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From:	J D Falk <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 01:47:58 -40962758

Message no. 1 A friend of mine on the Pink Floyd mailing list tells me that
they're discussing the idea of creating t-shirts for listmembers, and I
thought that this might be a good list to do that for as well.
Any thougts? It would, of course, have to be orchestrated by some
single person or persons who live near each other, and who has the time to
deal with orders and mail (I don't.)
One idea for a slogan on the pocket...

WE JACKED IN
BEFORE THERE WERE JACKS
Shadowrun Mailing List

============================================<jdfalk@***.gwu.edu>===========
|| "Welcome to my nightmare ||
|| Its the one in which I always press the button." ||
|| -Roy Harper ||

From:	Ioannis Fikouras <j07c@***.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:55:11 +0100

Message no. 2 "The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data is Life."
-- The Player's Litany

"The streets are tough, yes, but they're only made of ferro-crete. The
THINGS walking on them are armor-plated..."
-- Girder, the Support Specialist

"Fear the Information Revolution, for it has reached the hands of the strange."

"Hee hee. In the sprawl even your partner never hears your scream. He is
too busy resisting damage..."

"Nuke them 'til they glow and then shoot them in the dark"

"Come in Peace, or leave in Pieces."
-- Daniel "Howling Coyote"

How about these ShadowRun quotes :)
--

Strong am I with the Force... but not that strong!
Twilight is upon me and soon night must fall.
That is the way of things ... the way of the Force.

GCS -d+@ -p+(---) c+++ l+ u+++ e@ m++(-) s/+ !n(-) h(*) f+ g! w+ t+ r++ y?

From:	Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 08:02:16 -0600

Message no. 3 SOunds like an interesting idea. How would that work exactly?

-------------
Steve Hilberg <shilberg@********.uni.uiuc.edu>
aka Jarred Wellsley <Necromancer>
aka Phaeros Lostchilde <Archlich of the Dark Order, High Necromancer
of Zalanthas>
Play Armageddon <studsys.mscs.mu.edu 4444>!

From:	The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:30:08 +0000

Message no. 4 In reply to Necromancer .....

> SOunds like an interesting idea. How would that work exactly?

Before everyone get's excited you do know that if you're really mad enough
that you can order SHADOWRUN T shirts from FASA.

Phill.
--
Phillip Steele - Email address P.C.Steele@***.ac.uk | Fighting against
Department Of Electrical & Electronic Engineering | Political Correctness !
University Of Newcastle Upon Tyne, England |
Land of the mad Geordies | The Powerhouse

From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:57:57 -0600

Message no. 5 On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, The Powerhouse wrote:

> Before everyone get's excited you do know that if you're really mad enough
> that you can order SHADOWRUN T shirts from FASA.

I think the idea was to get a shadowRN tee shirt, not a ShadowRun one.
(note the differences)

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From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 11:02:09 -0600

Message no. 6 The surveyors of the information superhighway.
-- ShadowRN mailing list.

:-)

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From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 11:04:21 -0600

Message no. 7 On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Necromancer wrote:

> SOunds like an interesting idea. How would that work exactly?

1) we agree on a design
2) somebody prices them
3) everyone sends $$$ to that person
4) that person gets the shirts printed
5) that person mails them to all of the people
6) the buyers wear their shirts, drawing odd stares from the normals

7) Fearless leader is given a huge cut of profits simply cuz he's so cute.

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From:	Mark Imbriaco <mark@**.ODU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 12:34:52 -0500

Message no. 8 On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Necromancer wrote:
>
> 7) Fearless leader is given a huge cut of profits simply cuz he's so cute.

Well, it almost sounded believable till I hit this line, then
I almost fell out of my chair as a wild fit of laughter hit me. :)

Mark

From:	J D Falk <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:47:39 -40962758

Message no. 9 Great quotes, dude!
Check these also (currently embedded in my taglines)...

