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Message no. 1
From: William Monroe Ashe <wma6617@*******.tamu.edu>
Subject: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:26:47 -0500 (CDT)
Here's something to ponder Pinky;

Have you ever noticed that many characters walk around in a nice armored
longcoat in summer. Now maybe you can get away with that in nice cool
Seattle, but try that down in Tx you'd be dead in an hour from heatstroke.
Or maybe in the 21'st century they have armor that breathes better.

My current character does it because he has a nuisance sun allergy, but he
only wears it, a t-shirt, and shorts.

Oh well, just something to liven up the list.

Regards
Bill
Message no. 2
From: Jeff Perrin <jperrin@*********.net>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:06:41 -0400
William Monroe Ashe wrote:
>
> Here's something to ponder Pinky;
>
> Have you ever noticed that many characters walk around in a nice armored
> longcoat in summer. Now maybe you can get away with that in nice cool
> Seattle, but try that down in Tx you'd be dead in an hour from heatstroke.
> Or maybe in the 21'st century they have armor that breathes better.
>
> My current character does it because he has a nuisance sun allergy, but he
> only wears it, a t-shirt, and shorts.

Actually I own a Australian Duster (Type of long coat) and it is actually VERY
comfortable in the summer...it catches the breeze and directs it into the coat
which ventilates the heat around my body which is good because I seem to absorb
solar heat with (unfortunately) great effeciency.

--
Luc aka BobW

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
--Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
Message no. 3
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:26:06 -0600 (MDT)
William Monroe Ashe wrote:
|
|Here's something to ponder Pinky;
|
|Have you ever noticed that many characters walk around in a nice armored
|longcoat in summer. Now maybe you can get away with that in nice cool
|Seattle, but try that down in Tx you'd be dead in an hour from heatstroke.
|Or maybe in the 21'st century they have armor that breathes better.

For some reason I'm reminded of "The Road Warrior". Certain textiles are
very good at acting as an insulator for both heat and cold. An example
would be natives of North Africa or Arabia. They wear a pile of cloths
during the day to stay cool and retain moisture, and the same pile of
cloths at night to stay warm.

Anyway, I'm just saying that it could be done (maybe make the character
role his survival skill to do it). Of course, the guy would stand out.

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 4
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:50:16 -0500 (CDT)
On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Jeff Perrin wrote:

> William Monroe Ashe wrote:
> >
> > Here's something to ponder Pinky;
> >
> > Have you ever noticed that many characters walk around in a nice armored
> > longcoat in summer. Now maybe you can get away with that in nice cool
> > Seattle, but try that down in Tx you'd be dead in an hour from heatstroke.
> > Or maybe in the 21'st century they have armor that breathes better.
> >
> > My current character does it because he has a nuisance sun allergy, but he
> > only wears it, a t-shirt, and shorts.
>
> Actually I own a Australian Duster (Type of long coat) and it is actually VERY
> comfortable in the summer...it catches the breeze and directs it into the coat
> which ventilates the heat around my body which is good because I seem to absorb
> solar heat with (unfortunately) great effeciency.

Hey where can I get one of those?

Stephen
Austin, TX


>
> --
> Luc aka BobW
>
> EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
> BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
> --Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
>
Message no. 5
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:48:02 -0500 (CDT)
On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, William Monroe Ashe wrote:

> Here's something to ponder Pinky;
>
> Have you ever noticed that many characters walk around in a nice armored
> longcoat in summer. Now maybe you can get away with that in nice cool
> Seattle, but try that down in Tx you'd be dead in an hour from heatstroke.
> Or maybe in the 21'st century they have armor that breathes better.
>
> My current character does it because he has a nuisance sun allergy, but he
> only wears it, a t-shirt, and shorts.
>
> Oh well, just something to liven up the list.
>
> Regards
> Bill
>

Actually I'd say it depends on when and where in Texas they are and how
much water they drink. I could see wearing one during the night time
though it's still going to be hot (we had a low of 80 today and a high of
102). Quicken a bullet barrier spell the Karma cost is probably worth it
(or else don't get out of your air conditioned LAV).

