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Message no. 1
From: Waffelmeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 05:12:34 -0500
Iv'e worked up a crude representation of a list shirt idea I'd like to
do. Check it out: http://www.concentric.net/~evamarie/RNSHIRTB.GIF
(caps required). Its only 16K.

I think its the most "professional" idea so far- if thats a good thing.
I'd want something I'd be proad to wear, for the cash, myself. More
polished art doesn't cost more to print...

If I were to spend time doing the REAL drawing (not computer art), the
"knot" design would be an actual celtic knot (as t-dairs vest), maybe
filled with a "circuit" patern, and the gear more gear-like, with maybe
a tight knot-pattern fill. I like the gray color, but almost any will
do. I'd stick to one color, to save cash and make the drawing easier
(I'm trained, but not THAT experienced)

The back designs would be post-script art from a designer friend. I
like the alternate back design, with the center portion maybe being list
info, FASA / Shdowrun info, and maybe gridsec and respected elder (pre
Itribe only) adressesand a few web adresses (the rnFAQ and FASA, for
example). I'd need to be e-mailed all that info (which would likely
happen on list anyhow). I'm not sure it would all fit, but you can jam
a lot of text on a 12" wide design. I'd have to go to kinko's
(officestore) to print it that wide, but that's affordable to me.

If there are takers, it would be convinient for me to start work on art
before June 20, as I'll be on "working vactaion", with time to kill.
That would mean the art would be done for GenCon, a nice time to get a
final OK, hand it of to whomever handles the final screen printing, and
start the cash ball rolling.

BTW, I'm willing to do all this cause I can get school credit and
resume padding....



-Mongoose X
Message no. 2
From: "Jeremy \"Bolthy\" Zimmerman" <jeremy@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 16:53:20 -0700
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> From: Waffelmeisters <evamarie@**********.net>
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: T-shirt - proposed art link
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 1998 3:12 AM
>

> If there are takers, it would be convinient for me to start work
on art
> before June 20, as I'll be on "working vactaion", with time to kill.
> That would mean the art would be done for GenCon, a nice time to get a
> final OK, hand it of to whomever handles the final screen printing, and
> start the cash ball rolling.
>

I rather like the theory behind this shirt... and I'd be willing to pay
money for this... though I'm still rooting for the Shadowrunner's Serenity
Prayer. =)
Message no. 3
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 18:15:39 -0700
Waffelmeisters wrote:
>
> Iv'e worked up a crude representation of a list shirt idea I'd like to
> do. Check it out: http://www.concentric.net/~evamarie/RNSHIRTB.GIF
> (caps required). Its only 16K.

It's got my vote! I'd watch out for the alternate back (circular
pattern). It looks cool - I like it better than standard columns - but
I can see it getting a bit too dizzifying.


- Matt

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Message no. 4
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 18:12:30 -0600
At 05:12 23/05/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Iv'e worked up a crude representation of a list shirt idea I'd like to
>do. Check it out: http://www.concentric.net/~evamarie/RNSHIRTB.GIF
>(caps required). Its only 16K.

I like this one, but I don't like the "Pre Awakened Forum" slogan that
people have been passing around. It just sounds.. goofy.

Can we set a deadline for the end of this month for shirt designs to come
in, then a week to decide which ones we like? Is that to soon?

-Adam J
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Message no. 5
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 01:52:42 EDT
In a message dated 5/23/98 7:53:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM writes:

> Waffelmeisters wrote:
> >
> > Iv'e worked up a crude representation of a list shirt idea I'd like to
> > do. Check it out: http://www.concentric.net/~evamarie/RNSHIRTB.GIF
> > (caps required). Its only 16K.
>
> It's got my vote! I'd watch out for the alternate back (circular
> pattern). It looks cool - I like it better than standard columns - but
> I can see it getting a bit too dizzifying.
>
I have to give "the Wafflemeisters" some credit. I finally got to take a look
at it. Nice thing. Personally, I -LIKE- the alternate back (circular thing).

-K
Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 01:57:02 -0500
On Sun, 24 May 1998 01:52:42 EDT Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 5/23/98 7:53:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM writes:
>
>> Waffelmeisters wrote:
>> >
>> > Iv'e worked up a crude representation of a list shirt idea I'd like
to
>> > do. Check it out: http://www.concentric.net/~evamarie/RNSHIRTB.GIF
>> > (caps required). Its only 16K.

>> It's got my vote! I'd watch out for the alternate back (circular
>> pattern). It looks cool - I like it better than standard columns -
but
>> I can see it getting a bit too dizzifying.

>I have to give "the Wafflemeisters" some credit. I finally got to take
a look
>at it. Nice thing. Personally, I -LIKE- the alternate back (circular
thing).
>
>-K

I like the alternate back as well, and the front's concept is good but
needs some serious work (no offense) ... I think the shirt would look
better without the slugs also ... If I have time, I'll try and do this by
hand see if it turns out ok ... If so I'll scan it in and e-mail it to
someone ... (Was it Granite or K that volounteered space?)

all in all, good work Waffelmeisters :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:34:06 +0100
Adam J said on 18:12/23 May 98...

> Can we set a deadline for the end of this month for shirt designs to come
> in, then a week to decide which ones we like? Is that to soon?

I think we have to set a deadline, else it'll never be finished.

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Message no. 8
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:39:43 EDT
In a message dated 5/24/98 2:19:55 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> I like the alternate back as well, and the front's concept is good but
> needs some serious work (no offense) ... I think the shirt would look
> better without the slugs also ... If I have time, I'll try and do this by
> hand see if it turns out ok ... If so I'll scan it in and e-mail it to
> someone ... (Was it Granite or K that volounteered space?)
>
> all in all, good work Waffelmeisters :)
>
I had volunteered space for Granite's concepts, and I can do the same for
yours as well if you'd like. Hell, I could make a "T-Shirt Link Page" if
everyone sends me appropriate information.

