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Message no. 1
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:13:31 +0100
It's about that time of year again that we should start thinking about the
anual list shirt, if we want to get it finished before the summer (on the
northern hemisphere, anyway :)

So, any ideas for what should be on it, apart from the obligatory list of
names of T-shirt buyers, of course?

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Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:50:50 -0700 (MST)
Gurth wrote:
/
/ It's about that time of year again that we should start thinking about the
/ anual list shirt, if we want to get it finished before the summer (on the
/ northern hemisphere, anyway :)

You just had to open the floodgates didn't you :)

/ So, any ideas for what should be on it, apart from the obligatory list of
/ names of T-shirt buyers, of course?

How about a picture of little baby Mulvihill below the Shadowrun logo
with the caption "ShadowRN: The future is out there."

-David B.
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Message no. 3
From: Tim Kerby drekhead@***.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:53:41 -0500
On 19 Mar 99, at 12:50, David Buehrer wrote:

> How about a picture of little baby Mulvihill below the Shadowrun logo with
> the caption "ShadowRN: The future is out there."

I'd still like to see the stick figure idea that we tried last year.

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Message no. 4
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:57:47 -0500
Gurth wrote:
> It's about that time of year again that we should start thinking about the
>
> anual list shirt, if we want to get it finished before the summer (on the
> northern hemisphere, anyway :)
>
> So, any ideas for what should be on it, apart from the obligatory list of
> names of T-shirt buyers, of course?
>
I think the design should reflect the year in some way - in what way,
I don't know, but I'll happily contribute to the list of Big Changes
that have happened this year:

In RL:
The big changes in RL this year were the release of SR3, the launch of
shadowrun.html.com, and the moving of the list. If people want to make
it more FASA-oriented, the demise of ED (and release of Dragons!) are
of particular note (not to forget the sale of FI and the introduction
of CS and Vor)...

In SR:
Renraku is the only really big thing I can think of ATM...

James Ojaste
Message no. 5
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:28:09 -0500
Once upon a time, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote;

>In SR:
>Renraku is the only really big thing I can think of ATM...

ShadowRN Mallrats anyone?
Message no. 6
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:31:39 -0700 (MST)
Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote:
/
/ I think the design should reflect the year in some way - in what way,
/ I don't know, but I'll happily contribute to the list of Big Changes
/ that have happened this year:
/
/ In RL:
/ The big changes in RL this year were the release of SR3, the launch of
/ shadowrun.html.com

How about a stick figure burried under a pile of rulebooks and
sourcebooks asking, "Is it possible to be _to_ prepared?" with the caption
"Shadowrun GM: Circa 1999"

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Message no. 7
From: Arno R. Lehmann arlehma@***.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 99 20:49:48 +0200
On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:13:31 +0100, Gurth wrote:

>It's about that time of year again that we should start thinking about the
>anual list shirt, if we want to get it finished before the summer (on the
>northern hemisphere, anyway :)

Nice to remind me... does anyone know if Keith is about to send the
missing shirts to Europe some day? Keith? I still did not get mine...
:-(

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Message no. 8
From: Ed equine@******.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:16:35 -0600
It needs to be black!! :) I can only wear black shirts or I get a really
bad rash.

Has anything been done to the tune of the elections? I think a vote for
Dunkelzahn shirt would be cool. Sure we all know what happened to him but
I would still like to have one.

Ed

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Message no. 9
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:41:24 +1000
>It's about that time of year again that we should start thinking about the
>anual list shirt, if we want to get it finished before the summer (on the
>northern hemisphere, anyway :)

Geez, that time already?! (Tamino, Slipspeed and I still don't even have
our '98 shirts yet...)

>So, any ideas for what should be on it, apart from the obligatory list of
>names of T-shirt buyers, of course?

I must say, I'd be in favor of just the remodelled SR3 Shadowrun "S" on a
black shirt.


Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 10
From: Lehlan Decker DeckerL@******.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:52:32 -0500
>I must say, I'd be in favor of just the remodelled SR3
>Shadowrun "S" on a black shirt.

I like that idea. If Fasa doesn't mind that is.
Elegant, yet hi-tech. So far its got my vote.
Message no. 11
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:12:50 -0500
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At 11:13 AM 3/19/99 +0100, Gurth wrote:
>So, any ideas for what should be on it, apart from the obligatory
list of
>names of T-shirt buyers, of course?

This was mentioned a while back, but didn't someone nominate a
cyberpunkish drawing of Hello Kitty to be a possible design for this
year's shirt?

Of course, someone would have to draw one first, which may be a
problem.

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Message no. 12
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:08:48 +1000
At 11:41 20/03/99 +1000 Lady Jestyr wrote
>
>Geez, that time already?! (Tamino, Slipspeed and I still don't even have
>our '98 shirts yet...)

:( That's pretty poor form considering GenCon was 7 months ago.

>
>>So, any ideas for what should be on it, apart from the obligatory list of
>>names of T-shirt buyers, of course?
>
>I must say, I'd be in favor of just the remodelled SR3 Shadowrun "S" on a
>black shirt.
>Lady Jestyr

Hey I'd go for the cover of a BABY. The electric blue SR3 "S" on a black
shirt.
Perhaps even the "Where man meets magic and machine." beneath it.
It'd even be cool to have your BABY # on the back near your name too.

Manx
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Message no. 13
From: B.Blackbrain BillT@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:16:03 -0800
On 3/20/99 Manx wrote:

> Hey I'd go for the cover of a BABY. The electric blue SR3 "S" on a black
> shirt.
> Perhaps even the "Where man meets magic and machine." beneath it.
> It'd even be cool to have your BABY # on the back near your name too.
>

I like the new logo on a black shirt idea, but how about using "It's
2060, do you know where your meat body is?" instead of Wmmmam.

Even though I'm not a breeder (no BABY), I think that BABY #'s should go
with the names as well.

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Message no. 14
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:29:43 -0500
MC23 wrote:

> Once upon a time, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote;
>
> >In SR:
> >Renraku is the only really big thing I can think of ATM...
>
> ShadowRN Mallrats anyone?

YES! Mallrats rules! Snootchie Bootchies!

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Message no. 15
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:42:21 -0600
On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:12:50 -0500 Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.com>
writes:
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>At 11:13 AM 3/19/99 +0100, Gurth wrote:
>>So, any ideas for what should be on it, apart from the obligatory list
of
>>names of T-shirt buyers, of course?

>This was mentioned a while back, but didn't someone nominate a
>cyberpunkish drawing of Hello Kitty to be a possible design for this
>year's shirt?

I thought YOU did that...

>Of course, someone would have to draw one first, which may be a
>problem.

I think someone mentioned that could incur copyright problems ... I
SHOULD be able do it though if we can be certain there will be no
copyright problems ...

Does that make the list's logo "Where Hello Kitty meets magic and
machine?"
=^.^
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Message no. 16
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:21:54 -0500
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At 09:42 PM 3/19/99 -0600, dghost@****.com wrote:
>>This was mentioned a while back, but didn't someone nominate a
>>cyberpunkish drawing of Hello Kitty to be a possible design for this
>>year's shirt?
>
>I thought YOU did that...

Me? No, I was just looking for a piece of Cyberpunk Hello Kitty art,
someone _else_ said "Wow, that's a cool idea for the list shirt." :)

>>Of course, someone would have to draw one first, which may be a
>>problem.
>
>I think someone mentioned that could incur copyright problems ... I
>SHOULD be able do it though if we can be certain there will be no
>copyright problems ...

I believe that this would fall under the category of parody. Plus I
hardly see us being a threat by any means to legitimate Hello Kitty
market share. Besides, isn't the list shirt an entirely non-profit
effort?

If this were being done in large volumes, and to make money by taking
away sales directly from official Hello Kitty merchandise, then I
could see the lawyers coming after us over it, but as is, we wouldn't
be worth wasting lawyer's billable hours on. It's not like anyone on
the list has piles and piles of money to make a tempting lawsuit
target.

It's true that there have been lawsuits over t-shirts that were
intended as obvious parodies, in recent history. The most recent one
that comes to mind was when children's television icon, Mr. Rogers,
sued Gadzooks Clothing Stores over a t-shirt featuring everyone's
favorite sweater wearing neighbor wielding a .44 magnum revolver.
However, that lawsuit involved a large national store chain, with
several dozen stores each selling the shirts by the caseload.

>Does that make the list's logo "Where Hello Kitty meets magic and
>machine?"
>=^.^
It's certainly appropriate for this particular t-shirt design.

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Message no. 17
From: Michael Carvalho ianvs@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:52:16 -0500
Once upon a time, Ed wrote;

>It needs to be black!! :) I can only wear black shirts or I get a really
>bad rash.
>
>Has anything been done to the tune of the elections? I think a vote for
>Dunkelzahn shirt would be cool. Sure we all know what happened to him but
>I would still like to have one.

I was thinking about something like that but in the form of year
flashbacks.
The year is 2060
Chicago has been nuked
A dragon has been elected President
The great 8 has fallen
etc.

but I didn't think there was much of a message for nonlist members to be
intrigued by.

How about "Shadowrun, it's not about Woodchucks"
Message no. 18
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:54:39 -0600
:Gurth wrote:
:> It's about that time of year again that we should start thinking about
the
:>
:> anual list shirt, if we want to get it finished before the summer (on
the
:> northern hemisphere, anyway :)
:>
:> So, any ideas for what should be on it, apart from the obligatory list
of
:> names of T-shirt buyers, of course?


I'm still obsessed with the idea of "Hello Kitty" as a Shadowrunner.
I'd LOVE to have a "Hello Kitty" type t-shirt to wear at Gencon, maybe
even in a baby blue or cutie pie pink...
I'm envisioning Kitty with a the classic "stare down my revolver"
pose, datajack cable running to the gun, and Chromed eyes, and maybe
Keropi on the side with a cyberdeck and Cyberarm.
I can't take credit for the idea, though- I think it was Lady J's...
And hey, it wouldn't scare of potential dates like most gaming /
computer related t-shirts do...

Mongoose
Message no. 19
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:23:15 -0800
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth

Subject: T-shirt time!


It's about that time of year again that we should start thinking about the
annual list shirt, if we want to get it finished before the summer (in the
northern hemisphere, anyway :)


Those native English speakers among us will groan at the inevitable pun on
'shirt list'. Beyond the fact that I want one (of course) I don't have any
other suggestions, which is perhaps just as well. --Anders
Message no. 20
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:51:18 -0600
On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:54:39 -0600 "Mongoose" <m0ng005e@*********.com>
writes:
<SNIP>
> I'm still obsessed with the idea of "Hello Kitty" as a Shadowrunner.
>I'd LOVE to have a "Hello Kitty" type t-shirt to wear at Gencon, maybe
>even in a baby blue or cutie pie pink...
> I'm envisioning Kitty with a the classic "stare down my revolver"
>pose, datajack cable running to the gun, and Chromed eyes, and maybe
>Keropi on the side with a cyberdeck and Cyberarm.

