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Message no. 1
From: Phaeros Lostchilde <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Universities and stuff
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 19:11:42 -0600
Anyone here wondering what the universities are like in 2054? Just
wondering if anyone has made a run on one yet.

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Message no. 2
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@********.CLARK.NET>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 22:06:36 -0500
On Fri, 17 Dec 1993, Phaeros Lostchilde wrote:

> Anyone here wondering what the universities are like in 2054? Just
> wondering if anyone has made a run on one yet.

not really..with the advent of the skill and know softs i am sure that
things in the education system changed drastically
i would venture to guess some sort of non-jack in methods af inputting
data to the human brain have been perfected and time in the class room is
either a thing of our time or for a reason totaly different than what we
use it for
i would think something like the play it while you sleep audio tape
except on a much more efficient scale [jonny troll put your edu-visor
back on and relax in your couch so you will be able to absorb your lesson
properly..you know how your figiting slows things down....]

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Message no. 3
From: Warlok <EHULTGRE@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 14:48:46 EST
Okay, here's my take on Universities in 2054: There aren't any!!!!!
Well, that's not entirely true. But like so many other things, schooling is
only available to the people with money, and higher learning is probably res-
tricted to coroporate wagelsave families. Even then, it might just be the
higher ups who get the chance. Anyway, this being the case, I think making a
run against a university would mean, basically, running against some slighty-
less-powerful-than-normal corop security.

-Warlok

"Lord, come take me now. I feel that it's over."
Message no. 4
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 14:01:52 -0600
On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Warlok wrote:

> Okay, here's my take on Universities in 2054: There aren't any!!!!!

MIT&M?

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Message no. 5
From: Warlok <EHULTGRE@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 14:59:53 EST
<DOH!!!!> I forgot about that ! Oh God, here come the carp!!!!! <aaaaahhh!>
<runs screaming from horde of attacking fish>

-warlok
Message no. 6
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 14:29:10 -0600
On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Warlok wrote:

> <DOH!!!!> I forgot about that ! Oh God, here come the carp!!!!!
<aaaaahhh!>
> <runs screaming from horde of attacking fish>

The fish come storming over the hilltop, riding in a ha;f-dozen
choppers. From a loud-speaker comes Wagner, sending fear into the hearts
of all.

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Message no. 7
From: Erik <EHULTGRE@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 16:29:50 EST
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Warlok wrote:

> <DOH!!!!> I forgot about that ! Oh God, here come the carp!!!!!
<aaaaahhh!>
> <runs screaming from horde of attacking fish>
Fearless Leader wrote:
The fish come storming over the hilltop, riding in a ha;f-dozen
choppers. From a loud-speaker comes Wagner, sending fear into the hearts
of all.

----------
Shouldn't that be fish in panzers, blasting techno-metal??( Voivod??)
The local gaurdsmen ready their Troutkiller Missiles and prepare for the attack
.
Could it get sillier??

-Warlok

Famous words: "Gimme!Gimme!Gimme!Gimme!"
Message no. 8
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 15:42:03 -0600
On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Erik wrote:

> Fearless Leader wrote:
> The fish come storming over the hilltop, riding in a ha;f-dozen
> choppers. From a loud-speaker comes Wagner, sending fear into the hearts
> of all.
>
> ----------
> Shouldn't that be fish in panzers, blasting techno-metal??( Voivod??)
> The local gaurdsmen ready their Troutkiller Missiles and prepare for the attack
> .
> Could it get sillier??


I dont' know, it doesn't have the same effect. Wagner rules for the
aerial aural bombardment.

SEE: Apocolypse Now

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Message no. 9
From: Warlok <EHULTGRE@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 16:38:36 EST
Yeah, I knew what you meant, I was just trying to move it into the Shadowrn
mthos. Are your loyal minions fish??? Just wondering.

(The Angered Fearless Leader rises, and threatens to smote the world with his
arsenal of wet fish!)

-warlok
Message no. 10
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 15:47:45 -0600
On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Warlok wrote:

> Yeah, I knew what you meant, I was just trying to move it into the Shadowrn
> mthos. Are your loyal minions fish??? Just wondering.

I'll never tell, that way when my minions strike you will never know frem
whence they came.

> (The Angered Fearless Leader rises, and threatens to smote the world with his
> arsenal of wet fish!)

I'm doing some DNA testing of corssing carp-DNA with plutonium....

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Message no. 11
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 20:12:05 -0500
On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Warlok wrote:

> <DOH!!!!> I forgot about that ! Oh God, here come the carp!!!!!
<aaaaahhh!>
> <runs screaming from horde of attacking fish>

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By the way, look for a Sprawl (coming soon to a NERPS near you!)
where a bunch of the 2050's version of "college nerds" hang out.
Message no. 12
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 19:20:09 -0600
On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, J.D. Falk wrote:

> By the way, look for a Sprawl (coming soon to a NERPS near you!)
> where a bunch of the 2050's version of "college nerds" hang out.

