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Message no. 1
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: TV inspirations.....
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:30:15 +0100
I know it's an old thread, but there've been some good TV programmes on SKY
1 recently that're PERFECT for the world of shadowrn....

I'll just put in a mention of the 2 I think would bring good plots in...

1> Guess.... (A *VERY* easy guess)

"There are Pretenders among us. Genuises who can be anything they want to
be. In 1963^H^H^H^H2033 a corporation known as "The Centre" isolated a young
Pretender named Jarod and used him in their research....

Then one day, their pretender ran away...."
<Cue opening theme tune.>


2> Thomas Veil.... (Nowhere Man)
Man has a picture/photograph of an execution. He hid the negatives because
it was valuable. Then, one day, he's at a restaraunt with his wife, goes to
the loo, and when he comes out, his life is gone... *poof*.

His wife doesn't recognise him, he's institutionalised, escapes, kills the
"doctor" who was "treating him" and escapes just as the baddies raid
his
studio. (HE retrieves his negatives and hides them in much securer
locations.)

Then he finds his best friend has been murdered and his mother had a stroke
(and is too scared to acknowledge his identity...)

etc etc etc....
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Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:40:38 -0600
Spike wrote:
/
/ I know it's an old thread, but there've been some good TV programmes on SKY
/ 1 recently that're PERFECT for the world of shadowrn....
/
/ I'll just put in a mention of the 2 I think would bring good plots in...
/
/ 1> Guess.... (A *VERY* easy guess)
/
/ "There are Pretenders among us. Genuises who can be anything they want to
/ be. In 1963^H^H^H^H2033 a corporation known as "The Centre" isolated a young
/ Pretender named Jarod and used him in their research....
/
/ Then one day, their pretender ran away...."
/ <Cue opening theme tune.>

Yep, that would be a great opener for a shadowrun campaign. The PCs would
definitely be motivated to hide in the shadows. And the GM has a nice
ongoing campaign theme.

/ 2> Thomas Veil.... (Nowhere Man)
/ Man has a picture/photograph of an execution. He hid the negatives because
/ it was valuable. Then, one day, he's at a restaraunt with his wife, goes to
/ the loo, and when he comes out, his life is gone... *poof*.

My question is, if whoever took away his life had the power to do that,
why couldn't they track down the negatives and then wax him? Or, I'd
have insinuated my agents into his life and wait for the negatives to
show up and then grab them.

The Pretender I'll buy as something that could and would happen, but
Nowhere man didn't seem plausible to me.

-David
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Message no. 3
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:45:10 +0100
And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
|My question is, if whoever took away his life had the power to do that,
|why couldn't they track down the negatives and then wax him? Or, I'd
|have insinuated my agents into his life and wait for the negatives to
|show up and then grab them.
|
|The Pretender I'll buy as something that could and would happen, but
|Nowhere man didn't seem plausible to me.

It seems a BIT strange sometimes, but I think the idea is, yes, they COULD
just get the negatives. But that's only the focus they're using on him.
I don't think they CARE about the negatives. I think they just want to break
him, and making him protect those negatives gives him, and them, a frame of
reference.

From what I've seen so far, the entire "institution" seems to be acting like
a bunch of free spirits doing the "Player" thing.

They're playing with him for their own sadistic amusement and nothing more.
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Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:15:45 -0600
Spike wrote:
/
/ And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
/ |My question is, if whoever took away his life had the power to do that,
/ |why couldn't they track down the negatives and then wax him? Or, I'd
/ |have insinuated my agents into his life and wait for the negatives to
/ |show up and then grab them.
/ |
/ |The Pretender I'll buy as something that could and would happen, but
/ |Nowhere man didn't seem plausible to me.
/
/ It seems a BIT strange sometimes, but I think the idea is, yes, they COULD
/ just get the negatives. But that's only the focus they're using on him.
/ I don't think they CARE about the negatives. I think they just want to break
/ him, and making him protect those negatives gives him, and them, a frame of
/ reference.
/
/ From what I've seen so far, the entire "institution" seems to be acting like
/ a bunch of free spirits doing the "Player" thing.
/
/ They're playing with him for their own sadistic amusement and nothing more.

Sounds like a Horror to me <EGMG>. You know, maybe it's not such a bad
idea after all <ReallyEGMG>.