Keropi? `splain. :)

> I can't take credit for the idea, though- I think it was Lady J's...

I can't remember who suggested it as the list shirt...

> And hey, it wouldn't scare of potential dates like most gaming /
>computer related t-shirts do...

I wouldn't be too sure about that ... &:)

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Message no. 21
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:03:10 +1000
>> I'm envisioning Kitty with a the classic "stare down my revolver"
>>pose, datajack cable running to the gun, and Chromed eyes, and maybe
>>Keropi on the side with a cyberdeck and Cyberarm.
>
>Keropi? `splain. :)

Keroppi is a small cutesy-pie Japanese anime frog, done by the same folk
who brought you Hello Kitty, Badz Maru, etc etc.

>> I can't take credit for the idea, though- I think it was Lady J's...
>
>I can't remember who suggested it as the list shirt...

Not me - my vote is for the SR3-vintage Shadowrun S (not the blue one off
the BABY, that's too plain) on a black shirt. Simple, elegant and
to-the-point.

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 22
From: Damon Harper nomad74@*******.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:32:39 PST
>Not me - my vote is for the SR3-vintage Shadowrun S (not the blue one
off
>the BABY, that's too plain) on a black shirt. Simple, elegant and
>to-the-point.

What's all this BABY stuff about anywho?

My vote is to keep it simple, but with a nice, catchy tag line.
Either the "Where man meets magic and machine" line, or something more
comical like "Hey, Lofwyr, hoard THIS!"(sorry, just a random thought
after thumbing through Dragons).
The line, regardless of mood, should be done in the all-too-used-up
"grainy typewriter X-files" type lettering.
And of course, I hope the list will forgive me if I refuse to have
anything to with Hello Kitty- parody or no. :)

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Message no. 23
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:13:17 +1000
>>I think someone mentioned that could incur copyright problems ... I
>>SHOULD be able do it though if we can be certain there will be no
>>copyright problems ...
>
>I believe that this would fall under the category of parody. Plus I
>hardly see us being a threat by any means to legitimate Hello Kitty
>market share. Besides, isn't the list shirt an entirely non-profit
>effort?

Forget copyright on the "Hello Kitty" thing for a moment
and just look where the real parody would be. The joke
would be on the poor wanker wearing the shirt.

Now don't get me wrong here I'm a cat guy, hell my
handle is Manx, but I just can't bring myself (6' 8" and
250lbs) to wear a shirt with a little cartoon cat on it.
I probably wouldn't have a problem getting beat up
but I'm sure some of the smaller Brisbane list
members may.

Hello Kitty.....Double Thumbs Down for my vote.

Manx
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Message no. 24
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:29:57 +1000
>Not me - my vote is for the SR3-vintage Shadowrun S (not the blue one off
>the BABY, that's too plain) on a black shirt. Simple, elegant and
>to-the-point.
>
>Lady Jestyr

If you don't mean the "S" off the BABY then which other SR3 "S"
do you mean? I like the idea of an "S" on the front though. Perhaps
with "shadowrn@*********.org" underneath it. After all we have
finally got a cool SR related domain name for the list.
I'd like to see BABY #'s near names as well on the back,
(but I suppose I'm biased because I've got one) but that's
just a personal wish list.

Whatever design people settle for it _should_ be Shadowrun
related. I'd love nothing more than to go to a con with the
big SR "S" on a shirt. No cute cartoon animals or stick
figures for me I'm afraid. We should be promoting the
list and Shadowrun in general with the shirt so an
identifiable Shadowrun related design will get my vote.
Oh yeah and i'd like it to be black too...

Manx
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Message no. 25
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:42:06 EST
In a message dated 3/19/99 5:52:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jestyr@*******.com.au writes:

> >So, any ideas for what should be on it, apart from the obligatory list of
> >names of T-shirt buyers, of course?
>
> I must say, I'd be in favor of just the remodelled SR3 Shadowrun "S" on a
> black shirt.
>

Considering the average message volume on this list, I suggest a pair of feet
sticking out from under a pile of papers, and the logo: "Shadow RN: Death by
Bandwidth."
Message no. 26
From: GMPax@***.com GMPax@***.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:46:05 EST
In a message dated 3/20/99 3:36:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
timburke@*******.com.au writes:

> Whatever design people settle for it _should_ be Shadowrun
> related. I'd love nothing more than to go to a con with the
> big SR "S" on a shirt. No cute cartoon animals or stick
> figures for me I'm afraid. We should be promoting the
> list and Shadowrun in general with the shirt so an
> identifiable Shadowrun related design will get my vote.
> Oh yeah and i'd like it to be black too...
>
> Manx
> timburke@*******.com.au
> #950 of 1000

Well, newbie though I am hereabouts, and ULTRA-rarely though I go to cons ($$$
shortage, and all) ... I'd consider putting the money for a shirt like that
one: black, the trademark S on it (IMO the blue would work fine, or maybe a
more metallic look, for the S and any lettering on it ...).

While I'd not be waering it to conventions, there IS a college gaming club
nearby, I'd wear it to. Every Wednesday night, in fact -- for the SR game I
GM. <g>

Sean
GM Pax
Message no. 27
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:11:57 +1000
>>Not me - my vote is for the SR3-vintage Shadowrun S (not the blue one
>off
>>the BABY, that's too plain) on a black shirt. Simple, elegant and
>>to-the-point.
>
> What's all this BABY stuff about anywho?
>
> My vote is to keep it simple, but with a nice, catchy tag line.
>Either the "Where man meets magic and machine" line, or something more
>comical like "Hey, Lofwyr, hoard THIS!"(sorry, just a random thought
>after thumbing through Dragons).

I don't think it really even needs a tag-line...

> The line, regardless of mood, should be done in the all-too-used-up
>"grainy typewriter X-files" type lettering.

Oh god, please, no! :-) At least do it in the official Shadowrun font,
variously known as France, FrizQuadrata etc.

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Message no. 28
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:13:44 +1000
>>Not me - my vote is for the SR3-vintage Shadowrun S (not the blue one off
>>the BABY, that's too plain) on a black shirt. Simple, elegant and
>>to-the-point.
>
>If you don't mean the "S" off the BABY then which other SR3 "S"
>do you mean? I like the idea of an "S" on the front though. Perhaps
>with "shadowrn@*********.org" underneath it. After all we have

The same 'S', but done in the greys and blues, just like off the cover of
SR3 softcover - not the S on the cover of the BABY, which is all one color
and would look very 'cheap' on the front of a T-shirt, IMO.

>finally got a cool SR related domain name for the list.
>I'd like to see BABY #'s near names as well on the back,
>(but I suppose I'm biased because I've got one) but that's
>just a personal wish list.

I'd like it too - provided Bull would be kind enough to advise me of the
number of the BABY he's got for me which he hasn't sent yet :-)

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Message no. 29
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:50:14 +0100
According to MC23, at 16:28 on 19 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> >In SR:
> >Renraku is the only really big thing I can think of ATM...
>
> ShadowRN Mallrats anyone?

What, with comic book covers of all the list admins on the front of the
shirt? Sounds cool, but do you know anyone who'd draw it all? :)

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Message no. 30
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:50:15 +0100
According to Jett, at 22:29 on 19 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> YES! Mallrats rules! Snootchie Bootchies!

What kind of idiot says "snootchie bootchies" anyway?

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Message no. 31
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:50:14 +0100
According to Paul Gettle, at 21:12 on 19 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> This was mentioned a while back, but didn't someone nominate a
> cyberpunkish drawing of Hello Kitty to be a possible design for this
> year's shirt?

WTF is "Hello Kitty," and why would it be good as art on a ShadowRN shirt?

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Message no. 32
From: Pantherr pantherr@*****.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:42:45 -0600
> On 3/20/99 Manx wrote:
>
> > Hey I'd go for the cover of a BABY. The electric blue SR3 "S" on a
black
> > shirt. Perhaps even the "Where man meets magic and machine." beneath
it.
> > It'd even be cool to have your BABY # on the back near your name too.

No offense, but the part about the baby # on the back sounds like
nothing more than a good excuse to say "ha-ha, I've got one and
you don't". IOW, an ego trip. :P

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Message no. 33
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:07:31 +1000
>> > Hey I'd go for the cover of a BABY. The electric blue SR3 "S" on a
black
>> > shirt. Perhaps even the "Where man meets magic and machine."
beneath it.
>> > It'd even be cool to have your BABY # on the back near your name too.
>
>No offense, but the part about the baby # on the back sounds like
>nothing more than a good excuse to say "ha-ha, I've got one and
>you don't". IOW, an ego trip. :P
>
>Pantherr

Yes. And? :-)

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Message no. 34
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:17:53 +1000
>No offense, but the part about the baby # on the back sounds like
>nothing more than a good excuse to say "ha-ha, I've got one and
>you don't". IOW, an ego trip. :P
>
>Pantherr

Yeah so? And the reason that this is bad is?

Manx
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Message no. 35
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:27:40 -0500
Lady Jestyr wrote:

> I must say, I'd be in favor of just the remodelled SR3 Shadowrun "S" on a
> black shirt.

I'd like to see the SR3 "S" as well. I was wondering though, has
anyone thought of putting that "S" on one of the shirt sleeves up on
the shoulder? Similar in style as some militaries do with their unit
patches? Or would that add too much expense in making the shirts?

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Message no. 36
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:38:06 +1000
>> I must say, I'd be in favor of just the remodelled SR3 Shadowrun "S" on
a
>> black shirt.
>
>I'd like to see the SR3 "S" as well. I was wondering though, has
>anyone thought of putting that "S" on one of the shirt sleeves up on
>the shoulder? Similar in style as some militaries do with their unit
>patches? Or would that add too much expense in making the shirts?

Probably too expensive, but it would definitely be worth investigation as
it would look very cool IMO... would add a professional touch, too, since
normally only expensive shirts have printing on the sleeves :-)

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Message no. 37
From: Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:32:13 -0600
>If you don't mean the "S" off the BABY then which other SR3 "S"
>do you mean? I like the idea of an "S" on the front though. Perhaps
>with "shadowrn@*********.org" underneath it. After all we have
>finally got a cool SR related domain name for the list.
>I'd like to see BABY #'s near names as well on the back,
>(but I suppose I'm biased because I've got one) but that's
>just a personal wish list.
>
>Whatever design people settle for it _should_ be Shadowrun
>related. I'd love nothing more than to go to a con with the
>big SR "S" on a shirt. No cute cartoon animals or stick
>figures for me I'm afraid. We should be promoting the
>list and Shadowrun in general with the shirt so an
>identifiable Shadowrun related design will get my vote.
>Oh yeah and i'd like it to be black too...


