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Message no. 1
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: T-Shirt Ideas...
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:58:05 EST
Sorry guys, this entire thing is actually a letter I sent, and for some
reason, RN bounced it back at me, so I'm trying again...

-K


In a message dated 98-03-13 21:50:40 EST, you write:

> How about the "ShadowRN" that is on Dvixen's web site (construction or no)
> for
> something at the top, and a statement like..."RN, where -All- the Shadows
> come
> to get Fixed..." :)
>
> Maybe give it a Matrix-like network background on one side and/or an
astral-
> like "phantasm" on the other. Indicates SR's immense dicotomy of Tech and
> Magic.
>
> IF the image on one side is the same as it is on the other ... just
> "perceived" differently (like a Decker Icon vs. a Magician's Projecting
> Form)...
>
> 6" on a side is plenty of room for this, and simply color(s) could be
> retained. Damn, I haven't done this kind of stuff since I was in Purdue...
>
> But it has sparked some ideas...
>
> -K
>
>
Message no. 2
From: "`sNake" <chiphead@****.COM>
Subject: T-Shirt IdeaS
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:26:47 -0500
Hey instead of the whole stick figure thing, how about an actual
graphic? A friend of mine is an awesome drawer (used to draw SR stuff
all the time, never did anything with it though) and would probably do
it...
Just (anoTher) sugestion..

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Message no. 3
From: GRANITE granite@**.net
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:36:41 -0700
Ok Folks
Most people did not seem to actually read the message I sent out
previously
Today is the last day to get your IDEAS for the TShirt..
I will post the Official ballot tomorrow some time..
So get those ideas in right away..
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
==============================================Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The
Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
==============================================Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
See Them Driven Before You,
And To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
I Am The LAW! -JD
Jamais Arriere
Message no. 4
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 01:24:18 -0600
Ok Folks
Most people did not seem to actually read the message I sent out
previously
Today is the last day to get your IDEAS for the TShirt..
I will post the Official ballot tomorrow some time..
So get those ideas in right away..
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
==============================================
The HELL you say? We are supposed to vote on shirt execution based on
some text descriptions of something that might or might not get
illustrated?
Hell, I'm still messing around with image ideas (although my talks
with FASA art people yesterday mad me much less nervous about using fine
shading and halftones).
Although I'd adhere to the basic format I posted at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chamber/5072/rnbkmng1.jpg
I'd of course add list info (at the bottom) if it wasn't elsewhere on the
shirt, and maybe play with the technical side of things more than most
(you can halftone with patterns other than dots, for example, and I may
come up with fancier text layout).

Mongoose
Message no. 5
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:10:58 +1000
>Ok Folks
>Most people did not seem to actually read the message I sent out
>previously
>Today is the last day to get your IDEAS for the TShirt..
>I will post the Official ballot tomorrow some time..
>So get those ideas in right away..

Isn't that just a TEENY bit rapid, Granite? We could all do with a bit more
time to hash out ideas and try our hand at artwork. Please.

Lady Jestyr

Quantum physics is God's way of saying "Ha! Solve THAT!"
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Message no. 6
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:30:06 +1000
At 15:36 24/03/99 -0700 GRANITE wrote
>Ok Folks
>Most people did not seem to actually read the message I sent out
>previously
>Today is the last day to get your IDEAS for the TShirt..
>I will post the Official ballot tomorrow some time..
>So get those ideas in right away..
>--------------------------------GRANITE
> "Rock Steady"

With all due respect who died and made _you_ king.

There are some great ideas floating around that I feel
need to be expanded upon. This will take a little time.
If this isn't allowed to happen then please by all means
accept a sub-standard product.

On the artist front I have a friend that was a professional
artist for Disney. He's done some fantastic stuff, and I've
started to get him into SR. He did this hilarious piece
for the ConJure convention art competition that was a
Winnie the Pooh meets Warhammer 40K. He drew the
"Chaos Tiggers" complete with spears that had Winnie's
head on it. The skins of their wardrums were made of
"Piglet". Damn that was a funny piece of art. It looked
soooo real. You could certainly tell he worked for Disney.

Manx
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Message no. 7
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:56:19 -0700 (MST)
Lady Jestyr wrote:
/
/
/ >Ok Folks
/ >Most people did not seem to actually read the message I sent out
/ >previously
/ >Today is the last day to get your IDEAS for the TShirt..
/ >I will post the Official ballot tomorrow some time..
/ >So get those ideas in right away..
/
/ Isn't that just a TEENY bit rapid, Granite? We could all do with a bit more
/ time to hash out ideas and try our hand at artwork. Please.

I second that. I've got (IMHO) a great idea, but I'm still trying to
figure out how to make Paint Shop Pro 5.x put a drop shadow under text. I'll
need about a week to get it worked out.

BTW, if anyone out there knows how to do this, or the URL for a PSP FAQ,
please email me privately.

Also, could someone with a scanner email me the stylized Shadowrun
"S"? I promise to use it only for the t-shirt art.

-David B.
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Message no. 8
From: GRANITE granite@**.net
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:35:48 -0700
Hmm..now..where were these complaints at the deadlines last week??
If someone else wants to take over getting things organized..please
speak up..

Frankly..a lot of bashing of other folk's ideas has been going
on..not expounding upon..And not to mention there have been no
really new ideas presented in several days..lots of saying the same
thing about the same ideas by different people..this is not
productive..

In the end what good is deliberating to death an idea that only a few
are interested in going with? Let's find out what the whole is more
interested in..

It is my opinion that we should -narrow- the field a whole lot and
concentrate our efforts on ideas that are more accepted by the
greater number of folks..If we narrow the field and
concentrate our efforts on 3 or 4 ideas with artists creating artwork
for only those ideas then it will be a much more simple thing to
decide on the end product and we should end up with a better product
as well..
As a for instance..last year..someone decided on the theme of the 4
quotes..most of our efforts were concentrated on developing that
idea..