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
: "Information's pretty thin stuff : J.D. Falk
: unless mixed with experience." : jdfalk@****.com
: -Clarance Day :
````````````````````````````````````
==============================================<jdfalk@****.com>============
|| "Welcome to my nightmare ||
|| Its the one in which I always press the button." ||
|| -Roy Harper ||
==========================================================================

....... .... ...... .... . . .
: : : : : : : : : "Carpe per diem:
: : : :.... :....; : :..; seize the check."
: : : : : : : : : -Robin Williams
:..; . :...; . : : : :.... : :
$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ jdfalk@***.gwu.edu $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

From:	Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 08:28:29 -0600

Message no. 10 Yeah I know. But I think a ShadowRN T-shirt would be cooler.

-------------
Steve Hilberg <shilberg@********.uni.uiuc.edu>
aka Jarred Wellsley <Necromancer>
aka Phaeros Lostchilde <Archlich of the Dark Order, High Necromancer
of Zalanthas>
Play Armageddon <studsys.mscs.mu.edu 4444>!

From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 15:34:02 -0600

Message no. 11 On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Mark Imbriaco wrote:

> > 7) Fearless leader is given a huge cut of profits simply cuz he's so cute.
>
> Well, it almost sounded believable till I hit this line, then
> I almost fell out of my chair as a wild fit of laughter hit me. :)

*grin*
Glad I made your day :-)

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From:	Stefan Hahn <HAHN@***.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:46:53 -0800

Message no. 12 >1) we agree on a design
>2) somebody prices them
>3) everyone sends $$$ to that person
>4) that person gets the shirts printed
>5) that person mails them to all of the people
>6) the buyers wear their shirts, drawing odd stares from the normals
>
>7) Fearless leader is given a huge cut of profits simply cuz he's so cute.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and are you out of your fraggin' mind.

_--__
>o) <=== Grendel Smiley
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From:	"I. M. Legion" <legion@***.SC.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 15:59:56 -0700

Message no. 13 What's with all the grinnin', Rob? Did we have our gummi-munchkin fix today?

Legion
% grep life
grep: life not found

From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 18:55:25 -0600

Message no. 14 On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, I. M. Legion wrote:

> What's with all the grinnin', Rob? Did we have our gummi-munchkin fix today?

No, nobody has given the appropriate sacrifice.

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From:	"Silly puppy...." <MHILLIARD@******.BITNET>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Thu, 10 Feb 1994 21:18:51 -0500

Message no. 15 And Mark Imbriaco will be mysteriously charged double for his shirt...

=)
Phelan

From:	J D Falk <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Fri, 11 Feb 1994 00:31:00 -40962758

Message no. 16 Phillip Steele spake from the Land of the mad Geordies...
>
> In reply to Necromancer .....
>
> > SOunds like an interesting idea. How would that work exactly?
>
> Before everyone get's excited you do know that if you're really mad enough
> that you can order SHADOWRUN T shirts from FASA.
>
But what's the fun in that, Phil? Sure, they're official
Shadowrun shirts and all, but the members on this list are an elite group
who not only play Shadowrun, but are truly a _part_ of what is to come!
In other, simpler words, the official shirt would be cool but ours
would be cooler because its ours.

"Oh Lord, help my words to be gracious and tender today,
for tomorrow I may have to eat them." -Paul Zindel
/--------------------------------\
| J.D. Falk -- jdfalk@****.com |
\--------------------------------/

From:	The Reverend <mdb0213@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-shirts
Date:	Sun, 13 Feb 1994 02:17:20 -0600

Message no. 17 T shirt ideas:
]The surveyors of the information superhighway.
] -- ShadowRN mailing list.

I prefer mine. :) (no, not the first one.)
---
The Reverend "They called me the Reverend when I entered the church unstained"
Fear the Information Revolution...for it has reached the hands of the strange.
PGP 2.2 Public Key Block available upon request

From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 01:07:58 -0500

Message no. 18 Well, since nobody else has stepped forward to take control of the
T-Shirt idea I proposed a week or so ago, I'll do it.
I've done a little research, and found a company that'll sell
white, 100% cotton t-shirts, minimum 36, for less than $8.00 (American
dollars). Adding in the make-ready fee (to transfer our artwork into
whatever format they need) and shipping costs, the shirts will come out to
be between $10 and $15. Of course, it all depends on the number of people
interested.
So, lets have some design ideas. If you have artwork, UUENCODE it
and send it to me here at <jdfalk@****.com> in any standard format (GIF,
JPEG/JFIF, TIFF, Targa if bitmapped, PICT or WMF if vector.) I'll then be
able to use my account as a "clearinghouse" for other people who want to
take a look at the artwork before it gets voted on.
Of course, the main thing is the slogan, and what we'll call
ourselves. The Shadowrun Mailing List at Hearn isn't quite enough, IMHO.
We need a cooler name.
Any ideas? =^>

/-----------------\ "We all wanna be big stars,
| J.D. Falk | But we don't know why
| jdfalk@****.com | And we don't know how."
\-----------------/ -Counting Crows

From:	Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 08:28:50 -0600

Message no. 19 Kewler name...hmmmm...

"The Shadowrun Mailing List at Hearn -- The Steamrollers of the Information
Superhighway."

"Nets, Nets, Nets, how dull my life would be without em."

"All Hail Fearless Leader!"

"The Shadowrun Mailing List at Hearn -- Never, ever, ever cut a deal with the
Fearless Leader."

How about a list on the back of everyone's email addresses who actively
participates?

From:	Ioannis Fikouras <j07c@***.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 16:36:53 +0100

Message no. 20 > How about a list on the back of everyone's email addresses who actively
> participates?

Well, this is a MEGA kewl idea, Yeah ....
Maybe even some signatures, or even individual T-Shirts for
each guy with his signature on the back after this list of kewl d00z

--

Strong am I with the Force... but not that strong!
Twilight is upon me and soon night must fall.
That is the way of things ... the way of the Force.

GCS -d+@ -p+(---) c+++ l+ u+++ e+ m++(-) s+/ !n(---) h*(+) f+ !g w+ t+ r++ y?

From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 10:07:55 -0600

Message no. 21 On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> "The Shadowrun Mailing List at Hearn -- The Steamrollers of the Information
> Superhighway."

It was 'surveyors', which come BEFORE steamrollers....

> "All Hail Fearless Leader!"

Hmmm, there's something to be said for that....

> "The Shadowrun Mailing List at Hearn -- Never, ever, ever cut a deal with the
> Fearless Leader."

Doesn't have the right rhythm to it, but it is good advice.

> How about a list on the back of everyone's email addresses who actively
> participates?

Define active?

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From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:42:37 -0600

Message no. 22 Slogan:

Before ShadowRN, the net was as interesting as a television set, tuned to
a dead channel.

----

Well, maybe not....

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From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 14:36:10 -0500

Message no. 23 Everything I say in this message is my own opinion -- we'll vote
democratically later. I'm saving all of these messages.

On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> "The Shadowrun Mailing List at Hearn -- The Steamrollers of the Information
> Superhighway."
>
> "Nets, Nets, Nets, how dull my life would be without em."

Both good, if long.

> "All Hail Fearless Leader!"
>
> "The Shadowrun Mailing List at Hearn -- Never, ever, ever cut a deal with the
> Fearless Leader."

He, he -- the first should probably be included in the artwork if
possible, since its very much an inside joke here.

> How about a list on the back of everyone's email addresses who actively
> participates?

The problem with that is that "active participants" is a pretty
neubulous term. Also, we'll get some newbie on here in a few months who
notices me saying "we've still got ten shirts left!" and wants one, and
feels left out because they aren't listed.
I pay for this 'net connetion, BTW, so I plan to be here for a
good, long time -- maybe longer than our Fearless Leader can keep his
account at MSUS!
We should definately have "SHADOWRN@*****" and
"SHADOWRN@*****.nic.SURFnet.nl" listed someplace, though. (For those who
don't understand, the longer address is for Internet E-Mail and I think
the short one is BITNET.)

/-----------------\ "I'm worse at what I do best
| J.D. Falk | And for this gift I feel blessed
| jdfalk@****.com | Our little group has always been
\-----------------/ And always will until the end."
-Nirvana
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From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 14:47:26 -0500

Message no. 24 On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Ioannis Fikouras wrote:

> > How about a list on the back of everyone's email addresses who actively
> > participates?
>
> Well, this is a MEGA kewl idea, Yeah ....
> Maybe even some signatures, or even individual T-Shirts for
> each guy with his signature on the back after this list of kewl d00z

How, old on, folks -- the place I'm currently planning to get the
shirts through charges $20 to make the pictures ready, minimum 36 shirts
per picture. So, customized shirts will have to be done someplace else,
at extra cost.
(I thought of that, too, BTW -- I wish we could do it!)

-The T-Shirt Meister <jdfalk@****.com>

From:	Joseph Cotton <Joseph.Cotton@*******.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 14:57:50 EST

Message no. 25 On Thu 17 Feb 1994, Ioannis Fikouras wrote:

> Well, this is a MEGA kewl idea, Yeah ....
> Maybe even some signatures, or even individual T-Shirts for
> each guy with his signature on the back after this list of kewl d00z
>

If this was a serious suggestion, there's a serious problem with it.

I am assuming that J. D. Falk was talking to a screenprinter about doing
up those T-shirts. Most screenprinters charge about US$15.00 to produce
a screen. Thus, the more shirts you sell with that one screen, the cheaper
the shirts are to produce. So to put individual .sigs on individual shirts
means everyone pays for that custom screen, in addition to the screen(s)
common to all shirts (not to mention the cost of the shirt itself).

Of course, people could just put their .sigs on their shirts themselves.

Joe Cotton
Joseph.Cotton@*******.oit.unc.edu

Ob"I-know-what-I'm-talking-about"Statement: I helped my wife put together
a set of custom t-shirts/sweatshirts for our aquarium club one year.

BTW: That "per-screen" cost also means _per-color_, as each color must
be done on a seperate screen.

From:	A cohort's CoHort <cohort@******.CONNECTED.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:38:51 -0800

Message no. 26 On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:
> How about a list on the back of everyone's email addresses who actively
> participates?
>
Problem is, if you get someone like me who keeps shirts for a long time, the
addresses quickly become out of date... An I would suggest some of the
regulars, but that would be at the expense of those of us who haven't
been on very long, etc...
A better suggestion is to put each person's favorite and longest running
character on the back.
So, I would have a big "CoHort" on the back of my shirt... or even
better, put a shadowrn/shadowtk symbol on the back, and the individual
character name on the front, left side, under a small symbol. _I_ would
pay for a shirt like this.

CoHort@******.connected.com | Overheard at a bridge table:
@******* Genesis | "So, do you know the value of notrump?"
(jericho.connected.com 4040) | "Yeah, it should be just a bit larger than
(Stellar down due to TD :( ) | your shoulders."

From:	Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 15:51:24 -0600

Message no. 27 Scrap all the quotes that deal with the "Fearless Leader". That is not
what this list is about (At least I hope it's not.) By using these, you
are giving one person all of the power (Granted he _can_ remove people
from the list), and its all of the list users that make up the List. Not
just one person.
How's that for a little philosophy. :)

From:	Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 16:32:11 -0600

Message no. 28 Okay, how about just everybody on the list? How many ARE there, anyways? =-)

I still think 'Steamrollers' is better than 'Surveyors.'

How about "...Runners of the Information Superhighway." That ties in with the
decking aspect of SR.

From:	"Dylan Northrup (PHY)" <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 17:56:40 -0500

Message no. 29 On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, A cohort's CoHort wrote:

> A better suggestion is to put each person's favorite and longest running
> character on the back.

I agree. I would rather have Doc X listed than my name. It is more in
keeping with the spirit of the newsgroup. I bellieve the list would not
be complete without such names as Doctor Doom, Fearless Leader, Da
Minotaur, et al. These names I recognise. I wouldn't know who the hell
Steve Mancini was unless I associated him with his pseudonym.

As far as who is included on the list, that is a sticky situation
indeed. Should we be elitist (If you haven't been on for at least three
monthes your not allowed on!)? Or should we allow anyone on (Scene
shifts to a listmember opening his package and surveying the names on the
back. "Darkchilde? Who the hell is Darkchilde?"). This is a family of
sorts and we want to keep this as something that symbolises the group.
However we have never been one to exclude people from the group.

It would seem an adequate and equitable solution to the problem is
difficult if not impossible to find.

*****************************************************************************
* Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.cas.usf.edu> * I'm not a computer genius, *
* a.k.a. Doc_X on irc and SHADOWRN * I just play one in the lab *
*****************************************************************************

From:	A cohort's CoHort <cohort@******.CONNECTED.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 17:37:08 -0800

Message no. 30 On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:
> How about "...Runners of the Information Superhighway." That ties in with
the
> decking aspect of SR.
>
Yeah, but I'm a rigger almost exclusively.

CoHort@******.connected.com | Overheard at a bridge table:
@******* Genesis | "So, do you know the value of notrump?"
(jericho.connected.com 4040) | "Yeah, it should be just a bit larger than
(Stellar down due to TD :( ) | your shoulders."

From:	Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 21:59:12 -0600

Message no. 31 Not nessecarily customized. We just get The Fearless Leader to give us all the
email addresses of everyone on ShadowRN, TK, and Plot-D.

From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:44:08 -0500

Message no. 32 On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, A cohort's CoHort wrote:

> A better suggestion is to put each person's favorite and longest running
> character on the back.
> So, I would have a big "CoHort" on the back of my shirt... or even
> better, put a shadowrn/shadowtk symbol on the back, and the individual
> character name on the front, left side, under a small symbol. _I_ would
> pay for a shirt like this.

So would I, but I can't do it that way.
There are a lot of places that'll add custom lettering to an
existing T-shirt, usually for outrageous prices. You can also buy patches
and sew 'em on yourself, though that'd be strange on a cotton tee.
Sorry, folks, but like I said, it just can't be done. Still
interested in a generic SHADOWRN mailing list shirt?

From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:48:34 -0500

Message no. 33 On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> Okay, how about just everybody on the list? How many ARE there, anyways? =-)
Not a bad idea, but again, people come and go pretty often.

> How about "...Runners of the Information Superhighway." That ties in with
the
> decking aspect of SR.

Cool...unless something better comes along, that gets my vote
(once we get around to taking votes in a week or two).

From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:51:31 -0500

Message no. 34 In answer to Doc X's ideas about listing the more prominent names,
here's an idea. If the picture on the back turns out to be some sort of
montague (which, IMHO, is almost inevitable), we could have common quotes
from some people...oddly enough, though, I can't think of anything right
now. Perhaps Fearless Leader saying "Read the FAQL!" =^>

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From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:03:30 -0500

Message no. 35 On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> Not nessecarily customized. We just get The Fearless Leader to give us all the
> email addresses of everyone on ShadowRN, TK, and Plot-D.

Oh Fearless Leader, what's the turnover rate on SHADOWRN and
SHADOWTK recently? I recall you saying something about eight people per
day on SHADOWRN a while back....

From:	Darth Vader <j07c@***.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 11:24:45 +0100

Message no. 36 I understand what you mean about the turnover rate and all, but
I still think that I would be a way cool idea to have all the
addresses on the back. Maybe we could use a list of all the
people that are on the list for more that two weeks or something.
That should give us a pretty acurate list !

About the favourite Character or quote-signature etc.
We could do it on our own guys, I mean everyone could get the
generic shirt and then go to one of these cool places where
they print things on T-Shirts and individualise it :)

Well whadaya think?
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From:	Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 07:54:24 -0600

Message no. 37 Yeah, I'd pay for that. *cackle* Except one thing...as we said, individual
names are x-pensive.

From:	"Dylan Northrup (PHY)" <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 09:19:08 -0500

Message no. 38 On Fri, 18 Feb 1994, Darth Vader wrote:

> Maybe we could use a list of all the
> people that are on the list for more that two weeks or something.
> That should give us a pretty acurate list !

I would propose that the minimum time be one-two months. Not a long
time, especially for a lurker as I myself once was.

Also, from when would we begin this countdown? From the time of the
original proposal? From the time that we agree upon what the shirt
should actually say? From an unspecified date in the future?

> About the favourite Character or quote-signature etc.
> We could do it on our own guys, I mean everyone could get the
> generic shirt and then go to one of these cool places where
> they print things on T-Shirts and individualise it :)

This has been pointed out before and has been shown to be rather
expensive. I wouprefer to have my name (or pseudonym as the case may be)
integrated into a list of people than have just my name showing on ths back.

Doc X
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* a.k.a. Doc_X on irc and SHADOWRN * I just play one in the lab *
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From:	Alexandre Alvarez Guevara <a9315162@******.UNIANDES.EDU.CO>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:00:50 -0500

Message no. 39 Why don't you print a single T-Shirt and send a Diploma or something
with our Fearless Leader signature congratulating the buyer? (Including
the Users Name in the system. That would let the newbies feel alright,
wear the T-Shirt and Have the Diploma on the wall, near to the Sports
Illustrated calendar) (Or playboy, who cares).

My 2 cents (?)

From:	The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 17:36:46 +0000

Message no. 40 While the idea of T-shirts may seem fun .. Is it really going to happen ?
Who's going to take all the orders and money, how do you decide on a design ?
The problems I think will be enough to cause the idea to die... Shame though
it coulda been nice.

Phill.
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From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 13:31:35 -0600

Message no. 41 On Fri, 18 Feb 1994, Alexandre Alvarez Guevara wrote:

> Why don't you print a single T-Shirt and send a Diploma or something
> with our Fearless Leader signature congratulating the buyer? (Including
> the Users Name in the system. That would let the newbies feel alright,
> wear the T-Shirt and Have the Diploma on the wall, near to the Sports
> Illustrated calendar) (Or playboy, who cares).

That's a rather sexist presentation. Some people might even have the
cippendales on their wall. Actually, I have a calendar of Boris
Valleio's works hanging on my wall, right next to a map of the internet,
right above 3' x 2' picture of the Enterprise, next to a picture of the
sevel challenger astronauts, next to a post of a wizard in his workshop,
above my desk.

*breathes*

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From:	Twist <winterh@******.EMICH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 17:24:31 EDT

Message no. 42 > I understand what you mean about the turnover rate and all, but
> I still think that I would be a way cool idea to have all the
> addresses on the back. Maybe we could use a list of all the
> people that are on the list for more that two weeks or something.
> That should give us a pretty acurate list !
>
This may seem like a silly thing to propose, but why not simply