I second Manx all the way.

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Message no. 38
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:18:01 EST
In a message dated 3/20/99 4:11:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, gurth@******.nl
writes:

> WTF is "Hello Kitty," and why would it be good as art on a ShadowRN shirt?

Trust me Gurth.... you dont want to know.
Message no. 39
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:02:36 -0500
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At 12:50 PM 3/20/99 +0100, Gurth wrote:
>> This was mentioned a while back, but didn't someone nominate a
>> cyberpunkish drawing of Hello Kitty to be a possible design for
this
>> year's shirt?
>
>WTF is "Hello Kitty," and why would it be good as art on a ShadowRN
shirt?

Hello Kitty is hard to explain. It's basically a marketing phenomenon
based off of a saccharine-cute cartoon kitten named Hello Kitty. Hello
Kitty's image is printed on everything from clothing to pencils to
little girl's toy purses. In the at least the US and Japan, Hello
Kitty has been heavily marketed to grade school girls for the past two
decades or so.

No one really seems to know why little girls go so nuts over anything
with Hello Kitty printed on it, and some even find the simple drawing
style used to draw Hello Kitty vaguely disturbing (Hello Kitty is
drawn without a mouth of any kind, for example). Despite this, Hello
Kitty has become a prime example of kitschy, plastic, mass-marketed,
campy pop-culture.

Information about Hello Kitty, and related characters owned by the
same company can be found at:
http://www.sanrio.com/Main/characters.html

and a websearch for "Hello Kitty" should turn up other informative
pages.

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Message no. 40
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:26:39 -0500
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At 11:18 AM 3/20/99 -0500, Starrngr@***.com wrote:
>In a message dated 3/20/99 4:11:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gurth@******.nl
>writes:
>
>> WTF is "Hello Kitty," and why would it be good as art on a ShadowRN
shirt?
>
>Trust me Gurth.... you dont want to know.

This is probably the best answer. Once you start finding out too much
about Hello Kitty, you run across lovely bits of information like the
alt.sex.hello-kitty FAQ. Not recommended reading. (If you're really
curious do a www.dejanews.com search for "FAQ" in the
alt.sex.hello-kitty newsgroup, for February 11, 1999, but don't say I
didn't warn you.)



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Message no. 41
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:36:56 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Mongoose hastily scribble thusly...
| I'm still obsessed with the idea of "Hello Kitty" as a Shadowrunner.

Errrr...

Hello Kitty?????

..... I don't get it....

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Message no. 42
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:38:58 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Damon Harper hastily scribble thusly...
|>Not me - my vote is for the SR3-vintage Shadowrun S (not the blue one
|off
|>the BABY, that's too plain) on a black shirt. Simple, elegant and
|>to-the-point.
|
| What's all this BABY stuff about anywho?

The BABY is the lists pet name for the Hardbacked 3rd Edition...
(they're all numbered)


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Message no. 43
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:43:38 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Gurth hastily scribble thusly...
|
|According to Paul Gettle, at 21:12 on 19 Mar 99, the word on
|the street was...
|
|> This was mentioned a while back, but didn't someone nominate a
|> cyberpunkish drawing of Hello Kitty to be a possible design for this
|> year's shirt?
|
|WTF is "Hello Kitty," and why would it be good as art on a ShadowRN shirt?

I just asked the same thing myself...
Lets all agree to have something that's NOT americentric, shall we?

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Message no. 44
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:47:07 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Starrngr@***.com hastily scribble thusly...
|
|In a message dated 3/20/99 4:11:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, gurth@******.nl
|writes:
|
|> WTF is "Hello Kitty," and why would it be good as art on a ShadowRN shirt?
|
|Trust me Gurth.... you dont want to know.

Perhaps we want to know, so we have advanced warning to avoid it????
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Message no. 45
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:08:17 -0500
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At 06:43 PM 3/20/99 +0000, A Halliwell wrote:
>|WTF is "Hello Kitty," and why would it be good as art on a ShadowRN
shirt?
>
>I just asked the same thing myself...
>Lets all agree to have something that's NOT americentric, shall we?

Don't blame us for this one. Hello Kitty is Japan's fault, they
created it, not Americans. While Hello Kitty might be hugely
successful in the US, that's a drop in the bucket compared to how well
it does in Japan. Just because you haven't heard of something in
Europe, that's not grounds to assume that it's americentric.

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Message no. 46
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:11:01 -0800
At 06:47 PM 20/03/99 , A Halliwell annoyed me by writing:
>|> WTF is "Hello Kitty," and why would it be good as art on a ShadowRN
shirt?

Hello Kitty is from Japanese children's anime. She has a twin sister, Mim,
and a zillion friend. (A true fixer.)

>|Trust me Gurth.... you dont want to know.
>
>Perhaps we want to know, so we have advanced warning to avoid it????

Hello Kitty has been around for *ages*, I grew up with it. :)

Hello Kitty has been drawn/shown as pretty much every occupation
imaginable, (Or at least I have the sticker like that still at my mom's
pplace, is she hasn't given them away.... My cousins like Pokemon, so I
think they are safe. ;) Seeing it as a Shadowrunner is quite a good humour. ;)

http://www.maxoe.com/hellokitty/

Try not to scream too loud, some people in the world might be trying to
sleep. ;)

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Message no. 47
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:56:21 -0500
Once upon a time, Paul Gettle wrote;

>and a websearch for "Hello Kitty" should turn up other informative
>pages.

I don't know if it still exists but there was a Hello Kitty 40,000 parady
out there.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
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Message no. 48
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:57:39 -0500
Once upon a time, Dvixen wrote;

>Hello Kitty has been around for *ages*, I grew up with it. :)

There's a side of you I never knew existed.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

"Top Forty is dangerous"
-Tori Amos

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Message no. 49
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:01:24 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did MC23 hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Once upon a time, Dvixen wrote;
|
|>Hello Kitty has been around for *ages*, I grew up with it. :)
|
|There's a side of you I never knew existed.

Come on...
This is the same side of her we've seen numerous times before.
(Especially in referrence to the CotSB)

:-p
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Message no. 50
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:01:18 -0800
At 02:57 PM 20/03/99 , MC23 annoyed me by writing:
>Once upon a time, Dvixen wrote;
>
>>Hello Kitty has been around for *ages*, I grew up with it. :)
>
>There's a side of you I never knew existed.

Why do you think I am the way I am? *veg*

Check out Hello Cthulhu! He's ADORABLE!!!!
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Message no. 51
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:08:42 -0500
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At 02:56 PM 3/20/99 -0500, MC23 wrote:
>>and a websearch for "Hello Kitty" should turn up other informative
>>pages.
>
>I don't know if it still exists but there was a Hello Kitty 40,000
parady
>out there.

That's actually what inspired this whole mess. I was wondering if
anyone had done a Shadowrun/Cyberpunk equivalent to that picture, and
then Mongoose got the idea that it'd make a good list shirt.

The Hello Kitty 40k pic can be found at:
http://web.net-link.net/~ashy/holding/HK40K.jpg

and at least one 40k miniatures modeler has been inspired to create
the following:
http://www.cthulu.org/test/hk40k.html

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Message no. 52
From: Pantherr pantherr@*****.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:24:41 -0600
> >No offense, but the part about the baby # on the back sounds like
> >nothing more than a good excuse to say "ha-ha, I've got one and
> >you don't". IOW, an ego trip. :P
>
> Yeah so? And the reason that this is bad is?

It's an excuse for elitism, to act holier-than-thou, etc. Which is one
thing I find exceedingly disgusting :)

Pantherr
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Message no. 53
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:59:39 -0600
:>Not me - my vote is for the SR3-vintage Shadowrun S (not the blue one
off
:>the BABY, that's too plain) on a black shirt. Simple, elegant and
:>to-the-point.


UM, didn't FASA already DO a shirt like that? I think they were
selling them at Gencon last year- or maybe they only gave them to
employees. Either way, I don't think its something we should do, without
getting permission.

Mongoose
Message no. 54
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:52:41 -0600
:>> I'm envisioning Kitty with a the classic "stare down my revolver"
:>>pose, datajack cable running to the gun, and Chromed eyes, and maybe
:>>Keropi on the side with a cyberdeck and Cyberarm.
:>
:>Keropi? `splain. :)
:
:Keroppi is a small cutesy-pie Japanese anime frog, done by the same folk
:who brought you Hello Kitty, Badz Maru, etc etc.


Those people are "San Rio"- they have a (rather small) website. There
are many animal types, all of whom are friends and have thier own
personalities / names- "Hello Kitty" (that is her name- "Hello") is
just
the most famous, although women I've met over the age of 35 claim "Merry
Melody", a rabbit, was more popular when they were younger.


:>> I can't take credit for the idea, though- I think it was Lady
J's...
:>
:>I can't remember who suggested it as the list shirt...
:
:Not me - my vote is for the SR3-vintage Shadowrun S (not the blue one off
:the BABY, that's too plain) on a black shirt. Simple, elegant and
:to-the-point.
:
:Lady Jestyr


Just to let Lady J of the hook here, I fired up my mailers search
feature. The suggestion ideed appears my "fault" <paste below>:


++++++++++++++++++
:>and for Warhammer 40K, I used this Hello Kitty 40K art:
:>http://web.net-link.net/~ashy/holding/HK40K.jpg
:
:Oh my god... I think I ruptured something. *chortle*

How fast can you hit your right mouse button? Damn fast, in my case-
it fits PERFECT with the "NRA" icons I have...

:>Does anyone know if there's a cyberpunk Hello Kitty drawing out there
:>anywhere?
:
:No... but now I'm feeling inspired! :-)
:
:Lady Jestyr


So am I- that would make a DAMN fine list shirt (or other item). How
about we each do some characters? I get Badz Maru! Unfortunately, my
programs can't match the level of craftsmanship the above JPEG depicts,
but then, neither can a cheaply printed shirt; I'm think classic kitty
here (no shading, etc). 256 color grayscale, if possible...

Mongoose (hey, its almost '99)
++++++++++++++++


Still of the same opinion- although my new photoshop program does
allow for some nice half toning.

Mongoose
Message no. 55
From: Stefan casanova@***.passagen.se
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:39:34 +0000
> From: "Damon Harper" <nomad74@*******.com>
> What's all this BABY stuff about anywho?

It is a legacy of FASA biggest misstake ever ... only releasing a
very limited edition of the hardback third edition ...

About the t-shirt in general ... I'd say the snake S in light grey on
a black cotton t-shirt ...

some little catchy slogan is never wrong thou .... but then it takes
a miracle to unit behind one ...

