Back to the main page

Mailing List Logs for ShadowRN

Message no. 1
From: Rob Davies <Rob.Davies@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Two quick questions...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:42:16 +0100
Can anyone explain the phrase, 'Once a player has
allocated Magic Rating Points to "buy" a power, that
power cannot be changed, but it can be upgraded by
spending more Magic Points at a later time.' (Page 126,
SRII.)

I understand the killing hands S->D example but where
do the 'more Magic points' come from?

How can a physical adept improve & gain new Phys. Ad.
abilities? Increasing their magic score is not allowed,
Do they just use karma as magic points?

On a different topic, which SR book contain info on
grading clinics (detla, etc)?

Sorry if this is rehashing old ground - I'm new(ish)
here. Thanks

Rob.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Rob Davies. Rob.Davies@**.cf.ac.uk
Department of Computer Science, http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/
University of Wales, Cardiff, Phone +44 1222 874812
PO Box 916, Cardiff, CF2 3XF. Fax +44 1222 874598
Message no. 2
From: Greg Wright <greg.wright@*******.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Two quick questions...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:44:28 +0100
>Can anyone explain the phrase, 'Once a player has
>allocated Magic Rating Points to "buy" a power, that
>power cannot be changed, but it can be upgraded by
>spending more Magic Points at a later time.' (Page 126,
>SRII.)
>
>I understand the killing hands S->D example but where
>do the 'more Magic points' come from?
>
>How can a physical adept improve & gain new Phys. Ad.
>abilities? Increasing their magic score is not allowed,
>Do they just use karma as magic points?
>
>[Greg Wright] The Adept Gets Extra Points For Initiation
>
>On a different topic, which SR book contain info on
>grading clinics (detla, etc)?
>[Greg Wright] I Beleive Alpha And Beta Grades Are in the street Samurai
>Catalouge, Delta is Found in CyberTechnology as are updates to Alpha And Beta
>Sorry if this is rehashing old ground - I'm new(ish)
>here. Thanks
>
>[Greg Wright] No Probs
>
Grim Reaper
"It Sure Is Shocking, When Death Comes Knocking."
Grim_reaper@********.com
>
Message no. 3
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Two quick questions...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:50:37 +0100
|
|Can anyone explain the phrase, 'Once a player has
|allocated Magic Rating Points to "buy" a power, that
|power cannot be changed, but it can be upgraded by
|spending more Magic Points at a later time.' (Page 126,
|SRII.)


|I understand the killing hands S->D example but where
|do the 'more Magic points' come from?

Two possibilities.

1> He didn't spend all his Magic at once.....
2> He initiated. See below....

|How can a physical adept improve & gain new Phys. Ad.
|abilities? Increasing their magic score is not allowed,
|Do they just use karma as magic points?

Don't tell me... Let me guess....
You don't have the Grimoire, right?

In the Grimoire (manual of magic),it brings in the concept of initiation.
When a mage initiates, every grade above grade 0 increases his Magic rating
by 1. If he happens to be a PA, he can "spend" it on some more
powers/abilities.....

|On a different topic, which SR book contain info on
|grading clinics (detla, etc)?
|
|Sorry if this is rehashing old ground - I'm new(ish)
|here. Thanks
|
|Rob.
|-----------------------------------------------------------
|Rob Davies. Rob.Davies@**.cf.ac.uk
|Department of Computer Science, http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/
|University of Wales, Cardiff, Phone +44 1222 874812
|PO Box 916, Cardiff, CF2 3XF. Fax +44 1222 874598
|


--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Message no. 4
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Two quick questions...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:30:53 GMT
Rob Davies writes

> Can anyone explain the phrase, 'Once a player has
> allocated Magic Rating Points to "buy" a power, that
> power cannot be changed, but it can be upgraded by
> spending more Magic Points at a later time.' (Page 126,
> SRII.)
>
Ah ha!
This has two interpretations both of which are correct.
1) you don't have to allocate all your points at startup and may save
some to allocate later which may then be spent to upgrade powers etc.
2) If you manage to 'acquire' more magic points you may use these to
upgrade your existing powers

> I understand the killing hands S->D example but where
> do the 'more Magic points' come from?
Any left over from startup (SR2 doesn't state it but as i noted above
you don't actually have to spend all of them at character generation,
or any you gain during the game.

