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Message no. 1
From: Brett Ryan Brown <calvinoi@*******.SCRI.FSU.EDU>
Subject: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:26:19 18000
I have just received mail from FASA Mike on FASA's position on the
copyright stuff. I quote:

Date: Tue, May 9, 1995 1:44 PM EDT
From: FASA Mike
Subj: Copywrite....
To: Hobbisius

There is no problem with the shirts as long as you do a couple of things....

The SR logo must have a Circle C (copyright symbol) by it and the word
Shadowrun must have a Circle R (Registered trademark symbol) They can be
small. Plua someplace on the shirt and once again it can be written in
very small type it should say "Shadowrun is a registered trademark of
FASA Corp."

Plus you have to send me one. <VBG>.

Mike M.
FASA

There ya' go, guys! I hope it works out. Basically, we can now proceed
full speed ahead. One thing though.... I hope Mike doesn't think he's
going to get one for free. :-)

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Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:52:40 -0500
Ok, now that the shirt stuff is worked out (at least the copyright status
stuff) here's what _I'M_ going to do.

I'll check on prices of a shirt similiar to the one what was printed last
year (black shirt, white lettering, maybe with an extra colour). Because
of the fact that I got burned last year, I'm going to get the price based
on printing the MINIMUM number required (probably 12). Any extra money
will go to the "Robert Hayden/Killians Red Beer Fund", or will be used for
extra colours or something on the shirt.

Last year the price was $15, and I got burned. My initial thought is
that the price will be in the area of $18 (including shipping) with a
couple extra bucks for you people over the pond.

Now, I need to point out that because the shirt design has the names of
the people purchasing the shirt, there will be a delay in getting the
artwork designed and thus it may be several weeks before you were to get
the shirt after you send in your money.

-------

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW

NOTHING!

I'll get the prices, and then post ordering instructions sometime next
week.

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Message no. 3
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:56:07 -0400
>>>>> "Brett" == Brett Ryan Brown
<calvinoi@*******.SCRI.FSU.EDU> writes:

Brett> The SR logo must have a Circle C (copyright symbol) by it and the
Brett> word Shadowrun must have a Circle R (Registered trademark symbol)

Um, no.

You cannot copyright a logo, thus the copyright mark is meaningless.

You cannot use the trademarked logo without permission from the owner.

You should use whatever marks and disclaimers *they* tell you to use; using
the incorrect marks is just as illegal as using the trademark without
permission.

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Message no. 4
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:11:04 -0400
>>>>> "Rat" == Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox> writes:

Rat> You should use whatever marks and disclaimers *they* tell you to use;
Rat> using the incorrect marks is just as illegal as using the trademark
Rat> without permission.

Don't'cha sometimes wish you could cancel a mail message?

But seriously, I'm supprised that FASAMike said use a copyright symbol,
because you can't copyright a trademark.

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Message no. 5
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:45:39 -0400
Fearless Leader --

Go ahead and charge extra for beer. After putting up with us for
all this time, you deserve it.

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Message no. 6
From: Brett Ryan Brown <calvinoi@*******.SCRI.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:00:48 EDT
> But seriously, I'm supprised that FASAMike said use a copyright symbol,
> because you can't copyright a trademark.

I dunno. Even if they really got mad and tried to sue us (which is
hardly likely), then I still have that e-mail that he sent me. He said
that that was it, so I'm just assuming that that is _it_. :-)

I should note that I told him efforts will be made to prevent any profit
from being made by any participating party. Mostly for FASA's peace of
mind, but I'm pretty sure we're actually going to do that anyways.
Whatever. It's out of my hands now. ;-)

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Message no. 7
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 09:49:03 +0930
Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Brett" == Brett Ryan Brown
<calvinoi@*******.SCRI.FSU.EDU> writes:
>
> Brett> The SR logo must have a Circle C (copyright symbol) by it and the
> Brett> word Shadowrun must have a Circle R (Registered trademark symbol)
>
> You cannot copyright a logo, thus the copyright mark is meaningless.

You can't? *shrug* Must be some wierd American thing... here (I think...)
you can both trademark AND copyright a logo (well, the copyright is on the
logo as an artform, but hey).

> You cannot use the trademarked logo without permission from the owner.
>
> You should use whatever marks and disclaimers *they* tell you to use; using
> the incorrect marks is just as illegal as using the trademark without
> permission.

Ah... they did give us permission... that's what that was all about.

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Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 11:49:30 +0200
>>There is no problem with the shirts as long as you do a couple of things....

[snip]

Very good! That means I can start on the front of the shirt now.

>>Plus you have to send me one. <VBG>.
>
>One thing though.... I hope Mike doesn't think he's
>going to get one for free. :-)

If he wants one, he'll have to do the same thing everyone else will: send me
an email _privately_ telling me his name, what name he wants to have on the
shirt, and his email address. And then, when Fearless Leader's got the
prices, pay him :)


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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 11:49:34 +0200
>I'll check on prices of a shirt similiar to the one what was printed last
>year (black shirt, white lettering, maybe with an extra colour).