/stefan


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Message no. 56
From: Joshua Bell joshbell@**********.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:22:17 -0500
What about a cool quote on the t-shirt :

Some sugestions:
-------
"To give light to those who live in darkness, and in the shadow of death"
Luke chapter 1 verse 3 (I think, I heard it in the movie "The Saint")

See the conquering hero comes! Sound the trumpets, beat the drums!
Thomas Morell

The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before
them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding go out to meet it.
Thucydides

The game is done! I've won, I've won!' Quoth she, and whistles thrice.
S.T. Coleridge

The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and
write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.
Alvin Toffler
------------------------------------

Ok that should get us started. <grin>

Josh
Message no. 57
From: Mark A Shieh SHODAN+@***.EDU
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:25:03 -0500 (EST)
"Mongoose" <m0ng005e@*********.com> writes:
> So am I- that would make a DAMN fine list shirt (or other item). How
> about we each do some characters? I get Badz Maru! Unfortunately, my
> programs can't match the level of craftsmanship the above JPEG depicts,
> but then, neither can a cheaply printed shirt; I'm think classic kitty
> here (no shading, etc). 256 color grayscale, if possible...

It's really not that bad, though I'm not that skilled with
Photoshop myself... You scan in the cover to one of the books, and
replace their heads with hello kitties. It helps if tried to draw
them as a little kid. It sounds like you want to do this from
scratch. (brr)

Oh, and I really like the Shadowrun S t-shirt idea, but I
don't like the BABY listing on the back with names. It reminds me too
much of the t-shirts you see freshmen wearing at college, with a list
of graduating seniors from their high school. :P
[I suspect that if someone sold me a BABY, I'd be ambivalent
about the whole thing, but that won't happen. :) ]

Mark
Message no. 58
From: Quicksilver qwksilvr@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:36:44 -0600
At 04:28 PM 3/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Once upon a time, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote;
>
>>In SR:
>>Renraku is the only really big thing I can think of ATM...
>
>ShadowRN Mallrats anyone?
>
From someone who hasn't read the sourcebook yet, how about...

Renraku Arcology - the first, self-sustaining prison.
Renraku Arcology - Biosphere IV.
Renraku Ark - 40 days and 40 nights was nothin'.
Renraku Arcology
You can checkout any time you like,
but you can never leave!
(actually, the whole song seems appropriate <g>)


Just a couple thoughts from,
Hg

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Message no. 59
From: Mark C. Farrington alareth@*****.dwebs.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:12:13 -0500
I think it should say "ShadowRN: No Woodchucks!"

Lord Alareth Faltrix
Acolyte of the First Church of the Squooshy Ball
Investigator - Shadowrun Webring Internal Affairs
Message no. 60
From: Stefan casanova@***.passagen.se
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:23:57 +0000
> From: Quicksilver <qwksilvr@*****.com>
> >From someone who hasn't read the sourcebook yet, how about...
>
> Renraku Arcology - the first, self-sustaining prison.
> Renraku Arcology - Biosphere IV.
> Renraku Ark - 40 days and 40 nights was nothin'.
> Renraku Arcology
> You can checkout any time you like,
> but you can never leave!
> (actually, the whole song seems appropriate <g>)
>
>
> Just a couple thoughts from,
> Hg

The question is do we want the t-shirt to be some internal list joke
or do we want it to be a promotion of the game shadowrun ?

-s

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Message no. 61
From: GRANITE granite@**.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:18:43 -0700
> I'm still obsessed with the idea of "Hello Kitty" as a Shadowrunner.
> I'd LOVE to have a "Hello Kitty" type t-shirt to wear at Gencon, maybe
> even in a baby blue or cutie pie pink...

I wil lput my 2 nuyen in here..I will -not- put my hard earned money
into a t-shirt like this..it would be too embarassing to wear..

> I must say, I'd be in favor of just the remodelled SR3 Shadowrun
> "S" on a black shirt.

This might be ok..I would like to see it in blood red..But i do think
that just the 'S' would be a bit plain and boring..unless there was a
lot of different detail in it..

> I'd like to see the SR3 "S" as well. I was wondering though, has
> anyone thought of putting that "S" on one of the shirt sleeves up on
> the shoulder?

This might be good..but I think it adds quite a bit to the price..

Now lets go for some more original ideas for the T-Shirt..
I've been thinking of a design..Perhaps a Troll bust with the phrase
"Frag Off" under it....
--------------------------------GRANITE
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==============================================Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The
Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
==============================================Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
See Them Driven Before You,
And To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
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Message no. 62
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:56:22 EST
In a message dated 3/20/99 2:40:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, granite@**.net
writes:

> Now lets go for some more original ideas for the T-Shirt..
> I've been thinking of a design..Perhaps a Troll bust with the phrase
> "Frag Off" under it....

Granite, you just gave me a really funny idea.

A picture of that infamous troll in his pink bathrobe and bunny slippers,
looking sadly at his empty milk glass and the logo "Need Runners?"
Message no. 63
From: Penta cpenta@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:12:25 -0800
Starrngr@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/20/99 2:40:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, granite@**.net
> writes:
>
> > Now lets go for some more original ideas for the T-Shirt..
> > I've been thinking of a design..Perhaps a Troll bust with the phrase
> > "Frag Off" under it....
>
> Granite, you just gave me a really funny idea.
>
> A picture of that infamous troll in his pink bathrobe and bunny slippers,
> looking sadly at his empty milk glass and the logo "Need Runners?"

Or, even better....Little kid on cow...being chased by runners, as per a
thread a few months back.:)
Message no. 64
From: Stefan casanova@***.passagen.se
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:32:01 +0000
> From: Starrngr@***.com

> > Now lets go for some more original ideas for the T-Shirt..
> > I've been thinking of a design..Perhaps a Troll bust with the phrase
> > "Frag Off" under it....
>
> Granite, you just gave me a really funny idea.
>
> A picture of that infamous troll in his pink bathrobe and bunny slippers,
> looking sadly at his empty milk glass and the logo "Need Runners?"

Sure ... big ol' trog in a pink bathrobe with pink bunny slippers and
the text "runners day off" ... like I would ever wear that ... :)

/s


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Message no. 65
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:30:15 EST
In a message dated 3/20/99 2:58:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, Starrngr@***.com
writes:

> A picture of that infamous troll in his pink bathrobe and bunny slippers,
> looking sadly at his empty milk glass and the logo "Need Runners?"


Actually the "Menthos" commercial with the runner hanging from the chopper.

or the Dunkie dolls from Bulls Christmas.
Message no. 66
From: Stefan casanova@***.passagen.se
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:39:56 +0000
> Actually the "Menthos" commercial with the runner hanging from the chopper.
>
> or the Dunkie dolls from Bulls Christmas.
>

perhaps we should have one of them "tickle me DUnky" or something
instead. That would be kinda cool ....

/s


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Message no. 67
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:47:53 +1000
At 01:39 21/03/99 +0000 Stefan wrote
>> Actually the "Menthos" commercial with the runner hanging from the
chopper.
>>
>> or the Dunkie dolls from Bulls Christmas.
>>
>
>perhaps we should have one of them "tickle me DUnky" or something
>instead. That would be kinda cool ....
>
>/s

That would only be cool if everyone that saw
you wearing it knew WTF it meant. Imagine
the inane questions that you'd get from people
that already think that roleplayers are freaks.

Manx
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Message no. 68
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:52:55 +1000
If you're going to want something that is
shadowrun related _and_ list relevant
how about the troll hoisting the CARP
with the words "I've been Thwapped
at shadowrn@*********.org".

You could print the SR "S" in a light
colour on the back and overlay the
names of the listmembers over it.
Best of both worlds.

You got to remember the more shirts
that you sell the cheaper that it becomes
in most cases so the need to have a
pretty generic and universally appealing
design is fairly important. Something
that only has a list "in joke" is not likely
to generate the interest.

Manx
timburke@*******.com.au
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Message no. 69
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:58:48 +1000
>> Just a couple thoughts from,
>> Hg
>
>The question is do we want the t-shirt to be some internal list joke
>or do we want it to be a promotion of the game shadowrun ?
>
>-s

Thankfully someone is awake here.

The internal list joke is often something that
is not likely to inspire a majority of the list
members to actually purchase the shirt
unless most of the potential purchasers
are aware of the joke. The only one that
I would say that most list members would
know about is the Carp (and maybe that
word starting with W.........). I think that the
carp is definately relevant because of the
increasing subtle references to Carp in new
SR products

I've made my opinion known and I strongly
think that we should be promoting both
the list and the game of Shadowrun itself.

The shirt should be instantly recognisable
firstly as a reference to Shadowrun and
secondly it should also promote the list.
Not having "shadowrn@*********.org" on
it somewhere would be stupid IMO.

Manx
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Message no. 70
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:08:02 +1000
>:>Not me - my vote is for the SR3-vintage Shadowrun S (not the blue one
>off
>:>the BABY, that's too plain) on a black shirt. Simple, elegant and
>:>to-the-point.
>
> UM, didn't FASA already DO a shirt like that? I think they were
>selling them at Gencon last year- or maybe they only gave them to
>employees.

I have no idea - most of us weren't AT Gencon last year, remember...

> Either way, I don't think its something we should do, without
>getting permission.

Whatever we do, we'd have to get permission - but I think this is a whole
lot more wearable than a Hello Kitty tshirt.

Lady Jestyr

Quantum physics is God's way of saying "Ha! Solve THAT!"
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Message no. 71
From: David Yellope dyellope@*****.gis.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:19:49 GMT
On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:58:48 +1000, you wrote:

>>> Just a couple thoughts from,
>>> Hg
>>
>>The question is do we want the t-shirt to be some internal list joke
>>or do we want it to be a promotion of the game shadowrun ?
>>
>>-s
>
>Thankfully someone is awake here.
>
>The internal list joke is often something that
>is not likely to inspire a majority of the list
>members to actually purchase the shirt
>unless most of the potential purchasers
>are aware of the joke. The only one that
>I would say that most list members would
>know about is the Carp (and maybe that
>word starting with W.........). I think that the
>carp is definately relevant because of the
>increasing subtle references to Carp in new
>SR products

You mean Woodchuck?

AAAAH!!!! (NO CARRIER)
Message no. 72
From: Chris Maxfield cmaxfiel@****.org.au
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:21:26 +1100
At 04:22 20/03/99 -0500, Joshua Bell wrote:
>What about a cool quote on the t-shirt :
>
>Some sugestions:
>-------
>"To give light to those who live in darkness, and in the shadow of death"
>Luke chapter 1 verse 3 (I think, I heard it in the movie "The Saint")
>
>See the conquering hero comes! Sound the trumpets, beat the drums!
>Thomas Morell
> <snip>

My favorite:
He either fears his fate too much,
Or his deserts are small,
That puts it not to the touch,
To win or lose it all.
- James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose 1612-1650







Chris Maxfield We are restless because of incessant
<cmaxfiel@****.org.au> change, but we would be frightened if
Canberra, Australia change were stopped.
Message no. 73
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:37:41 EST
In a message dated 3/20/99 5:55:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
timburke@*******.com.au writes:

> That would only be cool if everyone that saw
> you wearing it knew WTF it meant. Imagine
> the inane questions that you'd get from people
> that already think that roleplayers are freaks.

