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Message no. 1
From: Wagner, Jordan findlerman@****.carrollsweb.com
Subject: UCAS - How would it happen?
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:47:14 CDT
> > ...I don't understand how the Brittish Gov't.
> > has any say in the matter.
>
> Its a bit complicated, and I'm not sure if the
> situation's changed since 1982 or not. I'm know that the
> British Queen (or King) is still the official head of
> state of Canada. They don't have a say in the day-to-day
> running of the country, but I'm fairly sure that they do
> for a change in the Bill of Rights or any of the other
> bills that define Canada as a country. This would include
> joining the United States or adding new territory.
>
> --Nick Pilon
> --Life is code; Everything else is just preprocessing.

Okay...I was speaking to a (canadian) friend of mine, after one of the listmembers here
posted an article 'Prelude to UCAS?'

Would one of the canadian list members (or more informed non-canadian list members,)
enlighten this uneducated american?

I was under the impression that Canada was on it's own - an autonomous, independant,
self-governing entity - complete with parlament and prime minister. It was my
understanding that canada has full independence from the brits (in so far as any
government has it's own independence.)

Am I wrong? If so, and the brittish monarch is the official head of the canadian state,
what role did they play in the creation of UCAS in the shadowrun timeline? How does the
brittish government tie into UCAS's gov't?

Forgive me if the answer is blatantly in the 'And so it came to pass' section of the book
- mine are boxed up and elsewhere.

--Fin
Message no. 2
From: Augustus shadowrun@********.net
Subject: UCAS - How would it happen?
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:08:47 -0700
----- Original Message -----
From: Wagner, Jordan <findlerman@****.carrollsweb.com>

> Would one of the canadian list members (or more informed non-canadian list
members,) enlighten this uneducated american?
>
> I was under the impression that Canada was on it's own - an autonomous,
independant, self->governing entity - complete with parlament and prime
minister. It was my understanding that >canada has full independence from
the brits (in so far as any government has it's own >independence.)


Back in 1982, Canada repatriated its constitution and got its own charter of
rights and freedoms... since then we have effectivly been entirely on our
own... we are independant, self-governing and we have and make our own laws.

But, we are still part of the commonwealth... That doesn't really mean
anything anymore... back in World War 1 weren't allowed to declare war, and
when the british declared war on germany that meant that canada did so
automatically as well. But that changed come WW2.

What it means today is... we are our own country and we do our own thing...
we do have the monarchy, but its not as prevalent as it is in England... and
every few years (about every 5-10) there comes debates about weather or not
we should absolve it and go our own way.

How this all ties into the UCAS idea: It doesn't really... its one of those
things that if there was a consensus in the house of commons to ditch the
monarchy they could probably get it over and done with in about a week...
then spend another week to ratify amendments to the constitution... and the
UCAS could form about that quickly.

Today it would be a different story... the largest opponents to forming the
UCAS would probably be Quebec and the western provinces (BC, Alberta,
Saskatchewan and Manitoba). In the Shadowrun timeline, ofcourse... Quebec
seperated from Canada, and the western provinces all went to the NAN...

Augustus
Message no. 3
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: UCAS - How would it happen?
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:36:43 +0200
According to Wagner, Jordan, at 20:47 on 6 Oct 00, the word on the street
was...

> I was under the impression that Canada was on it's own - an autonomous,
> independant, self-governing entity - complete with parlament and prime
> minister. It was my understanding that canada has full independence
> from the brits (in so far as any government has it's own independence.)

I'm not a Canadian, but it seems pretty straightforward to me: you can be
king/queen of more than one country. Elizabeth II is queen of the United
Kingdom (or whatever the right term is in this case) but also of Canada,
and of Australia, and probably of a bunch of other independent countries
as well -- none of which necessarily has anything to do with the UK
anymore even despite sharing a head of state.

It would be like Bill Clinton getting citizenship in another country, in
addition to his US citizenship, and running for president there. He'd be
president of both the US and of that other country at the same time.
(Provided neither has laws prohibiting this sort of thing, of course.)

> Am I wrong? If so, and the brittish monarch is the official head of the
> canadian state, what role did they play in the creation of UCAS in the
> shadowrun timeline? How does the brittish government tie into UCAS's
> gov't?

Only the reigning king or queen at the time would be involved, I would
guess, and even then probably only to sign the Canadian laws that deal
with unification with the USA.

--
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Message no. 4
From: Sinabian@***.com Sinabian@***.com
Subject: UCAS - How would it happen?
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:15:55 EDT
In a message dated 10/6/2000 7:43:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
findlerman@***********.com writes:

> I was under the impression that Canada was on it's own - an autonomous,
> independant, self-governing entity


"Well we are ALL Britons...and I am your king!"

"I didn't think we HAD any king. I thought we were part of an autonomous
collective!"

"Oh, there you go fooling yourself again!"

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