put the anmes/addresses of all the people who are buying shirts?
Aren't you only planning on printing as many as people buy?
(whoever is going to actually get them made, that is)

From:	Timothy Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 16:36:15 -0600

Message no. 43 On the topic of being on the T-Shirts, well, I was on for a while long-
er but I got kicked off a while ago for some technical reasons.

I'd like to be on it if at all possible...

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Tim Skirvin Adam and Eve, the snake and the apple...took
(tskirvin@ it word for word. Unfortunately, their
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----------------------- - Rimmer, Red Dwarf (The Last Day)

From:	"C. Paul Douglas" <granite@********.CLARK.NET>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 18:40:53 -0500

Message no. 44 On Fri, 18 Feb 1994, Alexandre Alvarez Guevara wrote:

> Why don't you print a single T-Shirt and send a Diploma or something
> with our Fearless Leader signature congratulating the buyer? (Including
> the Users Name in the system. That would let the newbies feel alright,
> wear the T-Shirt and Have the Diploma on the wall, near to the Sports
> Illustrated calendar) (Or playboy, who cares).
>
> My 2 cents (?)
>
This is probably the best Idea I have seen on the subject yet
-----------------------GRANITE

From:	Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 20:26:46 -0600

Message no. 45 Hey, on MY wall it's a Star Trek poster ("All I need to know about life I
learned from STAR TREK"), a detail of an Egyptian tomb mural, and a nCUBE
poster -- my Cray posters haven't come yet. =)

But yes, I like that idea =)

From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Fri, 18 Feb 1994 22:29:53 -0600

Message no. 46 On Fri, 18 Feb 1994, J.D. Falk wrote:

> Oh Fearless Leader, what's the turnover rate on SHADOWRN and
> SHADOWTK recently? I recall you saying something about eight people per
> day on SHADOWRN a while back....

The lists vary by 3 to 8 percent every day, not including weekends.

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From:	Dave Sherohman <esper@*****.IMA.UMN.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 24 Feb 1994 09:19:12 -0600

Message no. 47 From: "Dylan Northrup (PHY)" <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
>On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, A cohort's CoHort wrote:

>> A better suggestion is to put each person's favorite and longest running
>> character on the back.

>I agree. I would rather have Doc X listed than my name. It is more in
>keeping with the spirit of the newsgroup.

Hold it right there, bub. Maybe I missed something, but, as I recall, we're
talking ShadowRN shirts here, not ShadowTK - yes, believe it or not, there
are those who only read RN. (In fact, there are even some who read both for
a couple months, then got bored with TK and left.) Something to keep in
mind.

esper@***.umn.edu

From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 24 Feb 1994 14:20:22 -0600

Message no. 48 On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> Hold it right there, bub. Maybe I missed something, but, as I recall, we're
> talking ShadowRN shirts here, not ShadowTK - yes, believe it or not, there
> are those who only read RN. (In fact, there are even some who read both for
> a couple months, then got bored with TK and left.) Something to keep in
> mind.

That doesn't matter, each person can choose their own name, regardless of
which list they are on, BUB!

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From:	A cohort's CoHort <cohort@******.CONNECTED.COM>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 24 Feb 1994 16:01:05 -0800

Message no. 49 On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> From: "Dylan Northrup (PHY)" <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
> >On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, A cohort's CoHort wrote:
> >> A better suggestion is to put each person's favorite and longest running
> >> character on the back.
> >I agree. I would rather have Doc X listed than my name. It is more in
> >keeping with the spirit of the newsgroup.
> Hold it right there, bub. Maybe I missed something, but, as I recall, we're
> talking ShadowRN shirts here, not ShadowTK - yes, believe it or not, there
> are those who only read RN.
>
Yes, but, I never said anything about ShadowTK in my original post, did
I? I just said your favorite character's name.

This is, after all, a discussion group for a roleplaying game. Do you
play RPGs? I thought so - so, what is your favorite/longest-running SR
character's name? This is what I am suggesting be put on the shirts.

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From:	"Dylan Northrup (PHY)" <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject:	Re: T-Shirts
Date:	Thu, 24 Feb 1994 19:17:52 -0500

Message no. 50 On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> From: "Dylan Northrup (PHY)" <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
> >On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, A cohort's CoHort wrote:
>
> >> A better suggestion is to put each person's favorite and longest running
> >> character on the back.
>
> >I agree. I would rather have Doc X listed than my name. It is more in
> >keeping with the spirit of the newsgroup.
>
> Hold it right there, bub. Maybe I missed something, but, as I recall, we're
> talking ShadowRN shirts here, not ShadowTK - yes, believe it or not, there
> are those who only read RN. (In fact, there are even some who read both for
> a couple months, then got bored with TK and left.) Something to keep in
> mind.

And I am one of those people. I only read Shadowrn now because I don't
have the time to devote to 2 maillists this size! I would still rather have
Doc X on the shirt than Dylan Northrup. Doc X is SR related, moreso
than my name is. Also, the point I was trying to make is, I would
rather have my pseudonym on the shirt alongside names like Da Minotaur,
Flare, and Doctor Doom. I think it sounds better.

Doc X
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Message no. 51 WOuld only the people ordering shirts get their names put on them??Or what???

-Warlok
"Rider of the fabled striped mongolian Mac"

Message no. 52 On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Warlok wrote:

> WOuld only the people ordering shirts get their names put on them??Or what???

Yes. It's the only way to be sure that those who 'deserve' their name
on the shirt get it there. Ther was some discussion about the people
that had been here a while getting on, but there was no way to quantify
the time in a 'good' manner.

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Message no. 53 On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Warlok wrote:

> WOuld only the people ordering shirts get their names put on them??Or what???

Yes. That's the only way I can get an accurate list of people who
(a) are on the list, and (b) would like to be on the shirt.
The name list graphic will also be presented for everybody's
approval, but I want to get the "main" graphic figgered out first.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * WOULD
* J.D. Falk jdfalk@****.com * *YOU*
* Official SHADOWRN@***** Haberdasher * BUY A
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SHIRT
* FTP current designs from CAIS.COM, * FROM
* directory /usr/jdfalk * THIS
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * MAN?

Message no. 54 >
> On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Warlok wrote:
>
> > WOuld only the people ordering shirts get their names put on them??Or what???
>
> Yes. It's the only way to be sure that those who 'deserve' their name
> on the shirt get it there. Ther was some discussion about the people
> that had been here a while getting on, but there was no way to quantify
> the time in a 'good' manner.

Well, I want to be there.

BTW, overseas expeditions?

Bye, Paolo
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Message no. 55 I would like to see printed:

Rominuald Tanglin, aka The Artificial Kid

Hope that I can proudly wear it this summer :)
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Message no. 56 ok, so how do we go about ordering a shirt??

maybe i missed a post...i've been on the list for about
a year (except for a month or so) and although i've
been quiet recently, i have been quite active in the past..

so please post one more time the info on how to
go about ordering a shirt, and where to send the funds
to...

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| Richard C. Osterhout | But the knowledge of how |
| Tavares, Florida | to use it is the key! |
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Message no. 57 I'd be interested in the T-shirts if I knew what was going to be on them.
I mean, for all I know it says "I'm that SR-nerd" or something...

Message no. 58 One idea I had for a design was a picture of a chip, and on top 'SHADOWRN
Mail List' and on the bottom 'Welcome to the Information Age.' Now all I
have to do is find a picture to scan...

---
Not as clumsy or as random as a blaster.

Message no. 59 Ok, the whole issue of the ShadowRN T-shirt has been kinda quiet, and
I've been holding back on inputing so I don't seem like Dictator-Leader.
In any case, here's an idea:

FRONT:
------
Over the left breast, put the Shadowrun logo.
Underneath that is written:
Shadowrun Discussion List
<shadowrn@*****..nic.SURFnet.nl>

BACK:
-----
Headline reads:
Surveyors of the Information Superhighway

Underneath that (this will be formatted nicer):
FOREMAN: Robert "Fearless Leader" Hayden
<hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu>
ASSISTANT FOREMAN: Doctor Doom <jch8169@******.tamu.edu>

Under that is the list of all the people who buy a shirt (either real
name or character)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

So how's this work?

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Message no. 60 > [Fearless Leader's T-Shirt design...]

Sounds good. Nice, simple, and to the point. I've always liked T-shirts
that have something small and not too conspicuous over the left breast;
the "big" logo is splashed over the back.

How about black lettering over a white or light grey? Or take the
negative, and do the white over black thing... No better way to overheat
in the summer sun... =^)

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Message no. 61 Or instead of the usual black and white thing we could go for some
subtling coloring. How would that look? Would it cost too much money?

Bill Field
( in dire need of .sig )

Message no. 62 On Sat, 23 Apr 1994, William Field wrote:

> Or instead of the usual black and white thing we could go for some
> subtling coloring. How would that look? Would it cost too much money?

$$$$$

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Message no. 63 On Sat, 23 Apr 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Ok, the whole issue of the ShadowRN T-shirt has been kinda quiet, and
> I've been holding back on inputing so I don't seem like Dictator-Leader.
Please, go ahead -- I'd all but given up, especially with most
peoples' school years drawing to a close.

[idea deleted -- check the listserv archives if you missed it]
>
> So how's this work?
>
Sounds good to me, only wrinkle is the names. I'll have to get
money from everybody perhaps as much as a month before the shirts are
finished (I don't know how long the company takes to make 'em), just so
that we know who should be listed on the back.
I, personally, can't afford to get more than one or two extras for
people who miss the first run. The minimum run will be 36 shirts.
And, if somebody more experienced in creating t-shirts wants to
take it over, please contact me personally at <jdfalk@****.com>.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * WOULD
* Jai Tao jdfalk@****.com * *YOU*
* Official SHADOWRN@***** Haberdasher * BUY A
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SHIRT
* FTP current designs from CAIS.COM, * FROM
* directory /usr/jdfalk * THIS
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * MAN?

Message no. 64 On Sat, 23 Apr 1994, William Field wrote:

> Or instead of the usual black and white thing we could go for some
> subtling coloring. How would that look? Would it cost too much money?
>
Each color costs extra -- assuming 80 shirts, the extra cost would
be approx. $1 per extra color (beyond the first, that is) per shirt.
Nothing wrong with blue on white, red on black, whatever.

Message no. 65 On Sat, 23 Apr 1994, Jai Tao wrote:

> Sounds good to me, only wrinkle is the names. I'll have to get
> money from everybody perhaps as much as a month before the shirts are
> finished (I don't know how long the company takes to make 'em), just so
> that we know who should be listed on the back.

If people order now, and provide their summer address, it should be ok.

> I, personally, can't afford to get more than one or two extras for
> people who miss the first run. The minimum run will be 36 shirts.
> And, if somebody more experienced in creating t-shirts wants to
> take it over, please contact me personally at <jdfalk@****.com>.

I can take over if you want me to. I can call around tomorrow and get
some prices. I should be able to do quantities of less than 36, for sure.

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Message no. 66 >FRONT:
>------
> Over the left breast, put the Shadowrun logo.
> Underneath that is written:
> Shadowrun Discussion List
> <shadowrn@*****..nic.SURFnet.nl>

Why not put a big SR logo in the center instead of on the breast?

>BACK:
>-----
> Headline reads:
> Surveyors of the Information Superhighway
>
> Underneath that (this will be formatted nicer):
>FOREMAN: Robert "Fearless Leader" Hayden
><hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu>
>ASSISTANT FOREMAN: Doctor Doom <jch8169@******.tamu.edu>

I don't like the term "Information Superhighway" (I think it's a personal
thing, but I just don't like the sound of it). Otherwise, this looks good
to me.

> Under that is the list of all the people who buy a shirt (either
>real
> name or character)
>

Cool! my name on a T-shirt! (would that be with or without e-mail
address?)

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Message no. 67 On Sun, 24 Apr 1994, Gurth wrote:

> Why not put a big SR logo in the center instead of on the breast?

Cuz:
A) We don't have one
B) It'll kinda look cheesy.

> I don't like the term "Information Superhighway" (I think it's a personal
> thing, but I just don't like the sound of it). Otherwise, this looks good
> to me.

Information Superhighway is what Joe "moron" Public understands.

> Cool! my name on a T-shirt! (would that be with or without e-mail
> address?)

Depends on how many people we get.

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Message no. 68 Hey, since there were not very many people wanting a tshirt, could we not
have space to put email addresses?

Damion

Message no. 69 On Thu, 16 Jun 1994, MILLIKEN DAMION A wrote:

> Hey, since there were not very many people wanting a tshirt, could we not
> have space to put email addresses?

No

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Message no. 70 Hey, did anyone else in Australia order a T-Shirt?

I did, but I haven't seen hide nor hair of it yet. Is it still in transit or
has trusty Australia Post lost it on me :-(

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Message no. 71 On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Damion Milliken wrote:

> Hey, did anyone else in Australia order a T-Shirt?
>
> I did, but I haven't seen hide nor hair of it yet. Is it still in transit or
> has trusty Australia Post lost it on me :-(

According to what the post office told me, it would take about four weeks
to reach those folx across either of the ponds.

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Message no. 72 Our Fearless Leader writes:

> > Hey, did anyone else in Australia order a T-Shirt?
> >
> > I did, but I haven't seen hide nor hair of it yet. Is it still in transit or
> > has trusty Australia Post lost it on me :-(
>
> According to what the post office told me, it would take about four weeks
> to reach those folx across either of the ponds.

How long ago did you send them?

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Message no. 73 On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Damion Milliken wrote:

> How long ago did you send them?

Maybe three weeks or so?

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Message no. 74 Is there going to be a Shadowrun mailing list T-shirt deal this year?

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Message no. 75 > Is there going to be a Shadowrun mailing list T-shirt deal this year?

I want one no matter what - and I dont mind doing the printing (I
think I can get a better price than the one the FL got last year)
and please no matter who prints them please dont forget to put my name on
them this time :)

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Message no. 76 On Thu, 2 Feb 1995, Jani Fikouras wrote:

> > Is there going to be a Shadowrun mailing list T-shirt deal this year?
>
> I want one no matter what - and I dont mind doing the printing (I
> think I can get a better price than the one the FL got last year)
> and please no matter who prints them please dont forget to put my name on
> them this time :)

What price was that? Depending on quantity of course, I might be
able to get them under $5 a shirt. Of course someone else would have to
do the artwork.

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And is heard no more." - Macbeth, Act V Scene V
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Message no. 77 I would like to order a shirt too if they are being made. I may even order
one for my boyfriend too.

Message no. 78 > What price was that? Depending on quantity of course, I might be
> able to get them under $5 a shirt. Of course someone else would have to
> do the artwork.

I *think* I normally pay the equivallent of 17$ for a shirt+the print
job. I guess I'll get a much better price for a bigger quantity.

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Message no. 79 On Thu, 2 Feb, Gurth wrote:

> Is there going to be a Shadowrun mailing list T-shirt deal this year?

What is this deal exactly, as I'm only a few months on the list? Can
I get a T-shirt with one of the Tim Bradsheet art works on them? Or
one with those cool SWAT-like soldiers?

Just asking,

Martin

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Message no. 80 Sorry about my previous mail :) I meant to say I normally get them
for about 7 dollars :) not 17.

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Message no. 81 From Renegade:

> What price was that? Depending on quantity of course, I might be
>able to get them under $5 a shirt. Of course someone else would have to
>do the artwork.

Something like $20 in the US, $25 outside, including postage.

----------

John Fikouras (John?):

> I *think* I normally pay the equivallent of 17$ for a shirt+the print
>job. I guess I'll get a much better price for a bigger quantity.

I wouldn't expect big quantities: last year's shirt has about 25 names on
it, so about 25 people bought one from our Fearless Leader :) I was once
told by a guy I worked for that he paid 200 guilders (about $115) per
stencil for the shirts he had printed up each year for the tourists, plus of
course the cost of the shirt (2 to 5 guilders per shirt or something, I
believe). So, if you get 25 shirts printed in one color on both sides (2
stencils), that would mean about $12 per shirt. Where I live, that is. And,
mind you, I didn't check anything with any manufacturers.

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Message no. 82 I seem to remember that when FL took on the job of making up T-Shirts
last year, it turned into a big mess and he actually lost some money on it.(?)
Anyway, who wants to be responsible for it this time?

Message no. 83 If T-Shirts are being made, what would the shipping be to get one to the
UK? If they are any good, I'd be interested in one.

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Message no. 84 >What is this deal exactly, as I'm only a few months on the list? Can
>I get a T-shirt with one of the Tim Bradsheet art works on them? Or
>one with those cool SWAT-like soldiers?

Last year's shirt is black with a white Shadowrun logo and the addresses of
the four SR-related mailing lists on the front, and on the back are the
words "Surveyors of the information superhighway" (despite my protests :),
the names of everyone who bought the shirt, and some more pictures ("cyber
rights now," etc.). In other words, a have a shirt with your name on the back...

BTW, Fearless Leader, how about this addition to the Geek Code:
d- - - - - I, err, sort of, like, wear a, mmm *mumble*
Shadowrunmailinglistt-shirt

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Message no. 85 On Sat, 4 Feb 1995, Gurth wrote:

> Last year's shirt is black with a white Shadowrun logo and the addresses of
> the four SR-related mailing lists on the front, and on the back are the
> words "Surveyors of the information superhighway" (despite my protests :),
> the names of everyone who bought the shirt, and some more pictures ("cyber
> rights now," etc.). In other words, a have a shirt with your name on the back...

Well this sounds really cool. A couple posts back J.D.Falk said somebody
lost money last time. Well I'd be willing to pay, say, $15 for a t-shirt
(since thats how much cheap shirts cost anyway). If somebody can figure
the price to break even, or even turn a profit, and started selling then
I'd definitely buy one.
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Message no. 86 On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, John Fikouras wrote:

> > What price was that? Depending on quantity of course, I might be
> > able to get them under $5 a shirt. Of course someone else would have to
> > do the artwork.
>
> I *think* I normally pay the equivallent of 17$ for a shirt+the print
> job. I guess I'll get a much better price for a bigger quantity.

I can get a high quality shirt for $2.85 a piece if I buy by the gross