> How can a physical adept improve & gain new Phys. Ad.
> abilities? Increasing their magic score is not allowed,
'Not directly' is the correct answer, the main rulebook ignores the
existence of further rules to be found in the Grimoire, which refers
to this rule you are having problems with and explains it. As Spike
suggested you need initiation. There are a lot of problems with the
SR magic system because basic concepts such as this are delt with in
the main rulebook and then relied upon for the use of stuff
introduced in the grimoire, but appart from a few 'this will be
expanded on in the grimoire' 's in SR2 the SR ignores the options in
the grimoire despite the fact that the writers new all to well from
1st ed that the rules were going to be in GR2.

> Do they just use karma as magic points?
No.
>
> On a different topic, which SR book contain info on
> grading clinics (detla, etc)?
Streets Sams catalogue (Alpha and beta) or cybertechnology (which
introduces delta were properly (there being references to the stuff in
Tir Na nOG but little data as that is intended for NPC's only)

> Sorry if this is rehashing old ground - I'm new(ish)
> here. Thanks
>
Thats ok you just found 'one of those rules'. SR is full of them
despite FASA's attempts to minimise the problem. It's waht keeps this
list going so well. The only really workable solution would to be to
go over compatability with other rules in painfull detail each time a
new concept is introduced which would probably waste more paper than
it would solve problems :(

Mark
Message no. 5
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Two quick questions...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:27:00 -0400
At 11:42 AM 7/24/97 +0100, Rob Davies wrote these timeless words:
>Can anyone explain the phrase, 'Once a player has
>allocated Magic Rating Points to "buy" a power, that
>power cannot be changed, but it can be upgraded by
>spending more Magic Points at a later time.' (Page 126,
>SRII.)
>
>I understand the killing hands S->D example but where
>do the 'more Magic points' come from?
>
>How can a physical adept improve & gain new Phys. Ad.
>abilities? Increasing their magic score is not allowed,
>Do they just use karma as magic points?
>
Actually, you CAN improve your Magic Rating if you're a Phys-Ad or a
Magician (or some combo thereof...:)). This is done through Initiation
which, among other things, grants you additional points of magic ratiing...

See the Grimoire for more rules on initioan and Meta Magic.

>On a different topic, which SR book contain info on
>grading clinics (detla, etc)?
>
Alpha and Beta were mentioned in the SSC (Street Samurai Catalog), and They
were rehashed and Delta Grade added in Cybertechnology.

>Sorry if this is rehashing old ground - I'm new(ish)
>here. Thanks
>
Well then, seems the BOT gets to do Some work again! :]

Well...

+++++ BULL-BOT ACTIVATED
+++++ AUTO GREET INITIATED

Hello there, new list-member Rob! Welcome to the Shadowrn Mailing List!

It's a great place, with good people and great discussion! hope ya like mail!

+++++ AUTO OFF TOPIC RANDOM GENERATOR v3.0 INITIATED
+++++ TOPIC #410

Do you know the Secret SR Handshake, and own the SR Secret Decoder Ring?

+++++ END AUTO GREET

Bull-the-welcome-Ork-Decker
--
Bull, aka Steven Ratkovich, aka Rak, aka a lot of others! :]

The Offical Celebrity Shadowrn Mailing List Welcome Ork Decker!
Fearless Leader of the Star Wars Mailing List
List Flunky of ShadowCreations, creators of the Newbies Guide,
in production now!
HOME PAGE: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3604/home.html

"Gen Con, here I come!"
-- Me
Message no. 6
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Two quick questions...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:51:51 EDT
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:42:16 +0100 Rob Davies <Rob.Davies@**.CF.AC.UK>
writes:
>Can anyone explain the phrase, 'Once a player has
>allocated Magic Rating Points to "buy" a power, that
>power cannot be changed, but it can be upgraded by
>spending more Magic Points at a later time.' (Page 126,
>SRII.)


When the physad initiates (you're gonna need to get the Grimoire for this
one, pal:), he can use the new magic points to get new physad powers.


>Do they just use karma as magic points?


No, they do not.


>On a different topic, which SR book contain info on
>grading clinics (detla, etc)?


Probably the SSC and Cybertechnology.


