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Message no. 1
From: MERKEL@******.FNAL.GOV
Subject: unsubscribing
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 08:55:46 -0500
could someone please sign me off of this list. The listserver refuses
to let me go. It keeps telling me i am not subscribed when i try
to sign off. <grin>
Thanks Bruce Merkel
Message no. 2
From: Justin Pinnow <jpinnow@***.IM.MED.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: (Un)Subscribing?
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:24:45 -0500
I am sorry if I missed the answer to this question somehow, but should I
unsubscribe to the SHADOWRN list and/or subscribe to the list at the new
location? Is this done automatically for me?

Thanks :)


Justin :)
(who is hoping the admins. will take mercy on his ignorant soul...) ;)
Message no. 3
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@************.ORG>
Subject: Re: (Un)Subscribing?
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:40:58 -0500
On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Justin Pinnow wrote:

> I am sorry if I missed the answer to this question somehow, but should I
> unsubscribe to the SHADOWRN list and/or subscribe to the list at the new
> location? Is this done automatically for me?

Mark and I are endeavoring to keep the iTribe recipient list
identical to the HEARN list, so it should be automatic -- the HEARN list
will just disappear (probably any moment now.)

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Message no. 4
From: "Robert Pendergrast (Tom)" <3011_3@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: unsubscribing...
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:52:18 -0700
Hi guys. I'm leaving the list now... I don't know if I'll be back, so
Happy holidays everyone, and merry christmas.

-Tom-

BTW- PhysAds rule, Mages kick shamans, and you can't ground through
quickenings!!
Message no. 5
From: Czar Eggbert <czregbrt@*********.EDU>
Subject: Re: unsubscribing...
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:16:51 -0600
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Robert Pendergrast (Tom) wrote:

> Hi guys. I'm leaving the list now... I don't know if I'll be back, so
> Happy holidays everyone, and merry christmas.
>
> -Tom-
>
> BTW- PhysAds rule, Mages kick shamans, and you can't ground through
> quickenings!!
>
EVIL!!! EVIL!!!!

:)
Czar "If I Only Had A Brain.... I Wouldn't Eat Yours." Eggbert
Message no. 6
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: Re: unsubscribing...
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:40:27 GMT
Robert Pendergrast (Tom) (3011_3@***.EDU) wrote:
: Hi guys. I'm leaving the list now... I don't know if I'll be back, so
: Happy holidays everyone, and merry christmas.
: BTW- PhysAds rule, Mages kick shamans, and you can't ground through
: quickenings!!

Hehehehehe... merry christmas to you as well - have fun ! *grin*

Later,
Georg

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Message no. 7
From: Zarcon <prinzing@********.COM>
Subject: unsubscribing
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:30:49 -0500
how can you swich what email address the list goes to?
im geting a new ISP (hopfully a better one) and i was wonderin if you can
change where this comes to without unsubscribing and re subscribing

Zarcon
Message no. 8
From: Mike Phillips <mikep@***.NET.AU>
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:23:13 +0900
Help! How can I get off the shadowrun mailing list?
I'm trying to reduce the extraneous mail that's flowing in here,
courtesy of my son!
I'm a relative newbie on the 'net (but not to computers, I've been
around them since the days when they took up a whole room, had lots of
flashing lights, and you loaded your (machine code) programs in on hand
switches!)
I might not be going about this the right way, but could someone PLEASE
take us off the list? (Or advise me how to get it done)
Thanks
Mike Phillips
mikep@***.net.au
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Sun Mar 11 05:30:01 2001
Hello List,
I felt the need to post one last message before leaving the List.

The reason really is the lack of response to posts, that myself and
a number of other new subscribers have got.

My interest in the List has always been to further my interest in
Shadowrun and aid others in doing so, unfortunately I have found
the List to be a collection of friends that reply to each other.

That is with the exception of Gurth who genuniely makes an effort
to reply to most posts.