-David
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Message no. 5
From: John E Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:20:22 -0500
David Buehrer wrote:
>
> Spike wrote:
> / It seems a BIT strange sometimes, but I think the idea is, yes, they COULD
> / just get the negatives. But that's only the focus they're using on him.
> / I don't think they CARE about the negatives. I think they just want to break
> / him, and making him protect those negatives gives him, and them, a frame of
> / reference.
> /
> / From what I've seen so far, the entire "institution" seems to be acting
like
> / a bunch of free spirits doing the "Player" thing.
> /
> / They're playing with him for their own sadistic amusement and nothing more.
>
> Sounds like a Horror to me <EGMG>. You know, maybe it's not such a bad
> idea after all <ReallyEGMG>.


*laugh* I actually watched that show when it was on around here a while back and
saw the last several episodes (so I know how it ends). 'Twas very interesting
and it does explain what they're really after. No more shall I say lest I
destroy the enjoyment of the same discovery, though:)


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Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:57:12 +0100
And verily, did John E Pederson hastily scribble thusly...
|*laugh* I actually watched that show when it was on around here a while back and
|saw the last several episodes (so I know how it ends). 'Twas very interesting
|and it does explain what they're really after. No more shall I say lest I
|destroy the enjoyment of the same discovery, though:)

Thanks.
How many episodes were made?
(The last one I saw involved a "renegade" giving /tom a database full of
juicy stuff that should lead him to the head baddy.)
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Message no. 7
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:32:12 EDT
In a message dated 8/29/98 5:31:35 PM AST, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

> I'll just put in a mention of the 2 I think would bring good plots in...
>
> 1> Guess.... (A *VERY* easy guess)
>
> "There are Pretenders among us. Genuises who can be anything they want to
> be. In 1963^H^H^H^H2033 a corporation known as "The Centre" isolated a
young
> Pretender named Jarod and used him in their research....
>

I would add Millennium. Lots of nasty business going down with groups whos
motives remain unclear.
Message no. 8
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:35:52 -0400
At 03:40 PM 8/29/98 -0600, you wrote:

>/ "There are Pretenders among us. Genuises who can be anything they want to
>/ be. In 1963^H^H^H^H2033 a corporation known as "The Centre" isolated a
young
>/ Pretender named Jarod and used him in their research....
>/
>/ Then one day, their pretender ran away...."
>/ <Cue opening theme tune.>
>
>Yep, that would be a great opener for a shadowrun campaign. The PCs would
>definitely be motivated to hide in the shadows. And the GM has a nice
>ongoing campaign theme.

Ick. Stupid show. Me no like. Does have some SR potential however.

>/ 2> Thomas Veil.... (Nowhere Man)
>/ Man has a picture/photograph of an execution. He hid the negatives because
>/ it was valuable. Then, one day, he's at a restaraunt with his wife, goes to
>/ the loo, and when he comes out, his life is gone... *poof*.

Oooh, I loved this show. So weird and quirky!

>My question is, if whoever took away his life had the power to do that,
>why couldn't they track down the negatives and then wax him? Or, I'd
>have insinuated my agents into his life and wait for the negatives to
>show up and then grab them.

I think "They" didn't know where the negatives were either or exactly what
Thomas Vale/Veil had photographed. So in order to get those negatives,
they had to try and break him, which they did mostly by trying to insinuate
their agents into his like. And he kept moving and kept making copies of
the negatives and hiding them and mailing them and whatnot.

Hmmmm...but still, shadowrunners on the run, surviving by their wits and
talents, not sure who is a friend and who shouldn't be trusted...could be
done...

>The Pretender I'll buy as something that could and would happen, but
>Nowhere man didn't seem plausible to me.

Nowhere Man would be possible, but difficult to pull off.

One thing I'm going to try and do is incorporate some concepts/ideas from
Millenium (my favorite show) into my SR game. It's fascinating to watch
the mix of religion, real secret societies and fiction blend...