Stephen Delear
Austin TX
Warning: What I think of as cold or warm may be radically different from
some people in colder climates.
Message no. 6
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:07:54 +0200
On 18.06.96, Stephen Delear wrote about "Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke
anyone?":
> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Jeff Perrin wrote:
> > Actually I own a Australian Duster (Type of long coat) and it is actually VERY
> > comfortable in the summer...it catches the breeze and directs it into the coat
> > which ventilates the heat around my body which is good because I seem to absorb
> > solar heat with (unfortunately) great effeciency.
>
> Hey where can I get one of those?
If Jeff is refering to these Driza-Bone coats, they should be easily available,
since I got one of these even here in Germany...

Sascha

--
+---___---------+----------------------------------------+--------------------+
| / / _______ | Jhary-a-Conel aka Sascha Pabst |The one who does not|
| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.de| learn from history |
| \___ __/ | | is bound to live |
|==== \_/ ======| *Wearing hats is just a way of life* | through it again. |
|LOGOUT FASCISM!| - Me | |
+------------- http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~jhary -----------------+
Message no. 7
From: Jeff Perrin <jperrin@*********.net>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 06:57:06 -0400
Stephen Delear wrote:
> Hey where can I get one of those?

I got mine a US Calvary story for 1-2 hundred dollars (cant recall since
my parents got it for me for xmas).

--
Luc aka BobW

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
--Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
Message no. 8
From: Jeff Perrin <jperrin@*********.net>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:03:52 -0400
Stephen Delear wrote:
> Actually I'd say it depends on when and where in Texas they are and how
> much water they drink. I could see wearing one during the night time
> though it's still going to be hot (we had a low of 80 today and a high of
> 102). Quicken a bullet barrier spell the Karma cost is probably worth it

quickened bullet barrier? dont plan on using guns ever again? or atleast loading
them with bullets :)

> Warning: What I think of as cold or warm may be radically different from
> some people in colder climates.

I used to live in Louisville, KY (which is where I wore the duster almost year
round). Louisville summers tend to get very hot and humid. Really the big
problem of wearing them is not the looking out of place but instead the
intimidating factor. I stopped wearing it because my girlfriend at the time and
several friends told me how intimidating they found it b4 they got to know me.
Remember that you can hide an Ithaca Semi-Auto shotgun without stock extended in
on of those coats...and everyone knows this and is duely but back by it. Try
walking up to someone to ask them for directions to the toilet and watch them
slink off as soon as they see you walking in their direction with the confidence
of a runner.

--
Luc aka BobW

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
--Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
Message no. 9
From: Jeff Perrin <jperrin@*********.net>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:11:40 -0400
Sascha Pabst wrote:
> > Hey where can I get one of those?
> If Jeff is refering to these Driza-Bone coats, they should be easily available,
> since I got one of these even here in Germany...

Actually is denim with leather trim and I'm Bob using Jeff's account since my email
account went splat :(.
--
Luc aka BobW

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
--Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
Message no. 10
From: PDL@****.dacom.co.kr
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 22:10:59 PDT
---------------Original Message---------------
Stephen Delear wrote:
> Actually I'd say it depends on when and where in Texas they are and how
> much water they drink. I could see wearing one during the night time
> though it's still going to be hot (we had a low of 80 today and a high of
> 102). Quicken a bullet barrier spell the Karma cost is probably worth it

quickened bullet barrier? dont plan on using guns ever again? or atleast loading
them with bullets :)

Luc aka BobW

----------End of Original Message----------
Yes, I have a character would like to have the done.
PA, marital arts specialist, he has never shot at anyone.
He only carries a gun because other runner keep asking him if
he has one.

Patrick
Message no. 11
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:36:36 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jeff Perrin wrote:

> I used to live in Louisville, KY (which is where I wore the duster
> almost year round). Louisville summers tend to get very hot and
> humid. Really the big problem of wearing them is not the looking out
> of place but instead the intimidating factor.

