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Message no. 1
From: 'K' is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:35:16 EDT
Okay folks, the meeting with Kay and Ken went well enough, but NOT enough in
my opinion...but hey, I have very high expectations here.

First of all, Kay gave me a price concerning the new pro-performance transfers
of theirs on gray and/or white shirts...50/50 prewashed starting at

$8.00 american, in sizes up to X-Large
+$1.00 american in larger sizes.

That is for a two sided, one color, printing. Two-color options, which might
get even longer in the decision making process for the list-folks is an
addition $1.20 - $1.50 american.

I tried on an X-Large myself, and I am not a small guy. Granted, I don't
believe I am as a large a guy as Tinner (no offense, just the truth). It
would fit, but I still like more than necessary room, so I'm probably going
for the XX-Large myself.

(Just how big am I???? ooo, that's personal. 5'11", 240 pounds, 50" chest
(suit size tells me so), 38" waist (according to my work slacks))

Kay also said the price -might- be lower, depending on how well she can works
things out. As much as $2.00 american lower, but NO ONE should hold their
breath on this one IMO.

Screen Prints

Okay folks, this is where someone should really educate me on the differences
of Screen Prints and Transfers. I'm not talking standard Iron-On transfers
here, I'm talking processed transfers. What exactly is a "Screen Print",
because two shops here in town both have informed me that the newer transfer
methods, if done professionally as ours are gonna be, are NOT any different.
One of those shops has been around on Campus now for years and doing just
fine. They aren't getting my business however unless they can get their
prices closer to Kay's. OR, you guys get on my case and claim you are willing
to pay more for Screen Prints ( a LOT more here).

Shirt Color

Found a bunch of reasons for the "not wanting black" thing. Aside from White
printing, most other color schemes do NOT stand out from the black very well,
and if the list decides to go with an image on par with Mongoose's, we do NOT
want black. I was going for the "Ash Gray" color suggestion myself. Again,
dark color shirts would require the screen printing, and that does cost more.

The trick is two fold here.

First of all, we need a minimum shirt order of 50 shirts. So far, I don't
know about what Drek has collected, but I've only got no more than 6 (ignoring
Mongoose' potential order of 15 for now :).

I dropped prints from Granite's stuff to Kay, and she has what I gave her to
use to gain more information. I kept the text from the website (Hacker House
Link) equal to standard VGA and did a screen print to the printer. That text
it seems will work just fine, and at that size/scale.

Other suggestions.

Mongoose is really working his butt off for those images (the Cog & Wheel)
design, and I personally think those were really good. My suggestion was to
have the "ShadowRN" design on both front and back, slightly smaller on the
front and off center (towards the heart side) and with the Cogs & Wheels of
Mongoose's running down the central shirt front. Kind of a "ShadowRN is where
my heart is found, this is what my internals look like" theme.

Granite's suggestion for text (columnar) will work out a LOT better than the
circular thing, especially when it comes to merging list names/orders and time
constraints.

Time is the next topic.

from the point the order is made, Kay is shooting for about 10-14 days to
completely feel all orders that are made initially. She is also leaving an
option open for us to come back and get even more in this manner, say someone
decides they want one after they join RN for this year.

Color of Printing.

I got in touch with Mr. Mulhillvil on Friday (snagged that guy good). He as
yet does NOT know what color the SR3 is going to be, but after I explained the
situation to him (and made a suggestion), he promised he would try and get
some "Cover Art" up to the website within a short while (I'm going to keep my
karmic fingers crossed here for the time being at least).

Mongoose and I are currently having a jovial little consideration as to whom
gets' to hand over the shirt(s) to Mike's daughter Clementine at the Con. Me,
I think I'm gonna win, but who knows. Granite, anybody, ideas, further
suggestions, what?

Payment Style

Okay, in everyone's security interest, I am looking at this. Kay and Ken
-WILL- accept individual payments from people on this, but NOT in the form of
Personal Checks. Money Orders or Cashier's Checks are available. Ken also
suggested Traveler's Checks in US Dollar values, but then the problem with
"change" being returned might get annoying. I don't know if they'd take a
Credit Card over the phone or not, as I didn't pursue that line of
questioning, giving how involved they were both starting to get on the
physical project side of things. And the concept of a receipt for each order
DOES exist in this manner, with no additional difficulty or complaints on
either of their behalf. Again, anyone International, I would have to have the
end payment in some form of US currency.

Shipping

Okay, Mike has told me that a single shirt, sent priority mail would cost
about $3.00 american to anywhere in the US. To the folks on the International
Side, I don't have that information as the rates would vary according to end
destination. I could look this up on the UPS side of things from work if
you'd like, but again I'd need destinations. Paolo, Tobias, Rune, Bira,
anyone....????

That is about it for now. IIRC, the voting on images begins on the 5th of
June and runs for a whole week at least. Image types need to be sent to Tim
(drekhead) IIRC so as to create a links page for the works.

=K
Message no. 2
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 10:57:03 -0500
I like the idea of ash gray myself...can only wear so much black.
Printing color and type will be determined by design selected, I would
think. If the printing is durable, I am for it. Everything else looks
good, K.

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Message no. 3
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 12:14:19 -0400
'K' is the Symbol wrote:
<snip tshirt info>
ok so the base price is $8.00 Lg, plus $3.00 s/h. then you add in
another $1.20 for double print. So the base price really is wavering
around $12.20 american dollars for the shirt correct or am i wrong?

ps where are these shirts being shipped out of?