My intention in sending this post is not to start some long thread or
flaming session, but that the List can remember the whole point of
its existance, TO PLAY SHADOWRUN AND MORE
IMPORTANTLY TO HAVE FUN!!!

Max
Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (TexasFriedCriminal)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Sun Mar 11 05:40:00 2001
From: max.trebilcock@******.net
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 6:59 AM

> The reason really is the lack of response to posts, that myself and
> a number of other new subscribers have got.
>
> My interest in the List has always been to further my interest in
> Shadowrun and aid others in doing so, unfortunately I have found
> the List to be a collection of friends that reply to each other.
>
> That is with the exception of Gurth who genuniely makes an effort
> to reply to most posts.

I have to disagree, being a "new subscriber" myself, everyone of my posts
has been answered by somebody... I do not share your feelings.
but I do understand that such an experience is very frustrating

> My intention in sending this post is not to start some long thread or
> flaming session, but that the List can remember the whole point of
> its existance, TO PLAY SHADOWRUN AND MORE
> IMPORTANTLY TO HAVE FUN!!!

I have fun playing shadowrun :)

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46 - 50 Ork scorchers massacre home town.
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Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Augustus)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Sun Mar 11 13:15:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: <max.trebilcock@******.net>
>
> The reason really is the lack of response to posts, that myself and
> a number of other new subscribers have got.

I just wanted to say... that though this might be true... sometimes the
problem isn't people not answering your questions... but the questions
themselves.

I've put forth a few questions that have garnered a mountain of replies...
just as I have put forth a few that have gotten none (or maybe 1) reply.

In those cases, sometimes its just that either:
1) There is no real response that can be given... all you end up with is
different people interpreting the rules for you.
2) The question can be ambiguous... if this is the case, I myself usually
sit and wait for somebody else to ask for clarification.
3) The question was answered properly by the first person who replied to
it. No point in a dozen people posting the same response to the list...
just bogs the rest of us down.
4) This list seems to play second fiddle to the dumpshock forums at times
(sometimes, not all the time though). You post a question there and often
it'll have 5-10 replies within an hour or so... Sometimes this list is the
same... not one of those things you can measure... sometimes it just
happens.

> My interest in the List has always been to further my interest in
> Shadowrun and aid others in doing so, unfortunately I have found
> the List to be a collection of friends that reply to each other.

To a degree this is true... but some of it also keeps the list going.
Right now there is no new news on the Shadowrun/Fanpro front, there are no
new books coming out for a little while, and so on... If people posted
nothing you'd end up with people posting either:
1) "Anybody here? I haven't gotten a message in a couple of days" or...
2) "Sure is quiet in here lately..."

But otherwise this is pretty much how the net is... this list is frequented
by alot of people who know eachother... though they do sometimes refer to
'inside jokes' and such... they don't really go on and post extensive
messages to eachother. But this is mostly how it is wherever you go on the
net.

> My intention in sending this post is not to start some long thread or
> flaming session, but that the List can remember the whole point of
> its existance, TO PLAY SHADOWRUN AND MORE
> IMPORTANTLY TO HAVE FUN!!!

I dont' think anybody would have taken your posting of a goodbye as a
flame... sometimes this list is full of crap and I'll get 20+ messages in a
day where I'll read 1 or 2 and just delete the others... while others will
post and respond to those 20+ messages... its "different strokes for
different folks". Your last sentance does tend to imply that you find us
to be here arguing the rules and not having fun... be that the case, I can
say... I frequent the list, I get some of my questions answered, and I have
fun.

-Augustus-
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (David Buehrer)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Mon Mar 12 10:10:01 2001
At 10:28 AM 3/11/01 +0430, max.trebilcock@******.net wrote:
>Hello List,
>I felt the need to post one last message before leaving the List.
>
>The reason really is the lack of response to posts, that myself and
>a number of other new subscribers have got.
>
>My interest in the List has always been to further my interest in
>Shadowrun and aid others in doing so, unfortunately I have found
>the List to be a collection of friends that reply to each other.