Oh, you mean a computer lab?

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Message no. 13
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 20:20:03 -0500
On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, J.D. Falk wrote:
>
> > By the way, look for a Sprawl (coming soon to a NERPS near you!)
> > where a bunch of the 2050's version of "college nerds" hang out.
>
> Oh, you mean a computer lab?
>
Close...magic students will be there, too. But there are whole
banks of phones to plug your deck into....
Message no. 14
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 20:26:59 -0600
>>> <DOH!!!!> I forgot about that ! Oh God, here come the carp!!!!!
<aaaaahhh!>
>>> <runs screaming from horde of attacking fish>

>>Fearless Leader wrote:
>>The fish come storming over the hilltop, riding in a ha;f-dozen
>>choppers. From a loud-speaker comes Wagner, sending fear into the hearts
>>of all.

----------
>Shouldn't that be fish in panzers, blasting techno-metal??( Voivod??)
>The local gaurdsmen ready their Troutkiller Missiles and prepare for the attack
>.
>Could it get sillier??


Well, it beats getting scalped by candy canes.

J Roberson
Message no. 15
From: Chris Yang <cyang@*****.UBC.CA>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 14:57:22 -0800
On Fri, 17 Dec 1993, Phaeros Lostchilde wrote:

> Anyone here wondering what the universities are like in 2054? Just
> wondering if anyone has made a run on one yet.
>
I run a campaign set in the Pacific Northwest (Vancouver of course)
and (ahem) The Department of Heremetic Studies has one of the
largest Magical Groups in the area. The runners don't get a lot of
use out of it though; the strictures are not really condusive to
working in the shadows.

I spelled condusive wrong, didn't I.

Chris

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University of British Columbia cyang@******.botany.ubc.ca
Dept of Botany
Message no. 16
From: Phaeros Lostchilde <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 21:39:30 -0600
Oh, of course. And the U of I has the premier cyberdeck development corps
drooling. *grin*

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Steve Hilberg
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Message no. 17
From: "Dylan Northrup (PHY)" <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 10:42:09 -0500
On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Warlok wrote:
>
> > Okay, here's my take on Universities in 2054: There aren't any!!!!!
>
> MIT&M?
>

Disney University?

Texas A&M&M?

Northwest University of Chicago?

and Rob, It is actually MIT&T.

Check the NAGNA for more educational institutions.

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Message no. 18
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 19:08:18 -0600
>not really..with the advent of the skill and know softs i am sure that
>things in the education system changed drastically

No matter how good a skillsoft is, knowing the actual skill will always
be preferable.

A lot of people in my family are educators, and from what I've seen, the
trend is toward teaching thinking skills rather than outright technical
abilities. The ability to conceptualize a problem and its solution is
more important that simple knowledge of facts, especially when the facts
are readily available on pocket secretaries and the like.

Actualy, it's kind of like role-playing games in general. Our characters
substitute for skillsofts, but we stil have to come up with plans and
deduce information before using them. I may have a Decker will Computer 12
but unless I can figure out likely places to search and fit information
together, I'm pretty useless.

J Roberson
Message no. 19
From: Phaeros Lostchilde <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 21:57:52 -0600
No, it IS MIT&M. Read the history part of SRII where is tells about them and
UCLA as being the first schools to offer thaumaturgy majors. Hey, could we
speed up the process a little? I am going to college next year and my best
bet so far is CS (submajor=MUDding?).

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Steve Hilberg
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Message no. 20
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 22:17:55 -0600
On Mon, 20 Dec 1993, Phaeros Lostchilde wrote:

> No, it IS MIT&M. Read the history part of SRII where is tells about them and
> UCLA as being the first schools to offer thaumaturgy majors. Hey, could we
> speed up the process a little? I am going to college next year and my best
> bet so far is CS (submajor=MUDding?).

Try open studies.

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Message no. 21
From: "Dylan Northrup (PHY)" <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 13:31:14 -0500
On Mon, 20 Dec 1993, Phaeros Lostchilde wrote:

> No, it IS MIT&M. Read the history part of SRII where is tells about them and
> UCLA as being the first schools to offer thaumaturgy majors. Hey, could we
> speed up the process a little? I am going to college next year and my best
> bet so far is CS (submajor=MUDding?).

But in The Grimoire it is called MIT&T as in Technology and Taumaturgy.
Yet anothere example of FASA's excellent continuity.

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Message no. 22
From: Phaeros Lostchilde <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 14:32:25 -0600
Heh. It gets worse. Anyone here play BattleTech?
I would really like one of those "hit sinks" or PPC 10's that do 3 damage, 10
heat. *grin*

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Message no. 23
From: Ben Jordan <jordanbd@***.BELOIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Universities and stuff
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 16:34:22 +22310502
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