I got a Miskatonic University shirt, big picture of Cthulhu and the slogan
"Home of the Fighting Cephalopods" and "Go pods" written on it.
People of course never connect it with Call of Cthulhu (game OR story) and I
have been asked where the school was before.
So I don;t think it has to be some all encompassing recruitment poster, it
is supposed to be fun isn't it/
Message no. 74
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:11:31 -0500
Gurth wrote:

> According to Jett, at 22:29 on 19 Mar 99, the word on
> the street was...
>
> > YES! Mallrats rules! Snootchie Bootchies!
>
> What kind of idiot says "snootchie bootchies" anyway? :)

The kind of idiot who can screech it at 200 decibels. ;)

--Jett
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Message no. 75
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:16:40 -0500
Dvixen wrote:

> At 02:57 PM 20/03/99 , MC23 annoyed me by writing:
> >Once upon a time, Dvixen wrote;
> >
> >>Hello Kitty has been around for *ages*, I grew up with it. :)
> >
> >There's a side of you I never knew existed.
>
> Why do you think I am the way I am? *veg*
>
> Check out Hello Cthulhu! He's ADORABLE!!!!

Oh, no. Evil Goodbye Kitty, 'zat you?

Before I get a ton of questions, Evil Goodbye Kitty hangs out on
alt.sex.hello-kitty, alt.sex.richard-nixon, and alt.sex.cthulu. Don't
ask how I know her. You can probably already guess.

--Jett
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You'll die here."
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Message no. 76
From: Penta cpenta@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:29:38 -0800
Jett wrote:

> Dvixen wrote:
>
> > At 02:57 PM 20/03/99 , MC23 annoyed me by writing:
> > >Once upon a time, Dvixen wrote;
> > >
> > >>Hello Kitty has been around for *ages*, I grew up with it. :)
> > >
> > >There's a side of you I never knew existed.
> >
> > Why do you think I am the way I am? *veg*
> >
> > Check out Hello Cthulhu! He's ADORABLE!!!!
>
> Oh, no. Evil Goodbye Kitty, 'zat you?
>
> Before I get a ton of questions, Evil Goodbye Kitty hangs out on
> alt.sex.hello-kitty, alt.sex.richard-nixon, and alt.sex.cthulu. Don't
> ask how I know her. You can probably already guess.

Jett, that image is disgusting. eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Message no. 77
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:08:56 -0800
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Bell <joshbell@**********.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Time


>What about a cool quote on the t-shirt :
>
>Some sugestions:
>-------
>"To give light to those who live in darkness, and in the shadow of death"
>Luke chapter 1 verse 3 (I think, I heard it in the movie "The Saint")
>
>See the conquering hero comes! Sound the trumpets, beat the drums!
>Thomas Morell
>
>The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before
>them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding go out to meet it.
>Thucydides
>
>The game is done! I've won, I've won!' Quoth she, and whistles thrice.
>S.T. Coleridge
>
>The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and
>write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.
>Alvin Toffler


How about a quote that's short enough to be read without staring at the
wearer long enough to be arrested for prowling? --Anders
Message no. 78
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:20:38 -0500
Got NERPS?
Message no. 79
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:01 -0800
-----Original Message-----
From: Manx <timburke@*******.com.au>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 6:04 PM
Subject: re: T-Shirt Time


"I've been Thwapped
>at shadowrn@*********.org".
>
>You could print the SR "S" in a light
>colour on the back and overlay the
>names of the list members over it.
>Best of both worlds.
>
>You got to remember the more shirts
>that you sell the cheaper that it becomes
>in most cases so the need to have a
>pretty generic and universally appealing
>design is fairly important. Something
>that only has a list "in joke" is not likely
>to generate the interest.
>
>
>"Such carping is not commendable"
>- William Shakespeare
>- Much Ado About Nothing a3.s1.l71
>__________________________________
>>
Maybe I missed something, but who besides the dozens of us on the RN would
be interested anyway? The only people who buy T-shirts with names on the
back who aren't part of the list are parents, and most of us are a little
old for that. I say, go for the Carp, after all, we all will be THWAPPED
sometime in our career on the list... --Anders
Message no. 80
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:21:55 -0500
Once upon a time, Schizi@***.com wrote;

>I got a Miskatonic University shirt, big picture of Cthulhu and the slogan
>"Home of the Fighting Cephalopods" and "Go pods" written on it.

And I have my Cthulhu for President T-Shirt. Of course I'm know for my
past Cthulhu parties in these parts.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 81
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:20:54 -0800
-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan <casanova@***.passagen.se>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: T-shirt time!


> From: Quicksilver <qwksilvr@*****.com>
> >From someone who hasn't read the sourcebook yet, how about...
>
> Renraku Arcology - the first, self-sustaining prison.
> Renraku Arcology - Biosphere IV.
> Renraku Ark - 40 days and 40 nights was nothin'.
> Renraku Arcology
> You can checkout any time you like,
> but you can never leave!
> (actually, the whole song seems appropriate <g>)
>
>
> Just a couple thoughts from,
> Hg

The question is do we want the t-shirt to be some internal list joke
or do we want it to be a promotion of the game shadowrun ?

-s
The truest maxim is "All publicity is good publicity." Promoting Shadowrun
is FASA's job, having a hell of a lot of fun is OUR job. Let's have fun with
this thing. --Anders
Message no. 82
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:22:48 -0800
>> Granite, you just gave me a really funny idea.
>>
>> A picture of that infamous troll in his pink bathrobe and bunny slippers,
>> looking sadly at his empty milk glass and the logo "Need Runners?"
>
> Or, even better....Little kid on cow...being chased by runners, as per a
>thread a few months back.:)
>
Now, That's Funny. Go for it! (Whom among us cn do the artwork?) --Anders
Message no. 83
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:45:20 +1000
>>> Granite, you just gave me a really funny idea.
>>>
>>> A picture of that infamous troll in his pink bathrobe and bunny slippers,
>>> looking sadly at his empty milk glass and the logo "Need Runners?"
>>
>> Or, even better....Little kid on cow...being chased by runners, as per a
>>thread a few months back.:)
>>
>Now, That's Funny. Go for it! (Whom among us cn do the artwork?) --Anders

There's a difference between a list in-joke, and a 'joke' like this that
75% of the listmembers wouldn't even get...

Lady Jestyr

Quantum physics is God's way of saying "Ha! Solve THAT!"
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Message no. 84
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:22:33 -0600
:>perhaps we should have one of them "tickle me DUnky" or something
:>instead. That would be kinda cool ....
:>
:>/s
:
:That would only be cool if everyone that saw
:you wearing it knew WTF it meant. Imagine
:the inane questions that you'd get from people
:that already think that roleplayers are freaks.
:
:Manx


Which is exactly why "Hello Kitty Shaman" (thats my new idea-
spell-chuker Kitty) is cool- enough people would recognize it to get the
joke of a really violent Hello Kitty (and cybered friends) without needing
to ask any stupid questions.
And I know a few Riot Grrrls who will be willing to help you out if
you feel like you might get beat up for wearing Hello Kitty...

Yes, I know it will never happen. No, I won't shut up. :)

Mongoose
Message no. 85
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:28:51 -0600
:> Dvixen wrote:

:> > Check out Hello Cthulhu! He's ADORABLE!!!!
:>
:> Oh, no. Evil Goodbye Kitty, 'zat you?
:>
:> Before I get a ton of questions, Evil Goodbye Kitty hangs out on
:> alt.sex.hello-kitty, alt.sex.richard-nixon, and alt.sex.cthulu. Don't
:> ask how I know her. You can probably already guess.
:
:Jett, that image is disgusting. eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.


Could somebody send me that? My server won't connect to
dax.cs.wisc.edu/~kimuchi/cthulu.html

Mongoose
Message no. 86
From: Damon Harper nomad74@*******.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:44:59 PST
>> What's all this BABY stuff about anywho?
>
>It is a legacy of FASA biggest misstake ever ... only releasing a
>very limited edition of the hardback third edition ...

Well, maybe second biggest. I think "The Art of Shadowrun" is still
the title-holder. :) But thanks for the explanation(to all those kind
enough to answer this ol' 2nd ed. war-horse).

>
>About the t-shirt in general ... I'd say the snake S in light grey on
>a black cotton t-shirt ...

I think it's too simple. Maybe have the gray S on back, with the
names or "blah blah blah" imposed over it. With something else on the
front- like maybe a smaller S with whatever the running theme will be in
or around it.

>
>some little catchy slogan is never wrong thou .... but then it takes
>a miracle to unit behind one ...

On this I agree totally. I think it's the nature of the list to say
"mine's the coolest". But then again, there may be a solution. We
could have a panel of judges pick entries(maybe the winner gets a free
shirt). Or upon being pre-approved by a person or group, the "more
cooler" tag lines are thrown into a hopper and just randomly selected.
Or, we could just scrap the whole idea and just use the standard
Shadowrun tag line- or not one at all.


-Damon Harper
"But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive."
-Shakespeare, King Henry V
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Message no. 87
From: Damon Harper nomad74@*******.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:51:35 PST
>That would only be cool if everyone that saw
>you wearing it knew WTF it meant. Imagine
>the inane questions that you'd get from people
>that already think that roleplayers are freaks.

I think EVERYONE- myself included- should use this as
all-encompassing thought before submitting ideas. It will narrow the
*good* ideas down quickly, and eliminate alot of OT traffic.
Well said, Manx.


-Damon Harper
"But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive."
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Message no. 88
From: Joshua Ring strago@***.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:03:12 -0500
do you mean the infamous word that starts with "W" ... ... Woodchuck?