>Sorry if this is rehashing old ground - I'm new(ish)
>here. Thanks


Hmmm...sounds like an opening for Bull, the list Welcome Wendigo:)


--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
Message no. 7
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Two quick questions...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:11:26 -0700
---Rob Davies wrote:
>
> Can anyone explain the phrase, 'Once a player has
> allocated Magic Rating Points to "buy" a power, that
> power cannot be changed, but it can be upgraded by
> spending more Magic Points at a later time.' (Page 126,
> SRII.)
>
> I understand the killing hands S->D example but where
> do the 'more Magic points' come from?
>
> How can a physical adept improve & gain new Phys. Ad.
> abilities? Increasing their magic score is not allowed,
> Do they just use karma as magic points?

Physads gain additional points to the Magic attribute through
initiation the same as the other magically talented. These new magic
points can then be allocated towards purchasing/upgrading abilities.

> On a different topic, which SR book contain info on
> grading clinics (detla, etc)?

Your most complete description of alpha/beta/delta clinics will be in
Cybertechnology. Though alpha/beta first appeared in Street Sam
Catalog.

===
@>--,--'--- Loki <gamemstr@********.com>

Poisoned Elves: www.primenet.com/~gamemstr/

"You're being held up by a stim patch, Loki's almost a pile of ashes
thanks to that fire elemental, and we've got the Baron running around
screaming assassins...assassins...oh eek, assassins!"
--> Caric to Ook during the Harlequin Campaign

_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com
Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Two quick questions...
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:36:34 +0100
Rob Davies said on 11:42/24 Jul 97...

> Can anyone explain the phrase, 'Once a player has
> allocated Magic Rating Points to "buy" a power, that
> power cannot be changed, but it can be upgraded by
> spending more Magic Points at a later time.' (Page 126,
> SRII.)
>
> I understand the killing hands S->D example but where
> do the 'more Magic points' come from?

From your next bit, I gather you understand what it means, but don't know
how to actually get those extra MP to buy the upgrade with. There are two
ways, the first of which is to not spend all your MPs during character
generation; for example, if you buy Killing Hands S and four points Pain
Resistance, you have 2 points left. Now start play, and during play you
can upgrade Killing Hands to D.

However, this isn't all that handy, so we get to:

> How can a physical adept improve & gain new Phys. Ad.
> abilities? Increasing their magic score is not allowed,
> Do they just use karma as magic points?

Increasing the Magic Rating _is_ allowed, but not in the same way as you
increase Attributes like Body, Charisma, etc. You'll need a copy of The
Grimoire, which explains initiation, which proceeds in grades. Each grade
costs Karma (and a lot of it at that), but adds to your Magic rating in
the following way: Magic = Essence (round down) + initiation grade.

So a physad with Essence 6 and initiation grade 4 has a Magic Rating of
10, and can therefore have 10 points worth of powers.

> On a different topic, which SR book contain info on
> grading clinics (detla, etc)?

The Street Samurai Catalog has alpha and beta clinics, while
Cybertechnology repeats that info but adds delta-grade.

> Sorry if this is rehashing old ground - I'm new(ish)
> here. Thanks

Welcome to the list :)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
And you can try and you just might...
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version 3.1:
GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+ PE
Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Two quick questions...
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:36:34 +0100
Spike said on 11:50/24 Jul 97...

> |Rob.
> |-----------------------------------------------------------
> |Rob Davies. Rob.Davies@**.cf.ac.uk
> |Department of Computer Science, http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/
> |University of Wales, Cardiff, Phone +44 1222 874812
> |PO Box 916, Cardiff, CF2 3XF. Fax +44 1222 874598

A slight slip-up, Spike? :)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
And you can try and you just might...
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version 3.1:
GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+ PE
Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Message no. 10
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Two quick questions...
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:33:12 +0100
|
|Spike said on 11:50/24 Jul 97...
|
|> |Rob.
|> |-----------------------------------------------------------
|> |Rob Davies. Rob.Davies@**.cf.ac.uk
|> |Department of Computer Science, http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/
|> |University of Wales, Cardiff, Phone +44 1222 874812
|> |PO Box 916, Cardiff, CF2 3XF. Fax +44 1222 874598
|
|A slight slip-up, Spike? :)

first time for everything....
:)


:-p
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Further Reading

If you enjoyed reading about Two quick questions..., you may also be interested in:

Disclaimer

These messages were posted a long time ago on a mailing list far, far away. The copyright to their contents probably lies with the original authors of the individual messages, but since they were published in an electronic forum that anyone could subscribe to, and the logs were available to subscribers and most likely non-subscribers as well, it's felt that re-publishing them here is a kind of public service.

Thwap!