-K
Message no. 9
From: Waffelmeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:54:08 -0500
> Re: T-shirt - proposed art link (Adam J , Sat 19:12)
>
> At 05:12 23/05/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Iv'e worked up a crude representation of a list shirt idea I'd like to
> >do. Check it out: http://www.concentric.net/~evamarie/RNSHIRTB.GIF
> >(caps required). Its only 16K.
>
> I like this one, but I don't like the "Pre Awakened Forum" slogan that
> people have been passing around. It just sounds.. goofy.

Well, I'd rather not write the copy, myself (not havingothershirtsor
knowing "tradition")- I just used that because it was a much
bandied-about proposal. I like the serenity payer, but it is longish
and has not the broad "market recognition" of the "4 laws" (which we
might need permission to use- easy enough to arrange, especailly if FASA
info is included).


>
> Can we set a deadline for the end of this month for shirt designs to come
> in, then a week to decide which ones we like? Is that to soon?

Not if we actually want to use GenCon as an orgizing focus forgetting
printing done. Even AFTER a concensus is reached, there's likely to be
some long work, like collecting names / adresses.

-Mongoose X
Message no. 10
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 20:05:19 -0600
At 14:54 24/05/98 -0500, you wrote:

>> Can we set a deadline for the end of this month for shirt designs to come
>> in, then a week to decide which ones we like? Is that to soon?
>
> Not if we actually want to use GenCon as an orgizing focus forgetting
>printing done. Even AFTER a concensus is reached, there's likely to be
>some long work, like collecting names / adresses.

ERr..
Not sure I understand you here. IIRC alot of people want the shirts to be
Finished for Gencon. Which means they need to be printed by late
June/early July so they can get mailed out.

Collecting who wants to order shirts shouldn't take more than 2 weeks. I
know it's taken much longer in the past, but it doesn't NEED to. The
longer we drag it out the worse the results will be, IMO.

-Adam
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Message no. 11
From: Waffelmeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:04:15 -0500
>
> Re: T-shirt - proposed art link (Alfredo B Alves , Sun 1:57)
>
> On Sun, 24 May 1998 01:52:42 EDT Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM> writes:
> >In a message dated 5/23/98 7:53:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> >mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM writes:
> >
> >> Waffelmeisters wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Iv'e worked up a crude representation of a list shirt idea I'd like
> to
> >> > do. Check it out: http://www.concentric.net/~evamarie/RNSHIRTB.GIF
> >> > (caps required). Its only 16K.

> I like the alternate back as well, and the front's concept is good but
> needs some serious work (no offense) ... I think the shirt would look
> better without the slugs also ... If I have time, I'll try and do this by
> hand see if it turns out ok ... If so I'll scan it in and e-mail it to
> someone ... (Was it Granite or K that volounteered space?)
> D.Ghost
> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)


Yes, as said, it is a CRUDE representation. I whipped it up in 1 hour
in paintshop pro, which doesn't even have bezier curves. A decent
version would have to be (mostly) hand drawn.
I'm leaning towards an 18 sprocket gear, with a celtic knot work
border covering its circumferance and teath. The interirs would have a
3-lobed Celtic knotwork design like on T-dairs shirt, posibly
integrating a scrollwork design in the background.
This would be drawn WITHOUT slugs, which, if used, would be added as
seperate elements. They were there mostly to be true to t-dairs shirt,
but if some of the motifs I have in mindplay out, they won't be needed
to convey the idea of mystic-cyber intgration.
I like K's idea of a common linksite. I should have put more info with
the image, but my HTML editor is busted, so I just put some text in the
image.
-Mongoose X
Message no. 12
From: Waffelmeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:04:32 -0500
> Re: T-shirt - proposed art link (Adam J , Sun 21:05)
>
> At 14:54 24/05/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >> Can we set a deadline for the end of this month for shirt designs to come
> >> in, then a week to decide which ones we like? Is that to soon?
> >
> > Not if we actually want to use GenCon as an orgizing focus forgetting
> >printing done. Even AFTER a concensus is reached, there's likely to be
> >some long work, like collecting names / adresses.
>
> ERr..
> Not sure I understand you here. IIRC alot of people want the shirts to be
> Finished for Gencon. Which means they need to be printed by late
> June/early July so they can get mailed out.

URG, That would be faster than I planned on working. I COULD work up
finished art by June 15th, I guess, and handing it to a printer is easy
(lots in town here). Guess I'll get cracking (I usually get a tatoo for
my birthday, and have missed a fewyears for lack of designs, so heres a
chance to get one, if I don't usethe art otherwise...)

>
> Collecting who wants to order shirts shouldn't take more than 2 weeks. I
> know it's taken much longer in the past, but it doesn't NEED to. The
> longer we drag it out the worse the results will be, IMO.
>
> -Adam

I was just judging by past results. I know sometimes getting cash to
the printers and shipping done has been very slow, but you are right, it
need not be.
-Mongoose X
Message no. 13
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirt - proposed art link
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 02:13:25 -0500
>>
>> Iv'e worked up a crude representation of a list shirt idea I'd like
to
>> do. Check it out: http://www.concentric.net/~evamarie/RNSHIRTB.GIF
>> (caps required). Its only 16K.
>
>It's got my vote! I'd watch out for the alternate back (circular
>pattern). It looks cool - I like it better than standard columns - but
>I can see it getting a bit too dizzifying.
>


I'll second that one, alternate back.

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...

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