-There's one in every crowd-
Message no. 89
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 03:18:11 EST
In a message dated 3/20/99 9:21:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
anders@**********.com writes:

> Maybe I missed something, but who besides the dozens of us on the RN would
> be interested anyway? The only people who buy T-shirts with names on the
> back who aren't part of the list are parents, and most of us are a little
> old for that. I say, go for the Carp, after all, we all will be THWAPPED
> sometime in our career on the list... --Anders

I agree with you on that one, Anders, though the position of the others is
that our shadowRN t-shirts should attract interet in shadowrun for new players
in general and interest in ShadowRN in specific. To that end, I propose a two
sided design, with the Runners chaseing the kid on the cow (i rather loved
that silly run idea) and the logo "got Milk" on the front, and a Snake S
shadowrun logo on the back with "shadowRN@*********.org". Never udder
estimate the power of Humor in promoting something.
Message no. 90
From: Keldon Mor Keldon@********.Net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:52:53 -0600
> >> I must say, I'd be in favor of just the remodelled SR3 Shadowrun
"S" on
a
> >> black shirt.
> >
> >I'd like to see the SR3 "S" as well. I was wondering though, has
> >anyone thought of putting that "S" on one of the shirt sleeves up on
> >the shoulder? Similar in style as some militaries do with their unit
> >patches? Or would that add too much expense in making the shirts?
>
> Probably too expensive, but it would definitely be worth investigation as
> it would look very cool IMO... would add a professional touch, too, since
> normally only expensive shirts have printing on the sleeves :-)

I might as well throw my 2 nuyen in, I'm also in favor of this, I think it's
a great idea & I don't have a problem with throwing in a little extra cred
to have it done.

Just another idea, if FASA doesn't mind us using their logo's (since this is
all non-profit and benefits them) how about using the Shadowrun: Third
Edition logo that's on inside of the book and cropping it to Shadowrn? with
the jackpoint.org blah blah blah stuff...just a 3am idea...

BTW, Who handles the design, printing, distribution of these T's?

Peace,
Keldon@********.net
http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/keldon
Message no. 91
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:20:56 -0400
Hmm...here's my only suggestion.

"ShadowRN: Dealing with Dragons since '89"
(or whenever shadowRN was started).

-Murder of One
Message no. 92
From: Slipspeed atreloar@*********.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:49:17 +1000
>in general and interest in ShadowRN in specific. To that end, I propose a
two
>sided design, with the Runners chaseing the kid on the cow (i rather loved
>that silly run idea)

To illustrate Lady Jestyr's earlier point, I have no idea what you're
talking about. And no, I don't really want it explained. Most of us either
can't remember, weren't here for that, or didn't read it.

Slipspeed

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Message no. 93
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:47:04 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Starrngr@***.com hastily scribble thusly...
|
|In a message dated 3/20/99 2:40:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, granite@**.net
|writes:
|
|> Now lets go for some more original ideas for the T-Shirt..
|> I've been thinking of a design..Perhaps a Troll bust with the phrase
|> "Frag Off" under it....
|
|Granite, you just gave me a really funny idea.
|
|A picture of that infamous troll in his pink bathrobe and bunny slippers,
|looking sadly at his empty milk glass and the logo "Need Runners?"

Sorry, but, as no-one outside the USA has seen the "got milk?" ad
campaign....

Stick to jokes everyone'll get.
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Message no. 94
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:48:28 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Manx hastily scribble thusly...
|That would only be cool if everyone that saw
|you wearing it knew WTF it meant. Imagine
|the inane questions that you'd get from people
|that already think that roleplayers are freaks.

You mean we aren't????
:)
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Message no. 95
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:49:03 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Manx hastily scribble thusly...
|
|At 01:39 21/03/99 +0000 Stefan wrote
|>> Actually the "Menthos" commercial with the runner hanging from the
chopper.
|>>
|>> or the Dunkie dolls from Bulls Christmas.
|>>
|>
|>perhaps we should have one of them "tickle me DUnky" or something
|>instead. That would be kinda cool ....

Have you NO respect for the dead?
:)
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Message no. 96
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:56:03 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Mongoose hastily scribble thusly...
| Which is exactly why "Hello Kitty Shaman" (thats my new idea-
|spell-chuker Kitty) is cool- enough people would recognize it to get the
|joke of a really violent Hello Kitty (and cybered friends) without needing
|to ask any stupid questions.

The point about this "hello kitty" crap is that over 70% of the worlds
population wouldn't know WTF it WAS on about!

Just DROP the Hello kitty idea. It's crap, quite a few people hate it, and
one HELL of a lot of people had never even HEARD of it until it got brought
up here.
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Message no. 97
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:05:38 +1000
At 14:56 21/03/99 +0000 A Halliwell wrote
>And verily, did Mongoose hastily scribble thusly...
>| Which is exactly why "Hello Kitty Shaman" (thats my new idea-
>|spell-chuker Kitty) is cool- enough people would recognize it to get the
>|joke of a really violent Hello Kitty (and cybered friends) without needing
>|to ask any stupid questions.
>
>The point about this "hello kitty" crap is that over 70% of the worlds
>population wouldn't know WTF it WAS on about!

Not even to mention that I'd look like a total wanker wearing it.
I'm sorry Mongoose but your notion that "Hello Kitty" is _cool_
needs to seriously be re-evaluated. If you want a "Hello Kitty"
shirt by all means make one. Just don't expect us to pay for one.
I suppose the next thing that people will be suggesting is
"Mr Men" designs :( <don't even go there...>

>Just DROP the Hello kitty idea. It's crap, quite a few people hate it, and
>one HELL of a lot of people had never even HEARD of it until it got brought
>up here.
>--

Great minds think alike...

Go the CARP!!!

Manx
timburke@*******.com.au
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Message no. 98
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:21:15 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Manx hastily scribble thusly...
|Not even to mention that I'd look like a total wanker wearing it.
|I'm sorry Mongoose but your notion that "Hello Kitty" is _cool_
|needs to seriously be re-evaluated. If you want a "Hello Kitty"
|shirt by all means make one. Just don't expect us to pay for one.
|I suppose the next thing that people will be suggesting is
|"Mr Men" designs :( <don't even go there...>

Oh, I don't know...
Mr Tickle meets Dunky (The real one)

:)
<Very VERY big evil grin>

Or how about Mr Hanky????

<ducks and dives for his Carp proofed shielding>

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Message no. 99
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:04:41 -0800
>>>> A picture of that infamous troll in his pink bathrobe and bunny
slippers,
>>>> looking sadly at his empty milk glass and the logo "Need
Runners?"
>>>
>>> Or, even better....Little kid on cow...being chased by runners, as per
a
>>>thread a few months back.:)
>>>
>>Now, That's Funny. Go for it! (Whom among us cn do the artwork?) --Anders
>
>There's a difference between a list in-joke, and a 'joke' like this that
>75% of the listmembers wouldn't even get...


Sorry, there, but make that the ??% of the list members not living in the
USA. In California and the Eastern 47, not to mention AK and HI, we are
frequently bombarded by a particular huge ad campaign about milk
consumption. I wasn't referring to the cow chase remark, sloppy editing.
But, I think "Got Runners?" is hilarious. And, with a good cartoon, even an
obscure RN referance can be generally funny. --Anders
Message no. 100
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:10:12 -0800
>
>>That would only be cool if everyone that saw
>>you wearing it knew WTF it meant. Imagine
>>the inane questions that you'd get from people
>>that already think that roleplayers are freaks.
>
> I think EVERYONE- myself included- should use this as
>all-encompassing thought before submitting ideas. It will narrow the
>*good* ideas down quickly, and eliminate alot of OT traffic.
> Well said, Manx.


Actually, most of the traffic on this thread has been nicely on topic, I'm
amazed. Well, anybody wearing any gaming T shirt in public is rather geekisn
anyhow, so that's no reason not to enjoy our special RN-ness.
I would rather be wearing a rather quirky RN shirt at, say, the gaming
convention I attend, because then I could talk about the game and the list
to those folks who would walk up and say "what's that?" --Anders
Message no. 101
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:11:47 -0800
-----Original Message-----
From: Starrngr@***.com <Starrngr@***.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Time


>In a message dated 3/20/99 9:21:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>anders@**********.com writes:
>
>> Maybe I missed something, but who besides the dozens of us on the RN
would
>> be interested anyway? The only people who buy T-shirts with names on the
>> back who aren't part of the list are parents, and most of us are a
little
>> old for that. I say, go for the Carp, after all, we all will be THWAPPED
>> sometime in our career on the list... --Anders
>
>I agree with you on that one, Anders, though the position of the others is
>that our shadowRN t-shirts should attract interet in shadowrun for new
players
>in general and interest in ShadowRN in specific. To that end, I propose a
two
>sided design, with the Runners chaseing the kid on the cow (i rather loved
>that silly run idea) and the logo "got Milk" on the front, and a Snake S
>shadowrun logo on the back with "shadowRN@*********.org". Never udder
>estimate the power of Humor in promoting something.
>
>
Now, that's the spirit. But, where do the names go? --Anders
Message no. 102
From: Rat winterhawk@*********.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:56:47 -0800
> From: "Stefan" <casanova@***.passagen.se>

> > Actually the "Menthos" commercial with the runner hanging from the
chopper.
> >
> > or the Dunkie dolls from Bulls Christmas.
> >
>
> perhaps we should have one of them "tickle me DUnky" or something
> instead. That would be kinda cool ....
>
> /s
>
>


Hey, I'd pay for a shirt with a Dunkie doll on it. :)

--Rat

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Message no. 103
From: Jalong1@***.com Jalong1@***.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:11:34 EST
>> UM, didn't FASA already DO a shirt like that? I think they were
>>selling them at Gencon last year- or maybe they only gave them to
>>employees.

>I have no idea - most of us weren't AT Gencon last year, remember...

I was there, but don't remember seeing any SR Tshirts like that there
(of course I was more interested in getting my BABY. ;)

>The only one that
>I would say that most list members would
>know about is the Carp (and maybe that
>word starting with W.........). I think that the
>carp is definately relevant because of the
>increasing subtle references to Carp in new
>SR products

Well reading all this for the first time I can only come up with:

"Run with the Best, or THWAPPED like the rest"
ShadowRN


>> Or, even better....Little kid on cow...being chased by runners, as per a
>>thread a few months back.:)
>>
>Now, That's Funny. Go for it! (Whom among us cn do the artwork?) --Anders

Sounds humorous. Of course I perfer the idea of the troll in the bathrobe
and bunny slippers idea.

Jalong1

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at: http://members.aol.com/jalong1/JOT/Shadow.htm
Message no. 104
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:13:02 +0100
According to Stefan, at 23:23 on 20 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> The question is do we want the t-shirt to be some internal list joke
> or do we want it to be a promotion of the game shadowrun ?

I want it to be a T-shirt that shows I was a listmember in 1999 (just like
I've got T-shirts showing I was a listmember from 1994 to 1998, although
the '96 and '97 ones don't have dates). Inside jokes like "No Woodchucks"
would be fine by me, especially because it'd help in recognizing other
listmembers -- although the T-shirt itself would do that already; it's how
some of us found Mike Paff last year at GenCon, for example.