Erik J.
Message no. 9
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:54:36 -0400
On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Erik Jameson wrote:

->At 03:40 PM 8/29/98 -0600, you wrote:
->
<snip Pretender bit>
->>/ 2> Thomas Veil.... (Nowhere Man)
->>/ Man has a picture/photograph of an execution. He hid the negatives because
->>/ it was valuable. Then, one day, he's at a restaraunt with his wife, goes to
->>/ the loo, and when he comes out, his life is gone... *poof*.
->
->Oooh, I loved this show. So weird and quirky!
->
->>My question is, if whoever took away his life had the power to do that,
->>why couldn't they track down the negatives and then wax him? Or, I'd
->>have insinuated my agents into his life and wait for the negatives to
->>show up and then grab them.
->
->I think "They" didn't know where the negatives were either or exactly what
->Thomas Vale/Veil had photographed. So in order to get those negatives,
->they had to try and break him, which they did mostly by trying to insinuate
->their agents into his like. And he kept moving and kept making copies of
->the negatives and hiding them and mailing them and whatnot.
->
->Hmmmm...but still, shadowrunners on the run, surviving by their wits and
->talents, not sure who is a friend and who shouldn't be trusted...could be
->done...
->>The Pretender I'll buy as something that could and would happen, but
->>Nowhere man didn't seem plausible to me.
->Nowhere Man would be possible, but difficult to pull off.

Maybe not: Shadowrunners get a copy of the Truename of an
EXTREMELY powerful spirit (say, powerful enough to cause deadly drain to
anyone who attempts to conjure it and a very high TN). Spirit finds out
and makes the runner's lives living hell. Every time they try to bind it,
something goes wrong to botch the ceremony (and kill Mr. Magi or whatever)
and the runners are running again.
Of course, you'd have to make the spirit powerful enough socially
to pull this off (say, one of the board of directors of Saeder-Krupp?)
otherwise it'd get old fast.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 10
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:27:46 -0400
Erik Jameson wrote:
> At 03:40 PM 8/29/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >/ 2> Thomas Veil.... (Nowhere Man)
> >/ Man has a picture/photograph of an execution. He hid the negatives because
> >/ it was valuable. Then, one day, he's at a restaraunt with his wife, goes to
> >/ the loo, and when he comes out, his life is gone... *poof*.
>
> Oooh, I loved this show. So weird and quirky!

Funny it should come up... _Nowhere Man_ is one of the major inspirations
for my upcoming campaign.

The PC's are created as "normal people" rather than shadowrunners.
They've got SINs, jobs, the whole works. Very little in the way of combat
skills, and certainly nothing in the way of combat spells or illegal
equipment.

Then, one day -- just before the game starts -- it all goes away.
Differently for each character, but one way or another they find
themselves without SINs, without friends, and without clues. The idea is
that they'll be brought together, and (hopefully) learn to survive in the
shadows while they gather their resources and begin to figure out who took
their lives away, and why.

Or they'll die quickly, and we'll try something different in the next
campaign. >8-> I can't say more, since I have players who read this
list, but if anyone's curious I'll let you know if it succeeds or fails.


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 11
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:48:02 -0500
>>/ Then one day, their pretender ran away...."
>>/ <Cue opening theme tune.>
>>
>>Yep, that would be a great opener for a shadowrun campaign. The PCs
would
>>definitely be motivated to hide in the shadows. And the GM has a nice
>>ongoing campaign theme.
>
>Ick. Stupid show. Me no like. Does have some SR potential however.

You don't like PRETENDER? Best show on TV this side of BABYLON 5.
Interesting.

The Centre does have a lot of potential, though. And it might be
getting a lot of work in my world here shortly.... <egmg>

>Hmmmm...but still, shadowrunners on the run, surviving by their wits
and
>talents, not sure who is a friend and who shouldn't be trusted...could
be
>done...

Should be done; I think that's a large part of the feel of the game.
Not to the extreme of NOWHERE MAN, true, but I think that should be a
good part of any game.

>One thing I'm going to try and do is incorporate some concepts/ideas
from
>Millenium (my favorite show) into my SR game. It's fascinating to
watch
>the mix of religion, real secret societies and fiction blend...

You're evil. I like that in a person.

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Message no. 12
From: Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:12:28 -0400
At 01:48 PM 8/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
>You don't like PRETENDER? Best show on TV this side of BABYLON 5.
>Interesting.
>
>The Centre does have a lot of potential, though. And it might be
>getting a lot of work in my world here shortly.... <egmg>

I personally found it amusing in one episode when Sidney was explaining
what went wrong to Broots:

"We were good once. We helped democracy in other countries, cured diseases.
Rumor has it we even invented the pope-mobile."

Paraphrased but you get the idea:)

So in 2060 the Centre is working on new expressions of magic, probably
cybermancy, and of course, they were the inventors of NERPS!