And let us not forget that our goal is to have the TShirts done and
sent to everyone in plenty of time for them to receive them by
GenCon99..That includes everyone who lives in distant lands..

So if someone else wants to coordinate all this Speak up..because
your voice has yet to be heard..I will gladly forward everything I
have so far..
And I am speaking to several local TShirt companies..But have not
heard back from them as of yet..So you will probably have to go into
negotiations on that end of things as well..

I know this may have come out sounding a bit grumpy..it truly is not
intended that way at all..Time is short even if it does not seem that
way..And each year we get better at getting things organized and
closer to making everyone happy with the end product..and when they
get it..I quite simply am striving toward that goal..
As as for who made me king..everyone that remained silent and didn't
say.."Hey..I want to take care of the vote.."
Nobody complained until it was the last day...

And now I am going to bed..Yell at me in my sleep..12 hour shifts and
mopping up flooded dayrooms takes it out of a person...

--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
==============================================Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The
Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
==============================================Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
See Them Driven Before You,
And To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
I Am The LAW! -JD
Jamais Arriere
Message no. 9
From: John Velasco decor.consulting@***.servicom.es
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:45:50 +0100
At 17:10 25/03/99 +1000, Lady Jestyr wrote:
>
>>Ok Folks
>>Most people did not seem to actually read the message I sent out
>>previously
>>Today is the last day to get your IDEAS for the TShirt..
>>I will post the Official ballot tomorrow some time..
>>So get those ideas in right away..
>
>Isn't that just a TEENY bit rapid, Granite? We could all do with a bit more
>time to hash out ideas and try our hand at artwork. Please.
>
>Lady Jestyr
>

I agree completely, why the rush?

Those of us that are still waiting for last years shirt are good at being
patient :)

Some more thoughts on who will be handling the distribution of the shirt
this year would also be appreciated.


BioNick


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If only you could see what I have seen with your eyes!
Message no. 10
From: Tamino tamino@**********.wow.aust.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:56:23 +1000
At 03:45 25/03/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>>Today is the last day to get your IDEAS for the TShirt..
>>>I will post the Official ballot tomorrow some time..
>>>So get those ideas in right away..
>>Isn't that just a TEENY bit rapid, Granite? We could all do with a bit more
>>time to hash out ideas and try our hand at artwork. Please.
>>
>>Lady Jestyr
>
>I agree completely, why the rush?
>
>Those of us that are still waiting for last years shirt are good at being
>patient :)
>
>Some more thoughts on who will be handling the distribution of the shirt
>this year would also be appreciated.
>
>BioNick

It's no use whinging, K is on hiatus from the list atm :/
even though I still haven't got my t-shirt yet either...it's almost
time to start asking for refunds.



-Tamino ...All too easy

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Message no. 11
From: Slipspeed atreloar@*********.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 01:24:40 +1000
> And let us not forget that our goal is to have the TShirts done and
> sent to everyone in plenty of time for them to receive them by
> GenCon99..That includes everyone who lives in distant lands..

Good thought... But perhaps not practical, as evidenced by the fact that we
still haven't got our '98 Shirts... So unless it's really GenCon '98, I'm
going to be out of date. :)

Slipspeed

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Message no. 12
From: John Velasco decor.consulting@***.servicom.es
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:23:37 +0100
>>I agree completely, why the rush?
>>
>>Those of us that are still waiting for last years shirt are good at being
>>patient :)
>>
>>Some more thoughts on who will be handling the distribution of the shirt
>>this year would also be appreciated.
>>
>>BioNick
>
> It's no use whinging, K is on hiatus from the list atm :/
> even though I still haven't got my t-shirt yet either...it's almost
> time to start asking for refunds.
>
>
>
>-Tamino ...All too easy

I know K's unsubed and I didn't intend this to sound like I was whining. In
fact I have mailed K on various occasions about my shirt and I still trust
that one day I'll get a pleasant surprise in the mail.

I realize that whoever volunteers for the job of distributing the shirts and
receiving the payments is probably in for a considerable headache, and
certainly deserves my thanks in advance, but I would like a little more
attention paid to those orders that are for overseas members that can't make
it to Gencon.

BioNick





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If only you could see what I have seen with your eyes!
Message no. 13
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:26:35 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Slipspeed hastily scribble thusly...
|
|> And let us not forget that our goal is to have the TShirts done and
|> sent to everyone in plenty of time for them to receive them by
|> GenCon99..That includes everyone who lives in distant lands..
|
|Good thought... But perhaps not practical, as evidenced by the fact that we
|still haven't got our '98 Shirts... So unless it's really GenCon '98, I'm
|going to be out of date. :)

There wasn't much of a problem getting the '97 T-Shirt out on time though,
was there? It doesn't take one whole year to print and send out a few
T-shirts... Does it?


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Message no. 14
From: Slipspeed atreloar@*********.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 01:39:47 +1000
>|Good thought... But perhaps not practical, as evidenced by the fact that
we
>|still haven't got our '98 Shirts... So unless it's really GenCon '98, I'm
>|going to be out of date. :)
>
>There wasn't much of a problem getting the '97 T-Shirt out on time though,
>was there? It doesn't take one whole year to print and send out a few
>T-shirts... Does it?


Err... I don't remember exactly how long the '97 ones took. But I have it
sitting here, so it definitely took less than 2 years. ;)

Slipspeed

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Message no. 15
From: Ken Hart satyr9@********.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:41:44 -0800
On Thursday, March 25, thus did Mongoose write:

[SNIP section about Granite's poll}
>Although I'd adhere to the basic format I posted at
>http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chamber/5072/rnbkmng1.jpg
>I'd of course add list info (at the bottom) if it wasn't elsewhere on the
>shirt, and maybe play with the technical side of things more than most
>(you can halftone with patterns other than dots, for example, and I may
>come up with fancier text layout).

