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Message no. 1
From: Arclight arclight@*********.de
Subject: Underwater weapons from Cyberpirates
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:21:34 +0200
Hi!

I recently got my copy of Cyberpirates,
and when I read it the third time, I saw
the Availability rating for the two
underwater firearms, the M24 and AAL.

I think that 4 or 6, respectively, is
too low for these specialised guns, and
as the description for the M24 says it
is a SEAL team commissioned gun, I would
raise it to 16 or the like...

What do you think about this?
Original stats just right? Why?

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"It may not be war, but it sure as hell ain't peace"
Major General Steven Arnold - On Somalia
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Message no. 2
From: Paul J. Adam Paul@********.demon.co.uk
Subject: Underwater weapons from Cyberpirates
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:36:47 +0100
In article <000201becd54$2844d860$0200a8c0@*****>, Arclight
<arclight@*********.de> writes
> Hi!
>
>I recently got my copy of Cyberpirates,
>and when I read it the third time, I saw
>the Availability rating for the two
>underwater firearms, the M24 and AAL.
>
>I think that 4 or 6, respectively, is
>too low for these specialised guns, and
>as the description for the M24 says it
>is a SEAL team commissioned gun, I would
>raise it to 16 or the like...
>
>What do you think about this?
>Original stats just right? Why?

Who the hell _wants_ them? I mean, you've got a crate of specialist
underwater killing weapons... what the hell can you sell them for? They're
no bloody use to most urban shadowrunners. Limited supply, but also very
limited demand. So, it's not too hard to come by them: provided you don't
mind word going out through the fixer network that someone was asking.

Sometimes, those weapons will be rare as gold dust. (Especially if the PCs
are unwise enough to indicate any urgency about their requirement).

Other times... some fixers would sell them on cheap just to clear room
for more salable stock.


And someone asking for them would tend to stick in the memory. That is
the _real_ downside of such weapons.

--
Paul J. Adam
Message no. 3
From: Arclight arclight@**************.com
Subject: Underwater weapons from Cyberpirates
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:31:48 +0200
And finally, Paul J. Adam expressed himself by writing:

> Who the hell _wants_ them?

Everybody in my gaming group once we start a pirate campaign?
Who wouldn't get one together with his SCUBA gear? 2.5k Y, and wait
about 12h longer for your package...

<snip>

> limited demand. So, it's not too hard to come by them: provided you don't
> mind word going out through the fixer network that someone was asking.

<snip>

> And someone asking for them would tend to stick in the memory. That is
> the _real_ downside of such weapons.

Agreed. They would be noticed for sure, but my problem is that these
highly specialized weapons seem to be factured by the thousands,
they are as likely to get as a SMG.
For Real-Life check: ever tried to get a HK P11? The fancy underwater
pistol in use by many underwater operation units?

--
[arclight@*********.de]<><><><><><>[ICQ14322211]
All suspects are guilty, serious. Otherwise they
wouldn't be suspects, would they?
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Message no. 4
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Underwater weapons from Cyberpirates
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:25:41 EDT
In a message dated 7/14/99 7:41:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
arclight@**************.com writes:

> Agreed. They would be noticed for sure, but my problem is that these
> highly specialized weapons seem to be factured by the thousands,
> they are as likely to get as a SMG.
> For Real-Life check: ever tried to get a HK P11? The fancy underwater
> pistol in use by many underwater operation units?


I thought the underwater-firing rifles in Cyberpirates had such low Avail
ratings because FASA wanted us to play pirate. :-)





-Twist
"Arrrrrrrrrr..."
Message no. 5
From: Arclight arclight@**************.com
Subject: Underwater weapons from Cyberpirates
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:52:30 +0200
And finally, Twist expressed himself by writing:

> I thought the underwater-firing rifles in Cyberpirates had such
> low Avail
> ratings because FASA wanted us to play pirate. :-)

Nah... drinking rum on a small caribb island, with some beautiful
girls, and boarding some galleo... äh... freighters from time to time
should be enough.
The guns are there to attract _munchkins_ :)

--
[arclight@*********.de]<><><><><><>[ICQ14322211]
All suspects are guilty, serious. Otherwise they
wouldn't be suspects, would they?
<><><><[http://www.datahaven.de/arclight]><><><>;
Message no. 6
From: Hamish Laws h_laws@**********.utas.edu.au
Subject: Underwater weapons from Cyberpirates
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:14:16 +1000
At 01:31 PM 7/14/99 +0200, Arclight wrote:
>And finally, Paul J. Adam expressed himself by writing:
>
>> Who the hell _wants_ them?
>
>Everybody in my gaming group once we start a pirate campaign?
>Who wouldn't get one together with his SCUBA gear? 2.5k Y, and wait
>about 12h longer for your package...
>
Yeah. But how many pirates are there in the world?

What I'd have is the availability be around that where they might be
purchased reasonably often but never in stock in most places.

><snip>
>
>> limited demand. So, it's not too hard to come by them: provided you don't
>> mind word going out through the fixer network that someone was asking.
>
><snip>
>
>> And someone asking for them would tend to stick in the memory. That is
>> the _real_ downside of such weapons.
>
>Agreed. They would be noticed for sure, but my problem is that these
>highly specialized weapons seem to be factured by the thousands,
>they are as likely to get as a SMG.
>For Real-Life check: ever tried to get a HK P11? The fancy underwater
>pistol in use by many underwater operation units?

I can't get a rocket launcher or assault cannon either.

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Hamish Laws
h_laws@**********.utas.edu.au
h_laws@******.net.au
Message no. 7
From: Arclight arclight@**************.com
Subject: Underwater weapons from Cyberpirates
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:58:47 +0200
And finally, Hamish laws expressed himself by writing:

> Yeah. But how many pirates are there in the world?

A lot less than those guns for sure (IMO)

> What I'd have is the availability be around that where they might be
> purchased reasonably often but never in stock in most places.

That wouldn't be 5/48h for sure

<snip>

> >Agreed. They would be noticed for sure, but my problem is that these
> >highly specialized weapons seem to be factured by the thousands,
> >they are as likely to get as a SMG.
> >For Real-Life check: ever tried to get a HK P11? The fancy underwater
> >pistol in use by many underwater operation units?
>
> I can't get a rocket launcher or assault cannon either.

Sure, same for me. But I could get a AK74, with about 100 rounds of
ammo :) ... and these items are heavily restricted where I live.

--
[arclight@*********.de]<><><><><><>[ICQ14322211]
"It may not be war, but it sure as hell ain't peace"
Major General Steven Arnold - On Somalia
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