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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Kismet)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Thu Mar 29 14:25:01 2001
I was flipping through the old Threats book and got to wondering if any of
it was relevant now. I know, as GM I can say that it is still relevant in my
own game but I have used most of them before. Some of the threats I don't
know about however so can you fill me in? It looks like we will have to wait
forever for the new threats book, so why not rehash this? Ok The ones that I
know have been dealt with.

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Darke-- Dragon Heart Saga dealt with him.
Winterknight-Ragnarock I believe took them out.
Halberstams babies-- Pretty much a one run adventure.
KSAF- Dunkies death.
Bugs-- I don't want to type out the list of books that dealt with them.
Blood mage gestalt-- Dragon Heart.
Tutor- Another one run threat.
Strain III- Target Ucas and Bug City

The ones I don't know about:

Alamos 20,000-- Have they been taken out?
Vampire Conspiracy- Has Ordo Maximus been taken out?
Black Lodge-- Did I miss a book?
Human Nation- Umm pretty much the same as Alamos, don't know why we needed
two.
Atlantean Conspiracy and Dragons- Still relevant I suppose, but not a big
mystery anymore?

I would love to hear stealable plots that you have used with the above
threats. Thanks for the info!

Kismet
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Thu Mar 29 22:00:01 2001
> I was flipping through the old Threats book and got
to wondering if any of it was relevant now. I know, as
GM I can say that it is still relevant in my own game
but I have used most of them before. Some of the
threats I don't know about however so can you fill me
in? It looks like we will have to wait forever for the
new threats book, so why not rehash this? Ok The ones
that I know have been dealt with.
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Darke-- Dragon Heart Saga dealt with him.

Yes, but if you look at Harlequin's Back, where he
makes his first appearance, they talk about having a
'new' Darke - a new super-powered agent of the
Horrors. Officially, though, this is unlikely to
happen, if Wizkids continue the latest FASA policies -
the Horrors are out of Shadowrun for now.

> Winterknight-Ragnarock I believe took them out.

Hah!

You're kidding, right?

Ragnarock put paid to one part of the Winternight
organisation, and that, IMO was only the part which
Alamais had taken direct control of. Outside Germany,
I'd say Winternight's still a major threat. I talked
to Steve Kenson about this after I read the book,
because Winternight is one of my favourite threats
(voted most likely to give me nightmares ;) ). He
indicated to me that the book wasn't designed to put
paid to Winternight. If you're running a campaign in
America, I'd say they're still operating over there at
full capacity. And, IMO, they should be operating more
efficiently and more scarily than they were portrayed
in Ragnarock. Winternight is probably the deadliest of
all the 'pure human' threats out there. They're very
good at subverting people and hiding their tracks. If
you use them, they should give your players nightmares
for years to come - if your players even REALISE
they're up against Winternight - which assumes that
they're not being manipulated into HELPING
Winternight.

Look at it this way. Done right, Winternight should be
the human equivalent of the great dragons. You don't
mess with them, because they can mess you SO much
better down the track.

> Halberstams babies-- Pretty much a one run
adventure.

Probably true...but still around.

> KSAF- Dunkies death.

I'd say so.

> Bugs-- I don't want to type out the list of books
that dealt with them.

Heh. Yeah, true. :)

Remember, though, the entry in Threats was about
nastier, smarter bugs. No mention of such stuff was
ever made in anything that described the bug threat in
Chicago being 'ended'. So...

> Blood mage gestalt-- Dragon Heart.

*A* blood mage gestalt. There are likely others,
probably not as powerful as the ones from Dragon Heart
- but they'll get better.

> Tutor- Another one run threat.

Kinda. Should be more like a lingering bastard that
screws your team over, then vanishes...he should be
like a niggling injury - there's always the threat
he'll come back...

> Strain III- Target Ucas and Bug City

Well, described there, sure. Definitely could cause
problems elsewhere.

> The ones I don't know about:
>
> Alamos 20,000-- Have they been taken out?

You wish. Big, bad, and looking to beat on some metas.

> Vampire Conspiracy- Has Ordo Maximus been taken out?

Nope. These guys have still only been seen, at most,
as the puppetmasters behind certain SR plots.

> Black Lodge-- Did I miss a book?

Nope. Haven't been mentioned again.

> Human Nation- Umm pretty much the same as Alamos,
don't know why we needed two.

Because these are the ultimate evil bastards. Alamos
is the fanatics, the death squads and the like. Human
Nation - they're the puppetmasters - and who says
they're all human, or that their true goals are in
line with those of the rest of Humanis? Basically,
they haven't been explored, so there's a lot of
potential here.

> Atlantean Conspiracy and Dragons- Still relevant I
suppose, but not a big mystery anymore?

Not so much, no. Although there's obviously a lot you
could do with both, esp. the Atlanteans and links to
Earthdawn.