The other problem to consider is the cops. At least around here,
if you walk in a 7-Eleven at three o'clock in the morning for some
Laffy-Taffy and Mountain Dew and there happens to be a donut-munching
pig in the store, you get watched pretty hard. I've been asked to open
my coat be suspicious police officers on several occasions. It's
aggravating, it pisses me off, and it makes me wanna carry a gun just so
I can say, "Yeah, I could open my coat, but then I'd have to kill ya."
And I'm a nice guy. Imagine if I were a criminal.

Marc
Message no. 12
From: Alex van der Kleut <sommers@*****.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:36:39 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Marc A Renouf wrote:

> The other problem to consider is the cops. At least around here,
> if you walk in a 7-Eleven at three o'clock in the morning for some
> Laffy-Taffy and Mountain Dew and there happens to be a donut-munching
> pig in the store, you get watched pretty hard. I've been asked to open
> my coat be suspicious police officers on several occasions. It's
> aggravating, it pisses me off, and it makes me wanna carry a gun just so
> I can say, "Yeah, I could open my coat, but then I'd have to kill ya."
> And I'm a nice guy. Imagine if I were a criminal.
>
> Marc

Yeah, but this is Ann Arbor, where at least 4 different groups can claim
some kind of jurisdiction. They don't have anything else to do.

Besides, you would look like a suspicious character even without the long
coat:)

> >
Message no. 13
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:00:19 +0200
On 18.06.96, Marc A Renouf wrote about "Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke
anyone?":
> The other problem to consider is the cops. At least around here,
> if you walk in a 7-Eleven at three o'clock in the morning for some
> Laffy-Taffy and Mountain Dew and there happens to be a donut-munching
> pig in the store, you get watched pretty hard. I've been asked to open
> my coat be suspicious police officers on several occasions. It's
> aggravating, it pisses me off, and it makes me wanna carry a gun just so
> I can say, "Yeah, I could open my coat, but then I'd have to kill ya."
> And I'm a nice guy. Imagine if I were a criminal.

I have lived through that, too, with different coats. And as far as I am
concerned, they are doing their job, and if the police officer asks me to
open the coat, and is alone, and doesn't has his hand on his weapon already,
he is just stupid. And yes, sometimes I have a (fake) gun with me (believe
me, the Conc. Values for HPs are wrong :-), and I still have no problems
with 'em cops... Hey! They're doing their (lousy) job, and I'd even complain
if they wouldn't check suspicious people.

Sascha

--
+---___---------+----------------------------------------+--------------------+
| / / _______ | Jhary-a-Conel aka Sascha Pabst |The one who does not|
| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.de| learn from history |
| \___ __/ | | is bound to live |
|==== \_/ ======| *Wearing hats is just a way of life* | through it again. |
|LOGOUT FASCISM!| - Me | |
+------------- http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~jhary -----------------+
Message no. 14
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:00:03 +0200
On 18.06.96, Jeff Perrin wrote about "Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke
anyone?":
> I used to live in Louisville, KY (which is where I wore the duster almost year
> round). Louisville summers tend to get very hot and humid. Really the big
> problem of wearing them is not the looking out of place but instead the
> intimidating factor. I stopped wearing it because my girlfriend at the time and
> several friends told me how intimidating they found it b4 they got to know me.
> Remember that you can hide an Ithaca Semi-Auto shotgun without stock extended in
> on of those coats...and everyone knows this and is duely but back by it. Try
> walking up to someone to ask them for directions to the toilet and watch them
> slink off as soon as they see you walking in their direction with the confidence
> of a runner.
Heard the same... and exploit it... makes life a lot easier as a bouncer to
scare people even before you are within reach :-)

Sascha

--
+---___---------+----------------------------------------+--------------------+
| / / _______ | Jhary-a-Conel aka Sascha Pabst |The one who does not|
| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.de| learn from history |
| \___ __/ | | is bound to live |
|==== \_/ ======| *Wearing hats is just a way of life* | through it again. |
|LOGOUT FASCISM!| - Me | |
+------------- http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~jhary -----------------+
Message no. 15
From: Jeff Perrin <jperrin@*********.net>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:38:02 -0400
Marc A Renouf wrote:
> The other problem to consider is the cops. At least around here,
> if you walk in a 7-Eleven at three o'clock in the morning for some
> Laffy-Taffy and Mountain Dew and there happens to be a donut-munching
> pig in the store, you get watched pretty hard. I've been asked to open
> my coat be suspicious police officers on several occasions. It's
> aggravating, it pisses me off, and it makes me wanna carry a gun just so
> I can say, "Yeah, I could open my coat, but then I'd have to kill ya."
> And I'm a nice guy. Imagine if I were a criminal.
>
> Marc

I dunno...there were plenty of times I was walking through the worst parts of town at
around midnite and the intimidation factor kept people from getting near me much less
pestering me.