Promotion of Shadowrun doesn't really come into it for me. The way I see
the shirt is more as something that simply says "ShadowRN: Been there,
Done that, Got the T-shirt." (Hey, maybe that's a good quote... :)

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Message no. 105
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:13:02 +0100
According to Schizi@***.com, at 21:37 on 20 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> I got a Miskatonic University shirt, big picture of Cthulhu and the slogan
> "Home of the Fighting Cephalopods" and "Go pods" written on it.
> People of course never connect it with Call of Cthulhu (game OR story) and I
> have been asked where the school was before.
> So I don;t think it has to be some all encompassing recruitment poster, it
> is supposed to be fun isn't it/

If a recruitment poster is what we're after, how about some troll in a top
hat pointing a finger and saying "I want _you_ for ShadowRN!"?

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Message no. 106
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:13:02 +0100
According to Anders Swenson, at 21:14 on 20 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> Maybe I missed something, but who besides the dozens of us on the RN would
> be interested anyway? The only people who buy T-shirts with names on the
> back who aren't part of the list are parents, and most of us are a little
> old for that.

To be parents, or to have your parents buy T-shirts for you? :)

At any rate, the list of names has traditionally included only the names
of the listmembers who actually bought a shirt -- including _all_
listmembers would likely require us to put names on the front, back, and
sides, both on the inside and outside of the shirt. The deal basically is
to buy a shirt with your name on it (among many others).

That also means everyone has to pay for it before the artwork is finished
(IOW before they actually get printed), so we'll have to find someone
trustworthy to collect the money and have the shirts printed up.

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Message no. 107
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:13:02 +0100
According to Joshua Bell, at 16:22 on 20 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> Some sugestions:
> -------
> "To give light to those who live in darkness, and in the shadow of death"
> Luke chapter 1 verse 3 (I think, I heard it in the movie "The Saint")

That would make everyone thing we're trying to convert them to
Christianity (at least, I suppose that's what the line refers to). This is
not something I'd wear on a T-shirt (<GridSec>no religious arguments,
please</GridSec>).

[snip rest]

Better, but still not what I'd put on the front of the shirt. On the back,
above or below the list of names, a quote like these might not be a bad
thing to have, though. However, we'd have to find one that really seems to
point to, or seems to be about, either Shadowrun or ShadowRN, IMHO.

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Message no. 108
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:13:02 +0100
According to A Halliwell, at 14:47 on 21 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> Sorry, but, as no-one outside the USA has seen the "got milk?" ad
> campaign....

I believe I have (famous people with a milk moustache, right?), but only
because my brother reads American comics.

> Stick to jokes everyone'll get.

Agreed.

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Message no. 109
From: GRANITE granite@**.net
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:36:08 -0700
> in general and interest in ShadowRN in specific. To that end, I propose a two
> sided design, with the Runners chaseing the kid on the cow (i rather loved
> that silly run idea) and the logo "got Milk" on the front, and a Snake S
> shadowrun logo on the back with "shadowRN@*********.org". Never udder
> estimate the power of Humor in promoting something.

So get to drawin' ....
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
==============================================Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The
Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
==============================================Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
See Them Driven Before You,
And To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
I Am The LAW! -JD
Jamais Arriere
Message no. 110
From: GRANITE granite@**.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:43:53 -0700
> BTW, Who handles the design, printing, distribution of these T's?

SOme poor sot that everyone can trust and more importatly can be
conned into doing it..Which reminds me..K..How many shirt were
purchased ast year??
I will look into the local prices..And see what kind of deal we can
get here..But having an idea of the sale potential is important..


--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
==============================================Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The
Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
==============================================Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
See Them Driven Before You,
And To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
I Am The LAW! -JD
Jamais Arriere
Message no. 111
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:20:44 -0600
On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:30:15 EST Schizi@***.com writes:
<SNIP>
>or the Dunkie dolls from Bulls Christmas.

How about Hello Dunky? :)

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Message no. 112
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:10:52 -0600
On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:22:48 -0800 "Anders Swenson"
<anders@**********.com> writes:
<SNIP Kid on Cow>
>Now, That's Funny. Go for it! (Whom among us cn do the artwork?)

I might be able to ... don't know about cows but people are my forte :)

Mongoose did last year's shirt (Do you still have pics up? I think K had
a pic up somewhere ...)

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Message no. 113
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:55:27 -0600
On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:43:53 -0700 "GRANITE" <granite@**.net> writes:
<SNIP>
>Which reminds me..K..How many shirt were
>purchased ast year??
<SNIP>

K, IIRC, unsubbed from the list indefinately and has yet to return. If
you need anything from K it should be sent privately.

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Message no. 114
From: Neil Clark neil.clark@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:15:22 -0500
|>> What's all this BABY stuff about anywho?
|>
|>It is a legacy of FASA biggest misstake ever ... only releasing a
|>very limited edition of the hardback third edition ...
|
| Well, maybe second biggest. I think "The Art of Shadowrun" is still
|the title-holder. :) But thanks for the explanation(to all those kind
|enough to answer this ol' 2nd ed. war-horse).


say, I'm curious: I can understand how bad an idea making a limited print
of the BABY was, but what's wrong with the Art of Shadowrun book? I bought
it myself, and I quite like some of the art in there. was there some legal
entanglement surrounding it's publications I'm unaware of? just curious, it
sounds like I'm not in on something pretty major.

--Neil
Message no. 115
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:31:11 -0600
:Mongoose did last year's shirt (Do you still have pics up? I think K had
:a pic up somewhere ...)


No, I have a new website, so all that is GONE (it was just thumbnails
anyhow). K had some examples of people wearing the shirt, though.
I have been playing with the stuff in PhotoShop, though. The results
are VERY nice- if there's list support for me putting the (much improved)
t-shit images up on the web as screen BG's, I will.

I'd be more than happy to do the back text this year- I figured out
how to do that circular arrangement of names I wanted. Whoever does it-
I'd suggest getting somebody to double check it. :)
On the design side, I learned from my mistakes, and hope others will
also- use some shading and textures, and DON'T worry about the files
sizes. Post reasonably sized JPGS or GIFS for us to vote on, but get a
zip drive if you really want to send a decent image to the printers. Last
years shirt was OK, but really reflected some technical constraints I had
at the time.

But as for all these groovy troll chasing cow in jetplane type images;
I am a LOUSY illustrator. Any sort of proposal that involves illustration
of a human figure or other complex object is right out, in my book,
because (afaik), we don't have any illustrators on this list. IMO, stick
figures don't cut it either- although, if you really go at them in
PhotoShop, adding nice textured backgrounds and stuff, they can almost
cut.
One alternative might be using modified PHOTOGRAPHS for these fancier
ideas (I find costuming and photo modification easier than raw
illustration). We are still talking a LOT of work...
PhotoShop supports halftoning (and most printshops could halftone a
JPG or other digital image for free anyway), so any B+W photo (or other
continuos tone image) would be cheap to print, and even full color is not
prohibitive.

Mongoose
Message no. 116
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:03:15 +0100
According to Mongoose, at 18:31 on 21 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> No, I have a new website, so all that is GONE (it was just thumbnails
> anyhow). K had some examples of people wearing the shirt, though.

It'd be easy enough to put a shirt onto a scanner and produce some pics
that way. I also have some photos of people wearing the shirt at GenCon
last year but none where the back is really visible (half of it can be
seen in one picture, but that's it). Of course, if you still have the
originals somewhere that would make this much easier all-round.

> I have been playing with the stuff in PhotoShop, though. The results
> are VERY nice- if there's list support for me putting the (much improved)
> t-shit images up on the web as screen BG's, I will.
^^^^
No, thank you :)

> I'd suggest getting somebody to double check it. :)

Just to make sure everything's striaght, yeah ;)

> But as for all these groovy troll chasing cow in jetplane type images;
> I am a LOUSY illustrator. Any sort of proposal that involves illustration
> of a human figure or other complex object is right out, in my book,
> because (afaik), we don't have any illustrators on this list.

It's the same problem every year: all kinds of grand ideas involving
drawings of all kinds of stuff, but we never seem to have anybody capable
of doing such art. Thomas Deeny (who did the 1996 and 1997 shirts) did,
but he's long disappeared.

However, one thing I feel should certainly be on the front of the shirt is
the list name, or names -- the old shirts weren't just for ShadowRN but
also NERPS, ShadowTK, and Plot-D. I guess this year we can add SCR as
well. Last year's shirt had cool art, but it lacked the list name(s) so
it's only recognizable as a ShadowRN shirt when you can see the back.

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Message no. 117
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:51:24 -0600
On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:31:11 -0600 "Mongoose" <m0ng005e@*********.com>
writes:
<SNIP>
> But as for all these groovy troll chasing cow in jetplane type
images;
>I am a LOUSY illustrator. Any sort of proposal that involves
illustration
>of a human figure or other complex object is right out, in my book,
>because (afaik), we don't have any illustrators on this list.
<SNIP>

Hey! I may not be a professional illustrator but I am pretty damn good.
The only snag is that I almost exclusively work in pencils and
transfering a good pencil drawing to ink doesn't always go smoothly.
With the proper reference material I can probably get what you want done
in decent to good quality. There may, however be trouble finding time
for the many redraws. :)

> One alternative might be using modified PHOTOGRAPHS for these
fancier
>ideas (I find costuming and photo modification easier than raw
>illustration). We are still talking a LOT of work...
<SNIP>

Now this is something I want to get into but can't seem to ... :/

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Message no. 118
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:31:48 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did dghost@****.com hastily scribble thusly...
|Hey! I may not be a professional illustrator but I am pretty damn good.
|The only snag is that I almost exclusively work in pencils and
|transfering a good pencil drawing to ink doesn't always go smoothly.

No need to do that.
Why not do the drawing, and then scan it into the old 'pooter?
(Then you can fiddle with the contrast levels, and make it printable)

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Message no. 119
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:22:13 -0500
Pantherr wrote:
> > >No offense, but the part about the baby # on the back sounds like
> > >nothing more than a good excuse to say "ha-ha, I've got one and
> > >you don't". IOW, an ego trip. :P
>
Just like having one's name printed on the back.

> > Yeah so? And the reason that this is bad is?
>
> It's an excuse for elitism, to act holier-than-thou, etc. Which is one
> thing I find exceedingly disgusting :)
>
Thou shouldst watch thy tongue, lest I smite thee with an aged fish. ;-)

Seriously - this isn't a "let's be nice to everybody" thing, this is an
"I want my name on a shirt!" thing. We're thinking of printing T-shirts
to promote ourselves - that's a pretty big trip as is.

In any case, I'm happy and proud that I got a BABY - and let's face it,
most of the people who are going to be buying shirts got one. Therefore
it isn't elitism, it's democracy. :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 120
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:04:21 -0500
I wrote:
> Thou shouldst watch thy tongue, lest I smite thee with an aged fish. ;-)
>
On the topic of fish, I sat down and drew up a couple of carp (one in
a circle, for a breast-style thingy and one in a parody of the "S"),
which naturally led me to thinking...