Sommers, BABY 932
"Hey, this is better than actually getting some work done."
Message no. 13
From: Steve Collins <einan@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:26:05 -0400
>At 01:48 PM 8/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>You don't like PRETENDER? Best show on TV this side of BABYLON 5.
>>Interesting.
>>
>>The Centre does have a lot of potential, though. And it might be
>>getting a lot of work in my world here shortly.... <egmg>

Some other Shows I can think of.

The Immortal : Old Show (60's) about this guy who due to a trick of his
blood chemestry is immortal, also having enzymes from his blood injected
into you makes you imortal for a period. A Doctor figures this out and
imprisons him then starts selling this Immortality serum to Certain
individuals. From Time to time he manages to escape and gets hunted
relentlessly. This may be a good reason to have a Shifter Character as it
could have something to do with his Regeneration power, or he could just
be an otherwise normal human.

Friday the 13th the Series : I know someone around here did a campaign
around this 2 years ago but I had to unsubscribe shortly after so I never
heard how it went. But it is a great concept either for individual runs
or an entire campaign.

Kung Fu the Legend Continues : It might make a decient low level
campaign, but it also can provide some good ideas for individual runs,
and characters.

Any Cop, Dective, or Lawyer Show : Hey don't they all deal with the
Shadows at some point or another. Again here you're looking only at
individual runs or possibly PC/NPC ideas.

Zorro : I know the Disney series is antiquated but hey you could get some
good run ideas out of it, especially for runs into Aztlan. Zorro himself
might make a cool NPC, Say some corp hires the runners to get rid of the
troublemaker.

MacGyver : Again Good ideas for individual runs and some really cool
recurring bad guys.

Tails of the Gold Monkey : You could possibly turn this into a treasure
hunting campaign in the sould Pacific (am I the only person who remembers
this show).

The A-Team : Hey if you can stand the campyness you can find some god
ideas for runs here.

KnightRider : Ditto

Viper : Ditto but more Modern.

Alien Nation : Good ideas for Alamos 20K Runs just treat the Aliens as
Metas.

If I spent more time I could probably come up with more but this is
enough for now.

Steve
Message no. 14
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:21:43 -0300
Dhl9@***.COM wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/29/98 5:31:35 PM AST, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:
>
> > I'll just put in a mention of the 2 I think would bring good plots in...
> >
> > 1> Guess.... (A *VERY* easy guess)
> >
> > "There are Pretenders among us. Genuises who can be anything they want to
> > be. In 1963^H^H^H^H2033 a corporation known as "The Centre" isolated
a
> young
> > Pretender named Jarod and used him in their research....
> >
>
> I would add Millennium. Lots of nasty business going down with groups whos
> motives remain unclear.


X-Files 2060 might surprise some players :) . Specially if you add
some
Shadowrun twists to the characters, or use different one within the
same FBI section...

Bira
Message no. 15
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:29:57 -0400
At 02:27 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote:

>Funny it should come up... _Nowhere Man_ is one of the major inspirations
>for my upcoming campaign.

Oh, you have got to keep the list posted on this one then...from your
description, it sounds very different than the vast majority of Shadowrun
games.

>The PC's are created as "normal people" rather than shadowrunners.
>They've got SINs, jobs, the whole works. Very little in the way of combat
>skills, and certainly nothing in the way of combat spells or illegal
>equipment.

I'd personally like to see some details on these PCs...how to make a
Upright Uptight Citizen survivable in the Shadows while still keeping them
UUC's and not combat monsters has got to be difficult.

>Then, one day -- just before the game starts -- it all goes away.
>Differently for each character, but one way or another they find
>themselves without SINs, without friends, and without clues. The idea is
>that they'll be brought together, and (hopefully) learn to survive in the
>shadows while they gather their resources and begin to figure out who took
>their lives away, and why.

The hard part will be bringing them together in a logical and dramatic
fashion I'd think. Oh, you've got to at least keep me posted on this one,
this sounds like a potentially fantastic campaign.

Erik J.


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Message no. 16
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:31:44 -0400
At 01:48 PM 8/31/98 -0500, you wrote:

>You don't like PRETENDER? Best show on TV this side of BABYLON 5.
>Interesting.
>
>The Centre does have a lot of potential, though. And it might be
>getting a lot of work in my world here shortly.... <egmg>

Nope. Just couldn't get into it.