Just for the record, Mongoose, I think your design is terrific. That's a shirt I'd be
proud to wear! If we could get the list address somewhere that was noticeable without
being distracting (say, the sleeve), it would be just about perfect.

Ken Hart
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Message no. 16
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:47:59 +1000
>Just for the record, Mongoose, I think your design is terrific.
That's a shirt I'd be proud to wear! If we could get the list address
somewhere that was noticeable without being distracting
(say, the sleeve), it would be just about perfect.
>
>Ken Hart
>Owner of BABY #731

I think I'll jump in and also say that Mongoose's design ROCKS!
It's that damn good that I reckon that his design should go
on the front of a black T-Shirt. The back could then have words
like "ShadowRN@*********.org...1999...the sixth world...twelve
years and counting." or
"ShadowRN@*********.org...Awakened since 1999"

Why waste a great design like this one by putting it on the back
of the shirt??? The back can have all the quote stuff. Put the
names and the "S" on the front IMO. Be proud, show it off !!

Just my 2Y worth (and in Australian dollars that ain't drek)

Manx
timburke@*******.com.au
#950 of 1000
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Message no. 17
From: Arno R. Lehmann arlehma@***.net
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 99 19:07:13 +0200
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:26:35 +0000 (GMT), Spike wrote:

>There wasn't much of a problem getting the '97 T-Shirt out on time though,
>was there? It doesn't take one whole year to print and send out a few
>T-shirts... Does it?

Errm... obviously, it does, I think... I got my '97 shirt about one
yaer ago, in spring or summer 98... but I think that was a single
problem... anyway, last year's shirt seems to be much mor difficult to
send... I don't blame K for that, since I do have some idea of how much
trouble he had with them, but I would like to get a shirt in the same
year I paid for it.

Arno
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Message no. 18
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:48:29 +0100
According to Slipspeed, at 1:39 on 26 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> Err... I don't remember exactly how long the '97 ones took. But I have it
> sitting here, so it definitely took less than 2 years. ;)

The '97 shirts arrived early in '98 (some time around February, I think)
when everybody had more or less given up on them ever seeing the light of
day -- out of the blue, many of us suddenly got a shirt in the mail. I
distinctly remember reading on the list about them having appeared,
thinking "In that case I won't have mine for ages yet," and half an hour
later finding the shirt in my snail-mail...

The '98 shirt went better for some (those who were at GenCon) and
apparently a lot worse for many people who weren't/

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Message no. 19
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:30:45 -0600
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:35:48 -0700 "GRANITE" <granite@**.net> writes:
<SNIP>
>In the end what good is deliberating to death an idea that only a few
>are interested in going with? Let's find out what the whole is more
>interested in..

Why not extend the deadline to say Monday (or better for me: Tuesday) to
give artists a chance to put a few sketches on the web?

The reason? "A picture is worth a thousand words". You can be moer
comfortable voting for something after you see what some of the possible
artists envision it.

For example, I suggested the 3/4 view of a tablet (a la Alchezelter's
[sp?]) with an inscribed SR "S" but that is TRICKY, perhaps it would be
better to use Photoshop or something to put the "S" on a geltab thingy
(Those plastic looking pills) or to switch to something else (Face it,
sometimes something sounds great until you actually see it in print, and
vice versa. :).

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Message no. 20
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:33:49 EST
In a message dated 3/25/1999 1:49:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
gurth@******.nl writes:

>
> The '98 shirt went better for some (those who were at GenCon) and
> apparently a lot worse for many people who weren't/

Actually, it went well for Genconners and those in North America (most, for
some reason Pete Wilson's kept missing shipments). However, as of today,
Pete's is gone, and I'm waiting for the replies from a few people now.

-K
Message no. 21
From: ArcLight arclight@**************.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:55:30 +0100
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org On Behalf Of dghost@****.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 8:31 PM
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: TShirt Ideas

> Why not extend the deadline to say Monday (or better for me: Tuesday) to
> give artists a chance to put a few sketches on the web?
>
> The reason? "A picture is worth a thousand words". You can be moer
> comfortable voting for something after you see what some of the possible
> artists envision it.

I'll take this to describe the motive my sister is doing right now:

I gave her the pic from the BABY-troll, and she did a somewhat
eloquent-looking guy with a glass in his left hand and a bottle
named milk in a pocket of his bathrobe...
Then I asked her to do a troll looking to the viewer, smiling
and seeming to ask whatever the slogan used will be.

Sorry if you have problems understanding this, my english is obviously
bad...

I will have them scanned to .jpg within the next three days,
and by then should have foud someone to host it on his hp.

ArcLight
[BABY #361]------------[ICQ 14322211]
All suspects are guilty, serious.
Otherwise, they wouldn't be suspects,
would they?
Message no. 22
From: ArcLight arclight@**************.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:55:24 +0100
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org On Behalf Of Gurth
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 7:48 PM
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: TShirt Ideas

> The '98 shirt went better for some (those who were at GenCon) and
> apparently a lot worse for many people who weren't/

Heh, I got mine in September, IIRC...

ArcLight
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Otherwise, they wouldn't be suspects,
would they?
Message no. 23
From: GRANITE granite@**.net
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:29:01 -0700
> Why not extend the deadline to say Monday (or better for me: Tuesday) to
> give artists a chance to put a few sketches on the web?

Alright..here is your extension..SAT 27 MAR is the new
deadlline..that means that I won't even start getting the ballot
together until some time SUN afternoon [local time]..
Including today that is a 3 day extension..

> I agree completely, why the rush?