(12 dozen) which will include the printing and everything.

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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And is heard no more." - Macbeth, Act V Scene V
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Message no. 87 On Sat, 4 Feb 1995, Renegade wrote:

> I can get a high quality shirt for $2.85 a piece if I buy by the gross
> (12 dozen) which will include the printing and everything.

Just so some of the less English-fluent people on this list can
get in on the joke, a gross (12 dozen) is 144 shirts.

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Message no. 88 On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, Enos Michel CDT wrote:

> I seem to remember that when FL took on the job of making up T-Shirts
> last year, it turned into a big mess and he actually lost some money on it.(?)
> Anyway, who wants to be responsible for it this time?

I would if I had some help. Anybody down here in the Miami willing to
help let me know. *NOTE* Please don't start filling my mailbox with
requests and what not. This is all preliminary (sp?).

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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And is heard no more." - Macbeth, Act V Scene V
Renegade William Shakespeare
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jricker@*******.fsu.edu

Message no. 89 To who ever decides to do the shirts

When you count up the people who are interested in buying one, figure your
estimated number for the cost on half this amount.

Ie - if 30 people say they want one.
You tell the printer that about 15 people want one, and he'll give you the
price. Then 20 people send you money - and the printer prints up 20 of them
because he will still have the template.

Nightfox

Message no. 90 Well, if anyone is willing to do t-shirts this year, then I'd be happy to
help in any way I can. I can't get very good prices, :( but I'm willing
to help with anything else I can (like polling potential buyers, etc.)
Last time, I just didn't have the money at the time to shell out. This
time I should. I really would like one of these t-shirts to proudly
display my allegiance to the list! :) Welp, just trying to help.

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Message no. 91 Since Hayden lost money on the shirts last year, (if he really wants
the headache of doing it again) I'd still be willing to by a second

run t-shirt at an inflated price (they were nice shirts, ask my ex-girl
friend, she still has mine...*ouch*).

Michael
aka Harlequin (with frostbite)

Message no. 92 >I handled the details of it. $15 for a black shirt with white ink on the
>front, and White and Florescent Green inks on the back (looks really good
>actually).

I'll take your word for it.. I'd suggest that whoever does the art have a
copy put up on one of the WWW servers so that people can make a descision.

>
>Now, I'm willing to do it again, but I am wary of using the quantity
>discount as a basis of determining the price, so my initial impression
>would be that a shirt of the same quality as last year (2 sides, 2
>colors, including shipping) will have to cost a wee bit more (say $17,
>including shipping). If you take off the $3 for shipping, it's about
>$14, which isn't too outrageous.

I agree, this is definitly not an unreasonable thing.. Plus, if you do get a
discount, maybe you can make up for some of your losses last year...

>
>Also, somebody else would have to do the artwork, as I don't have time
>this year. If there is a desire to use the ShadowRun Horn logo, someone
>will have to get permission from FASA as they have clarified their
>copyright restrictions since last year. They may actually be
>accomidating. The only specific requirement I'd have is that the year be
>included on the artwork somewhere.

It would be a real plus to have the shadowrun logo on the shirt... Anyway,
I'll give a tentative commitment to buy a shirt, based on the artwork/text
to accompany it..

Shadow

Message no. 94 Yeah, I would like one. Even though I normally find it so cold that I need
a jumper. :-)

David Arthur -- arthur.d@*****.uk30.bull.co.uk
{COMPUTERS??? ARGHhhhh...}

Message no. 95 Nothing can happen until we get the artwork. So somebody has to do the
art before we even thing about it.

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Message no. 96 The t-shirt idea sound interesting and I might order one depending upon
the price.

SilverFire

Bite off more than you can chew, then chew as if your life depended upon it.
IT DOES.

Message no. 97 Yes, I want a T-Shirt...shit I'll even pay for it!

Thrud

Message no. 98 Fearless Leader:
>Nothing can happen until we get the artwork. So somebody has to do the
>art before we even thing about it.

Renegade:
>Ok first thing we will need is artwork. If you can do quality artwork
>let me know.

I've personally always fancied having a shirt with the insect spirit from
GrimII on the front or back -- you know, the one that's tearing through page
101. I think you'd have to get permission from FASA to use it, though
(unless you simply don't care :)
As far as original art is concerned, I would be willing to do it, were it
not for the fact that I'm quite possibly one of the worst artists this side
of the moon :) But if you all want to settle for geometrical shapes, I'm
your man! (Mondriaan eat your heart out! :)
What I _can_ do is put together a layout once the artwork has been
done/selected, so if you need any help with that, I'm available.

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Message no. 99 BB> Well, if anyone is willing to do t-shirts this year, then I'd be
BB> happy to help in any way I can. I can't get very good prices, :(
BB> but I'm willing to help with anything else I can (like polling
BB> potential buyers, etc.) Last time, I just didn't have the money at
BB> the time to shell out. This time I should. I really would like one
BB> of these t-shirts to proudly display my allegiance to the list! :)
BB> Welp, just trying to help.

Hi, I'm a new subscriber to this list and I was just wondering what this
shirt business is about. I might wonna buy one.

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Message no. 100 Hey,

About this time last year, T-Shirts were being organised. Is the T-shirt
thing going to be happening again this year? I thought they were excellent
last time, and I'd like to see them again FL.

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Message no. 101 Somebody was supposed to do up some art and I was going to get them
printed and handle the selling.

Nobody did the art.

'nuff said.

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Message no. 102 The Other Non-official Guru:
>About this time last year, T-Shirts were being organised. Is the T-shirt
>thing going to be happening again this year? I thought they were excellent
>last time, and I'd like to see them again FL.

I brought this up a few months ago, and lots of people jumped up and wanted
one. Then it sort of died down and we never heard of it anymore. Somebody
said they were going to do them, so how about it guys/girls?

Fearless Leader:
>Somebody was supposed to do up some art and I was going to get them
>printed and handle the selling.
>
>Nobody did the art.
>
>'nuff said.

Hmm. I for one would like to see another T-shirt (not "T-short" as I keep
typing...), so the question would be who was going to do the art -- maybe we
can still bug him into doing it. How about my suggestion of the insect
spirit that's tearing through the page in the Grimthingy?

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Message no. 103 > I brought this up a few months ago, and lots of people jumped up and wanted
> one. Then it sort of died down and we never heard of it anymore. Somebody
> said they were going to do them, so how about it guys/girls?
>
> Hmm. I for one would like to see another T-shirt (not "T-short" as I keep
> typing...), so the question would be who was going to do the art -- maybe we
> can still bug him into doing it. How about my suggestion of the insect
> spirit that's tearing through the page in the Grimthingy?

Well I still think that its a pretty cool idea, and I still want one.
So gurth why dont you put your considerable layouting talent to good use and
paste some art together for us.
I am partial to the SR logo from Running Gear ( the one with the metallic
plate), so we could have that for the front side and a list of names for the
back side. Along with some cool quote.
What do you think ?

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Message no. 104 > Well I still think that its a pretty cool idea, and I still want one.
>So gurth why dont you put your considerable layouting talent to good use and
>paste some art together for us.

I've been thinking -- like I said, I like the bug tearing through the page,
but I think we'd need FASA's permission or something (right, Rob?). What
about putting the SR logo on the front of the shirt, with the bug ripping
through it? We could warp the logo (using CorelDRAW for instance) and then
paste the insect spirit over that so it appears the logo is being shred to
pieces... On the back of course the names of anyone ordering a shirt. Sound
good?

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Message no. 105 > > Well I still think that its a pretty cool idea, and I still want one.
> >So gurth why dont you put your considerable layouting talent to good use and
> >paste some art together for us.
>
> I've been thinking -- like I said, I like the bug tearing through the page,
> but I think we'd need FASA's permission or something (right, Rob?). What
> about putting the SR logo on the front of the shirt, with the bug ripping
> through it? We could warp the logo (using CorelDRAW for instance) and then
> paste the insect spirit over that so it appears the logo is being shred to
> pieces... On the back of course the names of anyone ordering a shirt. Sound
> good?

Way cool!

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"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

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Message no. 106 GURTH:

Yes, you'd need FASA's ok to use their logos and such

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Message no. 107 >Yes, you'd need FASA's ok to use their logos and such

That's what I thought. Now that I'm on this, I'll say that I'd be prepared
to cook up something to put on the front and/or back of the shirt, but that
I won't handle the printing. As I understand, Rob had agreed to print them
last time this came up (you had, right?), so now we'd need FASA's
permission. What do we do for that? Email them, explaining what we want to
do and that we're not going to be selling them in huge quantities? In other
words: how did you do it last time, Rob?

Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
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Message no. 108 Well, if you want to contact FASA, then I'd be more than happy to get on
my AOL account and write to Mike. It seems that responses to mail from AOL
to AOL are faster (and more reliable), so I suppose that this would be a
good idea. Any suggestions or whatever are welcome, but please respond via
private e-mail unless it's something the list might be concerned with. Thanx.

-L8TR,
-Calvinoi MindFlyer

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Message no. 109 >Well, if you want to contact FASA, then I'd be more than happy to get on
>my AOL account and write to Mike. It seems that responses to mail from AOL
>to AOL are faster (and more reliable), so I suppose that this would be a
>good idea. Any suggestions or whatever are welcome, but please respond via
>private e-mail unless it's something the list might be concerned with. Thanx.

Well, since it appears I'm organizing this now (but who'll handle the
printing?), I'd say please ask FASA if we can use the SR logo and/or the bug
ripping through page 101 of the Grimoire II to put on a limited-edition
T-shirt for this mailing list.

Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
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Message no. 110 > >Well, if you want to contact FASA, then I'd be more than happy to get on
> >my AOL account and write to Mike. It seems that responses to mail from AOL
> >to AOL are faster (and more reliable), so I suppose that this would be a
> >good idea. Any suggestions or whatever are welcome, but please respond via
> >private e-mail unless it's something the list might be concerned with. Thanx.
>
> Well, since it appears I'm organizing this now (but who'll handle the
> printing?), I'd say please ask FASA if we can use the SR logo and/or the bug
> ripping through page 101 of the Grimoire II to put on a limited-edition
> T-shirt for this mailing list.

As far as I know the FL is still the one responsible for the printing, but
if he cant handle it I'd be very happy to jump in.

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Message no. 111 >>GURTH the GURU said<<

>That's what I thought. Now that I'm on this, I'll say that I'd be prepared
>to cook up something to put on the front and/or back of the shirt, but that
>I won't handle the printing. As I understand, Rob had agreed to print them
>last time this came up (you had, right?), so now we'd need FASA's
>permission. What do we do for that? Email them, explaining what we want to
>do and that we're not going to be selling them in huge quantities? In other
>words: how did you do it last time, Rob?
>

Well I am a Photoshop user and will be happy to try and do something cool
with any artwork that you all come up with. Just yell at me if you need
something done.

Ed

Message no. 112 >Well I am a Photoshop user and will be happy to try and do something cool
>with any artwork that you all come up with. Just yell at me if you need
>something done.

I had this idea that I think I explained a dozen times already, so I see
what I can do once I obtain a scan of that insect (that is, if FASA allows
us to use it). I can't scan it myself because it's too wide :( so if
somebody could (who was it that was scanning those front covers...?)

Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
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Message no. 113 Do I get a free shirt because I'm fearless leader? ;-)

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Message no. 114 Our Fearless Reader wrote :-

> Do I get a free shirt because I'm fearless leader? ;-)

Heh, nice one, maybe one for our resident Guru's, and one
for our list.grumpy.member, and one for ...... ;-)

Phil (Renegade)

Message no. 115 >Do I get a free shirt because I'm fearless leader? ;-)

You get your name on it at the very top (right below mine -- er, maybe not :)

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Message no. 116 I'm leaving for the summer and setting shadowrn to nomail. I still plan to
check my mail every week or so, though. So, when the T-shirt stuff is
finalized, can someone mail me privately with the details? I'd be forever
in your debt. :)

--Craig

Message no. 117 >Hey, BTW, Gurth, I reckon you should put J.D's name up top with Dr Dooms and
>FL's.

I was thinking about that, too. But there is also someone in an official
function on the ShadowTK list, isn't there? I'd need to know who he is, with
his title.

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Message no. 118 Gurth writes:

> >Hey, BTW, Gurth, I reckon you should put J.D's name up top with Dr Dooms and
> >FL's.
> I was thinking about that, too. But there is also someone in an official
> function on the ShadowTK list, isn't there? I'd need to know who he is, with
> his title.

Beats me, I'm not on ShadowTK, so I wouldn't know. But I thought J.D. was
the Keeper of the FAQ's for all the lists, not just ShadowRN. But, anyway,
perhaps the man himself can fill us in.

--
Damion Milliken Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: adm82@***.edu.au

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Message no. 119 On Wed, 10 May 1995, Damion Milliken wrote:

> Beats me, I'm not on ShadowTK, so I wouldn't know. But I thought J.D. was
> the Keeper of the FAQ's for all the lists, not just ShadowRN. But, anyway,
> perhaps the man himself can fill us in.

Just ShadowRN and NERPS from me. I think it's Mark Imbracio
doing the ShadowTK-related stuff.

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| "And as we stand on the edge of darkness, |
| Let our chant fill the void." |
| -- Tibetan Book of the Dead |
--------========== http://www.cais.com/jdfalk/home.html ==========--------

Message no. 120 >> >Hey, BTW, Gurth, I reckon you should put J.D's name up top with Dr Dooms and
>> >FL's.
>> I was thinking about that, too. But there is also someone in an official
>> function on the ShadowTK list, isn't there? I'd need to know who he is, with
>> his title.

Mark Imbriaco is the Shadowtalk deputy assistant manager
- he makes sure that people stay in line and post in the correct format

I'm the Shadowtk Log Editor - the one who is still trying to figure out PERL
so that he can do his job - then comes trying to PKZIP the logs and up/down load
them.

Daniel Waisley - Nightfox DJWA@*****.UCC.NAU.EDU

and hopefull soon - Nightfox@********.com

Message no. 121 >I'm the Shadowtk Log Editor - the one who is still trying to figure out PERL
>so that he can do his job - then comes trying to PKZIP the logs and up/down load
>them.

Correct that - The ShadowTK log editor who FINALLY got PERL working and is now
busily chugging along at editing the logs - YEAH!!!!!!

Nightfox

hmmm - I did the Perl stuff on Unix - now I think I'll do the actual editing on
VAX - No editor beats EVE for text editing !!!! - well maybe LSE - but we
don't have it and its just a moified version of EVE.

Message no. 122 >Mark Imbriaco is the Shadowtalk deputy assistant manager
> - he makes sure that people stay in line and post in the correct format
>
>I'm the Shadowtk Log Editor - the one who is still trying to figure out PERL
>so that he can do his job - then comes trying to PKZIP the logs and up/down
load
>them.

So that's the following officials, if I'm not mistaking:

Fearless Leader: Robert A. Hayden
Assistant Fearless Leader: Dr. Doom
Keeper Of The FAQ: J.D. Falk
ShadowTK Deputy Assistant Manager: Mark Imbriaco
ShadowTK Log Editor: Daniel Waisley

That might be too many to put at the top of the shirt if it also is to say
"Shadowrun Mailing Lists" on the back, so I might put everyone but the
Fearless Leader & Assistant somewhere else.

BTW, there was a slight modification in the layout: the "1995" is no longer
at the bottom, it's now vertically along the right-hand side, beside the
rows of names.

Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
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Message no. 123 On Thu, 11 May 1995, Gurth wrote:

> So that's the following officials, if I'm not mistaking:
>
> Fearless Leader: Robert A. Hayden
> Assistant Fearless Leader: Dr. Doom
> Keeper Of The FAQ: J.D. Falk
> ShadowTK Deputy Assistant Manager: Mark Imbriaco
> ShadowTK Log Editor: Daniel Waisley

I'm also the NERPS Project Leader, though I'm not really sure
what that means. *grin*

> That might be too many to put at the top of the shirt if it also is to say
> "Shadowrun Mailing Lists" on the back, so I might put everyone but the
> Fearless Leader & Assistant somewhere else.

Cool wif me.

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| Keeper of the FAQ, ShadowRN and NERPS mailing lists at HEARN |
--------========== http://www.cais.com/jdfalk/home.html ==========--------

AND:

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| NERPS Project Leader (Editor & General Motivator), Keeper of the FAQ |
--------========== http://www.cais.com/jdfalk/home.html ==========--------

(finger me for a more complete list of titles)

Message no. 124 Craig S Dohmen writes:

> I'm leaving for the summer and setting shadowrn to nomail. I still plan to
> check my mail every week or so, though. So, when the T-shirt stuff is
> finalized, can someone mail me privately with the details? I'd be forever
> in your debt. :)

I don't know if you've got it yet (you're probably inundated with people
sending it to you), but here it is:

==========
The second annual Shadowrun Mailing List T-shirt is now being ordered.
The artwork is being created by Gurth <gurth@******.nl> and the orders
are being handled by Robert Hayden (hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu>.
Pictures of the proposed front and back are available via JD Falk's
Shadowrun page:
ftp://cais.cais.com/pub/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html

PRICE:
United States: $20 for the first, $18 for each additional
Outside U.S.: $25 for the first, $22 for each additional
NOTE: All overseas purchases must be made
in U.S. funds. I recommend an
international money order, available
at most banks.

Also note that it will be several weeks before the shirts can be
delivered, because Gurth needs to do the artwork with all the names before
they can be printed. Expect the shirts to be done in mid to late August.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> CLIP AND MAIL <-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Please send ______ 1995 Shadowrun Mailing List T-shirt(s). I have
enclosed ______.

NAME: ______________________________________________________

ADDRESS: ______________________________________________________

______________________________________________________
(note: the address you give should be your PERMANENT one)

E-MAIL: ______________________________________________________

NAME YOU WANT PRINTED ON THE SHIRT:

______________________________________________________

Send a copy of this order form and your payment to:
Robert Hayden
P.O. Box 4041
Mankato, MN 56002-4041
USA
==========

FL also notes in a later post that all T-shirts are XL. If you want a larger
shirt, note this on your order, and it'll cost $1 more. If you want a
smaller shirt, he says to do the same, but smaller ones are a bigger hassle,
so only do it if you REALLY need a smaller one.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong E-mail: adm82@***.edu.au

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Message no. 125 Stuipid, quick question (don't hurt me):