> I would love to hear stealable plots that you have
used with the above threats. Thanks for the info!
> Kismet

Sorry, Kismet. I could tell you, but then I'd have to
kill you. ;)

All my plots related to these guys are in stories, not
in games.

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (BD)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Thu Mar 29 22:15:01 2001
> I was flipping through the old Threats book and got to wondering if
any of it was relevant now.
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> Halberstams babies-- Pretty much a one run adventure.

Not really, if you don't make them the focus of the run. Target:
Matrix mentions that Halberstam has started experimenting on another
group of kiddies, Otaku I think... so he's still around.

> Alamos 20,000-- Have they been taken out?

Nope, not that I know of.

> Vampire Conspiracy- Has Ordo Maximus been taken out?

I think so... dunno what the book was... The Terminus Experiment,
perhaps?

> Black Lodge-- Did I miss a book?

No, they're still around and as preposterous as ever.

> Human Nation- Umm pretty much the same as Alamos, don't know why we
needed two.

Not sure either :)

> Atlantean Conspiracy and Dragons- Still relevant I suppose, but not a
big mystery anymore?

Well, you can do whatever you want with the Atlantean Foundation,
including links to ED. They're so shadowy yet ever-present that they'd
be good to develop.

====-Boondocker

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Michael Baer)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Fri Mar 30 02:30:01 2001
From: BD <l3oondocker@*****.com>

>
> Halberstams babies-- Pretty much a one run adventure.
>
<snip>

Actually, I believe they were also mentioned in Psychotrope. I don't have
the book here right now, but it's worth a check.

~NexusVoid
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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Brother Justice)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Fri Mar 30 08:55:01 2001
>From: "Michael Baer" <m.r.baer@********.att.net>
>Reply-To: shadowrn@*********.com
>To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
>Subject: Re: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:14:53 -0500
>
>From: BD <l3oondocker@*****.com>
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> > Halberstams babies-- Pretty much a one run adventure.
> >
><snip>
>
>Actually, I believe they were also mentioned in Psychotrope. I don't have
>the book here right now, but it's worth a check.
>
>~NexusVoid
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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Fri Mar 30 09:15:00 2001
> > I was flipping through the old Threats book and
got to wondering if any of it was relevant now.
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> adventure.
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<snipt!(TM)>
> > Vampire Conspiracy- Has Ordo Maximus been taken
out?
>
> I think so... dunno what the book was... The
Terminus Experiment, perhaps?
<snipt!(TM)>
> -Boondocker

Take my word for it, Boonie. The Terminus Experiment
did NOT do away with the Ordo Maximus.

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Fri Mar 30 09:20:01 2001
> > Halberstams babies-- Pretty much a one run
adventure.
> >
> <snip>
>
> Actually, I believe they were also mentioned in
Psychotrope. I don't have the book here right now, but
it's worth a check.
> ~NexusVoid

In passing, only.

Like many deckers, they were affected by the events of
the novel. They weren't, however, a part of them.

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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Martin Steffens)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Fri Mar 30 10:45:01 2001
> From: Kismet [mailto:kismet-sr@****.com]

> I was flipping through the old Threats book and got to
> wondering if any of it was relevant now. I know, as GM I can
> say that it is still relevant in my own game but I have used
> most of them before.

[Left the spoiler space out]
I don't think the Threats book would have been very good if they
eliminated all threats in two (?) years since it was published. The idea
of the book is to have groups of very powerful beings that are some of
the powers behind the thrones, and they would not be that easy to
eliminate or just come back in a different form. You can kill a few, but
there's always new minions to take over from the fallen. Plus they
occupy a certain amount of space in the balance of things, and when one
weakens the others grow and vice versa.

So your book is still valid :), and I don't think a Threats II would be
coming out any time soon

Martin
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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Adam J)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Fri Mar 30 11:50:00 2001
At 08:47 30/03/2001, Martin Steffens wrote:

>So your book is still valid :), and I don't think a Threats II would be
>coming out any time soon

Threats 2 was one of the books that was nearly finished at the time FASA
quit production....

Adam
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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Fri Mar 30 12:30:01 2001
According to Martin Steffens, on Fri, 30 Mar 2001 the word on the street
was...

> So your book is still valid :), and I don't think a Threats II would be
> coming out any time soon

If the books will continue to be published according to FASA's plans,
Threats 2 should be released in the not-too-distant future. Of course,
these days, who knows what might happen and what won't?

> - Who wonders why the MS Secret Police didn't make it into the book... -

It's easy when you think about it: the organizations in Threats were the
really powerful ones that weren't really powerful enough -- to keep their
name out, that is...

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Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Martin Steffens)
Subject: Unresolved Threats(Possible Spoilers)
Date: Sat Mar 31 08:50:01 2001
> From: Adam J

> Threats 2 was one of the books that was nearly finished at
> the time FASA
> quit production....

Go figure... Well that's the last time I try predict something using
logical assumptions. Back to the ol' crystal ball for me :).

Martin
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