Because there is a ot less time to get things done than folks think..
First there is this initial voting..
then there is developing the favored ideas..
Then voting again..
Probably more squabeling about what is going on the back..
then waiting to get money from everyone who wants the TShirt
THen more waiting..
Then getting the TShirts made..
Then packaged..
Then shipped..
Then more waiting for delivery..and for the folks that llive
overseas [subjectively] that can be a long time..

> Those of us that are still waiting for last years shirt are good at
> being patient :)

That doesn't make it right..now K don't take this the wrong way it is
not meant aas a bash..The only reason last years TShirt had problems
was poor planning..If instead of worrying about getting everyone ese
to go and figuree out the postage..K or whoever was handling shipping
has simply wrapped up a package with a TShirt in it and then gone
down to the post office and gotten shipping prices..a lot of pain and
agrivation would have been avoided

> Some more thoughts on who will be handling the distribution of the
> shirt this year would also be appreciated.

Well..as evidenced by my grumpy message..which again folks did not
seem to read all of..I am looking into what kind of deals I can get
ocally..so I guess this is my official vounteering..[slaps self on
forhead]..But..others should look into the prices in their local
areas to see what kind of deal we can get..
--------------------------------GRANITE
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==============================================Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The
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The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
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Message no. 24
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:32:42 EST
In a message dated 3/25/1999 4:53:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
arclight@**************.com writes:

> I gave her the pic from the BABY-troll, and she did a somewhat
> eloquent-looking guy with a glass in his left hand and a bottle
> named milk in a pocket of his bathrobe...
> Then I asked her to do a troll looking to the viewer, smiling
> and seeming to ask whatever the slogan used will be.
>
> Sorry if you have problems understanding this, my english is obviously
> bad...
>
> I will have them scanned to .jpg within the next three days,
> and by then should have foud someone to host it on his hp.
>

LOL!!!! I get a kick out of this. Yeah, we could be seeing something pretty
neat.

-K
Message no. 25
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:35:33 -0600
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:55:30 +0100 "ArcLight"
<arclight@**************.com> writes:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org On Behalf Of dghost@****.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 8:31 PM

>> Why not extend the deadline to say Monday (or better for me: Tuesday)
to
>> give artists a chance to put a few sketches on the web?
>>
>> The reason? "A picture is worth a thousand words". You can be moer
>> comfortable voting for something after you see what some of the
possible
>> artists envision it.

>I'll take this to describe the motive my sister is doing right now:
<SNIP>
>Sorry if you have problems understanding this, my english is obviously
>bad...
<SNIP>

Sounds cool! Actually, I'm wondering if you misunderstood me. :) I
wasn't asking for better descriptions (However, now I'm eager to see your
sister's drawing :), I just wanted to make sure there was time to get
sample sketches up. :)

So how about it, Granite? You want to take a vote on whether or not to
extend the deadline? ;)

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Message no. 26
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:56:24 EST
In a message dated 3/25/1999 5:34:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
granite@**.net writes:

> Because there is a ot less time to get things done than folks think..

Yes and No, but overall I agree with Granite here....

> First there is this initial voting..

Ah yes..

> then there is developing the favored ideas..

Much Needed...

> Then voting again..

Smirk...

> Probably more squabeling about what is going on the back..

How about something else, considerations as to what goes on the shirt first?
For instance, the cost were the people to make the shirts that made them last
year for us were to do so again, would drop the cost significantly (base cost
here...more later) were it merely a one sided shirt or so.

AND, just to make things more interesting...well, no, for another letter...

> then waiting to get money from everyone who wants the TShirt

Ewww...and depending on who/whom you are working in conjuction with, you will
want ALL the money before you place the shirt orders...

> THen more waiting..

sigh...I got the hint already....

> Then getting the TShirts made..

Nod

> Then packaged..

which isn't that bad, as long as you don't have to lick anything in
bulk...(ick)

> Then shipped..

Which is part of the problem, shipping *costs* are the big thing to consider.

> Then more waiting for delivery..and for the folks that llive
> overseas [subjectively] that can be a long time..

But not THAT much longer now...

-K
Message no. 27
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:59:17 EST
In a message dated 3/25/1999 5:34:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
granite@**.net writes:

>
> That doesn't make it right..now K don't take this the wrong way it is
> not meant aas a bash..The only reason last years TShirt had problems
> was poor planning..If instead of worrying about getting everyone ese
> to go and figuree out the postage..K or whoever was handling shipping
> has simply wrapped up a package with a TShirt in it and then gone
> down to the post office and gotten shipping prices..a lot of pain and
> agrivation would have been avoided

And I am most certainly NOT going to take it as a bash of any kind. And, in
truth, that is part of what is being hashed out on my own end this year as
well.

> > Some more thoughts on who will be handling the distribution of the
> > shirt this year would also be appreciated.
>
> Well..as evidenced by my grumpy message..which again folks did not
> seem to read all of..I am looking into what kind of deals I can get
> ocally..so I guess this is my official vounteering..[slaps self on
> forhead]..But..others should look into the prices in their local
> areas to see what kind of deal we can get..

As are we here, including possibly more control on *our* part as to things
like shirt color and print color of the various materials. Admittedly, the
people who did this for us last year want better planning, should everyone
choose to do use them as well. And, as I said, more information from my end
is forthcoming.

Yes, things have changed here for me rather recently...

-K
Message no. 28
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:57:42 +1000
>|> And let us not forget that our goal is to have the TShirts done and
>|> sent to everyone in plenty of time for them to receive them by
>|> GenCon99..That includes everyone who lives in distant lands..
>|
>|Good thought... But perhaps not practical, as evidenced by the fact that we
>|still haven't got our '98 Shirts... So unless it's really GenCon '98, I'm
>|going to be out of date. :)
>
>There wasn't much of a problem getting the '97 T-Shirt out on time though,
>was there? It doesn't take one whole year to print and send out a few
>T-shirts... Does it?