I'd like to see different colors from the ones on the shirt I'm wearing now.
Though a black shirt is nice, maybe we could do a different color this year?
Like, white with black text?

>Any extra money
>will go to the "Robert Hayden/Killians Red Beer Fund", or will be used for
>extra colours or something on the shirt.

Or send me one for free, as a reward for doing the artwork *duck* :)

>Last year the price was $15, and I got burned. My initial thought is
>that the price will be in the area of $18 (including shipping) with a
>couple extra bucks for you people over the pond.

Don't forget to ask the price for overseas shipping as well.


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Message no. 10
From: NIGHTFOX <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 14:16:13 -0700
>Fearless Leader --
>
> Go ahead and charge extra for beer. After putting up with us for
>all this time, you deserve it.

Nah - Glenlivet - the nearly official wedding gift for ShadowTK

When ever we had times to give away presents - there were always atleast
2 bottles of 15 year old Glenlivet.

I think there was even a fifty year old bottle once.


Besides - 12 year old Scotch gives much fonder memories than just beer, after
all - it had better be a fond memory if you just spent that much money on it :)

Nightfox
Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 11:03:57 +0200
I got this from FASAMike, who wanted a t-shirt but apparently doesn't want
to pay for it... Whadda y'all say?

>Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 18:23:05 -0400
>From: FASAMike@***.com
>To: gurth@******.nl
>Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
>X-UIDL: 800350140.078
>
>My name is Mike Mulvihill and although I do personally want one, we need one
>for the 'ole corp. files. Yes that's right this lawsuit thing is
>WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY out of control.
>
>If this is a problem please let me know.
>
>Mike M.
>FASA
>
>


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Message no. 12
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 15:52:19 +0200
> I got this from FASAMike, who wanted a t-shirt but apparently doesn't want
> to pay for it... Whadda y'all say?

I think that this is a bad-joke, someone sent you a fake-mail dude.

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Message no. 13
From: Brett Ryan Brown <calvinoi@*******.SCRI.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 13:41:11 EDT
> > I got this from FASAMike, who wanted a t-shirt but apparently doesn't want
> > to pay for it... Whadda y'all say?
>
> I think that this is a bad-joke, someone sent you a fake-mail dude.

I agree with Jani. I think that that message was bull. However, the sender
_did_ sign his name at the bottom exactly like the "real" Mike does. It's
entirely possible that it really was Mike. However, I DO NOT think that he
should get one for free. I'm not about to stand by and watch Hayden lose
money on this _again_.

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Message no. 14
From: Brett Ryan Brown <calvinoi@*******.SCRI.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 16:41:13 18000
> I agree with Jani. I think that that message was bull. However, the sender
> _did_ sign his name at the bottom exactly like the "real" Mike does. It's
> entirely possible that it really was Mike. However, I DO NOT think that he
> should get one for free. I'm not about to stand by and watch Hayden lose
> money on this _again_.

Stop the presses! :-)

I just got an e-mail from Mike on AOL, and it _was_ him that sent a
message to Gurth. I replied to him asking him to clarify things, and he
should also probably send a message to Gurth explaining things and
verifying the authenticity of his former message. Sorry if people got
confused about this. ;-)

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Message no. 15
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 18:14:13 -0400
On Sat, 13 May 1995, Gurth wrote:

> I got this from FASAMike, who wanted a t-shirt but apparently doesn't want
> to pay for it... Whadda y'all say?

I'm willing to pay an extra twenty cents (or whatever it'll end up
being) in order to make sure that FASA lets us have nice shirts. Of
course, if it were to drive the price up to $25 or something, that'd be
another story.
And be sure to offer 'em to FASA people at the same price we're
paying...tell them that normally it'd be more since they're not subscribed
to the list, and urge them to join. *grin*

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Message no. 16
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 12:02:58 +0200
>> I got this from FASAMike, who wanted a t-shirt but apparently doesn't want
>> to pay for it... Whadda y'all say?
>
> I think that this is a bad-joke, someone sent you a fake-mail dude.

It came from FASAMike@***.com, so I'd say it's genuine. He said he wanted a
shirt in the copyright message Brett Brown posted here, so I told him how to
get one, and that was what I got back.


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Message no. 17
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 12:03:06 +0200
> I'm willing to pay an extra twenty cents (or whatever it'll end up
>being) in order to make sure that FASA lets us have nice shirts. Of
>course, if it were to drive the price up to $25 or something, that'd be
>another story.

Making a quick calculation, if say 25 people actually want to pay for the
shirt, and FASA doesn't, it'd be a price increase of about a dollar for
everyone else, right? I'd say that's acceptable.


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Message no. 18
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 15:28:35 +0200
> >> I got this from FASAMike, who wanted a t-shirt but apparently doesn't want
> >> to pay for it... Whadda y'all say?
> >
> > I think that this is a bad-joke, someone sent you a fake-mail dude.
>
> It came from FASAMike@***.com, so I'd say it's genuine. He said he wanted a
> shirt in the copyright message Brett Brown posted here, so I told him how to
> get one, and that was what I got back.