>>Hmmmm...but still, shadowrunners on the run, surviving by their wits
>>and talents, not sure who is a friend and who shouldn't be trusted...could
>>be done...
>
>Should be done; I think that's a large part of the feel of the game.
>Not to the extreme of NOWHERE MAN, true, but I think that should be a
>good part of any game.

Oh, I meant that in the way that most SR games the runners have contacts
and advanced gear. Strip them of their contacts and their Big F*ckin' Guns
and tricked out combat cars and force them to survive with their wits and
skills alone.

>>One thing I'm going to try and do is incorporate some concepts/ideas
>>from Millenium (my favorite show) into my SR game. It's fascinating to
>>watch the mix of religion, real secret societies and fiction blend...
>
>You're evil. I like that in a person.

Heh. I think that's why I like Millenium so much...stay tuned for another
post on this specific topic...

Erik J.


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Message no. 17
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:08:16 +0100
And verily, did Steve Collins hastily scribble thusly...
|Friday the 13th the Series : I know someone around here did a campaign
|around this 2 years ago but I had to unsubscribe shortly after so I never
|heard how it went. But it is a great concept either for individual runs
|or an entire campaign.

Yup. I miss that programme. They only showed one series of it over here.
(I heard they made 3 series of it)

|Zorro : I know the Disney series is antiquated but hey you could get some
|good run ideas out of it, especially for runs into Aztlan. Zorro himself
|might make a cool NPC, Say some corp hires the runners to get rid of the
|troublemaker.

Even better... Zorry the gay blade....
(for an exceptionally silly campaign)

|MacGyver : Again Good ideas for individual runs and some really cool
|recurring bad guys.
|
|Tails of the Gold Monkey : You could possibly turn this into a treasure
|hunting campaign in the sould Pacific (am I the only person who remembers
|this show).

DAMN! I loved that programme. Another programme WELL overdue for a repeat.
It's not been on for well over 15 years.

|The A-Team : Hey if you can stand the campyness you can find some god
|ideas for runs here.

BUT...but no-one ever gets shot in that programme!
Where's the fun in emptying an entire clip at the baddies, and only blowing
up a few vehicles while not even scratching them?

:)


|KnightRider : Ditto
|
|Viper : Ditto but more Modern.

Never heard of it....
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Message no. 18
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:29:09 +0100
And verily, did Ubiratan P. Alberton hastily scribble thusly...
| X-Files 2060 might surprise some players :) . Specially if you add
|some
|Shadowrun twists to the characters, or use different one within the
|same FBI section...

Agents Mouldy and Sulky?
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Message no. 19
From: Steve Collins <einan@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:10:44 -0400
>|
>|Tails of the Gold Monkey : You could possibly turn this into a treasure
>|hunting campaign in the sould Pacific (am I the only person who remembers
>|this show).
>
>DAMN! I loved that programme. Another programme WELL overdue for a repeat.
>It's not been on for well over 15 years.

Yeah I was suprised it didn't last longer, I can't remember did it last 1
season or 2.

>
>|The A-Team : Hey if you can stand the campyness you can find some god
>|ideas for runs here.
>
>BUT...but no-one ever gets shot in that programme!
>Where's the fun in emptying an entire clip at the baddies, and only blowing
>up a few vehicles while not even scratching them?
>
>:)
>

Now here could be an interesting thing to do to a team, all of a sudden
for some reason no matter what they do their bullets never hit anybody
and the bad guys bullets never hit them, basically turn the run into an
episode of the A-Team. The cause, a POWERFUL free spirit selectively
using accident and guard, It's motivation? Well, it's just having fun.
Have it hide and Camofalge itself so it takes the team a while to figure
out why this is happening, then they have to figure out some way to make
it stop doing this to them. As a persona archetype use Q from Star Trek
TNG.

Steve
Message no. 20
From: Geoff Skellams <geoff.skellams@*********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:33:15 +1000
On Shadowrun Discussion, Spike[SMTP:u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK] wrote:
> |Zorro : I know the Disney series is antiquated but hey you could get
some
> |good run ideas out of it, especially for runs into Aztlan. Zorro
himself
> |might make a cool NPC, Say some corp hires the runners to get rid of
the
> |troublemaker.
>
> Even better... Zorry the gay blade....
> (for an exceptionally silly campaign)
>
God, that was a classic film (Ah HAAA! Two Fruits, One Vegetable
and One Flower!) If you haven't seen it, try and find it in the video
store. It's hilarious.

