shirt
with the names of both you and everybody else who paid on it.

The preliminary designs are on my home page:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/shirts.html, and on J.D. Falk's homepage & ftp
site (don't know the URL), though note that the design of the back has been
slightly modified between the time I drew those pictures and now.


Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
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Message no. 15
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirt?
Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 11:35:33 -0400
On Sun, 28 May 1995, Gurth wrote:

> The preliminary designs are on my home page:
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/shirts.html, and on J.D. Falk's homepage & ftp
> site (don't know the URL), though note that the design of the back has been
> slightly modified between the time I drew those pictures and now.

http://www.cais.com/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html
or ftp cais.com, in the directory /pub/jdfalk/shadowrun/

Gurth, do you have a picture online of the new back?

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Message no. 16
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: T-shirt?
Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 01:09:52 +0930
One question, to the FFL (Former Fearless Leader): when do we send you the
money? I mean, the design is just about finalised...

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Message no. 17
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-shirt?
Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 13:00:20 -0500
On Mon, 29 May 1995, Robert Watkins wrote:

> One question, to the FFL (Former Fearless Leader): when do we send you the
> money? I mean, the design is just about finalised...

As soon as I get the prices. The T-shirt shop never got back to me last
week so I'll call them Teusday (Mondays is a holiday)

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Message no. 18
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-shirt?
Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 18:44:31 +0200
> Gurth, do you have a picture online of the new back?

No, not yet. At the moment the design consists of two CorelDRAW 5.0 files
(.cdr extension), and I don't think many browsers support that format :)
What I'll do is save it as a .gif or .jpg, probably scale it down a bit, and
put it on my home page so everybody can get an idea of what it looks like at
the moment...

By the time you read this message, the current pictures should be up on my
page, but since FL wants to print the shirt in two colors (plus the
background color of the shirt), I had another idea which will allow us to
stick 50 or 60 names on the shirt, namely by putting "1995" _very_ large on
the shirt, behind the names, in a different color than the names.


Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
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Message no. 19
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: T-shirt?
Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 18:53:40 +0200
> By the time you read this message, the current pictures should be up on my
> page, but since FL wants to print the shirt in two colors (plus the
> background color of the shirt), I had another idea which will allow us to
> stick 50 or 60 names on the shirt, namely by putting "1995" _very_ large on
> the shirt, behind the names, in a different color than the names.

Excellent idea, I like it very much.

--
"Tonight, hell sends an Angel bearing gifts"

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Message no. 20
From: Cugel the Clever <cugel@**.NET>
Subject: T-shirt!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:49:10 +01.0
Yes, the first European T-shirt has arrived!!! (unless of course someone
is hiding having one already). It is cool! I'll be wearing it for at
least six weeks (or seven :).
Seems to me that my little bribe/gift/whatever to the beer-fund has
payed of :). From now on the rest of you can only hope that I'm not
the exception, and Robert is wasting (well not exactly wasting :)
your money now on beer and women :). After a week you should know the
truth...
BTW, I'm back from holiday (sorry Gurth, we stayed a bit longer than
we expected, I'll send your disk tomorrow) and just saw Judge Dredd.
The streets give a nice idea how a Shadowrun-street could look, very
interesting for ideas for adventures...

Martin Steffens (Cugel@**.net / bdi05626@***.rhij.nl)
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Message no. 21
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-shirt!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 01:01:06 -0400
Martin Steffens writes:

> BTW, I'm back from holiday (sorry Gurth, we stayed a bit longer than
> we expected, I'll send your disk tomorrow) and just saw Judge Dredd.
> The streets give a nice idea how a Shadowrun-street could look, very
> interesting for ideas for adventures...

I was very amused to see that the movie characters were using "frag" and
"drek" in their slang. >8-> Other than that, the movie was crap... The
plot was inane, and the shoot-em-up scenes were too stupid to be believable.

Two goofiest features, from a Shadowrun perspective:

1.) Pistol-sized guns with voice commands that hold magazines of at least
a half-dozen different types of ammo;

2.) A totally cybered character with an "Off" switch. >8->


Blessings,

_TNX._

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Message no. 22
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-shirt!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:11:01 +0200
>Yes, the first European T-shirt has arrived!!! (unless of course someone
>is hiding having one already). It is cool! I'll be wearing it for at
>least six weeks (or seven :).

It seems some have arrived sooner than others (shirts that is, not people,
right Martin? :)

>BTW, I'm back from holiday (sorry Gurth, we stayed a bit longer than
>we expected, I'll send your disk tomorrow)

I was starting to think whether you'd run off to Israel or something :)

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Message no. 23
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: T-shirt!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:56:54 +0200
> your money now on beer and women :). After a week you should know the
> truth...

I'm already begining to suspect the ugly truth :) Next time I'll
donate some money to the Hookerz&Beer fund too :)

> BTW, I'm back from holiday (sorry Gurth, we stayed a bit longer than
> we expected, I'll send your disk tomorrow) and just saw Judge Dredd.
> The streets give a nice idea how a Shadowrun-street could look, very
> interesting for ideas for adventures...


Yeah, Dred was fucking cool :) And BTW did you see the armor those
troopers had on. Man now I now what military grade armor looks like.