*ROFL*

The '97 shirt was the shirt Thomas Deeny aka Faux Pas, 'disappeared' with
for months. I haven't had a shirt on time since the '96 shirt.

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 29
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:31:24 +0100
According to Ereskanti@***.com, at 18:56 on 25 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> > Then packaged..
>
> which isn't that bad, as long as you don't have to lick anything in
> bulk...(ick)

Use self-sealing envelopes...

> > Then shipped..
>
> Which is part of the problem, shipping *costs* are the big thing to consider.

As usual, somebody would have to go to a post office and find out the cost
for shipping a T-shirt to various parts of the world. (Mike B.? :)

> > Then more waiting for delivery..and for the folks that llive
> > overseas [subjectively] that can be a long time..

Up to two months, if you use surface mail. Last year when I was in the US
I sent some stuff home; this was in mid-August. It finally arrived in mid-
October, about 1 1/2 months after I'd gotten home myself :/ This is a
factor we seriously need to keep in mind, IMHO.

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Message no. 30
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:31:24 +0100
According to Lady Jestyr, at 17:57 on 26 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> >There wasn't much of a problem getting the '97 T-Shirt out on time though,
> >was there? It doesn't take one whole year to print and send out a few
> >T-shirts... Does it?
>
> *ROFL*

I'll second that... Just as a "for example," last year we started talking
about the shirts around this time of year as well. When GenCon came around
(early August) they had just been finished; AFAIK the first people to get
the shirts, apart from K & co., were those who were at GenCon.

> The '97 shirt was the shirt Thomas Deeny aka Faux Pas, 'disappeared' with
> for months. I haven't had a shirt on time since the '96 shirt.

The shirts that came before '96 went okay, as I recall, but not perfectly
in time for the summer either (lucky for me that I wear a T-shirt in
almost any temperature :)

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Message no. 31
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:27:31 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Lady Jestyr hastily scribble thusly...
|*ROFL*
|
|The '97 shirt was the shirt Thomas Deeny aka Faux Pas, 'disappeared' with
|for months. I haven't had a shirt on time since the '96 shirt.

Ahhh, yea... I'd forgotten about that little balls-up.

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Message no. 32
From: GRANITE granite@**.net
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:39:25 -0700
> So how about it, Granite? You want to take a vote on whether or not to
> extend the deadline? ;)

A comedian ehh...Why I ought ta.... :P
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Things I Cannot Change,
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Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
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To Crush Your Enemies,
See Them Driven Before You,
And To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
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Message no. 33
From: Tim Kerby drekhead@***.net
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:43:20 -0500
On 26 Mar 99, at 11:31, Gurth wrote:

> > Which is part of the problem, shipping *costs* are the big thing to
> > consider.
>
> As usual, somebody would have to go to a post office and find out the cost
> for shipping a T-shirt to various parts of the world. (Mike B.? :)

It's not even that complicated. Weigh a sealed package on a scale.
Let everyone know that weight. Then, shirt buyers can go to
http://www.usps.gov or http://www.uncle-sam.com/postal_service.html
and get the price to mail it to their part of the world. Include that
amount with your shirt payment.

--


> > > Then more waiting for delivery..and for the folks that llive
> > > overseas [subjectively] that can be a long time..
>
> Up to two months, if you use surface mail. Last year when I was in the US
> I sent some stuff home; this was in mid-August. It finally arrived in mid-
> October, about 1 1/2 months after I'd gotten home myself :/ This is a
> factor we seriously need to keep in mind, IMHO.
>
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Message no. 34
From: NightRain nightrain@***.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:18:19 +1000
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org
> [mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.org]On Behalf Of Manx
> Sent: Friday, 26 March 1999 2:48
>
>
> Why waste a great design like this one by putting it on the back
> of the shirt??? The back can have all the quote stuff. Put the
> names and the "S" on the front IMO. Be proud, show it off !!
>
> Just my 2Y worth (and in Australian dollars that ain't drek)

I'll add in my Australian dollars to back you up though, cause I also think
it's excellent.

NightRain.

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Message no. 35
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:36:49 EST
In a message dated 3/26/1999 10:44:37 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
drekhead@***.net writes:

>
> It's not even that complicated. Weigh a sealed package on a scale.
> Let everyone know that weight. Then, shirt buyers can go to
> http://www.usps.gov or http://www.uncle-sam.com/postal_service.html
> and get the price to mail it to their part of the world. Include that
> amount with your shirt payment.

AND, while you are at it, please also take into account bank transaction fees
and other related costs. People who normally have no fees for "cashing a
check" or "placing a deposit" may suddenly find themselves hammered with
"International Exchange Fees". They do exist, and they exist for MORE than
just wire transfers.

-K (who has had a long talk with two different *major* banks in the last
couple of days)
Message no. 36
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:59:02 +0100
According to Ereskanti@***.com, at 21:36 on 26 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> AND, while you are at it, please also take into account bank transaction fees
> and other related costs. People who normally have no fees for "cashing a
> check" or "placing a deposit" may suddenly find themselves hammered
with
> "International Exchange Fees". They do exist, and they exist for MORE than
> just wire transfers.

This is one reason why it helps to place orders together with others in
your area -- you often have to pay the bank to get money to a foreign
country, and then there's a big chance the recipient also has to pay to
actually receive the money. Much better to split that up among many people
than have everyone pay it for themselves.

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Message no. 37
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 06:10:28 -0700
At 02:47 3/26/99 +1000, Manx wrote:

>Why waste a great design like this one by putting it on the back
>of the shirt??? The back can have all the quote stuff. Put the
>names and the "S" on the front IMO. Be proud, show it off !!