Is is acceptable to send U.S. Checks, or do you require money orders or cash?

Thanks! :)

Justin :)

_______________________________________________________________
(jpinnow@*****.edu)

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Message no. 126 >ftp://cais.cais.com/pub/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html

This syntax doesn't seem right. Could someone give either an accurate FTP
address or WWW address?

Thanks!

Justin :)

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(jpinnow@*****.edu)

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Message no. 127 On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Justin Pinnow wrote:

> >ftp://cais.cais.com/pub/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html
>
> This syntax doesn't seem right. Could someone give either an accurate FTP
> address or WWW address?

Having just checked this address about 20 seconds ago, I can affirm that
this is the correct address. Perhaps you might wish to check the
spelling on your end or, if that is not the culprit, write down the error
and ask your sysadmin what could be causing the problem.

--
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My views are my own and do not reflect the views of SLU, the Department
of Neurosurgery, or the Journal of Image Guided Surgery unless otherwise
stated. I make HTML pages, not policy :-) * Ask me about e-mail POBoxes
---------------
Random B5 Quote
---------------
"Taste of it and be not afraid, for I am with you until the end of time.
Taste of it." (Sinclair finally does.) "And so it begins..."
-- Delenn (to Sinclair?), "The Parliament of Dreams"

Message no. 128 I'll accept personal check, but if they bounce I will make fun of you all
over this list.

If you are outside the U.S., I need U.S. Funds, which can usually be done
through an international money order.

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******************************
** Random Babylon 5 Quote **
******************************
"The Narns will never be able to prove it was done at your instigation.
and, based on your promise to take care of it, your government accepts
your responsibility without question or hesitation. Perfect symmetry.
I believe that this little demonstration will bring you some very
interesting propositions."
-- Morden (to Londo), "Revelations"

Message no. 129 On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Justin Pinnow wrote:

> >ftp://cais.cais.com/pub/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html
>
> This syntax doesn't seem right. Could someone give either an accurate FTP
> address or WWW address?

That is a WWW browser URL.

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******************************
** Random Babylon 5 Quote **
******************************
"The Narns will never be able to prove it was done at your instigation.
and, based on your promise to take care of it, your government accepts
your responsibility without question or hesitation. Perfect symmetry.
I believe that this little demonstration will bring you some very
interesting propositions."
-- Morden (to Londo), "Revelations"

Message no. 130 > >ftp://cais.cais.com/pub/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html
>
> This syntax doesn't seem right. Could someone give either an accurate FTP
> address or WWW address?

It's right. If you weren't aware of it, URL's can be used to refer to all
sorts of protocols, not just HTTP. A good browser can recognize an HTML
document at an FTP site and grab it for you. Won't be as efficient as HTTP,
but the difference is transparent to the user. Just type that URL into
your browser as usual.

Blessings,

_TNX._

--
Stephen F. Eley (-) gt6877c@*****.gatech.edu )-( Student Pagan Community
http://wc62.residence.gatech.edu| "There are two parties -- a right wing
My opinions are my opinions. | party, and a very right wing party."
Please don't blame anyone else. | - S. Arrowsmith

Message no. 131 > > >ftp://cais.cais.com/pub/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html
> >
> >This syntax doesn't seem right. Could someone give either an accurate FTP
> >address or WWW address?

>It's right. If you weren't aware of it, URL's can be used to refer to all
>sorts of protocols, not just HTTP. A good browser can recognize an HTML
>document at an FTP site and grab it for you. Won't be as efficient as HTTP,
>but the difference is transparent to the user. Just type that URL into
>your browser as usual.
>
>
>Blessings,
>
>_TNX._

Thanks alot! I was extremely ignorant of this until you mentioned it. :)
I used it and it worked fine. Gee, now I just need a good name to print on
the back ;)

Thanks for your help!! :) :)

Justin :)

_______________________________________________________________
(jpinnow@*****.edu)

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Message no. 132 On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Justin Pinnow wrote:

> >ftp://cais.cais.com/pub/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html
>
> This syntax doesn't seem right. Could someone give either an accurate FTP
> address or WWW address?

WWW http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html
WWW ftp://warez.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/html/shadowrun.html
FTP ftp://warez.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/shadowrun/front.gif & back.gif

The old cais.com addresses (www.cais.com & ftp.cais.com) will
continue to work as well.

---------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@************.org> =========---------
| "The funny thing about the 'cyber' prefix |
| was that it had always meant bullshit." |
| -- Rudy Rucker |
----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html ==========----

Message no. 133 I just want to take this time to thank Robert and Gurth for the work they
have put in to getting the shirts fixed up.

Thanks a lot guys!!!

Ed

Message no. 134 I just got my T-Shirt in the mail two seconds ago, and I gotta say, they
look great! Great job to all involved!
--
Jason Ustica * Coming to you from Lancaster,CA * Email: usticaj@****.com

Message no. 135 Well, as long as there isn't much traffic, and your on here, how are those
t-shirts coming? No pressure, I'm just curious. Hope things go well with
'em. I'd try and bring this to about SR, but, well, why? :)

Mike Broadwater
"An object at rest cannot be stopped! Yeah, baby, yeah!" - The Evil
Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon

Message no. 136 At 03:25 PM 6/3/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, as long as there isn't much traffic, and your on here, how are those
>t-shirts coming? No pressure, I'm just curious. Hope things go well with
>'em. I'd try and bring this to about SR, but, well, why? :)

Here's the official scoop from the official guy doing the (somewhat)
official ShadowRn t-shirts.

That's me.

Hi. I've got the shirts on order and the 3XLs, 4XLs, and 5XLs are on order
and they'll be here today or tomorrow. The Ms, Ls, XLs, and 2XLs are also
on order and they'll be here on the 10th, which means that I can drop off
the shirts on the 11th or 12th and then it takes eleven working days to get
them printed, so we're looking at picking them u pon the afternoon of the
28th. The earliest people in the US of A will see them is the 2nd of July,
international orders may be a few days later (if they get out of the US
Postal System by the 3rd, it'll be cool. The USPS is closed on the 4th of
July for some reason.)

I'll be posting an accurate list of names for the back that I'll be printing
out and working from. So if I spell it Jester instead of Jestyr, that's
where you worry.

I'll probably repost this message later this week when everyone is back on.

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Maybe, just maybe, my boys'll hold 'em off. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese
jet pilot."
-Ash, _[Bruce Campbell vs.] The Army Of Darkness [The Ultimate Adventure in
Medieval Horror]_

Message no. 137 At 23:29 Uhr 3.06.96, Faux Pas wrote:> At 03:25 PM 6/3/96 -0500, you wrote:
> [snip...] be here on the 10th, which means that I can drop off
> the shirts on the 11th or 12th and then it takes eleven working days to get
> them printed, so we're looking at picking them u pon the afternoon of the
> 28th. The earliest people in the US of A will see them is the 2nd of July,
> international orders may be a few days later
Uh... means here oversea will get 'em when the fall is coming over us :-/
*shiver* "Look what I have here" - "Are you mad? Wear a shirt!" -
"No!"

:-)
Sascha

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Message no. 138 Hum seems the list lost me for a couple of days (guess some one didn't
like my comments on the Silvergun). If any one sent something to me over
the list your going to have to send it to me again (so if you really want
to flame me over the silvergun...).

Stephen

Message no. 139 Stephen Delear wrote:
|
|Hum seems the list lost me for a couple of days (guess some one didn't
|like my comments on the Silvergun). If any one sent something to me over
|the list your going to have to send it to me again (so if you really want
|to flame me over the silvergun...).

I would be more than happy to flame you over the silvergun...if I knew what
one was :)

I'm guessing that the list kicked me off before you posted it.

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.html~~~~~~

Message no. 140 It seems that the list threw a wobbly over the last few days.I have
recieved no mail form the list for about the last three days that is
why I was wondering if there is any life out there or am I just
talking to myself.

Love is the fine line between pleasure and pain

Except when you're into S&M when it's just pain! pain! pain!

Haloween Jack

Message no. 141 At 09:51 AM 6/4/96 +0200, you wrote:
>At 23:29 Uhr 3.06.96, Faux Pas wrote:
>> 28th. The earliest people in the US of A will see them is the 2nd of July,
>> international orders may be a few days later
>Uh... means here oversea will get 'em when the fall is coming over us :-/
>*shiver* "Look what I have here" - "Are you mad? Wear a shirt!" -
"No!"

Actually, if you aren't in Canada or the US, I'm sending them via air mail.
The USPS said they'd take 6 to 10 days to get to any non-North American
nation, so be looking for the shirts around the, um, 10th of July? Maybe
sooner.

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Maybe, just maybe, my boys'll hold 'em off. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese
jet pilot."
-Ash, _[Bruce Campbell vs.] The Army Of Darkness [The Ultimate Adventure in
Medieval Horror]_

Message no. 142 On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, David Buehrer wrote:

> Stephen Delear wrote:
> |
> |Hum seems the list lost me for a couple of days (guess some one didn't
> |like my comments on the Silvergun). If any one sent something to me over
> |the list your going to have to send it to me again (so if you really want
> |to flame me over the silvergun...).
>
> I would be more than happy to flame you over the silvergun...if I knew what
> one was :)
>
> I'm guessing that the list kicked me off before you posted it.

Basically I said that the Ares Viper Silvergun (9S(f)) wasn't that
unbalancing a weapon when you remember against armord targets it's on 9M
and the target gets to use either twice his impact armor or his balistic
armor which ever is higher. It's small, silenced and has a burst fire
mode which makes it a good weapon for light work but if you know you're
going up against armored opponents and concelability isn't an issue you
can do a lot more damage with an assault rife (or for the really evil a
shot gun with BF mode) and some APDS.

Stephen
>
> -David
>
> /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
> "His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
> underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
> ~~~~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.html~~~~~~
>

Message no. 144 >>> Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com> - 6/4/96 3:15 PM >>>

>On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, David Buehrer wrote:

>> Stephen Delear wrote:
>> |
>> |Hum seems the list lost me for a couple of days (guess some one
didn't
>> |like my comments on the Silvergun). If any one sent something to
me over
>> |the list your going to have to send it to me again (so if you
really want
>> |to flame me over the silvergun...).
>>
>> I would be more than happy to flame you over the silvergun...if I
knew what
>> one was :)

>Basically I said that the Ares Viper Silvergun (9S(f)) wasn't that

I can't stand it anymore. It's S"L"ivergun. As in "it fires tiny
slivers of ballistic plastic."

Robert

Message no. 145 On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Robert Blackberg III wrote:

> >>> Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com> - 6/4/96 3:15 PM >>>
>
> >On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, David Buehrer wrote:
>
> >> Stephen Delear wrote:
> >> |
> >> |Hum seems the list lost me for a couple of days (guess some one
> didn't
> >> |like my comments on the Silvergun). If any one sent something to
> me over
> >> |the list your going to have to send it to me again (so if you
> really want
> >> |to flame me over the silvergun...).
> >>
> >> I would be more than happy to flame you over the silvergun...if I
> knew what
> >> one was :)
>
> >Basically I said that the Ares Viper Silvergun (9S(f)) wasn't that
>
> I can't stand it anymore. It's S"L"ivergun. As in "it fires tiny
> slivers of ballistic plastic."
>
> Robert
>
Sorry I'm so use to using the (misprinted) SRI spelling that I do it with
out thinking any more.

Stephen

Message no. 146 Spike wrote:
||
||On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, David Buehrer wrote:
||
||> I'm guessing that the list kicked me off before you posted it.
|
|Ahhh good. At least I'm not the only one....
|When did it come back on line and how much have I missed?

People have been trickling back since Saturday or Sunday (depending on what
side of the planet you're on). Not much has been going on. Paolo's
redesigned his web page. Thomas is working on the t-shirts. People are
wondering what happened to the list and why they were kicked off. Little
stuff like that.

BTW...Spike?!?!

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.html~~~~~~

Message no. 147 |BTW...Spike?!?!

A nickname I picked up in the halls of residence...
(On account of my mohican... See the Geek Code block)

And I just found out how to alter the enviroment variable for my name.
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|Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
|Principal subjects in:-| "THAT WOULD BE AN ECCLESIASTICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!!|
|Comp Sci & something | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"
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Message no. 148 |
||BTW...Spike?!?!
|
|A nickname I picked up in the halls of residence...
|(On account of my mohican... See the Geek Code block)
|
|And I just found out how to alter the enviroment variable for my name.

Now I've got to stop myself from replying to my replies until my mailbox
gets more full.....
Ooops. Didn't succeed this time....
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|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk | |
|Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
|Principal subjects in:-| "THAT WOULD BE AN ECCLESIASTICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!!|
|Comp Sci & something | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"
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Message no. 149 At 19:59 Uhr 4.06.96, Faux Pas wrote:
[Fears about late arrival of T-Shirt]
> Actually, if you aren't in Canada or the US, I'm sending them via air mail.
> The USPS said they'd take 6 to 10 days to get to any non-North American
> nation, so be looking for the shirts around the, um, 10th of July? Maybe
> sooner.
Not that I trus any postal emplayee, but sounds GREAT!!! (*bounce around*)

Sascha

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| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.de| learn from history |
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Message no. 150 > |BTW...Spike?!?!
>
> A nickname I picked up in the halls of residence...
> (On account of my mohican... See the Geek Code block)
>
> And I just found out how to alter the enviroment variable for my name.
> --
>I managed to work that out about a year ago up until then i was
posting on the list with my real rather crap name of Kurt Bath.

The only problem I have had is that it becomes quite funny when I
have to send E-mails to my course organiser and he hasn't got a clue
who Haloween Jack is.

Also the sig file becomes a little bit of a problem as well I keep
forgetting to turn it off when I send e-mails to the lectures.

Love is the fine line between pleasure and pain

Except when you're into S&M when it's just pain! pain! pain!

Haloween Jack

Message no. 151 Stephen Delear wrote:
|
|On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, David Buehrer wrote:
|
|> Stephen Delear wrote:
|> |
|> |Hum seems the list lost me for a couple of days (guess some one didn't
|> |like my comments on the Silvergun). If any one sent something to me over
|> |the list your going to have to send it to me again (so if you really want
|> |to flame me over the silvergun...).
|>
|> I would be more than happy to flame you over the silvergun...if I knew what
|> one was :)
|>
|> I'm guessing that the list kicked me off before you posted it.
|
|Basically I said that the Ares Viper Silvergun (9S(f)) wasn't that
|unbalancing a weapon when you remember against armord targets it's on 9M
|and the target gets to use either twice his impact armor or his balistic
|armor which ever is higher. It's small, silenced and has a burst fire
|mode which makes it a good weapon for light work but if you know you're
|going up against armored opponents and concelability isn't an issue you
|can do a lot more damage with an assault rife (or for the really evil a
|shot gun with BF mode) and some APDS.

When I GM I never really have any problems with the one character that
carries a Slivergun, cuz most of my NPCs are armored. And even when he cuts
loose on the unarmored ones I don't mind, cuz he's playing smart.

IMHO the best pistol package that you can carry would be an Ares Slivergun
for the unarmored targets and an Ares Predator with AP for the armored
targets.

And, IMHO, there really isn't a best package combination for anything more
powerful. Why? Because I balance my game by giving the opposition
weapons comprable to what the characters are carrying. And you can quickly
reach a point where no amount of armor is going to stop most of the heavier
weapons (especially in BF and FA mode).

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.html~~~~~~

Message no. 152 On 4 Jun 96, [DELETED. IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL. I JUST COULDN'T
RESIST] wrote:

> Basically I said that the Ares Viper Silvergun (9S(f)) wasn't

Wait. I sense it coming!

ARES GOLDGUN

Type: Pretious
Conceal: Showoff
Ammo: Expensive
Mode: BF (Big Fragger)
Damage: Negligible
Weight: 15, nay, let's make it 17! Kgs.
Availability: None unless you are completely crazy.
Street index: 26? 27? Who has an unse for such a thing on the
street? especially when bullets come in silver-pleted little
boxes and speed loaders are platinum? :)

Really sorry, I couldn't resist.
______________________________________________________________
Paolo Falco "It's never too late to have a happy
Ironbound Section childhood"
(Near Avenue L) Opus in "Bloom County"
______________________________________________________________
HTTP://www.polito.it/~walter/RollerBrawl/rollerbrawl.html
The Above Web Page Contains Gory Graphics And Fun For Skaters!

Message no. 153 >Been gone for a while. So what up with the shirts. I've caught up with
>most else but that is a blank spot in my data.

They're coming, they're coming! We're in printing mode right now. Hold on,
and wait a bit.

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Hola! I am professional cartoonist! Want me to draw comics for you?"
-Sergio Aragones, _Sergio Aragones Destroys DC_

Message no. 154 I just resubscribed to the list so I dont know if this has been talked
about, but I havent received my T-Shirt from the list yet. Just curious as
to how things stand on it.

Sgt Pepper

Visit me at ELFMAN'S WORLD, http://home.earthlink.net/~elfman/

GeekCodev3.0
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Message no. 155 WE ge T-shirts?!?!

On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Elfman wrote:

> I just resubscribed to the list so I dont know if this has been talked
> about, but I havent received my T-Shirt from the list yet. Just curious as
> to how things stand on it.
>
> Sgt Pepper
>
> Visit me at ELFMAN'S WORLD, http://home.earthlink.net/~elfman/
>
> GeekCodev3.0
> GM/ED d- s+: g+ a26 c++ u- P? L E? W !N K- w+ M-- V+ PS+ PE Y+ PGP-
> t+ 5 X+ R+ tv+ b+(++) DI d G e++(+++) h+ r++(+++) y+
>
>

Message no. 156 At 09:20 PM 6/28/96 -0400, you wrote:
>WE ge T-shirts?!?!
>
*groan* We're getting t-shirts done and have talked about it back in May
[has it been that long?]. They'll FINALLY be ready on July 4th (sorry for
yet another delay). Unfortunately, all the shirts are at the printers and
I'm accepting no more orders. Frankly, I couldn't add to the order right
now as it's in a big big warehouse awaiting printing. So sorry Jeff and all
the other recent subscribers to the list.

Next year, I might be able to make another similar t-shirt offer (or heck,
maybe even in the winter) for a similar price. At least then, I'll have a
reasonable timetable for production.

And for those of you wondering: No, I didn't skip town and go to the
Bahamas with the t-shirt money.

'Tho it was tempting. :)

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Mike killed the Hubble! Mike killed the Hubble!"
-The 'bots, _MST3K: The Movie_

Message no. 157 Faux Pas said on 15:49/29 Jun 96...

> Next year, I might be able to make another similar t-shirt offer (or heck,
> maybe even in the winter) for a similar price. At least then, I'll have a
