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Message no. 1
From: Dark Steel seattle2052@*******.com
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:50:47 PDT
USA

-Jeremy B.


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From adamj@*********.html.com Mo
Message no. 2
From: Rafael Vega fliavega@***.net.co
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:42:46 -0500
I´m from Colombia (South America)
I know a lot of people who play shadowrun here in about four cities


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Aaron Binns <sparrow@***.net.au>
Para: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Fecha: Domingo 6 de Junio de 1999 8:33 PM
Asunto: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN
players?


>Out of interest, What countries are people from on this list?
>
>I can already start the list, but add your own if you like. It would be
>interesting to see just how far and where the influence of ShadowRN has
>spread across the globe.
>
>GreyWolf
>
>***
>
>The List: (SO FAR)
>Australia
>USA
>Canada
>Portugal
>Germany
>
>
>
>





From DeckerL@******.com Mon, 07 J
Message no. 3
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:36:47 +0200
According to Aaron Binns, at 21:32 on 7 Jun 99, the word on
the street was...

> Out of interest, What countries are people from on this list?

One hint I have for you is to look at the domain on the email addresses.
I'll grant you that .com, .org, or .net doesn't mean much most of the
time, but my .nl gives exactly the information you're after :)

(In case you're not familiar with these domains, it's the Netherlands.)

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From porthos@*******.com Mon, 07
Message no. 4
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:39:29 CST
>From: Starrngr@***.com
>It actually does, Gurth. Addresses that end in one of those three
>originate
>in the US. Now, I will admit that with the spread of Hotmail, AOL, and
>Yahoo, that is of much less use, sinc epeople can subsribe to those
>services
>without being in the US, but it does give a starting place.

Those three also work in Canada too.

>
>Other contry domains that I know of include:
>..jp Japan
>..au Australia
>..nz New Zeland
>..ph the Phillipines
..can for Canada


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From adamj@*********.html.com Mon
Message no. 5
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:03:23 CST
> >..can for Canada
>
>No n. Just .ca
>
>:-)

Whooops!! My bad! :-)

>
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From Graht@**********.worldnet.at
Message no. 6
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:54:29 +1000
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?

Lady J writes:
> Not always... look at my email address? I'm in Australia. So is Robert
> Watkins, whose email address is at mincom.com - it doesn't always
> hold true.

Indeed, and I have been identified as an American so many times it makes me
sick... :)

To be precise: any email address that does not end with a country identifier
indicates that it comes from a domain that is REGISTERED in the States.
However, many organisations outside of the US have domains that are
registered in the States (such as my own erstwhile employer), largely to
make it easier to play on a global scale.

<history lesson>
Strictly speaking, ALL domain names should have a country identifier, but
when the DNS standard was being implemented, most of the US sites didn't
bother putting on the country ID (which, by the way, is .us). It was then
presented as a fait accompli, and caused all sorts of hassles a year later
when they hooked up Canadian universities to the ARPANet.
</history lesson>

Also, be aware that many people might work for an international
organisation, which uses the one domain name for handling staff. As an
example, a friend of mine works for Unisys Australia in Melbourne, but his
email is soandso@******.com, not soandso@******.com.au.

And, of course, there is Lady J's case... she uses a freemail account, based
in the States, but accessed from elsewhere.

So, if no country code is present, you can't quite safely assume the person
is from the States.

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From Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be Tue
Message no. 7
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:12:21 +1000
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?

Sven De Herdt writes:
> Indeed it doesn't, (IMHO and IIRC) .com, .org and .net were one of the
> first domains used when internet was set up, like .gov and they were
> intended for following use:
> .com --> companies
> .org --> organizations
> .net --> I have no clue about this one

Networks of their own. For example, AOL really should have a .net domain
name, not a .com.

Nowadays, .net is largely used for groups that can't get their preferred
.com, or the .org domain name. Sort of a miscelleaneous group.

> .gov --> governments
>
> I think originally these were used to try to get some structure and
> logic in the internet architecture.
>
> *just my humble opinion of course*

Almost right. :) As I mentioned before, they really should have a country
code at the end. Furthermore, the hierarchy was only to be a suggestion, and
other countries could (and did) implement different naming standards,
usually due to legacy.

As an example, the UK had a nationwide network before the Internet as well:
JaNET. The categories there included (but are not limited to): ac --
academic, co -- corporate, go -- government. These are still used (check out
the addresses of the various Brits on the list). Australia also had a
seperate group (the .oz groups) that are still around, but you can't get an
address in it anymore.