Eh? If you ask me, the back is where you want to put the major design. It's
much more visible there than on someones front, you can read somebodies
shirt without having to stare at the person, and it shows up better because
your back is generally flatter than your front - this being especially true
in most females.

Personally I'm in favour of a shirt nearly blank on the front, or has
something like:

"ShadowRN Mailing List Member '99
http://www.jackpoint.org";

over the breast.

And I'm AFL. My votes are weighed in Orichalum here.

-Adam
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Message no. 38
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:43:30 EST
In a message dated 3/27/1999 8:14:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
adamj@*********.html.com writes:

> And I'm AFL. My votes are weighed in Orichalum here.

Yeah, too bad there's better out there now ... ;-P

-K
Message no. 39
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 03:36:51 +1000
>I'll take this to describe the motive my sister is doing right now:
>
>I gave her the pic from the BABY-troll, and she did a somewhat
>eloquent-looking guy with a glass in his left hand and a bottle
>named milk in a pocket of his bathrobe...
>Then I asked her to do a troll looking to the viewer, smiling
>and seeming to ask whatever the slogan used will be.
>
> ArcLight

Not wanting to be one to bag out on your enthusiasm
here but so far this notion of a shirt that is based upon
some weird US advertising campaign for milk is about
as appealing to me as the USA hosting a World
Championship sporting event and not inviting any other
countries to compete. Perhaps if I put it that way then you
will begin to understand that ShadowRN and Shadowrun
_IS_ global and this should be taken into account for any
design.

Manx
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Message no. 40
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:39:11 -0600
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 03:36:51 +1000 Manx <timburke@*******.com.au> writes:
<SNIP>
>Not wanting to be one to bag out on your enthusiasm
>here but so far this notion of a shirt that is based upon
>some weird US advertising campaign for milk is about
>as appealing to me as the USA hosting a World
>Championship sporting event and not inviting any other
>countries to compete. Perhaps if I put it that way then you
>will begin to understand that ShadowRN and Shadowrun
>_IS_ global and this should be taken into account for any
>design.

*Shakes head* I understand that ... What I'm saying, however, is that to
everyone should go ahead and try their hand at these ideas because it is
possible that the picture will *gasp* be cool in and of itself.
Additionally, these ideas are based on threads from RN and IMO reflect
more the list than the advertising campaign(s). Troll with milk, if I
recall correctly, sprung up from a discussion of books, and then mutated
into a troll hitting a convience store because he was out of milk ... The
bunny slippers allowed him to move quietly, he threw the books as
shuriken, and the bathrobe proovided armor. It was a fun moment for the
list and I, for one, would like it one a shirt, advertising campaign or
no.

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Message no. 41
From: Quicksilver qwksilvr@*****.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:59:21 -0600
At 03:36 AM 3/27/99 +1000, you wrote:
>>I'll take this to describe the motive my sister is doing right now:
>>
>>I gave her the pic from the BABY-troll, and she did a somewhat
>>eloquent-looking guy with a glass in his left hand and a bottle
>>named milk in a pocket of his bathrobe...
>>Then I asked her to do a troll looking to the viewer, smiling
>>and seeming to ask whatever the slogan used will be.
>>
>> ArcLight
>
>Not wanting to be one to bag out on your enthusiasm
>here but so far this notion of a shirt that is based upon
>some weird US advertising campaign for milk is about
>as appealing to me as the USA hosting a World
>Championship sporting event and not inviting any other
>countries to compete. Perhaps if I put it that way then you
>will begin to understand that ShadowRN and Shadowrun
>_IS_ global and this should be taken into account for any
>design.

While I am not particularly fond of the ad campaign idea, I do find the
image amusing, with the idea that 'runners are people too' and may not look
thier 'business best' at all times.

Hg

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Message no. 42
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 02:20:35 +1000
> It was a fun moment for the list and I, for one,
>would like it one a shirt, advertising campaign or
>no.
>--
>D. Ghost

Your definition of a "fun" moment on the list obviously
differs from mine. This thread that your design is based
upon could never be as funny for me as you because
I was never in on the joke nor could I be because of
my geographical location.

I am fully aware that the troll and bunny slippers idea came
from a thread on the list. Please understand that this thread,
like your shirt idea, only has an appeal limited to those that
saw the ad for the milk and understood WTF the troll thread
was about. Following that thread was like walking into a room
of laughing friends and catching only the punchline of the joke.
When you ask what was funny they turn to you and say "You
had to be there."

I'm not against a humourous design for the shirt, just that
particular one. I desperately want a RN shirt but I wont pay
BIG money (most non US RNer's will end up paying at least
double to triple what you will) for a design that is not
recognisable as a Shadowrun or ShadowRN shirt.

The shirt design _should_ foster a community spirit that
unites _all_ RN'ers not just those that happened to follow
a bizarre and convoluted thread based on an in joke about
an american advert for milk. Sorry but this idea not only
alienates me as it says that I , and other non US residents,
can never be a valued member of this community.

What the hell is the matter with the Carp idea?
Something that is uniquely RN, humourous,
non geographical. What more could one want?

Manx
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Message no. 43
From: ArcLight arclight@**************.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:58:19 +0100
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org On Behalf Of Manx
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 6:37 PM
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: RE: TShirt Ideas

> Not wanting to be one to bag out on your enthusiasm
> here but so far this notion of a shirt that is based upon
> some weird US advertising campaign for milk is about
> as appealing to me as the USA hosting a World
> Championship sporting event and not inviting any other
> countries to compete. Perhaps if I put it that way then you
> will begin to understand that ShadowRN and Shadowrun
> _IS_ global and this should be taken into account for any
> design.

In fact, I am not american, too. But I think the shirt-motive
should be a) funny b)generate interest.
and after all, it is just a suggestion, so we should discuss
this after the first voting. Maybe this whole topic is
not relevant then...