And in addition to that, we're elitist snobs ;)

Of course we're friends. This is also a social list that has been around
for many years. If you want to become a ShadowRNer, you either have to
impress the hell out of us on the first post, or be patient. That being
said, there are members who take responsibility to responding to all posts
that require a response (see Gurth). The rest of the members happily let
them.

>That is with the exception of Gurth who genuniely makes an effort
>to reply to most posts.

Well, Gurth's replies are usually pretty thorough, so there usually isn't
any need to follow up to one of his replies.

And maybe your posts just weren't worth replying to <shrug>. Not every
attempt to start a discussion is a winner.

>My intention in sending this post is not to start some long thread or
>flaming session, but that the List can remember the whole point of
>its existance, TO PLAY SHADOWRUN AND MORE
>IMPORTANTLY TO HAVE FUN!!!

Now if only you would take your own advice :)

The point of the list has always been, and will always be, a "place" for
those interested in Shadowrun to discuss Shadowrun, and its various related
and unrelated aspects.

To Life,
-Graht
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To Life,
-Graht
--
"Earn what you have been given."
Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Mon Mar 12 13:45:10 2001
According to David Buehrer, on Mon, 12 Mar 2001 the word on the street was...

> And in addition to that, we're elitist snobs ;)

We already knew that, tell us something we don't know...

(Yeah, that was a joke. Those offended by it, read on -- it'll get better :)

> Of course we're friends. This is also a social list that has been around
> for many years. If you want to become a ShadowRNer, you either have to
> impress the hell out of us on the first post, or be patient.

This does make it sound like we're a closed bunch of people who only accept
outsiders who impress us -- a gang or something. AFAIC, that's very much
not the case, and a none too smart comment from you, David :)

> Well, Gurth's replies are usually pretty thorough, so there usually isn't
> any need to follow up to one of his replies.

Which is both good and bad. It's good because I don't like being
contradicted :) but bad because it can lead to people not thinking about
things themselves.

> And maybe your posts just weren't worth replying to <shrug>. Not every
> attempt to start a discussion is a winner.

Yet sometimes I see posts that really warrant a reply, for example because
someone is asking a question that looks to be important to them, yet nobody
answers at all. Even a reply by one person, saying "Sorry, I don't know the
answer to this but you might try <whatever>" is better than absolutely
nothing.

> >My intention in sending this post is not to start some long thread or
> >flaming session, but that the List can remember the whole point of
> >its existance, TO PLAY SHADOWRUN AND MORE
> >IMPORTANTLY TO HAVE FUN!!!
>
> Now if only you would take your own advice :)

I don't know if Max has already unsubbed, but if he has, then almost
everyone replying to his message is preaching to the converted. For this
reason, I decided to CC: my reply to him.

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Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (John Pederson)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Mon Mar 12 14:20:01 2001
"Gurth" <Gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> > Of course we're friends. This is also a social list that has
> > been around for many years. If you want to become a ShadowRNer,
> > you either have to impress the hell out of us on the first post,
> > or be patient.
>
> This does make it sound like we're a closed bunch of people who
> only accept outsiders who impress us -- a gang or something. AFAIC,
> that's very much not the case, and a none too smart comment from
> you, David :)

It's the ritual ShadowRN hazing that really turns people away, though.
First, you have to impress us. Then, if we like you, you have to
<<1.2Mps deleted by SysOp>> not so bad.

Seriously, the list doesn't seem quite as friendly as it did the last
time I was here, but it's also not half as active and some of the
people who posted the most seem to have dropped off, at least in terms
of frequency. For heaven's sake, there used to be a list greeter:)

> Which is both good and bad. It's good because I don't like being
> contradicted :) but bad because it can lead to people not thinking
> about things themselves.

Yes. It can lead to us not thinking about things ourselves. :)

> > And maybe your posts just weren't worth replying to <shrug>. Not
> > every attempt to start a discussion is a winner.
>
> Yet sometimes I see posts that really warrant a reply, for example
> because someone is asking a question that looks to be important to
> them, yet nobody answers at all. Even a reply by one person, saying
> "Sorry, I don't know the answer to this but you might try
> <whatever>" is better than absolutely nothing.