> reasonable timetable for production.

It's an annual T-shirt now, isn't it? Third time in three years, I believe
(no, I know :)

> And for those of you wondering: No, I didn't skip town and go to the
> Bahamas with the t-shirt money.
>
> 'Tho it was tempting. :)

I think the idea was that you're supposed to spend the cash on beer &
hookerz :)

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There were no pants -- it was the sixties.
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Message no. 158 Good news everyone! I've received word that the shirts have been printed
and I can pick them up on Monday [the store is closed on the weekends and
this Friday 'cause of Independence Day]. That means on Tuesday they're in
the mail to you!

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Very doubtful."
-Today's Magic 8-Ball answer

Message no. 159 Thomas wrote about T-shirts...
> Next year, I might be able to make another similar t-shirt offer (or heck,
> maybe even in the winter) for a similar price. At least then, I'll have a
> reasonable timetable for production.
Hm... does that mean we get the shirts before the summer is over when
we order 'em in december? (Sorry, couldn't resist, I really am thankful
for all the work Thomas did for us! :-)

Sascha
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| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.de| learn from history |
| \___ __/ | | is bound to live |
|==== \_/ ======| *Wearing hats is just a way of life* | through it again. |
|LOGOUT FASCISM!| - Me | |
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Message no. 160 At 01:28 PM 7/7/96 +0200, you wrote:
>Thomas wrote about T-shirts...
>> Next year, I might be able to make another similar t-shirt offer (or heck,
>> maybe even in the winter) for a similar price. At least then, I'll have a
>> reasonable timetable for production.
>Hm... does that mean we get the shirts before the summer is over when
>we order 'em in december? (Sorry, couldn't resist, I really am thankful
>for all the work Thomas did for us! :-)

Silly German.

Actually, Robert, Andre', Damion, and Lady Jestyr might not mind a December
order. It's winter were they are right now. BTW, I'm picking up the shirts
tomorrow and posting them asap.

Off topic, but can anyone recommend a decent shareware web site construction
program for Win95? Or an inexpensive one? Send e-mail so we don't clutter
up the mailing list. Thanks!

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Most likely."
-Today's Magic 8-Ball answer

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On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Faux Pas wrote:

> Off topic, but can anyone recommend a decent shareware web site construction
> program for Win95? Or an inexpensive one? Send e-mail so we don't clutter
> up the mailing list. Thanks!

Get netscape gold. It's what I use for page construction, when I
actually work on my pages that is

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Message no. 162 Sascha Pabst said on 13:28/ 7 Jul 96...

> Hm... does that mean we get the shirts before the summer is over when
> we order 'em in december?

Well, last year I ordered one in the summer and got it in December, does
that count? But then, I wear T-shirts all year round anyway...

> (Sorry, couldn't resist, I really am thankful for all the work Thomas
> did for us! :-)

How do you know he's not wasting it on a holiday in the Bahamas right
now? :)

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Message no. 163 Well, my t-shirt arrived in the mail (in Australia) yesterday. A supurb job
too BTW Tom, you guys without one are really missing out.

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Message no. 164 Damion Milliken said on 9:50/19 Jul 96...

> Well, my t-shirt arrived in the mail (in Australia) yesterday. A supurb job
> too BTW Tom, you guys without one are really missing out.

Haven't they always? :) Oh well, we've got the complete set...

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Message no. 165 I was wondering if, and if so, when the list T-shirts hae been sent as I
haven't seenmine yet.

VrGr

David

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Message no. 166 At 03:06 PM 8/25/96 +0200, you wrote:
>I was wondering if, and if so, when the list T-shirts hae been sent as I
>haven't seenmine yet.
>
>VrGr
>
>David

I mailed all the shirts off a while back (July 5th? 8th?). Gurth received
his four days after I mailed them out, and I believe he's in the same
country as you are. The longest time that it's taken to receive one was the
shipment to South Africa (about a month, maybe five weeks). The package was
shipped via air mail to Europe and included my return address on the parcel.
I haven't received any back as undeliverable and assumed that every one did
get what they ordered.

-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at large is on the web at www2.cy-net.net/~fauxpas

"You guys aren't drunk. You're just stupid."
-Police Officer, Beavis & Butthead

Message no. 167 Has anyone had word from Faux Pas about the ShadowRN Tshirts? I've lost
his email address.

Has anyone had theirs yet? Has he even sent them yet?

Thomas, are you still here?

Lady Jestyr

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Elle Holmes jestyr@*******.dialix.com.au
http://jestyr.home.ml.org/
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Message no. 168 At 00:25 13/12/97 +1100, Lady Jestyr said:
>Has anyone had word from Faux Pas about the ShadowRN Tshirts? I've lost
>his email address.

He can be found at http://telltale.hart.org/shadowbase/KApow/index.html

there was something about t-shirts too...
____________________________________________________________
Paolo Marcucci paolo@*********.it
InterWare Service Provider Trieste, Italy
http://www.interware.it/ Tel. +39-40-360630

Message no. 169 On 13 Dec 97 at 0:25, Lady Jestyr wrote:

> Has anyone had word from Faux Pas about the ShadowRN Tshirts? I've
> lost his email address.

He still has his page at http://telltale.hart.org, and it has been
revamped. Looks nice. Anyway, after a couple of e-mails from me (and
I guess others) urging him to let us know what is going on with the
shirts, he finally posted an update. For all interested, I will post
it here:

...
The second thing only pertains to those members on the
ShadowRN Mailing List who think I've made off with
thier hard-earned cash. I believe that there's a
lot of you who think I've bilked you all, making
off with all that money... I do appreciate your
patience, and for not sending me hate e-mail. I have been
silent on this topic for a while, and now I just ask you to
have patience for another two weeks.

As you know, in August I was wed and moved across
country. I fully intended to get the shirts done
and out before the wedding, but my lazy attitude,
the whole wedding mess (and me telling someone
else I'll wait until they send in money -- although I'm not
blaming anyone else for something that was totally my
fault), and yes, the UPS strike all added up to
nada being done. I wanted these shirts off my
hands by Gen-Con (and a rumor started up that I
was going to Gen-Con and giving out the shirts there). But I
didn't get them out by the wedding date.

Which no doubt pissed off my friends on the
mailing list.

I'm not going to even describe the state of our
finances after the wedding, the move, and my
unemployment period in the land of High Cost of
Living.

"Deeds, not words." That's something that you'll
want. You'll want your shirts in your hands, and
you want them now. All you've heard from me so far
have been words. Originally, these shirts were
going to be sent out around Christmas, but that's changed.
Now they'll be out around Christmas, but Christmas this year.

I apologize most sincerely for the inexcusable
delay to all who have ordered shirts. I know that
some of you wouldn't trust this message -- I know
that I'd be really pissed off -- but now I have
the time, I've (finally) got the money, and I've (also finally) got
all the names and addresses ready.

You've read more words. In about two weeks, you'll
see the deeds.
...

His e-mail address is fauxpas@*********.com. Everyone, please drop
Thomas a line and urge him to come back to the list, and thank him
for his honesty and integrity for the above.

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Message no. 170 In a message dated 97-12-12 09:02:14 EST, jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU writes:

> Has anyone had word from Faux Pas about the ShadowRN Tshirts? I've lost
> his email address.
> Has anyone had theirs yet? Has he even sent them yet?
> Thomas, are you still here?

I haven't heard anything from him in ages...I know no one wants to hear this,
but has he skipped out???

-K

Message no. 171 If this is a severly dead thread, forgive me, but I have been off
of the list for the past 8 months, so I wouldn't know. Last April some guy
was working on T-Shirts for the list, I still have his e-mail address, but
he doesn't respond, so I was curious if anybody on the list knew what
happened to the SRUN List T-Shirts. Any help is appreciated.
In case it is not understood, I ordered a T-Shirt and never got
it, or any message telling me why.

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Message no. 172 On 29 Jan 98 at 9:31, Daniel M Warner Jr. wrote:

> If this is a severly dead thread, forgive me, but I have
> been off of the list for the past 8 months, so I wouldn't know.
> Last April some guy was working on T-Shirts for the list, I still
> have his e-mail address, but he doesn't respond, so I was curious
> if anybody on the list knew what happened to the SRUN List T-Shirts.
> Any help is appreciated.

That was Thomas Deeny, who is no longer on the list. Check out his web
site at http://telltale.hart.org. He addressed this subject there
after I pestered him with e-mail, but he still hasn't made good on his
promise.

> In case it is not understood, I ordered a T-Shirt and never got
> it, or any message telling me why.

Your not alone.

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Message no. 173 Drekhead wrote:
>
> On 29 Jan 98 at 9:31, Daniel M Warner Jr. wrote:

<Help req. snipped for space>

> That was Thomas Deeny, who is no longer on the list. Check out his web
> site at http://telltale.hart.org. He addressed this subject there
> after I pestered him with e-mail, but he still hasn't made good on his
> promise.
>
> > In case it is not understood, I ordered a T-Shirt and never got
> > it, or any message telling me why.
>
> Your not alone.
>
Well.... never mind.

Anyway, I dropped of the list shortly before the deadline on orders for
the tees and have thus missed this affair. However, send me info off
list and I'll see what I can do from my end. (Some times ya just gotta
give the order over to the competition, even when it hurts --BTDT :/)

ceedawg

Message no. 174 A question: did any of the past ShadowRN t-shirts have color? I want to
know if I can include color in my pictures...

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Message no. 175 Michael Harrison said on 21:42/18 Mar 98...

> A question: did any of the past ShadowRN t-shirts have color? I want to
> know if I can include color in my pictures...

The 1996 shirt has a four-color front print, and white only on the back.
The '94 and '95 shirts had white on the front, and day-glo green and
white on the back. Whether or not much color can be used, though, depends
mainly on the costs involved, IMO. If it would push the price of a shirt
to US$25+, then I'd rather have no color and a lower price...

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Message no. 176 Finally, I got my *first* of FOUR T-shirt packages. I don`t mind the
colour, but they look really cheapskate - no back printing, etc. I
wonder how much of our money Faux Pas made off with? After all, the
prices he quoted us included back printing... that`s what we all paid
for.

Also, the package was postmarked in Late February, 1998. Not impressive,
when they were meant to be sent last July.

Anyway, what`s the status on the 98 shirt? Who`s organising it?

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 177 At 03:00 PM 5/15/98 +1000, Lady Jestyr wrote these timeless words:

>Anyway, what`s the status on the 98 shirt? Who`s organising it?
>
I think aftrer last years relative disaster, it may be that some of our
listmembers are skittish about taking up the responsibility...

I would, but... I know how I am... I need constant reminder, and I'm not
really sure I could get them donw locally...

Anyways, I strongly suggest if we are going to do a '98 list shirt (And I
REALLY want to do one) that we get moving, and soon... I'd love to have
shirts by Origins, but will settle for Gen Con :]

Anyways, let's start from the beginning on this. Who can get shirts made?
How much will they run? And who is willing to submit artwork? The artwork
for the "Running RUles" was cute, but we couldn;t agree and it may be
difficult to do with simple 2-4 color printing. We need something simple,
and even if it's a single color drawing (cheaper printing), it could be
cool... any takers?

Bull
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> Anyways, let's start from the beginning on this. Who can get shirts
> made? How much will they run? And who is willing to submit artwork?
> The artwork for the "Running RUles" was cute, but we couldn;t agree
> and it may be difficult to do with simple 2-4 color printing. We
> need something simple, and even if it's a single color drawing
> (cheaper printing), it could be cool... any takers?

I'd consider doing it, but I'm kind of moving about 1000 miles from
where I live now in a couple of weeks, so I've got my hands full
right now

Pantherr

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Message no. 179 Lady Jestyr said on 15:00/15 May 98...

> Anyway, what`s the status on the 98 shirt? Who`s organising it?

I offered to do the design (not the artwork for the front, which we
haven't even decided on yet), but having them printed is not something I
want to involve myself in, for reasons having to do with the government.

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Message no. 180 In a message dated 5/15/98 2:00:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
chaos@*****.COM writes:

> Anyways, let's start from the beginning on this. Who can get shirts made?
> How much will they run? And who is willing to submit artwork? The artwork
> for the "Running RUles" was cute, but we couldn;t agree and it may be
> difficult to do with simple 2-4 color printing. We need something simple,
> and even if it's a single color drawing (cheaper printing), it could be
> cool... any takers?
>
I am NOT taking this one. I just had an entire seies of manic problems, the
kind that threaten your economic stability for quite a while. It is going to
take a lot for me to continue to go to GenCon, but DAMN IT I am going to go.

Just as a Warning...I probably am not going to hear much about the List Shirt
in time before I do what I am considering doing. So for all those that do go
to GenCon, I should be easy enough to spot...

-K (is the Symbol to look to for)

Message no. 181 Lady Jestyr wrote:
/
/ Anyway, what`s the status on the 98 shirt? Who`s organising it?

I would almost be willing to do it. But anything I can come up with
would be in the $20-$30(US) price range. And that seems to be more
than people are willing to pay.

BTW, I have an alternate art idea.

Instead of trying to fit all the pictures on one T-shirt, how about
having 4 different shirts?

Shirt 1: Watch Your Back
Shirt 2: Conserve Ammo
Shirt 3: Shoot Straight
Shirt 4: Never, Ever, Cut a Deal with a Dragon

-OU812
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At 07:43 AM 5/15/98 -0600, OU812 wrote:
>Instead of trying to fit all the pictures on one T-shirt, how about
>having 4 different shirts?
>
>Shirt 1: Watch Your Back
>Shirt 2: Conserve Ammo
>Shirt 3: Shoot Straight
>Shirt 4: Never, Ever, Cut a Deal with a Dragon

You realize that an overwhelming majority would probably request shirt
4? Not to mention most shirt printing shops charge more for 25 each of
4 designs than they do for 100 of one design.
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Message no. 183 > I would almost be willing to do it. But anything I can come up with
> would be in the $20-$30(US) price range. And that seems to be more
> than people are willing to pay.

I can ask at my local T-shirt printers... he`s done me some pretty good
deals before. (Eg. 20 cotton shirts with a logo on the left breast, one
color print, cost me $AUS 8 per shirt... about $5 US per shirt. The cost
of more and bigger printing in multiple colours would be, I think,
largely offset by the increase in shirt numbers.

The big problem with this is that I`m in Australia, so you`d all have to
put up with either expensive postage (to have it couriered/air
freighted) or longer delays in postage. However, if the list is
desirous, I`d be happy to organise all this - but I ain`t doing the
artwork. ;)

> Instead of trying to fit all the pictures on one T-shirt, how about
> having 4 different shirts?

The problem with this is that this will be MUCH more expensive than just
4 times as many of one shirt. MUCH more expensive.

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 184 On 15 May 98, at 9:28, Ereskanti wrote:

> Just as a Warning...I probably am not going to hear much about the List
> Shirt in time before I do what I am considering doing. So for all those
> that do go to GenCon, I should be easy enough to spot...

Keith buddy, you sure have a knack for being vague. :)

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Message no. 185 On 15 May 98, at 7:43, David Buehrer wrote:

> BTW, I have an alternate art idea.
>
> Instead of trying to fit all the pictures on one T-shirt, how about
> having 4 different shirts?

I like the idea of one shirt better. Besides, 4 different shirts would be more
expensive.

> -OU812

Ok, I give. WTF?

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Message no. 186 At 07:43 AM 5/15/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Lady Jestyr wrote:
>/
>/ Anyway, what`s the status on the 98 shirt? Who`s organising it?
>
>I would almost be willing to do it. But anything I can come up with
>would be in the $20-$30(US) price range. And that seems to be more
>than people are willing to pay.

We should be able to keep the shirts down below $20 American.

>BTW, I have an alternate art idea.
>
>Instead of trying to fit all the pictures on one T-shirt, how about
>having 4 different shirts?

Nah. Don't like it, plus that will certainly increase the cost.

Why do we have to have more than one color?

I'm just imagining a black t-shirt with "ShadowRN - Pre-Awakened Forum" on
the front (I love that, worth the price of admission there) and on the back
four cartoonish, stick-figure drawings of the four sayings, all of which in
white?

It's simple. It's less expensive that using multiple colors. And the
basic style, if done right, might actually be vaguely hip. You know, like
those Pearl Jam "Jeremy" shirts or those "Talk to the hand!" shirts
that
are simple and cartoonish.

If the art is simple there's a better chance it will come through clearly
on a printed t-shirt. That's why the list photo concept simply won't fly.

As alternate t-shirt colors we could also do Forest Green, Navy, or
Burgundy. I've got t-shirts in all those colors, printed up for my old
college radio station, and they all look good (at least on me <smirk>).
Plus they are easier to wear in the sun than black (hey, some of us
actually do go outside sometimes).

I'm NOT taking charge of this little thing but I'll try to remember to look
at a t-shirt printing place tomorrow while I'm running errands so we can
have a better idea of costs and amount of time involved.

Erik J.

Who has too much to do with his job, boxing, paintball, setting up for a
new Shadowrun group next week and something called a "personal life" to
take this project over. Please.

Message no. 187 > I'm just imagining a black t-shirt with "ShadowRN - Pre-Awakened Forum" on
> the front (I love that, worth the price of admission there) and on the back
> four cartoonish, stick-figure drawings of the four sayings, all of which in
> white?

Blasphemer! The Back Shalt Have The Listmembers Names On It...

Seriously, I think a shirt without the list names on it would be
disappointing and not worth the money. (Witness this year`s shirt - the
two main gripes [apart from It`s Late!] were the colour of the shirt
(which I don`t mind) and the lack of names on the back (which I do
mind).

It just wouldn`t be a list shirt if it didn`t have the names on the
back...

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 188 At 12:01 PM 5/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On 15 May 98, at 9:28, Ereskanti wrote:
>
>> Just as a Warning...I probably am not going to hear much about the List
>> Shirt in time before I do what I am considering doing. So for all those
>> that do go to GenCon, I should be easy enough to spot...
>
>Keith buddy, you sure have a knack for being vague. :)

Why do I have this sudden fear that Keith will show up at GenCon dressed
like someone out of Men In Black and play on his "net.name"?

That would certainly make him 1) easy to spot and 2) easy to determine who
it is (or at least narrow the possible choices down to a few).

I was merely planning on wearing the list shirt and a Bablyon 5 hat at the
ComicCon...

Erik J.

"Oh, the silent helicopters and the men in black fatigues? They're just my
car pool to work."

Message no. 189 Oh no.

I just had an idea for the artwork for the t-shirt.

What if we did a t-shirt based on "Oh my God! They killed Dunkelzahn! You
bastards!!"

The front would probably still read "ShadowRN: Pre-Awakened Forum" and
might be in a font that would better match the South Park style.

The back, which in this case would be best if it were in color, would have
very cartoonish (ala South Park) shadowrunners on it, instead of Kenny &
Cartman, etc.

Basically the entire shirt would be a take-off on the similar South Park
t-shirt. Since we are just mimicking style and not necessarily content, I
think we would be free from any legal hassles, especially if no profit is