--
Luc aka BobW

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
--Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
Message no. 16
From: Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.net>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:40:23 -0500
At 01:48 AM 6/18/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Actually I'd say it depends on when and where in Texas they are and how
>much water they drink. I could see wearing one during the night time
>though it's still going to be hot (we had a low of 80 today and a high of
>102). Quicken a bullet barrier spell the Karma cost is probably worth it
>(or else don't get out of your air conditioned LAV).
>

Unfortunately, nobody in our group is initiated. Plus, 2056 is going to be
an unusually cool year for some reason (evil GM chuckle). I'd mention some
more but one of my gamers is on this list.

[That should worry Bill.]

Oh yeah we're currently in late March/early April, 2056, based out of
Dallas/Fort Worth.

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"We've had reports of a psychotic masked man in a stupid costume beating the
crap out of hoboes in this area! What do you know about it?"
-"The" Batman (about to beat the crap out of a hobo), _Sergio Aragones
Destroys DC_
Message no. 17
From: Jeff Perrin <jperrin@*********.net>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:52:55 -0400
Alex van der Kleut wrote:
> Yeah, but this is Ann Arbor, where at least 4 different groups can claim
> some kind of jurisdiction. They don't have anything else to do.

Funny...overhere in Dearborn I have been here for 3-4 months now and yesterday was
the first time I ever saw a cop in the seven-eleven (usually they are going about
30-40 mph above the speed limit setting the flow of traffic :)).

--
Luc aka BobW

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
--Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
Message no. 18
From: Jeff Perrin <jperrin@*********.net>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:00:57 -0400
Sascha Pabst wrote:
> I have lived through that, too, with different coats. And as far as I am
> concerned, they are doing their job, and if the police officer asks me to
> open the coat, and is alone, and doesn't has his hand on his weapon already,
> he is just stupid. And yes, sometimes I have a (fake) gun with me (believe
> me, the Conc. Values for HPs are wrong :-), and I still have no problems
> with 'em cops... Hey! They're doing their (lousy) job, and I'd even complain
> if they wouldn't check suspicious people.

once some friends and I went on a short walk near campus at U of Louisville (which
happens to be right next to a pretty bad part of town...go figure :)). the cops arranged
a flank because I was in the trench coat, one of my friends was carrying a backpack, and
we were walking on a poorly lit side street. Flank as in cop car infront of us and one
pulls up behind us with 2 cops in each car. I think for once they were actually doing an
excellent job...too bad us being college students were too poor to afford the tools to
steal cars and break into houses :).

--
Luc aka BobW

EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!
BUT THE CORPSE STILL HAS THE FLOOR!!
--Kevin Spacey as Lloyd in The Ref (1994)
Message no. 19
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:10:16 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jeff Perrin wrote:

> I dunno...there were plenty of times I was walking through the worst
> parts of town at around midnite and the intimidation factor kept
> people from getting near me much less pestering me.

Sometimes that works, sometimes it's just asking for trouble. It
depends on just how confident you look. If you have that look that says,
"yeah, I could take you, punk!" you'll get jokers who are willing to try
to prove you wrong. If you have the look that says, "Look, I'd just as
soon rip your intestines from your body with my bare hands as look at
you. Doesn't matter to me which. You pick." You're probably better
off. Cool purposefulness will get you a lot farther than confident
swagger. One of my favorite things to do at a nearby
grunge-industrial nightclub is to walk in, take a seat in the corner, and
scare the drug-dealers and gangers. Honest to God a few of them think
we're terrorists. Thus, they are unwilling to mess, which suits me just
fine.