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Message no. 44
From: Ed equine@***********.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:06:31 -0600
At 02:20 AM 3/28/99 +1000, you wrote:
>What the hell is the matter with the Carp idea?
>Something that is uniquely RN, humourous,
>non geographical. What more could one want?

Yeah...how about a troll with bunny slippers and bathrobe holding a carp?

:)

Even though I missed the troll wanting milk thread I still find the whole
thought of a shadowrunner wearing slippers and a robe pretty funny.

Ed

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Message no. 45
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:24:06 +0100
According to Adam J, at 6:10 on 27 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> Eh? If you ask me, the back is where you want to put the major design. It's
> much more visible there than on someones front, you can read somebodies
> shirt without having to stare at the person, and it shows up better because
> your back is generally flatter than your front - this being especially true
> in most females.

The only disadvantage being for those of us who like to wear a jacket over
the shirt unless it's _really_ hot outside :)

> Personally I'm in favour of a shirt nearly blank on the front, or has
> something like:
>
> "ShadowRN Mailing List Member '99
> http://www.jackpoint.org";
>
> over the breast.

I'd rather have something bigger on the front. Some decent art would be
best, together with at least the list names (with or without the lists'
addresses and/or URLs). I feel the names should go on the back, though --
how many tour shirts do you see with the tour dates at the front? The
names are, essentially, our tour dates.

> And I'm AFL. My votes are weighed in Orichalum here.

But AFAIK you're not the one doing the artwork and printing...

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Message no. 46
From: Jalong1@***.com Jalong1@***.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:57:03 EST
>Yeah...how about a troll with bunny slippers and bathrobe holding a carp?

Hmm, a troll in bunny slippers and bathrobe holding a carp like a club with a
look in his eyes like your gonna be on the receiving end of the carp. I like
this better than the milk idea. perhaps toss a few unconscious bodies in the
background and the simple quote of "Next!"

Jalong1
Message no. 47
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:30:12 -0600
> AND, while you are at it, please also take into account bank transaction
fees
> and other related costs. People who normally have no fees for "cashing
a
> check" or "placing a deposit" may suddenly find themselves hammered
with
> "International Exchange Fees". They do exist, and they exist for MORE
than
> just wire transfers.

This is one reason why it helps to place orders together with others in
your area -- you often have to pay the bank to get money to a foreign
country, and then there's a big chance the recipient also has to pay to
actually receive the money. Much better to split that up among many people
than have everyone pay it for themselves.

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++++++

Thanks Gurth- that's exactly what I mentioned, but I could shout the
name of god through a megaphone and people would think it was a breeze...
Those charges are (at least in my case) QUITE significant, and were
also not so low on for persons who in the past sent me money from
overseas.
Apparently, the best (cheapest) way to send moneys overseas is with an
international postal order (made to the receivers currency), but whoever
is collecting the money should be sure they know what the charges (if any)
for cashing said postal order will be. This according to somebody who
does this as part of a business. <http://www.sfbooks.com/ - and yes, they
sell Shadowrun gaming and fiction books, at least in the store.>

Mongoose
Message no. 48
From: ArcLight arclight@**************.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:59:25 +0100
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org On Behalf Of Jalong1@***.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 1999 8:57 PM
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: TShirt Ideas
>
>
> >Yeah...how about a troll with bunny slippers and bathrobe
> holding a carp?
>
> Hmm, a troll in bunny slippers and bathrobe holding a carp like
> a club with a
> look in his eyes like your gonna be on the receiving end of the
> carp. I like
> this better than the milk idea. perhaps toss a few unconscious
> bodies in the
> background and the simple quote of "Next!"

or : "What Woodchuck?"

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Message no. 49
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:53:54 +0200
According to Mongoose, at 16:30 on 27 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> Apparently, the best (cheapest) way to send moneys overseas is with an
> international postal order (made to the receivers currency), but whoever
> is collecting the money should be sure they know what the charges (if any)
> for cashing said postal order will be.

Anyone _using_ those things should also know the costs, and times,
involved. I think last year, here in the Netherlands, it cost the
equivalent of about US$20 to use an international postal order (regardless
of the amount of money you're sending abroad) and the thing could take up
to 6 weeks to arrive...

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Message no. 50
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:43:46 +1000
>> Apparently, the best (cheapest) way to send moneys overseas is with an
>> international postal order (made to the receivers currency), but whoever
>> is collecting the money should be sure they know what the charges (if any)
>> for cashing said postal order will be.
>
>Anyone _using_ those things should also know the costs, and times,
>involved. I think last year, here in the Netherlands, it cost the
>equivalent of about US$20 to use an international postal order (regardless
>of the amount of money you're sending abroad) and the thing could take up
>to 6 weeks to arrive...

Well all you Aussies will be pleased to know that an Australia
Post International Money Order is only AUS$8 regardless of
the amount. It only takes AUS$1.35 to mail via airmail and
it will arrive in the USA in about 7-10 days. I'm quite happy
to co-ordinate the Australian orders, specifically the Brisbane
ones as I have a secure city post box to have them mailed to,
which will give me the excuse to meet all you lazy "i don't
want to have a social event" RN'ers.

Manx
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Message no. 51
From: Bob Tockley arkham@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:55:21 +1000
>Well all you Aussies will be pleased to know that an Australia
>Post International Money Order is only AUS$8 regardless of
>the amount. It only takes AUS$1.35 to mail via airmail and
>it will arrive in the USA in about 7-10 days. I'm quite happy
>to co-ordinate the Australian orders, specifically the Brisbane
>ones as I have a secure city post box to have them mailed to,
>which will give me the excuse to meet all you lazy "i don't
>want to have a social event" RN'ers.