made (and we aren't supposed to do that anyway with this project).

Just think of how many people would be coming up to you (in the states at
least, where I know it's shown; it's made it to the UK hasn't it?) and
asking you about your shirt.

Not only would it be a great way to recognize each other but it would also
be a potentially great recruiting device for RN.

Plus, since it's too cool, I think a lot more people would be willing to
buy this particular t-shirt. Hell, I've got no artistic talent but I might
even try and see if I can make this thing, just for my own amusement.

How about it?

Erik J.

"Oh my God, they killed Dunkelzahn! You bastards!!!"

Message no. 190 At 01:14 AM 5/16/98 +1000, you wrote:

>I can ask at my local T-shirt printers... he`s done me some pretty good
>deals before. (Eg. 20 cotton shirts with a logo on the left breast, one
>color print, cost me $AUS 8 per shirt... about $5 US per shirt. The cost
>of more and bigger printing in multiple colours would be, I think,
>largely offset by the increase in shirt numbers.

Five dollars (approx) is an outstanding price.

>The big problem with this is that I`m in Australia, so you`d all have to
>put up with either expensive postage (to have it couriered/air
>freighted) or longer delays in postage. However, if the list is
>desirous, I`d be happy to organise all this - but I ain`t doing the
>artwork. ;)

Well, if we can get artwork agreed to by next week, and get all of the
orders with checks sent to you by the end of May, say the shirts are done
the first week of June, that gives about 6 weeks until GenCon. I would
think that would be enough time to get something sent from Oz to the
States. Maybe not. How much would air-freight be? I can't imagine that
upping the price beyond $20 American. I think most people would be willing
to cough up $20 for a good looking shirt that would arrive in time for the
summer's big Cons...

Hell, if done right, this could be a great looking summer paintball shirt
for me. I mean, the ideas of "Shoot Straight" and "Conserve Ammo" are
definitely perfect for paintball.

Look into the concept. It might work.

Erik J.

"Oh my God, they killed Dunkelzahn! You bastards!!!"

Message no. 191 >
> Oh no.
>
> I just had an idea for the artwork for the t-shirt.
>
> What if we did a t-shirt based on "Oh my God! They killed Dunkelzahn! You
> bastards!!"
>
> The front would probably still read "ShadowRN: Pre-Awakened Forum" and
> might be in a font that would better match the South Park style.
>
> The back, which in this case would be best if it were in color, would have
> very cartoonish (ala South Park) shadowrunners on it, instead of Kenny &
> Cartman, etc.
>
> Basically the entire shirt would be a take-off on the similar South Park
> t-shirt. Since we are just mimicking style and not necessarily content, I
> think we would be free from any legal hassles, especially if no profit is
> made (and we aren't supposed to do that anyway with this project).
>
> Just think of how many people would be coming up to you (in the states at
> least, where I know it's shown; it's made it to the UK hasn't it?) and
> asking you about your shirt.
>
> Not only would it be a great way to recognize each other but it would also
> be a potentially great recruiting device for RN.
>
> Plus, since it's too cool, I think a lot more people would be willing to
> buy this particular t-shirt. Hell, I've got no artistic talent but I might
> even try and see if I can make this thing, just for my own amusement.
>
> How about it?
>
> Erik J.
>
>
> "Oh my God, they killed Dunkelzahn! You bastards!!!"
>
I'm in, its one of the better ideas I've seen so far. :)
KISS is always a good principal to stick with. Actually my stepmother
runs a screen printing place. Probably could get a good deal, and she
does excellent work. If you could describe the art quite well, she could
draw it, or send her the artwork. Just a thought. I'll be in the process
of moving shortly, but I'd be glad to help out time permitting.
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Message no. 192 Tim Kerby wrote:
/
/ On 15 May 98, at 7:43, David Buehrer wrote:
/
/ > BTW, I have an alternate art idea.
/ >
/ > Instead of trying to fit all the pictures on one T-shirt, how about
/ > having 4 different shirts?
/
/ I like the idea of one shirt better. Besides, 4 different shirts would be more
/ expensive.
/
/ > -OU812
/
/ Ok, I give. WTF?

There's a one year difference in our age and you don't recognize the
Van Halen reference? <boggle>

It's also license plate shorthand for:

"Oh, you ate one too?"

One letter of the alphabet aint enought for me :)

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Message no. 193 At 03:52 AM 5/16/98 +1000, you wrote:
>> I'm just imagining a black t-shirt with "ShadowRN - Pre-Awakened Forum"
on
>> the front (I love that, worth the price of admission there) and on the back
>> four cartoonish, stick-figure drawings of the four sayings, all of which in
>> white?
>
>Blasphemer! The Back Shalt Have The Listmembers Names On It...

Honestly, why? I don't see any real reason to put our names on the shirt,
especially when that space can be better used for some good artwork. I
think it makes for a far more attractive shirt without the names.

If the shirt looks good (good color and good art), is inexpensive and is
on-time if not early, then I don't personally see a problem with it.

>It just wouldn`t be a list shirt if it didn`t have the names on the
>back...

I don't see why that's the case. I can remember the first few shirts, but
I've missed the last several. Maybe I'm not tied down by "tradition." But
I do know I want to make sure if I'm buying a list t-shirt I want it to
look good. If it doesn't look good, well, it doesn't make me look good.
And I have to look good you understand. Moral and ethical imperative.

Hmmm...

Okay, here's a thought, but it would make the t-shirts cost more.

The "ShadowRN: Pre-Awakened Forum" bit goes on the right sleeve of the
t-shirt. The front has whatever artwork we decide on. And on the back it
says something like "1998 Council Members" or "Team 1998" or something
like
that with the names of the people listed below it.

That I think I could live with.

Erik J.

"Oh my God, they killed Dunkelzahn! You bastards!!!"

Message no. 194 On 15 May 98, at 12:47, David Buehrer wrote regarding OU812:

> There's a one year difference in our age and you don't recognize the
> Van Halen reference? <boggle>

Doh! Now I remember... Of course, I stopped listening to VH when David Lee
Roth left.

> One letter of the alphabet aint enought for me :)

Me either. :)

-T2
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Message no. 195 On 15 May 98, at 14:06, Erik Jameson wrote:

> I just had an idea for the artwork for the t-shirt.
>
> What if we did a t-shirt based on "Oh my God! They killed Dunkelzahn!
> You bastards!!"
>
> The front would probably still read "ShadowRN: Pre-Awakened Forum" and
> might be in a font that would better match the South Park style.
>
> The back, which in this case would be best if it were in color, would have
> very cartoonish (ala South Park) shadowrunners on it, instead of Kenny &
> Cartman, etc.

LOL! I love it. The stick figures using the Shadowrun antem were my idea, but
I'd drop it in a heartbeat for something cool like this. You da' man, Erik.

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Message no. 196 > Basically the entire shirt would be a take-off on the similar South Park
> t-shirt. Since we are just mimicking style and not necessarily content, I
> think we would be free from any legal hassles, especially if no profit is
> made (and we aren't supposed to do that anyway with this project).

If the shirt is to be based on South Park..you can count me out..

--------------------------------GRANITE
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Message no. 197 On 15 May 98, at 14:41, GRANITE wrote:

> If the shirt is to be based on South Park..you can count me out..

Well, I'm not a big fan of South Park either, but the idea of a cartoony shirt has
also been appealing to me. Stick figures were a neat idea, and the cardboard
cutoff characters they use on South Park are just as simple and funny to me.
That is what I like about the idea, not that its based on South Park. (And the
fact that I like the phrase "They killed Dunklezahn, you bastards....") :)

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Message no. 198 At 02:41 PM 5/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> Basically the entire shirt would be a take-off on the similar South Park
>> t-shirt. Since we are just mimicking style and not necessarily content, I
>> think we would be free from any legal hassles, especially if no profit is
>> made (and we aren't supposed to do that anyway with this project).
>
>If the shirt is to be based on South Park..you can count me out..

Hey, it's just an idea at this point, Granite ol'chum. Don't like South Park?

I REALLY like the idea. So much so that I'll investigate the possibility
of doing these t-shirts anyway, even if they aren't the official list shirts.

Which means this weekend I'll have to muster up what little artistic talent
I have (which isn't much at all) and see what sort of art I can safely
swipe (i.e., what can I steal then alter so it's not the original image)
and slap it all together.

I've never bothered to set up my own web site, so I'll probably have to
send the files off to someone with a site that can display it for the list.

I imagine a cut-out backdrop of Seattle (including Space Needle, obviously)
with a troll samurai, and probably a decker and a shaman. Obvious
archetypes you know. Cartman the troll sam would have a single horn and
fangs and holding a PAC. The decker would be plugged into a cyberdeck.
The shaman would be the "back-to-nature" type. Then below the image would
be "Oh my God! They killed Dunkelzahn! Those bastards!!"

The front (or maybe back, I don't know) would, in order to keep FASA out of
it, would probably have to be "ShadowRN: Where you can kill dragons" or
something more amusing.

This shirt would be more expensive than the "normal" list shirt, simply
because it would have to be in color to do it right.

I can't promise anything, but I'll look into this amusing possibility this
weekend.

Erik J.

"Oh my God, they killed Dunkelzahn! You bastards!!!"

Message no. 199 At 03:00 PM 5/15/98 +1000, you wrote:
>Anyway, what`s the status on the 98 shirt? Who`s organising it?

Being relatively new to the list, I've a question - How may shirts are we
talking about? That will affect final cost greatly.

Hg
....an analog person, stuck, in a digital world

Message no. 200 In a message dated 5/15/98 11:02:09 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
drekhead@***.NET writes:

> > Just as a Warning...I probably am not going to hear much about the List
> > Shirt in time before I do what I am considering doing. So for all those
> > that do go to GenCon, I should be easy enough to spot...
>
> Keith buddy, you sure have a knack for being vague. :)
>
Call it a skill of mine ;) What I mean is that IF the List doesn't have a
"List Shirt", I am gonna make an "Unofficial One" all my own, and have
a "K"
on in such a way that anyone from the RN List will know exactly who I
am...which of course could likely result in a bunch of people jumping me for
all my *silly* ideas I put out...

-K

Message no. 201 > From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
> At 03:52 AM 5/16/98 +1000, you wrote:
> >> I'm just imagining a black t-shirt with "ShadowRN - Pre-Awakened
Forum" on
> >> the front (I love that, worth the price of admission there) and on the
back
> >> four cartoonish, stick-figure drawings of the four sayings, all of
which in
> >> white?
> >
> >Blasphemer! The Back Shalt Have The Listmembers Names On It...
>
> Honestly, why? I don't see any real reason to put our names on the
shirt,
> especially when that space can be better used for some good artwork. I
> think it makes for a far more attractive shirt without the names.
>
> If the shirt looks good (good color and good art), is inexpensive and is
> on-time if not early, then I don't personally see a problem with it.
>
> >It just wouldn`t be a list shirt if it didn`t have the names on the
> >back...
>
> I don't see why that's the case. I can remember the first few shirts,
but
> I've missed the last several. Maybe I'm not tied down by "tradition."
But
> I do know I want to make sure if I'm buying a list t-shirt I want it to
> look good. If it doesn't look good, well, it doesn't make me look good.
> And I have to look good you understand. Moral and ethical imperative.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Okay, here's a thought, but it would make the t-shirts cost more.
>
> The "ShadowRN: Pre-Awakened Forum" bit goes on the right sleeve of the
> t-shirt. The front has whatever artwork we decide on. And on the back
it
> says something like "1998 Council Members" or "Team 1998" or
something
like
> that with the names of the people listed below it.
>
> That I think I could live with.

I think that idea would work fine, but the names should definitely be there
IMHO it's par tof the nostalgia of it all.

Caric

Message no. 202 David Buehrer said on 7:43/15 May 98...

> Instead of trying to fit all the pictures on one T-shirt, how about
> having 4 different shirts?
>
> Shirt 1: Watch Your Back
> Shirt 2: Conserve Ammo
> Shirt 3: Shoot Straight
> Shirt 4: Never, Ever, Cut a Deal with a Dragon

No.

This idea means I'd have to buy four shirts (I need to keep my collection
complete :) and it'd drive the price up anyway -- each shirt would need a
separate screen to have it printed, so that would be four screens, plus
one for the back (assuming all shirts would have the same back print).
More different shirts would mean less printed of each, and thus a higher
price per shirt.

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Message no. 203 Erik Jameson said on 14:44/15 May 98...

> >Blasphemer! The Back Shalt Have The Listmembers Names On It...
>
> Honestly, why? I don't see any real reason to put our names on the shirt,
> especially when that space can be better used for some good artwork. I
> think it makes for a far more attractive shirt without the names.

I agree with Lady J., the shirt should have the names on the back of
everyone who buys a shirt. I don't buy that it'll be more attractive
without the names; all it needs is to be done right (unlike the 1996
shirt, which just had a very bland list of names and nothing else on the
back).

> Hmmm...
>
> Okay, here's a thought, but it would make the t-shirts cost more.
>
> The "ShadowRN: Pre-Awakened Forum" bit goes on the right sleeve of the
> t-shirt. The front has whatever artwork we decide on.

Woudln't it be easier (less expensive) to put both the "forum" text and
the artwork on the front?

> And on the back it says something like "1998 Council Members" or "Team
> 1998" or something like that with the names of the people listed below
> it.

That's the way the 1994 and 195 shirts were set up, more or less.

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Message no. 204 On Fri, 15 May 1998 17:14:43 -0400 Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET> writes:
>On 15 May 98, at 14:41, GRANITE wrote:
>> If the shirt is to be based on South Park..you can count me out..

>Well, I'm not a big fan of South Park either, but the idea of a cartoony
shirt >has also been appealing to me. Stick figures were a neat idea, and
the >cardboard cutoff characters they use on South Park are just as
simple and >funny to me. That is what I like about the idea, not that its
based on South >Park. (And the fact that I like the phrase "They killed
Dunklezahn, you >bastards....") :)
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I'm kind of un-easy about having a shadowrun list shirt designed based on
something unrelated ... (then again I haven't decided whether or not to
get a shirt ... have to wait at see the design ...) However, would you
draw a dead Dunkelzahn in South Park style?

Either way I reccommend either 1) keeping any such art on the front and
have a list of names on the back or 2) making any back artwork a
watermark so you can still use the whole back for the list of listmembers
... :)

BTW, What names will be printed? Like for example, with my name will it
be D.Ghost or Alfredo B. Alves, and will the email addy be included?

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum)

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Message no. 205 From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>

>I'm kind of un-easy about having a shadowrun list shirt designed based on
>something unrelated ... (then again I haven't decided whether or not to
>get a shirt ... have to wait at see the design ...) However, would you
>draw a dead Dunkelzahn in South Park style?

Somehow, I picture it looking like something from Monty Python.

That aside, I wouldn't be too interested in a South Park related T-shirt
myself.. I mean, I watch the show, but after seeing "Mr. Hankey" I'm not sure
I want to be announcing that to the general public. :)

Karl

Message no. 206 > Anyways, let's start from the beginning on this. Who can get shirts made?
> How much will they run? And who is willing to submit artwork? The artwork
> for the "Running RUles" was cute, but we couldn;t agree and it may be
> difficult to do with simple 2-4 color printing. We need something simple,
> and even if it's a single color drawing (cheaper printing), it could be
> cool... any takers?

I like the idea of a simple one color design thing is I can't draw very
well.
So the good folks on the list who draw will have to the that bit. IMO
these shirts should
be something that we use to make it know that we are members of
ShadowRN. If they become a
hassle and/or major expense... Nuff said

Message no. 207 Lehlan Decker wrote:
>
> >
> > Oh no.
> >
> > I just had an idea for the artwork for the t-shirt.
> >
> > What if we did a t-shirt based on "Oh my God! They killed Dunkelzahn! You
> > bastards!!"

Other than I loath South Park I don't see a problem with your idea.
Quite frankly I would not spend money for something like that.

> > Plus, since it's too cool, I think a lot more people would be willing to
> > buy this particular t-shirt. Hell, I've got no artistic talent but I might
> > even try and see if I can make this thing, just for my own amusement.

I'm not all that old but IMHO many of the other other animated series
would be better. Simpsons, King of the Hill or even Bevis and Butthead
are funnier and have more entertainment value.

Message no. 208 Gurth who has no real name pointed out:
> > >Blasphemer! The Back Shalt Have The Listmembers Names On It...
> >
> > Honestly, why? I don't see any real reason to put our names on the shirt,
> > especially when that space can be better used for some good artwork. I
> > think it makes for a far more attractive shirt without the names.
>
> I agree with Lady J., the shirt should have the names on the back of
> everyone who buys a shirt. I don't buy that it'll be more attractive
> without the names; all it needs is to be done right (unlike the 1996
> shirt, which just had a very bland list of names and nothing else on the
> back).
What about Artwork on the back and the names over it... maybe with
some whacky old .sig quotes from whoever bought one??? If you do this
in the right style of writing it can look good, if you don't...
Or we can do a really big letter-style Carp from the names of
everyone...
<gets carried away by men in white coats>
or even a w**dch*ck or, or.....
<voice trailing away into the distance>
<bald man in white enters>
finally we've got him, thank you listmembers, and remember, there's a
real life out there ;)

--R

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Message no. 209 Here's my thoughts on this whole mess :]

1) Names seem to be a must, and I agree... Call me egotistical, but I
WANT to see my handle and e-mail on the back :]

2) KISS applies to all things, including this :] SImple design on the
front, list of names on the back... A dark color for the shirt (Blue or
black :)). We're good to go :]

Bull

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Message no. 210 Raven said on 19:43/16 May 98...

> What about Artwork on the back and the names over it... maybe with
> some whacky old .sig quotes from whoever bought one??? If you do this
> in the right style of writing it can look good, if you don't...

There's no room. With the 1996 shirt, there was barely enough room to put
everyone's name and address on the back, with the result that it was
much too plain for my taste -- it looked like a bit of a rush job, which
isn't good, IMHO. Just the names will take up enough space, I think, going
by the previous shirts.

> Or we can do a really big letter-style Carp from the names of
> everyone...

:)

You know what, I'll dig up my designs for the 1995 shirt (which were the
ones used), convert them to GIF or JPEG, and put them up on my page.
Better do it before uploading my mail, else I'll forget...

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Message no. 211 And verily, did GRANITE hastily scribble thusly...
|
|> Basically the entire shirt would be a take-off on the similar South Park
|> t-shirt. Since we are just mimicking style and not necessarily content, I
|> think we would be free from any legal hassles, especially if no profit is
|> made (and we aren't supposed to do that anyway with this project).
|
|If the shirt is to be based on South Park..you can count me out..

Oh come on Granite...
Once you get past the incredibly crap animation (usually reserved for 6 year
olds), it ca be quite funny sometimes.
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|I'm not all that old but IMHO many of the other other animated series
|would be better. Simpsons, King of the Hill or even Bevis and Butthead
|are funnier and have more entertainment value.
|

Agreed, excluding Bevis and Butthead, which are IMNSHO the most utter crappy
thing ever to leave the american continent.

How about something with a Mage accidentally catching his friends in a Hell
BLast and saying "D'OH!"?
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Message no. 213 And verily, did Karl Low hastily scribble thusly...