Marc
Message no. 20
From: Marc Lipshitz <MLIPSHIT@****.CO.ZA>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone? -Reply
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:35:01 +0200
>>> Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.umich.edu> 18/June/1996 05:36pm
>>>
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jeff Perrin wrote:
> I used to live in Louisville, KY (which is where I wore the duster >
almost year round). Louisville summers tend to get very hot and >
humid. Really the big problem of wearing them is not the looking out > of
place but instead the intimidating factor.
The other problem to consider is the cops. At least around here,
if you walk in a 7-Eleven at three o'clock in the morning for some
Laffy-Taffy and Mountain Dew and there happens to be a
donut-munching pig in the store, you get watched pretty hard. I've been
asked to open my coat be suspicious police officers on several
occasions. It's aggravating, it pisses me off, and it makes me wanna
carry a gun just so I can say, "Yeah, I could open my coat, but then I'd
have to kill ya." And I'm a nice guy. Imagine if I were a criminal.
Marc

Amazing how gun laws differ between countries, here in South Africa
the police want you to carry your gun concealed, they consider it
intimidating to wear it unconcealed. Oh well, whatever keeps them happy
and away from confiscating my firearm:)
Marc Lipshitz
Message no. 21
From: Joker <s1057948@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:53:58 +1000 (EST)
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 PDL@****.dacom.co.kr wrote:

>
> ---------------Original Message---------------
> Stephen Delear wrote:
> > 102). Quicken a bullet barrier spell the Karma cost is probably worth it
>
> quickened bullet barrier? dont plan on using guns ever again? or atleast loading
> them with bullets :)
>
> Luc aka BobW
>
> ----------End of Original Message----------
> Patrick
>

Every heard of a personal Bullet Barrier? Much more Drain friendly too.......


Craig.
Message no. 22
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 17:34:33 +0100
Jeff Perrin said on 15:06/17 Jun 96...

(I know this is a bit old, but please forgive me :)

> Actually I own a Australian Duster (Type of long coat) and it is actually VERY
> comfortable in the summer...it catches the breeze and directs it into the coat
> which ventilates the heat around my body which is good because I seem to absorb
> solar heat with (unfortunately) great effeciency.

This might work for a duster designed for it, but wear my M69 body armor
over (or underneath) it and I almost guarantee you that you'll get hot
quickly... The way I see it, most body armor materials are not light and
"breathing"

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Message no. 23
From: "Robert J. Waters" <rjwate01@*****.louisville.edu>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 15:37:49 -0500 (EDT)
>
> Jeff Perrin said on 15:06/17 Jun 96...
>
> (I know this is a bit old, but please forgive me :)
>
> > Actually I own a Australian Duster (Type of long coat) and it is actually VERY
> > comfortable in the summer...it catches the breeze and directs it into the coat
> > which ventilates the heat around my body which is good because I seem to absorb
> > solar heat with (unfortunately) great effeciency.
>
> This might work for a duster designed for it, but wear my M69 body armor
> over (or underneath) it and I almost guarantee you that you'll get hot
> quickly... The way I see it, most body armor materials are not light and
> "breathing"

I don't know much about body armor seeing as thankfully I have never needed to
wear any but since one of the directions they are taking with armor
innovations is the development and use of synthetic spider silk. Some of the
things the show I saw it on (some show on Discovery channel) is that the armor
would be light weight and "breath" opposed to contemporary armor which use
mainly kevlar and armor plates. With spider silk (which they saw will be
simular to standard silk clothing) will make the armor clothing capable of
better heat transference.

Luc AKA BobW
Message no. 24
From: "Sambo" <polan881@******.edu>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 14:24:32 +0000
Try this: before you need to put the armor on, stick it in the
freezer for about an hour. It will stay cool for about 20-30
minutes. It's not much but it lets you get used to the heat a little
easier during the day.

***Sparhawk***
Message no. 25
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:27:29 +0100
Robert J. Waters said on 15:37/23 Jun 96...