I realise that this is no longer important, but I just wanted to
say that "you can fake the email address in the header" :)

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Message no. 19
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 12:31:21 BST
I don't see why whoever's getting the things printed up has to pay the
extra money for Mike to get one, even if he does get it free of charge.

The list members can take up the slack, can;t we.


Ya know, does getting a list.t-shirt for free, count as profitting from
a FASA trademark? Maybe we should ask him about that, and insist he pays
for it ;-)


BTW, they don't like the idea of getting put on a list, they stated it
at the front of the sourcebooks. They probably have to, like, work or
something, rather than sit at a deck all day, and talk to us schumcks.
;-)

Phil (Renegade)
Message no. 20
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 23:56:09 +1000
Gurth <gurth@******.NL> wrote:

> If he wants one, he'll have to do the same thing everyone else will: send me
> an email _privately_ telling me his name, what name he wants to have on the
> shirt, and his email address. And then, when Fearless Leader's got the
> prices, pay him :)

I get the impression that you've _since_ seen the advantages of donating
a T-shirt as a gesture of friendship? Good on you!

luke
Message no. 21
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 13:49:30 -0700
Hello all,

I think that if Mike Mulvihill wants us to pony up a free t-shirt for him
and FASA archives in exchange for their fairly benign cooperation we
should give it to them. They're not acting as paranoid as other game
companies could be. I even think we should put DLoH on the shirt and
send one to Tom, as thanks for the great work.

Who knows, perhaps we could coax them onto the list.

========================================================================
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Message no. 22
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 19:13:36 +0200
>I think that if Mike Mulvihill wants us to pony up a free t-shirt for him
>and FASA archives in exchange for their fairly benign cooperation we
>should give it to them. They're not acting as paranoid as other game
>companies could be. I even think we should put DLoH on the shirt and
>send one to Tom, as thanks for the great work.

Just as a question, where would you propose to put the ex-DLoH on the shirt?
He's got nothing whatsoever to do with this list (except for the obvious: he
was the main man behind the game we're discussing here :). I'm not saying
"no" (or "yes" for that matter), I would just like to know what
exactly you
intend to do here...


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Message no. 23
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 16:36:58 -0700
On Tue, 16 May 1995, Gurth wrote:

> Just as a question, where would you propose to put the ex-DLoH on the shirt?

Honorary listmembers: Mike Mulvihill and Tom Dowd

By the bye, am I on the roster? I would like to be ... ;-)

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Message no. 24
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 18:47:21 -0500
On Tue, 16 May 1995, Adam Getchell wrote:

> Honorary listmembers: Mike Mulvihill and Tom Dowd

And Nigel Findley (did I spell that right?)

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Message no. 25
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 19:52:41 -0400
On Tue, 16 May 1995, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Tue, 16 May 1995, Adam Getchell wrote:
>
> > Honorary listmembers: Mike Mulvihill and Tom Dowd
>
> And Nigel Findley (did I spell that right?)

Yup, that's spelled right -- I've also got a page set up
dedicating the next NERPS book (which will be out Real Soon Now[TM]) to
the memory of Nigel Findley.

("Real Soon Now[TM]" is an unofficial trademark generally accepted
by the 'net populace as belonging unofficially to Microsoft. Use here is
meant as a tribute to that company, and is in no way meant to infringe on
established trademarks or poke fun at all the people waiting anxiously for
the actual release of Windows '95.)

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Message no. 26
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 21:41:15 -0500
On Tue, 16 May 1995, J.D. Falk wrote:

> ("Real Soon Now[TM]" is an unofficial trademark generally accepted
> by the 'net populace as belonging unofficially to Microsoft. Use here is
> meant as a tribute to that company, and is in no way meant to infringe on
> established trademarks or poke fun at all the people waiting anxiously for
> the actual release of Windows '95.)

Who the hell's actually waiting?

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Message no. 27
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 13:56:01 +0200
>> Just as a question, where would you propose to put the ex-DLoH on the shirt?
>
> Honorary listmembers: Mike Mulvihill and Tom Dowd

They're not subscribed to this list, so they would have to be "Honorary (but
non-subscribed) listmembers: Mike & Tom" I guess :) How about: "FASA
Representatives:" Maybe not, it sounds so official... Anyway, I'm open to
suggestions.

>By the bye, am I on the roster? I would like to be ... ;-)

If you want a shirt, email me with your name, email address, and the name
you want to have printed on the shirt. Then, when Rob's got the prices, you
should pay him and once that's been received you'll appear on the shirt...


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Message no. 28
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-SHIRT COPYRIGHT STATUS
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 13:56:03 +0200
> ("Real Soon Now[TM]" is an unofficial trademark generally accepted
>by the 'net populace as belonging unofficially to Microsoft. Use here is
>meant as a tribute to that company, and is in no way meant to infringe on
>established trademarks or poke fun at all the people waiting anxiously for
>the actual release of Windows '95.)

Where do you want to go to today? is what I want to know :) (maybe somebody
out there gets this little joke o'mine...)


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