|That aside, I wouldn't be too interested in a South Park related T-shirt
|myself.. I mean, I watch the show, but after seeing "Mr. Hankey" I'm not sure
|I want to be announcing that to the general public. :)

That episode's on SKY ONE next weekend....
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Message no. 214 >How about something with a Mage accidentally catching his friends in
>a HellBLast and saying "D'OH!"?

How about Homer munching away on a bag of green goo and saying
"FAB! Mmmmm!"

Double-Domed Mike

Message no. 215 And verily, did Mike Elkins hastily scribble thusly...
|
|>How about something with a Mage accidentally catching his friends in
|>a HellBLast and saying "D'OH!"?
|
|How about Homer munching away on a bag of green goo and saying
|"FAB! Mmmmm!"

More usually it's "Mmmmmmm, FAB, <drool>"
:)

Or how about a runner shouting "Eat My Shorts" at the sec guards?
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Message no. 216 >|How about Homer munching away on a bag of green goo and saying
>|"FAB! Mmmmm!"
>
>More usually it's "Mmmmmmm, FAB, <drool>"
>:)

D'OH!

Double-Domed Mike

Message no. 217 Spike wrote:
/
/ And verily, did Mike Elkins hastily scribble thusly...
/ |
/ |>How about something with a Mage accidentally catching his friends in
/ |>a HellBLast and saying "D'OH!"?
/ |
/ |How about Homer munching away on a bag of green goo and saying
/ |"FAB! Mmmmm!"
/
/ More usually it's "Mmmmmmm, FAB, <drool>"
/ :)
/
/ Or how about a runner shouting "Eat My Shorts" at the sec guards?

How about a decker saying "Yoink" as he swipes a data file? :)

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Message no. 218 At 04:58 PM 5/18/98 +0100, you wrote:

>|How about Homer munching away on a bag of green goo and saying
>|"FAB! Mmmmm!"
>
>More usually it's "Mmmmmmm, FAB, <drool>"
>:)
>
>Or how about a runner shouting "Eat My Shorts" at the sec guards?

You know, if this idea had come about ten years ago, when the Simpsons were
hot, I would have been all over it. It's still amusing though.

Seriously though, I withdraw my idea of South Park Shadowrunners for the
official list shirt. Seems too many people dislike the idea to make it
worth it.

For the list shirt I vote for the SR saying in stick figures on the front,
with the list names on the back.

I will be, over the next month, trying to design my own South Park
Shadowrunners t-shirt, simply because I really like the idea and would be
willing to wear a t-shirt like that (and I don't wear many t-shirts anymore).

If you are serious about wanting one of those t-shirts, e-mail me PRIVATELY
and I'll keep you informed as to my progress. When the time comes, I'll
let you know how much the shirts would be and I'll be collecting money and
addresses.

Expect it to not be cheap however, since it would be a small run of shirts
and would be in nearly full color.

Now back to normal (hah!) list business.

Erik J.

Fight the Future on June 19th!

Message no. 219 Spike has written

> Agreed, excluding Bevis and Butthead, which are IMNSHO the most utter crappy
> thing ever to leave the american continent.
>
> How about something with a Mage accidentally catching his friends in a Hell
> BLast and saying "D'OH!"?
<sarcasm>Yeah and make it bold an yellow with a big belly... Homer
'Comabt Mage' Simpson on his daily workout</sarcasm>
No really I like the idea, but not with a D'OH

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Message no. 220 Spike wrote:
>
> And verily, did Sheldon Rose hastily scribble thusly...
> |I'm not all that old but IMHO many of the other other animated series
> |would be better. Simpsons, King of the Hill or even Bevis and Butthead
> |are funnier and have more entertainment value.

King of the Hill? Blah. I've watched it several times just to see if I
found any amusement potential at all. Needless to say, I haven't. I
guess I just don't get it, seeing as I don't like in Texas.

--Jett

Message no. 221 > Oh come on Granite...
> Once you get past the incredibly crap animation (usually reserved for 6 year
> olds), it ca be quite funny sometimes.

I cannot claim to be a SP expert or anything..But I have seen a few
episodes [while at a friend's house] including the Mr Hanky Christmas
Special..And I will admit that there are a few laughs in
there..Overall, however, I find SP to be vulger and base..I am not
entertained by that sort of thing..

On another note..Since I had a comment about someone elses idea..I
figured that I should come up with something..and it is coming along
quite nicely..My proposal should be ready in a day or two..If someone
out there would be so kind as to volunteer to put it up on thier web
page I would be very greatful...Mine is based loosly on the originall
concept of using the SR street proverbs...but no stick figures...
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
===============================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
===============================================
Kind of a bummer. Gettin' your butt kicked by a dead guy.
- Lt Col McQueen
Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To See Them Driven Before You,
To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan

Message no. 222 Being relatively new to the list, I've a question - How may shirts are we
talking about? That will affect final cost greatly as well as any design
ideas for the back.

Hg
....an analog person, stuck, in a digital world

Message no. 223 >|How about Homer munching away on a bag of green goo and saying
>|"FAB! Mmmmm!"
>
>More usually it's "Mmmmmmm, FAB, <drool>"
>:)

"Mmmmmmm, AmberGel", though dated, would be a more SR reference.

Wordman

Message no. 224 Wordman wrote:

> >|How about Homer munching away on a bag of green goo and saying
> >|"FAB! Mmmmm!"
> >
> >More usually it's "Mmmmmmm, FAB, <drool>"
> >:)
>
> "Mmmmmmm, AmberGel", though dated, would be a more SR reference.

Now THIS I like. :)

Caric

Message no. 225 And verily, did Erik Jameson hastily scribble thusly...
|
|At 04:58 PM 5/18/98 +0100, you wrote:
|
|>|How about Homer munching away on a bag of green goo and saying
|>|"FAB! Mmmmm!"
|>
|>More usually it's "Mmmmmmm, FAB, <drool>"
|>:)
|>
|>Or how about a runner shouting "Eat My Shorts" at the sec guards?
|
|You know, if this idea had come about ten years ago, when the Simpsons were
|hot, I would have been all over it. It's still amusing though.

Ten years ago we didn't HAVE The Simpsons.
They've only been on over here for a couple of years....

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Message no. 226 And verily, did Jessica Grota hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Spike wrote:
|>
|> And verily, did Sheldon Rose hastily scribble thusly...
|> |I'm not all that old but IMHO many of the other other animated series
|> |would be better. Simpsons, King of the Hill or even Bevis and Butthead
|> |are funnier and have more entertainment value.
|
|
|King of the Hill? Blah. I've watched it several times just to see if I
|found any amusement potential at all. Needless to say, I haven't. I
|guess I just don't get it, seeing as I don't like in Texas.

What's living in Texas got to do with anything?
It has its amusing moments, and I live in England.
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Message no. 227 In a message dated 98-05-19 06:58:09 EDT, you write:

<< |King of the Hill? Blah. I've watched it several times just to see if I
|found any amusement potential at all. Needless to say, I haven't. I
|guess I just don't get it, seeing as I don't like in Texas.

What's living in Texas got to do with anything?
It has its amusing moments, and I live in England. >>

Not to mention I live in Texas and don't find it funny....

Nexx

Message no. 228 GRANITE wrote:
/
/ On another note..Since I had a comment about someone elses idea..I
/ figured that I should come up with something..and it is coming along
/ quite nicely..My proposal should be ready in a day or two..If someone
/ out there would be so kind as to volunteer to put it up on thier web
/ page I would be very greatful...Mine is based loosly on the originall
/ concept of using the SR street proverbs...but no stick figures...

I've got 4 megs on my web site that I'm not using. I'll volunteer to
put you your idea :)

-David
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Message no. 229 Regarding T'shirt designs I vote to have the ShadowRunner's Serenity
Prayer(from Granite's sig see below(with his/the Authors permission)) on
the T'Shirt.

maybe some thing like:
_____________ BACK _____________
| \_____/ |
| Shadowrunners |
| Serenity Prayer |
|________ ________|
| List |
| Of |
| Names |
| |
| |
| |
|_______________|

I don't Know about the front.

GRANITE wrote
<SNIP>
>--------------------------------GRANITE
> "Rock Steady"
>===============================================
>Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
>The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
>And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
>Because They Pissed Me Off.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
>===============================================

-Matthew Waddilove

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Message no. 230 If that's what the shirt will be like, you can definitely count me in!

----------
> From: Matthew Waddilove <m_waddilove@*******.COM>
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: T-Shirts
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 8:29 AM
>
> Regarding T'shirt designs I vote to have the ShadowRunner's Serenity
> Prayer(from Granite's sig see below(with his/the Authors permission)) on
> the T'Shirt.
>
> maybe some thing like:
> _____________ BACK _____________
> | \_____/ |
> | Shadowrunners |
> | Serenity Prayer |
> |________ ________|
> | List |
> | Of |
> | Names |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> |_______________|
>
> I don't Know about the front.
>
>
> GRANITE wrote
> <SNIP>
> >--------------------------------GRANITE
> > "Rock Steady"
> >===============================================
> >Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
> >The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
> >And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
> >Because They Pissed Me Off.
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
> >===============================================
>
>
> -Matthew Waddilove
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
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Message no. 231 At 08:29 19/05/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Regarding T'shirt designs I vote to have the ShadowRunner's Serenity
>Prayer(from Granite's sig see below(with his/the Authors permission)) on
>the T'Shirt.

Nothing wrong with it really, but I've seen the prayer so many times in the
past couple years that it's rather trite. Certainly not as good as some of
the other ideas that have been bounced around the list.

-Adam J
Never met a 'Shadowrunner' that prays anyways..
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Message no. 232 > I've got 4 megs on my web site that I'm not using. I'll volunteer
> to put you your idea :)

Thank you most kindly..However, Ereskanti volunteered first..and
somehow it doesn't seem efficient to have to pics all over in
different machines..but if you would link to the pics..I would
appreciate it...Thanks..

--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
===============================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
===============================================
Kind of a bummer. Gettin' your butt kicked by a dead guy.
- Lt Col McQueen
Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To See Them Driven Before You,
To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan

Message no. 233 >(from Granite's sig see below(with his/the Authors permission))

I would not be so bold as to either give permission or deny it..
I am not the author..I only tweeked my version by a few of words
from the version of it I found in the NSA compys from when I worked
there..So it would have to be done by vote..Although I am not sure
there would be room for it..
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
===============================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
===============================================
Kind of a bummer. Gettin' your butt kicked by a dead guy.
- Lt Col McQueen
Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To See Them Driven Before You,
To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan

Message no. 234 >Here's my thoughts on this whole mess :]
>
>1) Names seem to be a must, and I agree... Call me egotistical, but I
>WANT to see my handle and e-mail on the back :]
>
>2) KISS applies to all things, including this :] SImple design on the
>front, list of names on the back... A dark color for the shirt (Blue
or
>black :)). We're good to go :]
>

Seconded. And no South Park. Stupid show, will make the shirt look
dated in short order.

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...

Message no. 235 > > Re: T-Shirts(Wordman , Tue 0:56)

I've always wanted one of the "T-shirts" that TechDair is wearing in
Prime runners (the picture is also on P.48 of the Companion)- a Circular
Celtic patern inside a gear, with several slugs imbedded in it (TD's
version is a BPvest). I could actually do that art, in one color,
pretty well. No text on the front, unless people think this might get
you in trouble at airports (IRA and all).

The"Serenity Prayer" back would work well with this <g>, as would
the
"4 rules", space allowing (really tiny font, 3 collums?)

-Mongoose X

Message no. 236 Are there any extra shirts left over? I might wanna get one, depending on
how broke I am in the near future ;-) Did ya say you had a pic of the
graphic posted somewhere?
-Runeweaver, one of many Addams ;-)

Message no. 237 In a message dated 8/21/1998 8:33:42 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
runeweaver@********.NET writes:

> Are there any extra shirts left over? I might wanna get one, depending on
> how broke I am in the near future ;-) Did ya say you had a pic of the
> graphic posted somewhere?
> -Runeweaver, one of many Addams ;-)

YES! You can order another one. Information and links to pictures/images are
found at ...

http://members.aol.com/ereskanti/rnorders.htm

-K (assuming of course that Mongoose hasn't taken down his images at this
time)

Message no. 238 >> Are there any extra shirts left over? I might wanna get one, depending on
>> how broke I am in the near future ;-) Did ya say you had a pic of the
>> graphic posted somewhere?
>> -Runeweaver, one of many Addams ;-)
>
>YES! You can order another one. Information and links to pictures/images
are
>found at ...
>
>http://members.aol.com/ereskanti/rnorders.htm
>
>-K (assuming of course that Mongoose hasn't taken down his images at this
>time)
>

Not only is it still up, but I updated the art on that page. The old
stuff was "layed out by primitive tribesman"- the new stuff is actual
thumbnails of the finished art overlaid on the appropriate color. The
difference? Well, the text layout on my sketch is (slightly) different from
the finished version, and since I just floodfilled the old ones, they have a
lot of "ghost pixels".
I'll keep the URL up, although it might eventually have updated text to
reflect the finished nature of the project, and a scanned photo of me in the
shirt (or just a scanned shirt).

Mongoose

Message no. 239 In a message dated 8/21/98 8:33:42 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
runeweaver@********.NET writes:

> Are there any extra shirts left over? I might wanna get one, depending on
> how broke I am in the near future ;-) Did ya say you had a pic of the
> graphic posted somewhere?

Guys, with sufficient notice ahead of time, the place making the tshirts can
make more tshirts.

-Herc
------ The Best Mechanic you can ever have.

Message no. 240 In a message dated 8/22/1998 5:38:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
evamarie@**********.net writes:

> I'll keep the URL up, although it might eventually have updated text to
> reflect the finished nature of the project, and a scanned photo of me in
the
> shirt (or just a scanned shirt).
>
That's cool, and whenever I finally get the scanner and printer switched
around here, I can upload the images that Mike and I have from the Gencon
(including the group photo, which was MUCH larger than last years IIRC).

-K

Message no. 241 Mongoose wrote:

> Not only is it still up, but I updated the art on that page. The old
> stuff was "layed out by primitive tribesman"- the new stuff is actual
> thumbnails of the finished art overlaid on the appropriate color. The
> difference? Well, the text layout on my sketch is (slightly) different from
> the finished version, and since I just floodfilled the old ones, they have a
> lot of "ghost pixels".
> I'll keep the URL up, although it might eventually have updated text to
> reflect the finished nature of the project, and a scanned photo of me in the
> shirt (or just a scanned shirt).

Hey, since I'm on this list (and that's not very long...) I read about those
t-shirts... Could anybody explain to me what kind of t-shirts it is you are
always talking about? (Newbie is getting on your nerves, I know...;-) )

Blix

Message no. 242 > Hey, since I'm on this list (and that's not very long...) I read about those
> t-shirts... Could anybody explain to me what kind of t-shirts it is you are
> always talking about? (Newbie is getting on your nerves, I know...;-) )

Well it is the "official shadowRN" t-shirt .. like something you were
on your upperbody in real life.

Wow I responded to a mail again ... did ya miss me ? :)

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Message no. 243 In a message dated 8/22/1998 3:40:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, WiebkeT@**
ONLINE.DE writes:

>
> Hey, since I'm on this list (and that's not very long...) I read about
those
> t-shirts... Could anybody explain to me what kind of t-shirts it is you are
> always talking about? (Newbie is getting on your nerves, I know...;-) )
>
> Blix

They are the ShadowRN List Member (partial listing anyway) T-Shirts. They are
an annual thing, and this year, I was the (un?)lucky supervisor for such.
Mongoose wound up being the artist whose design(s) won out (we voted). There
are still several shirts that can be purchased, and I would honestly enjoy (as
would the people I made the business arrangements with ;) more of them being
purchased, as it helps out the agreement overall. AND, if I do take up the
job again next year (looking into the concept of two or more colors more
seriously for example), then it would help our overall reputation with a set
business locale as well.

-K

Message no. 244 Mongoose wrote:

> Not only is it still up, but I updated the art on that page. The old
> stuff was "layed out by primitive tribesman"- the new stuff is actual
> thumbnails of the finished art overlaid on the appropriate color. The
> difference? Well, the text layout on my sketch is (slightly) different from
> the finished version, and since I just floodfilled the old ones, they have a
> lot of "ghost pixels".
> I'll keep the URL up, although it might eventually have updated text to
> reflect the finished nature of the project, and a scanned photo of me in the
> shirt (or just a scanned shirt).
>
> Mongoose

The image of the back is there all right, but the other two images seem to be
missing...

Blix

Message no. 245 anyone have any info on the date they are gonna be shipped? i moved to
tampa and havent had a chance to catch up on the info.
--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy

Message no. 246 Okay folks, here's the final gist on my end of things. I'm out of the potential shirt
producing side of things. I'm just not ready to go through all of that again, especially
given the lack of apparent, *SERIOUS*, interest in them this year and the approaching
times that would be needed to be met in order to have them done in comfortable amount of
time for Gencon.

-K (Hoosier Hacker House)

Message no. 247 According to Adam Jury, on Mon, 17 Feb 2003 the word on the street was...

> Plus, I want new Shadowrun t-shirts.

Yeah, that '99 list shirt must be wearing pretty thin by now... Though I
doubt we have enough people here now to do another one :(

But if we do another one, my vote is (once again) for a carp.

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From: "Graht" <davidb@****.imcprint.com>
To: "Shadowrun Discussion" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: Shadowrun: Duels, I'm really confused then, so I quit

> At 04:24 PM 2/17/2003 -0500, Adam Jury wrote:
>
> >Plus, I want new Shadowrun t-shirts.
>
> <tongue in cheek>
>
> ...you know, if we start working on the 2003 T-shirts now, they
should be
> ready in time for GenCon 2003...
>
> Just a sec, my gun is ringing.
>
> "Hello?"
>
> <BANG!>
>
> </tongue in cheek>
>
> For those who don't get it, I produced the 1999? GenCon ShadowRN
> T-shirts. After having had a few years to recover I'm vaguely
interested
> in doing them again, kinda, sorta.
>
> --
> To Life,
> -Graht
> ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
> http://www.graht.com

Can I get twon sent to Israel?

Opher Lubzens
"The pessimists are usually correct but the optimists have more fun"- Robert A.
Heinlin

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Message no. 249 At 10:21 AM 2/18/2003 -0800, Opher Lubzens wrote:

> > ..I produced the 1999? GenCon ShadowRN
> > T-shirts. After having had a few years to recover I'm vaguely interested
> > in doing them again, kinda, sorta.
> >
> > -Graht
>
>Can I get twon sent to Israel?

I'm sorry, I don't have any of the 1999 ShadowRN T-shirts left.

--
To Life,
-Graht
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
http://www.graht.com

Message no. 250 "My boss is a Great Western Dragon."

"Got Foci/BTLs/Combat Pool/SURGE?"

Shirts that say "I am a (member of)..."
"Knight Errant"
"Tir Ghost"
"Sioux Wildcat"
"The Banded"
"The Seraphim"

"Don't blame me. I voted for Brackhaven!"

"Whenever I see Anne Penchyk I just _bug out_!"

-Matt/Pickle/Jew-Pac

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