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Message no. 24
From: "Gary L. Kelley" <gkelley@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: T-shirt!
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 01:06:41 -0500
>>Yes, the first European T-shirt has arrived!!! (unless of course someone
>>is hiding having one already). It is cool! I'll be wearing it for at
>>least six weeks (or seven :).
What is this T-Shirt everybody keeps talking about, and if its cool can it
still be ordered(where,price,ect...)
KRK
Message no. 25
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@************.ORG>
Subject: Re: T-shirt!
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:55:44 -0400
On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Gary L. Kelley wrote:

> What is this T-Shirt everybody keeps talking about, and if its cool can it
> still be ordered(where,price,ect...)

That was our second annual T-Shirt, made avaliable to the readers
of ShadowRN, NERPS, ShadowTK, and Plot-D. The artwork was done by Gurth
<gurth@******.nl>, and the orders were taken care of by our fearless
leader, Robert A. Hayden <hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu>.
We'll probably do another one in eight to ten months.

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Message no. 26
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-shirt!
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:55:27 +0200
>> your money now on beer and women :). After a week you should know the
>> truth...
>
> I'm already begining to suspect the ugly truth :) Next time I'll
>donate some money to the Hookerz&Beer fund too :)

I think he got it sooner because FL put extra stamps onto the package with
the extra cash... And he keeps telling us he spent it all! :)

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Message no. 27
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: T-Shirt
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:57:38 +1000
I was just taking a look at the latest T-shirt designs printed, and on
the page Michael said:

"I personally think that the front of the shirt should have only a
pocket-sized logo of sorts (I'd be willing to cook one up in Photoshop,
with the authorization.) Something like 'ShadowRN: Shadowrun Discussion
List' and maybe 'shadowrn@********.itribe.net' under that.

Then, on the back, the large text (Francis font, of course): 'A Public
Service Announcement from ShadowRN' or something of that
nature... then the pictures."

Thing is, it's traditional to have all the artwork on the front, because
the back is needed for the list of names of listmembers who've ordered
the shirt.

(On my 96 T-Shirt [the only one I have, since my 97 one hasn't showed up
yet :( ] the list of names is two columns wide and *still* takes up the
whole shirt back.

I wouldn't want this way of doing things to be changed...

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 28
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:02:37 -0500
On 19 Mar 98 at 7:57, Lady Jestyr wrote:

> Thing is, it's traditional to have all the artwork on the front,
> because the back is needed for the list of names of listmembers
> who've ordered the shirt.

That's the way I would like to see it too...

> (On my 96 T-Shirt [the only one I have, since my 97 one hasn't
> showed up yet :( ] the list of names is two columns wide and *still*
> takes up the whole shirt back.

Well, the '97 shirt was half-assed. No logo on the front (picture
only), and nothing whatsoever on the back.

We can do much better than that. I love my '96 shirt. ('Cept I shrunk
it. 'DOH!)

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Message no. 29
From: Michael Harrison <spaced@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:12:40 -0500
Lady Jestyr wrote:
> Thing is, it's traditional to have all the artwork on the front, because
> the back is needed for the list of names of listmembers who've ordered
> the shirt.

Hey, as a newbie, I'm not gonna mess with tradition. Check out the new
update. I'm very open to suggestions and all of you vets can boss me
around. I'm just trying to supply the art.

> (On my 96 T-Shirt [the only one I have, since my 97 one hasn't showed up
> yet :( ] the list of names is two columns wide and *still* takes up the
> whole shirt back.

I'll take that into consideration... wow. This list has a buncha people
on it.

> I wouldn't want this way of doing things to be changed...

And I wouldn't want to be the one to even attempt to change it.

Anyway, check out the page
(http://www.mindspring.com/~spaced/srshirt/index.html) and please,
please email me with suggestions, critisism, and direct orders.

I'd also like to know what you all think of the art.

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Message no. 30
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:09:44 -0700
At 17:02 18/03/98 -0500, you wrote:

>> (On my 96 T-Shirt [the only one I have, since my 97 one hasn't
>> showed up yet :( ] the list of names is two columns wide and *still*
>> takes up the whole shirt back.
>
>Well, the '97 shirt was half-assed. No logo on the front (picture
>only), and nothing whatsoever on the back.

Look real close at the '97 t-shirt, and tell me the copyright date under
the image doesn't say "98" ;)

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Message no. 31
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:07:21 +0100
Lady Jestyr said on 7:57/19 Mar 98...

> Thing is, it's traditional to have all the artwork on the front, because
> the back is needed for the list of names of listmembers who've ordered
> the shirt.

Yep.

> (On my 96 T-Shirt [the only one I have, since my 97 one hasn't showed up
> yet :( ] the list of names is two columns wide and *still* takes up the
> whole shirt back.

That's also because the email addresses are on the shirt there, taking up
too much space. If only the names are there (like on the '94 and '95
shirts), there's room for more stuff. For example, the '95 shirt had an SR
logo and the various list admins at the top, then two columns of names
with "1995" in between, and some more stuff (like a copyright warning
which FASA wanted us to put in the shirt) at the bottom.

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Message no. 32
From: NaCl(aq) jed7466@******.isc.rit.edu
Subject: T-Shirt?
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:17:17 -0400
I seem to remember much discussion about the T-shirt. Has anything more
happend with it? What happened to our 'weekly updates' on progress?


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