Train of thought follows. Please remember to get off at your stop...

Carp leads to:
- Remember that "Not in *my* game!" picture from FoF? A parody of
that, with the GM holding SR3 in one hand and waving a carp with the
other.
Leading naturally to:
- Too bad there aren't any excellent artists that have stepped forward.
A couple of designs were suggested last year that were done by actual
artists, but they weren't SR-oriented.
- They weren't SR-oriented, but a couple of them could be cyberpunkish
with a few modifications (like matrix-style warp-ige)
- Those in NA will have heard of the new movie "The Matrix" - why not
subvert *that*? Something like "The Matrix: Welcome to *our* world."
or "The Matrix: We Were Here First." with an image of a
runner/listmember dodging a bunch of thrown carp?

James Ojaste
Message no. 121
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:28:43 -0700 (MST)
Joshua Bell wrote:
/
/ What about a cool quote on the t-shirt :

"Thank God we're in a bowling alley."
- Mayor of Pleasantville

-David B.
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Message no. 122
From: The Fixer the_fixer@**********.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:19:56 -0500
>Joshua Bell wrote:
>/
>/ What about a cool quote on the t-shirt :


How about a picture of a decker connected to a computer
with the quote:

"Stay wired in, with ShadowRN."

Fixer
Message no. 123
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:39:10 -0500
>
> |At 01:39 21/03/99 +0000 Stefan wrote
> |>> Actually the "Menthos" commercial with the runner hanging from
the chopper.
> |>>
> |>> or the Dunkie dolls from Bulls Christmas.
> |>>
> |>
> |>perhaps we should have one of them "tickle me DUnky" or something
> |>instead. That would be kinda cool ....
>
> :)

Err...I wouldn't be caught dead in a tickle-me-ANYTHING shirt...people tend to try
and tickle me whether my shirt says to or not, and I DON'T LIKE IT!

Seriously, though...I loathe the Mentos commercials. I think we should go with
something non-pop-culture-faddish, for what it's worth, so I can wear it even after
everyone's forgotten the reference.

--Jett
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Message no. 124
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:41:45 -0500
Once upon a time, Jett wrote;

>Seriously, though...I loathe the Mentos commercials. I think we should go
>with something non-pop-culture-faddish, for what it's worth, so I can wear
>it even after everyone's forgotten the reference.

I'm all about Pop Culture. I will proudly stand behind my last idea.

Got NERPS?

It's perfect!
B>]#

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
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Message no. 125
From: Michael Berman jberman@*****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:29:15 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org
[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.org]On Behalf Of MC23
Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 3:42 PM
To: ShadowRN
Subject: Re: T-shirt time!


|Once upon a time, Jett wrote;

|>Seriously, though...I loathe the Mentos commercials. I think we should go
|>with something non-pop-culture-faddish, for what it's worth, so I can wear
|>it even after everyone's forgotten the reference.

|I'm all about Pop Culture. I will proudly stand behind my last idea.

|Got NERPS?

|It's perfect!
|B>]#

I agree most whole-heartedly, Got NERPS?? sounds like a great t-shirt idea,
but i think on the back should go the list of things nerps does from
Shadowbeat, y'know that: nerps for pain... nerps for dinner... nerps...

and thats my 3.987 cents (goddamn inflation)

"To survive the longest you must think the hardest" - Ansarok
Message no. 126
From: grahamdrew grahamdrew@*********.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:29:45 -0500
Michael Berman wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org
> [mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.org]On Behalf Of MC23
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 3:42 PM
> To: ShadowRN
> Subject: Re: T-shirt time!
>
> |Once upon a time, Jett wrote;
>
> |>Seriously, though...I loathe the Mentos commercials. I think we should go
> |>with something non-pop-culture-faddish, for what it's worth, so I can wear
> |>it even after everyone's forgotten the reference.
>
> |I'm all about Pop Culture. I will proudly stand behind my last idea.
>
> |Got NERPS?
>
> |It's perfect!
> |B>]#
>
> I agree most whole-heartedly, Got NERPS?? sounds like a great t-shirt idea,
> but i think on the back should go the list of things nerps does from
> Shadowbeat, y'know that: nerps for pain... nerps for dinner... nerps...
>
> and thats my 3.987 cents (goddamn inflation)
>
> "To survive the longest you must think the hardest" - Ansarok

Well, the list of names has traditionally adorned the back. The NERPS
add in Shadowbeat would take up way too much space, unless we screened
it into the background somehow (sounds expensive though). Unless we put
it on the front, space would be a major problem, and I don't know about
you, but it just doesn't seem like a centerpiece kind of thing.

What ever happened to the 3 other ideas from last year? (aka the
illistrated Shadowrun proverb, "Conserver ammo..." etc). Pulling one of
them out and revamping it sounds like a fine idea.
--
If a device is designed to do one thing really well, it can be
redesigned to do many things badly.
-Paranoia
Message no. 127
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:35:01 -0600
On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:31:48 +0000 (GMT) A Halliwell
<u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk> writes:
>And verily, did dghost@****.com hastily scribble thusly...
>|Hey! I may not be a professional illustrator but I am pretty damn
good.
>|The only snag is that I almost exclusively work in pencils and
>|transfering a good pencil drawing to ink doesn't always go smoothly.

>No need to do that.
>Why not do the drawing, and then scan it into the old 'pooter?
>(Then you can fiddle with the contrast levels, and make it printable)

I just tried that today ... well scanning it anyway and well, it looks so
so ...
Anybody want to volounteer some webspace and/or attempt to touch it up?
It's a incomplete drawing of my Champions/Hero character (a cross between
Usagi Yojimbo [sp?] and Doc Holiday.). It's, IIRC, ~120kb JPG.

(If someone can donate websapce, it can show the list what I can do with
people and people-like beings :)

--
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(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"You, you're like a spoonful of whoopass." --Grace
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
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Message no. 128
From: Patrick Driggett psychopat@***.gulf.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:57:58 -0600
At 07:35 PM 3/22/99 -0600, you wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:31:48 +0000 (GMT) A Halliwell
><u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk> writes:
>>And verily, did dghost@****.com hastily scribble thusly...
>>|Hey! I may not be a professional illustrator but I am pretty damn
>good.
>>|The only snag is that I almost exclusively work in pencils and
>>|transfering a good pencil drawing to ink doesn't always go smoothly.
>
>>No need to do that.
>>Why not do the drawing, and then scan it into the old 'pooter?
>>(Then you can fiddle with the contrast levels, and make it printable)
>
>I just tried that today ... well scanning it anyway and well, it looks so
>so ...
>Anybody want to volounteer some webspace and/or attempt to touch it up?
>It's a incomplete drawing of my Champions/Hero character (a cross between
>Usagi Yojimbo [sp?] and Doc Holiday.). It's, IIRC, ~120kb JPG.
>
>(If someone can donate websapce, it can show the list what I can do with
>people and people-like beings :)
>
>--
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>(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
>"You, you're like a spoonful of whoopass." --Grace
>"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
>Edition)
>
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I volunteer the space, just send it to me and i'll post it up
Message no. 129
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:14:24 -0600
>Got NERPS?

Now this I like.... <g>

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 130
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:10:49 -0800
According to Anders Swenson, at 21:14 on 20 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> Maybe I missed something, but who besides the dozens of us on the RN would
> be interested anyway? The only people who buy T-shirts with names on the
> back who aren't part of the list are parents, and most of us are a little
> old for that.


Then Gurth said:

To be parents, or to have your parents buy T-shirts for you? :)


To have parents who want to buy an adult size shirt because it has their
kid's name on it, or to support the swin team etc. that issued the shirt as
a fund raiser.

At any rate, the list of names has traditionally included only the names
of the listmembers who actually bought a shirt -- including _all_
listmembers would likely require us to put names on the front, back, and
sides, both on the inside and outside of the shirt. The deal basically is
to buy a shirt with your name on it (among many others).


Of course, and I certainly am awaiting the address and the amount.

That also means everyone has to pay for it before the artwork is finished
(IOW before they actually get printed), so we'll have to find someone
trustworthy to collect the money and have the shirts printed up.


PS, If somebody like me is needed to do the job, I could coordinate finances
and shipments for my part (West Coast) of North America. --Anders
Message no. 131
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: T-Shirt Time
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:24:37 -0600
>How about a quote that's short enough to be read without staring at the
>wearer long enough to be arrested for prowling?

"Bullets have no jurisdiction."

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 132
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:58:15 -0600
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:14:24 -0600 "Patrick Goodman" <remo@***.net>
writes:
>>Got NERPS?

>Now this I like.... <g>

How about this: A 3 quarters view of pill with a 3-D cut (what's the
word for the opposite of relief where the image goes in instead of out?
or are they both relief?) of SR 'S' imbedded in it.
Below (or above) it: "Got Nerps?"

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D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"You, you're like a spoonful of whoopass." --Grace
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
Edition)

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Message no. 133
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:37:41 +1000
>>>Got NERPS?
>
>>Now this I like.... <g>
>
>How about this: A 3 quarters view of pill with a 3-D cut (what's the
>word for the opposite of relief where the image goes in instead of out?
>or are they both relief?) of SR 'S' imbedded in it.
>Below (or above) it: "Got Nerps?"

That's pretty cool, and should be easy to construct. I'll have a tinker in
Bryce tonight...

Lady Jestyr

Quantum physics is God's way of saying "Ha! Solve THAT!"
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Message no. 134
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:30:07 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did dghost@****.com hastily scribble thusly...
|(If someone can donate websapce, it can show the list what I can do with
|people and people-like beings :)

Who needs to donate Web space?
Get a freebie account at Geoshitties....
(You never know when you might want to use it, and you get about 10Megs of
web space free...)

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Message no. 135
From: Thanatos sthanatos@****.geocities.com
Subject: T-Shirt Time!
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:02:53 -0500
Idea:

How about on the front the Fancy SR3 S in Dark Electric blue on black,
and on the back, in the middle of all the names, someone draw a a big
cartoonish
cybered w*odch*ck holding a deck.

...ShadowRN: Better than a Cybered W*odch*ck, Chummer.

eh? eh? Come on, its cool!


sThanatos
Message no. 136
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: T-shirt time!
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:23:04 -0500
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:58:15 -0600 dghost@****.com writes:
<SNIP>
>How about this: A 3 quarters view of pill with a 3-D cut (what's the
>word for the opposite of relief where the image goes in instead of
>out? or are they both relief?) of SR 'S' imbedded in it.
>Below (or above) it: "Got Nerps?"

Hey, can anyone of you CGI-inclined listmembers pull this off? It may
not make it to a shirt but I want to make it the BG on my website (with
proper acknowledgements :). Thanks.

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