> |Tails of the Gold Monkey : You could possibly turn this into a
treasure
> |hunting campaign in the sould Pacific (am I the only person who
remembers
> |this show).
>
> DAMN! I loved that programme. Another programme WELL overdue for a
repeat.
> It's not been on for well over 15 years.
>
Cool! There are other people who remember this! I loved this
when it was on in the early 80s. The pilot especially was brilliant. It
might also have some good ideas for a pirate/smuggling campaign (If I
remember correctly, there was a bit of that sort of thing going on).

The one I'm surprised no one has mentioned is "Mission:
Impossible". I'm talking about the original TV series, not the movie
version that Tom Cruise made a couple of years back.
I picked up a book a few months back called "The Complete
Mission: Impossible Dossier" by Patrick White. It's basically an episode
guide for the show and it gives lots of background information on the
show. But perhaps the best thing about it is that it gives the
transcript for each of the mission briefing tapes ("Good Morning, Mr
Phelps...Your mission, should you choose to accept it...This tape will
self destruct in five seconds. Good Luck, Jim). It also gives a bit of a
brief run down on how the team managed to solve the mission and some
behind the scenes information about the episode.
It also explains the premise behind the show, which is basically
just a con. The team acheived their objectives by convincing the
opposing forces to give them what they wanted, rather than breaking in
and doing it all themselves (although sometimes there was a component of
this sort of thing in some of the shows).
I'm using it as the basis of a Shadowrun campaign (if I can ever
get around to getting it started). I'm setting it in the middle of the
Blood in the Boardroom stuff, with the players being agents for the
Draco Foundation. A couple of the players don't know about the
background to the game and it is easier to give them something they can
relate to.
I've just done a search for the book at Amazon.com and they can
get it for you. If nothing else, I recommend it as an ideas book, in
much the same way as "Dunklezahn's Secrets" is.

cheers
G
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Geoff Skellams R&D - TOWER Software
Email Address: geoff.skellams@*********.com.au
Homepage: http://www.towersoft.com.au/staff/geoff/
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"That rates about a 9.5 on my weird-shit-o-meter"
- Will Smith in "Men in Black"
Message no. 21
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:05:22 -0300
Spike wrote:
>
> And verily, did Ubiratan P. Alberton hastily scribble thusly...
> | X-Files 2060 might surprise some players :) . Specially if you add
> |some
> |Shadowrun twists to the characters, or use different one within the
> |same FBI section...
>
> Agents Mouldy and Sulky?


Or Agents Fax Modem and Dana Scanner :) .

But what I meant with "different characters" was be a setting in
wich the X-Files really existed, and in 2060 it has been reopened to
deal with magic crimes and other unexplained things.

Bira
Message no. 22
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:26:44 -0400
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At 06:05 PM 9/1/98 -0300, Bria wrote:
> Or Agents Fax Modem and Dana Scanner :) .

AHEM.
If you're refering to the X-Files paraody that was featured on one of
the second season eppisodes of the cartoon ReBoot, then I believe you
mean Fax Modem and Data Null-y.

I'm still miffed that ABC never did pick up the third season of ReBoot
for broadcast in the US.

BTW the computer animation studio responsible for both ReBoot, and
Transformers: Beast Wars is the very same studio that did the computer
animation for Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" video. (amazing what 15
years software advancement will do for you.)

ObShadowRN:
So, for you GMs who actually do have deckers as PCs, have any of you
ripped off at least some of the visuals from ReBoot? Or at least some
of the cheesy computer pun dialogue?

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Message no. 23
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:12:20 -0300
Paul Gettle wrote:
>
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>
> At 06:05 PM 9/1/98 -0300, Bria wrote:
> > Or Agents Fax Modem and Dana Scanner :) .
>
> AHEM.
> If you're refering to the X-Files paraody that was featured on one of
> the second season eppisodes of the cartoon ReBoot, then I believe you
> mean Fax Modem and Data Null-y.

I am refering to a "report" MTV Brasil did a coupla years back, about
X-Files. The two people who made this were a woman and a troll :), and
they made this parody with their names. I found it funny and kept it in
my mind.