(JaNET had another peculiarity as well... the order was reversed. Instead of
machine.group.category.country, it was country.category.group.machine. E.G.,
a site such as trinity.cambridge.ac.uk would have been
uk.ac.cambridge.trinity. They used a protocol to handle reversing names
around in the UK for a while, but it caused problems, and eventually JaNET
bit the dust and they put in DNS instead)

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From jestyr@*********.html.com Tue,
Message no. 8
From: David Hinkley dhinkley@***.org
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:46:03 -0700
From: David Hinkley dhinkley@***.org
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?

Date sent: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 21:32:01 +1000
From: Aaron Binns <sparrow@***.net.au>
To: shadowrn@*********.org
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN
players?
Send reply to: shadowrn@*********.org

> Out of interest, What countries are people from on this list?
>
> I can already start the list, but add your own if you like. It would be
> interesting to see just how far and where the influence of ShadowRN has
> spread across the globe.

A Great idea!!

> The List: (SO FAR)
> Australia
> USA
Oregon
> Canada
> Portugal
> Germany
>
>
As a citizen of a geographically large country (the United States of
America),limiting the inquiry to just countries seems to be less then
satisfactory. I there for propose that in the case of large countries, like the
United States, Canada, or Australia that the state or provence also be listed.



David Hinkley
dhinkley@***.org

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in politics
are punished by being governed by those who are not
--Plato




From decor.consulting@***.servicom.e
Message no. 9
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the Shado wRN players?
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:35:15 -0500
On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:00:26 +0200 Sven De Herdt
<Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be> writes:
<SNIP>
>Indeed it doesn't, (IMHO and IIRC) .com, .org and .net were one of the
>first domains used when internet was set up, like .gov and they were
>intended for following use:
>.com --> companies
>.org --> organizations
>.net --> I have no clue about this one
>.gov --> governments
<SNIP>

I think .net refers to someone with a direct connection to the internet
(as opposed to getting it from an ISP). The difference between getting
your ISPs that end in .com and .net is that the .com ISPs get their
access through someone else. In otherwords, the .com ISPs are middle
men. I was told that you can get better perforance from an ISP that
ended in .net. Or so I'm told. I don't know if this is correct.

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(aka Pixel)
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From cybertroll@******.crosswinds.net T
Message no. 10
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:07:40 -0400
David Hinkley wrote:

> Date sent: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 21:32:01 +1000
> From: Aaron Binns <sparrow@***.net.au>
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the
ShadowRN
> players?
> Send reply to: shadowrn@*********.org
>
> > Out of interest, What countries are people from on this list?
> >
> > I can already start the list, but add your own if you like. It would be
> > interesting to see just how far and where the influence of ShadowRN has
> > spread across the globe.
>
> A Great idea!!
>
> > The List: (SO FAR)
> > Australia
> > USA
> Oregon
> > Canada
> > Portugal
> > Germany
> >
> >
> As a citizen of a geographically large country (the United States of
> America),limiting the inquiry to just countries seems to be less then
> satisfactory. I there for propose that in the case of large countries, like the
> United States, Canada, or Australia that the state or provence also be listed.
>
> David Hinkley
> dhinkley@***.org
>
> ===================================================> Those who are too intelligent
to engage in politics
> are punished by being governed by those who are not
> --Plato

I agree. I'll start with my state:
New Hampshire

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From cullyn@*****.com.au Tue, 08 Jun 19
Message no. 11
From: Jarmo Karonen jarmo.karonen@***.fi
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are theShadowRNplayers?
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:59:55 +0300
>> > Out of interest, What countries are people from on this list?

>> > The List: (SO FAR)
>> > Australia
>> > USA
>> > Canada
>> > Portugal
>> > Germany
>> UK
>> South Africa
>Belgium
>Scoatland (spell ok hope) living in South Africa
>Netherlands
>Denmark
>and
>Mexico hope Guatemala

Finland

>Ahuizotl

- Jarmo Karonen






From Paul@********.demon.co.uk Tue, 8 J
Message no. 12
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [Unofficial ShadowRN Census] Where in the world are the ShadowRN players?
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:18:28 +0200
According to Starrngr@***.com, at 15:13 on 7 Jun 99, the word on
the street was...

> > One hint I have for you is to look at the domain on the email addresses.
> > I'll grant you that .com, .org, or .net doesn't mean much most of the
> > time, but my .nl gives exactly the information you're after :)
>
> It actually does, Gurth. Addresses that end in one of those three originate
> in the US.

In the past, yes. Today, no. .com is what everybody seems to want for
their system, regardless of whether it's in the US or not -- for example,
a broadcasting corp here has tros.com (which is silly when you know their
history, but that's not important here). I believe that .edu and .gov
still are exclusively US, but for the others I mentioned, that no longer
goes AFAIK.

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From gurth@******.nl Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:18:28 +0200
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:18:28 +0200
From: Gurth gurt

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