You've met some of us. Do you really think you can handle meeting any
more? It only goes downhill, trust me... =)

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Message no. 52
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:11:49 +1000
>Well all you Aussies will be pleased to know that an Australia
>Post International Money Order is only AUS$8 regardless of
>the amount. It only takes AUS$1.35 to mail via airmail and
>it will arrive in the USA in about 7-10 days. I'm quite happy
>to co-ordinate the Australian orders, specifically the Brisbane
>ones as I have a secure city post box to have them mailed to,
>which will give me the excuse to meet all you lazy "i don't
>want to have a social event" RN'ers.

Actually, *grin* - demarcation dispute time, I was going to offer to do it
myself, since I game variously with Tamino and Slipspeed, and Arkham and
all his crowd, and I work with you, Tim, so I figured I had the best chance
of distributing the Brisbane shirts, at least... :-)

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Message no. 53
From: Bob Tockley arkham@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:20:29 +1000
>Actually, *grin* - demarcation dispute time, I was going to offer to do it
>myself, since I game variously with Tamino and Slipspeed, and Arkham and
>all his crowd, and I work with you, Tim, so I figured I had the best chance
>of distributing the Brisbane shirts, at least... :-)

Why the hell do we all want list shirts anyway? I mean, c'mon... let's be
original, let's get a pendant or something done. \=)

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Message no. 54
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:27:24 +1000
At 22:11 28/03/99 +1000 Lady Jestyr wrote
>
>>Well all you Aussies will be pleased to know that an Australia
>>Post International Money Order is only AUS$8 regardless of
>>the amount. It only takes AUS$1.35 to mail via airmail and
>>it will arrive in the USA in about 7-10 days. I'm quite happy
>>to co-ordinate the Australian orders, specifically the Brisbane
>>ones as I have a secure city post box to have them mailed to,
>>which will give me the excuse to meet all you lazy "i don't
>>want to have a social event" RN'ers.
>
>Actually, *grin* - demarcation dispute time, I was going to offer to do it
>myself, since I game variously with Tamino and Slipspeed, and Arkham and
>all his crowd, and I work with you, Tim, so I figured I had the best chance
>of distributing the Brisbane shirts, at least... :-)
>
>Lady Jestyr
>

Hey whatever works is fine by me. I just want a shirt.

Manx
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Message no. 55
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:42:03 +0100 (BST)
And verily, did Bob Tockley hastily scribble thusly...
|>which will give me the excuse to meet all you lazy "i don't
|>want to have a social event" RN'ers.

LAZY????
So, where would be the place that EVERYONE in the world could go for a
social that would require the same amount of travel?

(I'll give you a clue, it get's a bit hot down there....)

|You've met some of us. Do you really think you can handle meeting any
|more? It only goes downhill, trust me... =)

Oh, I don't know.....
:)
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Message no. 56
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:55:17 EST
In a message dated 3/28/1999 6:50:59 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
timburke@*******.com.au writes:

>
> Well all you Aussies will be pleased to know that an Australia
> Post International Money Order is only AUS$8 regardless of
> the amount. It only takes AUS$1.35 to mail via airmail and
> it will arrive in the USA in about 7-10 days. I'm quite happy
> to co-ordinate the Australian orders, specifically the Brisbane
> ones as I have a secure city post box to have them mailed to,
> which will give me the excuse to meet all you lazy "i don't
> want to have a social event" RN'ers.

GO MANX GO!!! Get them people motivated!!!! ;-P

-K
Message no. 57
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:21:41 -0700 (MST)
Bob Tockley wrote:
/
/ Why the hell do we all want list shirts anyway? I mean, c'mon... let's be
/ original, let's get a pendant or something done. \=)
/
/ (>) ARKHAM

Or, better yet, the '99 Class Ring! ;)

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Message no. 58
From: Glenn Royer groyer@********.EDU
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:17:50 -0500
> I'd rather have something bigger on the front. Some decent art would be
> best, together with at least the list names (with or without the lists'
> addresses and/or URLs). I feel the names should go on the back, though --
> how many tour shirts do you see with the tour dates at the front? The
> names are, essentially, our tour dates.
>
> > And I'm AFL. My votes are weighed in Orichalum here.
>
> But AFAIK you're not the one doing the artwork and printing...
>
(and orichalcum's superlight anyway right?) <=- sidenote insert

I'm working out a design now, I had this idea of making it look like a
tour shirt, the "1999 SHADOWRN WORLD TOUR" or something with all the
people's names below it, and an illustration of a troll thrash metal
band on top.. isnt there a band that's usually mentioned in their
literature? maybe we can use that... they could have little SR logos
worked into them, like on their shirt or bass drum, or a big backdrop on
stage... well.. anyway.. i'm gonna draw something up and post it later
on today. bye!
-Glenn
Message no. 59
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: TShirt Ideas
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:28:29 -0500
> SNIP***

> *Shakes head* I understand that ... What I'm saying, however, is that to

> everyone should go ahead and try their hand at these ideas because it is
> possible that the picture will *gasp* be cool in and of itself.
> Additionally, these ideas are based on threads from RN and IMO reflect
> more the list than the advertising campaign(s). Troll with milk, if I
> recall correctly, sprung up from a discussion of books, and then mutated
> into a troll hitting a convience store because he was out of milk ... The
> bunny slippers allowed him to move quietly, he threw the books as
> shuriken, and the bathrobe proovided armor. It was a fun moment for the
> list and I, for one, would like it one a shirt, advertising campaign or
> no.

I agree. Just because someone is drawing a picture doesn't automatically mean
that it will be going on the shirt. I think everyone who has their panties in
a bundle about what someone is drawing needs to chill out. GRANITE has got a
ballot working, so just VOTE AGAINST THE IDEA!!!! CHOOSE SOMETHING ELSE!!!!
Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.

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