> I don't know much about body armor seeing as thankfully I have never needed to
> wear any but since one of the directions they are taking with armor
> innovations is the development and use of synthetic spider silk. Some of the
> things the show I saw it on (some show on Discovery channel) is that the armor
> would be light weight and "breath" opposed to contemporary armor which use
> mainly kevlar and armor plates.

And nylon, in older armors. Only since about the early 1980s have Kevlar
and other aramid fibres been in use. A good, simple reference is Osprey's
Men-At-Arms series #157, "Flak Jackets" that covers personal armor from
about 1914 through 1984 (when it was first published).

BTW, is that Discovery channel you're talking about (in the US) the same
as the one I get here (in Europe)?

> With spider silk (which they saw will be simular to standard silk
> clothing) will make the armor clothing capable of better heat
> transference.

I've seen and read some things about this. It seems promising, but VERY
expensive right now. If they get this synthetic stuff to work well, it
could get cheaper, yes.

BTW, did you know arch-duke Frans-Ferdinand (the one who started World
War 1 by getting shot in Sarajevo in 1914) usually wore a silk body armor,
but didn't on that one day, because of the heat?

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Message no. 26
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:14:34 +0200
On 23.06.96, Robert J. Waters wrote about "Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke
anyone?":
[Armor and getting h... err...]
> [spider silk armor] With spider silk (which they saw will be
> simular to standard silk clothing) will make the armor clothing capable of
> better heat transference.
Hah! I know what _that_ means: The heat will be channeld heat to the
INSIDE better!

Sascha

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Message no. 27
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.net.au>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 17:54:36 +1100
>> [spider silk armor] With spider silk (which they saw will be
>> simular to standard silk clothing) will make the armor clothing capable of
>> better heat transference.
>Hah! I know what _that_ means: The heat will be channeld heat to the
>INSIDE better!

But unless it's about 40C outside, it's hotter next to your skin than it
is out there... so better heat transference would mean it's cooler to
wear. :) (Well, that might depend on how fashionable it is, I guess...)


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Message no. 28
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:07:45 -0500 (CDT)
On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Robert Watkins wrote:

> >> [spider silk armor] With spider silk (which they saw will be
> >> simular to standard silk clothing) will make the armor clothing capable of
> >> better heat transference.
> >Hah! I know what _that_ means: The heat will be channeld heat to the
> >INSIDE better!
>
> But unless it's about 40C outside, it's hotter next to your skin than it
> is out there... so better heat transference would mean it's cooler to
> wear. :) (Well, that might depend on how fashionable it is, I guess...)

I take it 40C translates into 98.6F, I hate to brake it to ya'll but
today in Austin TX it was 100F (108 with heat index).

Stephen Delear

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Message no. 29
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:10:07 +0100
Stephen Delear said on 0:07/ 6 Jul 96...

> I take it 40C translates into 98.6F,

40C = 104F; 37C is body temperature. (For the record, conversion is as
follows: 1.8 x C + 32 = F)

> I hate to brake it to ya'll but today in Austin TX it was 100F (108
> with heat index).

Glad it's only about 17 degrees (yes, Celcius) and raining where I am!

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Message no. 30
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.net.au>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 22:20:46 +1100
>I take it 40C translates into 98.6F, I hate to brake it to ya'll but
>today in Austin TX it was 100F (108 with heat index).

40C is a bit higher than body temp. In Seattle today, it was a lot colder
than that. :) Anyone who piles on lots of armour in hot weather deserves
to die from heat stroke.


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Message no. 31
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: TX is hot, Armor is hotter, heatstroke anyone?
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:17:48 -0500 (CDT)
On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, Gurth wrote:

> Stephen Delear said on 0:07/ 6 Jul 96...
>
> > I take it 40C translates into 98.6F,
>
> 40C = 104F; 37C is body temperature. (For the record, conversion is as
> follows: 1.8 x C + 32 = F)
>
> > I hate to brake it to ya'll but today in Austin TX it was 100F (108
> > with heat index).
>
> Glad it's only about 17 degrees (yes, Celcius) and raining where I am!

And I suppose you also don't have 800+ messages in your box :) I just
got back from Dallas, 107 (befor heat index) and a car with no air
conditioning.

Stephen
Austin, TX

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