> I'm still miffed that ABC never did pick up the third season of ReBoot
> for broadcast in the US.
>
> BTW the computer animation studio responsible for both ReBoot, and
> Transformers: Beast Wars is the very same studio that did the computer
> animation for Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" video. (amazing what 15
> years software advancement will do for you.)


Guess the nationality of the studio to produce the first
computer-animated
work... :) .

Bira
Message no. 24
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:47:09 +0100
And verily, did Paul Gettle hastily scribble thusly...
|I'm still miffed that ABC never did pick up the third season of ReBoot
|for broadcast in the US.

Good news for you then.
Reboot will be back in america soon. (They just signed a deal with the
Cartoon Network)

Check out the newsgroup alt.tv.reboot for the full details.
(And you are in for a REALLY nice suprise on new look.... Also, prepare to
ROTFL at the opening sequence for 3.1.3 [Firewall]).

I'm even more pissed off at ITV. They showed 9 episodes, and then cancelled
it in the middle of a story arc, b'stards!)

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Message no. 25
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:51:13 +0100
And verily, did Ubiratan P. Alberton hastily scribble thusly...
| Guess the nationality of the studio to produce the first computer
|animated work... :) .

Computer animated, or just using computers as an easel with human
artists doing all the work?

If you're thinking of TRON, that was hand animated using computers, rather
than computer animated.

But then, he said Work, rather than film, so Work could be anything from a
10 second blip to a 2 hour feature....

Clues? You were a little vague.
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Message no. 26
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:42:52 +0100
And verily, did Ubiratan P. Alberton hastily scribble thusly...
| Or Agents Fax Modem and Dana Scanner :) .

Or if you saw Reboot, Fax Modem and Data Nully....
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Message no. 27
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:40:49 +0100
And verily, did Geoff Skellams hastily scribble thusly...
| Cool! There are other people who remember this! I loved this
|when it was on in the early 80s. The pilot especially was brilliant. It
|might also have some good ideas for a pirate/smuggling campaign (If I
|remember correctly, there was a bit of that sort of thing going on).

The Pilot involved tales of a Golden Monkey (surprise) what wasn't made of
gold, but was said to be made of a VERY heat resistant metal.
Oh course, the Nazis wanted it so they could using in their rocket
programme. At the end, there was a showdown in a cave on a volcano between
the hero and nazi baddies, and all they found in the cave was a small golden
monkey... (Made of brass, not this new super metal).

Volcano erupts. They all flee from the cave, and then the camera slowly
tracks out of the cave revealing the mouth of the cave, and then the cliff
face.... Lava has now burned away all the vegitation, and the cliff face is
shown to be a large golden monkeys face (with the cave mouth being the
monkeys mouth of course)....

OK, so, I've got a good memory. (But that's the only thing about the
programme I can really remember).
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Message no. 28
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:00:49 -0400
Spike wrote:
> Good news for you then.
> Reboot will be back in america soon. (They just signed a deal with the
> Cartoon Network)
>
> Check out the newsgroup alt.tv.reboot for the full details.
> (And you are in for a REALLY nice suprise on new look.... Also, prepare to
> ROTFL at the opening sequence for 3.1.3 [Firewall]).
>
I keep kicking myself everytime I fail to record it - it's *gorgeous*.

> I'm even more pissed off at ITV. They showed 9 episodes, and then
> cancelled
> it in the middle of a story arc, b'stards!)
>
Ah! Then you missed the equally amusing final episode where they (well,
a bunch of binomes) present a synopsis of the season to the tune of
"A Modern Major-General". Hilarious! :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 29
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: TV inspirations.....
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:46:53 -0300
Spike wrote:
>
> And verily, did Ubiratan P. Alberton hastily scribble thusly...
> | Guess the nationality of the studio to produce the first computer
> |animated work... :) .
>
> Computer animated, or just using computers as an easel with human
> artists doing all the work?
>
> If you're thinking of TRON, that was hand animated using computers, rather
> than computer animated.
>
> But then, he said Work, rather than film, so Work could be anything from a
> 10 second blip to a 2 hour feature....
>
> Clues? You were a little vague.

COmpletely animated, Toy Story-Style, and a long move (about 2 hrs.).
The name was Cassiopeia, made by a Brasilian team, but they kept it
in storage for some 3 years because they didn't think it would make a
success.

Bira

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