*shrug* It's a shame, but that's the way life goes sometimes, too. It
is surprising nobody tried, though.

--
John Pederson
pedersje@**.rose-hulman.edu
ICQ UIN 3190186
Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (David Buehrer)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Mon Mar 12 16:35:01 2001
At 02:18 PM 3/12/01 -0500, John Pederson wrote:
>"Gurth" <Gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> > > Of course we're friends. This is also a social list that has
> > > been around for many years. If you want to become a ShadowRNer,
> > > you either have to impress the hell out of us on the first post,
> > > or be patient.
> >
> > This does make it sound like we're a closed bunch of people who
> > only accept outsiders who impress us -- a gang or something. AFAIC,
> > that's very much not the case, and a none too smart comment from
> > you, David :)

Yeah, well, I never claimed to be smart. Can I help it if everyone made
that assumption? :) That, and while I haven't been involved in ShadowRN
the last six months, I have been heavily involved in an MPORG and have
gotten a bit of an edge. Here, watch this...

<turns to Dvixen> Hey Dvixen, bite me. <turns back to the discussion at hand>

See :)

But, it's only a mild edge. It's nothing compared to the acidic gaze that
Dvixen just used to bore a hole through my head.

>It's the ritual ShadowRN hazing that really turns people away, though.
>First, you have to impress us. Then, if we like you, you have to
><<1.2Mps deleted by SysOp>> not so bad.

Yep, you should feel honored if you were/are hazed upon entering
ShadowRN. I'm honored that I was hazed :) ...at least that's what I tell
myself every time that painful memory surfaces ;)

>Seriously, the list doesn't seem quite as friendly as it did the last
>time I was here, but it's also not half as active and some of the
>people who posted the most seem to have dropped off, at least in terms
>of frequency. For heaven's sake, there used to be a list greeter :)

And then so many people joined at one point that we lost track of the
newbies and the tradition kinda faded away... Hey John, want the job of
list greeter? :)

> > Which is both good and bad. It's good because I don't like being
> > contradicted :) but bad because it can lead to people not thinking
> > about things themselves.
>
>Yes. It can lead to us not thinking about things ourselves. :)

We can think? <g>

> > > And maybe your posts just weren't worth replying to <shrug>. Not
> > > every attempt to start a discussion is a winner.
> >
> > Yet sometimes I see posts that really warrant a reply, for example
> > because someone is asking a question that looks to be important to
> > them, yet nobody answers at all. Even a reply by one person, saying
> > "Sorry, I don't know the answer to this but you might try
> > <whatever>" is better than absolutely nothing.
>
>*shrug* It's a shame, but that's the way life goes sometimes, too. It
>is surprising nobody tried, though.

<nod>

To Life,
-David Buehrer, aka Graht
ShadowRN Gridsec, Nice Guy Division
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Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (John Pederson)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Mon Mar 12 17:05:08 2001
"David Buehrer" <DavidB@********.com> wrote:
<much snipped -- I'm not getting involved in that:)>
> Yep, you should feel honored if you were/are hazed upon entering
> ShadowRN. I'm honored that I was hazed :) ...at least that's what
> I tell myself every time that painful memory surfaces ;)

All I can remember is FAB bats and w**dch*cks... <<shudder>>

> And then so many people joined at one point that we lost track of
> the newbies and the tradition kinda faded away... Hey John, want
> the job of list greeter? :)

*thinks* Uh... no. This is my last quarter (yay!) at this
hellhole^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwonderful school and I don't think I can
spare/waste any more time on the list than I already am:) Ugh...
Homework... *sigh*

> >Yes. It can lead to us not thinking about things ourselves. :)
>
> We can think? <g>

That depends on a) what time it is and b) how long it's been since the
last caffeine or <insert stimulant of choice here> infusion.