--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 4
From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:15:40 GMT
On 31 May 98 15:35:16 GMT, Ereskanti@***.COM ('K' is the Symbol) disseminated
foul capitalist propaganda by writing:

<this part shown cloaked>
>Payment Style
[...]
>Credit Card over the phone or not, as I didn't pursue that line of
[...]

OK, the question is: would it be possible to pay with a VISA credit card? Any
other form of payment is too much hassle for me. ;-//

Because if it's not, well, count me out.

[...]
>destination. I could look this up on the UPS side of things from work if
>you'd like, but again I'd need destinations. Paolo, Tobias, Rune, Bira,
>anyone....????

Eastern Europe?

For books (well, RPG books) I usually pay something like 6$ for shipping...

>=K
Leslie
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Message no. 5
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:27:08 -0400
On 31 May 98, at 11:35, 'K' is the Symbol wrote:

> That is about it for now. IIRC, the voting on images begins on the 5th of
> June and runs for a whole week at least. Image types need to be sent to
> Tim (drekhead) IIRC so as to create a links page for the works.

Good information Keith, thanks. Yes, remember that the deadline for
submitting art is June 5th. Please send me the URL where the art can
be viewed to <drekhead@***.net>. I will compile a list of links and post
it on June 6th, and then voting can begin. Voting will run through June 12th.
(Contact me privately about other options if you want to submit art
but do not have web access).

Voting - voting will be done via e-mail to me personally, unless someone
can help me with a script I can post on the web site. (Contact me privately).
Details about voting will be forthcoming.

Keith, I know you mention that you do not have firm numbers of shirt
orders, but that will change when the art work is decided on. A lot of
people do not want to commit to a shirt without knowing what it will look
like. As for shirt color, I don't think we can decide that at this point
either. The final art may only look good on certain colors, so we should
probably wait until then to decide what color to use, IMHO.

--




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- Tim Kerby - drekhead@***.net - ICQ-UIN 2883757 -
-----------------------------------------------------------------
"Reality is the only obstacle to happiness." - Unknown
Message no. 6
From: 'K' is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:13:53 EDT
In a message dated 5/31/98 12:15:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
trrkt@*****.ONET.PL writes:

> >Payment Style
> [...]
> >Credit Card over the phone or not, as I didn't pursue that line of
> [...]
>
> OK, the question is: would it be possible to pay with a VISA credit card?
> Any
> other form of payment is too much hassle for me. ;-//
>
> Because if it's not, well, count me out.
>
hmmm...I will definitely look into this Leslie. I'm sure we can figure
something out for all you people with working cards...

=K (who is going to have his cleared up for the Con!!! YIPPEEEEE!!!!)
Message no. 7
From: 'K' is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:16:06 EDT
In a message dated 5/31/98 11:12:55 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
bigdaddy@*****.COM writes:

> 'K' is the Symbol wrote:
> <snip tshirt info>
> ok so the base price is $8.00 Lg, plus $3.00 s/h. then you add in
> another $1.20 for double print. So the base price really is wavering
> around $12.20 american dollars for the shirt correct or am i wrong?
>
> ps where are these shirts being shipped out of?
>
> -
On the price,yes. PoO...Lafayette Indiana...

=K
Message no. 8
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:20:46 -0400
'K' is the Symbol wrote:

>
> I tried on an X-Large myself, and I am not a small guy. Granted, I don't
> believe I am as a large a guy as Tinner (no offense, just the truth). It
> would fit, but I still like more than necessary room, so I'm probably going
> for the XX-Large myself.
>


I'd just as soon have an XXXL myself. I'm not small, either, especially
in the chest, and too big is better than too small as far as shirts are
concerned, and I like my shirts baggy.

-- Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>

"Remember, it IS as bad as you think, and they ARE out to get you."

http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 9
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:52:40 -0500
On Sun, 31 May 1998 11:35:16 EDT "'K' is the Symbol" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
<bit 'ol snip>

>First of all, we need a minimum shirt order of 50 shirts. So far, I
don't
>know about what Drek has collected, but I've only got no more than 6
(ignoring
>Mongoose' potential order of 15 for now :).


Well, I'd be happy to buy a shirt, so I 'spose you can add another name
to that list. As far as color goes, I like black, but any neutral color
is pretty cool with me (assuming the color scheme isn't truly atrocious
like I've heard about last year's shirt:)


--
John Pederson "Reality is a greasy beast"
aka Canthros, shapeshifter-mage --Colin P. Hill
lobo1@****.com canthros1@***.com john.e.pederson@***********.edu
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/4864 ICQ UIN 3190186

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Message no. 10
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:03:32 -0500
On Sun, 31 May 1998 15:52:40 -0500 John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
writes:
>On Sun, 31 May 1998 11:35:16 EDT "'K' is the Symbol"
<Ereskanti@***.COM>
>writes: <bit 'ol snip>

>>First of all, we need a minimum shirt order of 50 shirts. So far, I
don't >>know about what Drek has collected, but I've only got no more
than 6 >>(ignoring Mongoose' potential order of 15 for now :).

>Well, I'd be happy to buy a shirt, so I 'spose you can add another name
>to that list. As far as color goes, I like black, but any neutral
>color is pretty cool with me (assuming the color scheme isn't truly
>atrocious like I've heard about last year's shirt:)
>
>--
>John Pederson <SNIP>

Though I don't like buying shirts that aren't 100% cotton, I might if the
design is particularly nifty ... I also prefer black, but I also like
grey & white (White is especially nice for the summer here in houston,
where not too long ago we hit 95 degrees Farenheit or 35 degrees Celsius)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)

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