*ding!*

It's time for happy juice! Errr... I mean, I think I'll go have a
Coke, now...

--
John Pederson
pedersje@**.rose-hulman.edu
ICQ UIN 3190186
Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Mon Mar 12 20:15:01 2001
> >Hello List,
> >I felt the need to post one last message before
leaving the List.
> >
> >The reason really is the lack of response to posts,
that myself and a number of other new subscribers have
got.
> >
> >My interest in the List has always been to further
my interest in Shadowrun and aid others in doing so,
unfortunately I have found the List to be a collection
of friends that reply to each other.
>
> And in addition to that, we're elitist snobs ;)
>
> Of course we're friends. This is also a social list
that has been around for many years. If you want to
become a ShadowRNer, you either have to impress the
hell out of us on the first post, or be patient
<snipt!(TM)>
> -Graht

Or be me. That's the third possibility.

It always helps to be me.

;)

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

.sig Sauer

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Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Nexx)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Mon Mar 12 21:10:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rand Ratinac"

> > Of course we're friends. This is also a social list
> that has been around for many years. If you want to
> become a ShadowRNer, you either have to impress the
> hell out of us on the first post, or be patient
> <snipt!(TM)>
> > -Graht
>
> Or be me. That's the third possibility.
>
> It always helps to be me.

Yes... after all, volume and obnoxiousness can force you into their
consciousness if they won't let you in the nice way, right? ;-)

Nexx, who has to stop taking the easy ones...
Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Mon Mar 12 21:40:01 2001
> > > Of course we're friends. This is also a social
list that has been around for many years. If you want
to become a ShadowRNer, you either have to impress the
hell out of us on the first post, or be patient
> > <snipt!(TM)>
> > > -Graht
> >
> > Or be me. That's the third possibility.
> >
> > It always helps to be me.
>
> Yes... after all, volume and obnoxiousness can force
you into their consciousness if they won't let you in
the nice way, right? ;-)

Precisely. :)

> Nexx, who has to stop taking the easy ones...

It's only easy if I didn't WANT you to say it...

Muahahahahah!!!

;)

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

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Message no. 20
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Scott W)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Mon Mar 12 22:50:01 2001
>> Or be me. That's the third possibility.
>> It always helps to be me.

> Yes... after all, volume and obnoxiousness can force you into their
consciousness if they won't let you in the nice way, right? ;-)
> Nexx

Hey, it worked (and still works) for me.

Big hint for newbies! If no-one answers your question, ASK IT
AGAIN! Say, "I asked this before but got nothing," and something
like "I'd really appreciate some help, I'm at my wit's end," and
someone should pipe up. It doesn't hurt to be vocal.

I know that the reasons _I_ didn't answer the questions Max asked
(was it Max? I'm not sure... but the fellow who started this thread)
were simple... the space one I didn't have the foggiest about and
would have been zero help with, and the mana warp one I thought,
"Rules question? EVERYone's gonna answer THAT one." Just dumb luck
EVERYone thought the same thing, I guess. Or it could be snobby
elitism, but I prefer to think it was a grand coincidental mistake.

====-Boondocker

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Message no. 21
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Martin Steffens)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 09:55:01 2001
From: David Buehrer

> Of course we're friends. This is also a social list that
> has been around for many years. If you want to become a
> ShadowRNer, you either have to impress the hell out of us
> on the first post, or be patient.

Or provoke enough people to get something going :)

> That being said, there
> are members who take responsibility to responding to all
> posts that require a response (see Gurth). The rest of
> the members happily let them.

Exactly. I can only speak for myself here, but I read this
list from work and, quite obviously, don't have any books
here. So I have the choice of answering a question along the
lines of "I think it might be this..." or just wait a few
minutes for someone else to reply who does have all the
rules.

Apart from that after 6 years or so there simply aren't
that many discussions that are interesting enough to
participate apart from just reading what other people say
about it. Combine that with a limited amount of hours in
the day and you see where my semi-lurker status comes from.

All that aside, if you don't have some patience and are
leaving after four unanswered questions that were all
specifically related to very specialistic areas of magic
then maybe you are better of trying somewhere else. And
It's not just the newbies who don't always get answered.
The list is a discussion forum, not necessarily a place
where you get an answer on all your questions. Also if
you just ask questions without participating in the
discussions I also notice that people are less willing to
answer. (and you might just have hit a magic saturation
point on the list, that happens a with any subject).

Martin
- Unanswered question tally 7 and rising -
Message no. 22
From: shadowrn@*********.com (David Buehrer)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 10:30:05 2001
At 05:14 PM 3/12/01 -0800, Rand Ratinac wrote:

> > Of course we're friends. This is also a social list
>that has been around for many years. If you want to
>become a ShadowRNer, you either have to impress the
>hell out of us on the first post, or be patient
><snipt!(TM)>
> > -Graht
>
>Or be me. That's the third possibility.
>
>It always helps to be me.
>
>;)

ROFL

<who's just been waiting for a chance to ditto ;)>

To Life,
-David Buehrer, aka Graht
ShadowRN Gridsec, Nice Guy Division
--
"Apparently I'm insane. But I'm one of the happy kinds!"
-Wally
Message no. 23
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Phil Smith)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 10:50:01 2001
>From: "Martin Steffens" <marste@*********.com>

I've come into this discussion part way through so I don't know if this has
been said yet, but...

>All that aside, if you don't have some patience and are
>leaving after four unanswered questions that were all
>specifically related to very specialistic areas of magic
>then maybe you are better of trying somewhere else. And
>It's not just the newbies who don't always get answered.
>The list is a discussion forum, not necessarily a place
>where you get an answer on all your questions. Also if
>you just ask questions without participating in the
>discussions I also notice that people are less willing to
>answer. (and you might just have hit a magic saturation
>point on the list, that happens a with any subject).

When I don't answer posts its becuase I have nothing useful to say about the
subject, not becuase I don't like the poster. From the POV of the poster I
can see how this would seem like I'm ignoring them, but if I acted
differently it would mean sending out 30-60 messages every day saying "I
have nothing useful to contribute to this thread." :)>

Phil

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Message no. 24
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Alfredo B Alves)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 15:35:04 2001
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:28:43 +0430 max.trebilcock@******.net writes:
> Hello List,
> I felt the need to post one last message before leaving the List.
>
> The reason really is the lack of response to posts, that myself and
> a number of other new subscribers have got.

I for one, don't have as much time as I used to so I only reply to a few
posts that catch my attention.

> My interest in the List has always been to further my interest in
> Shadowrun and aid others in doing so, unfortunately I have found
> the List to be a collection of friends that reply to each other.

Well, yeah. I couldn't have said it better myself. Sorry to hear you're
leaving our collection of friends ...

> That is with the exception of Gurth who genuniely makes an effort
> to reply to most posts.

Of course he can spout answers willy nilly; he's got this stuff
memorized. The rest of us have to actually look this stuff up ...

> My intention in sending this post is not to start some long thread
> or
> flaming session, but that the List can remember the whole point of
> its existance, TO PLAY SHADOWRUN AND MORE
> IMPORTANTLY TO HAVE FUN!!!

*wonders if Max stayed around long enough to see if the message got any
replies.*

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Message no. 25
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Alfredo B Alves)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 16:25:00 2001
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:14:34 -0800 (PST) Rand
Ratinac?<docwagon101@*****.com> writes:
<SNIP>
> If you want to
> become a ShadowRNer, you either have to impress the
> hell out of us on the first post, or be patient
> <snipt!(TM)>
> > -Graht

> Or be me. That's the third possibility.
>
> It always helps to be me.
>
> ;)

Yeah, if you want to get replies to your posts, be Doc' ... everybody
just can't wait to rail on him so he gets plenty of replies ... and
occasionally we answer his questions ... ;)

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Message no. 26
From: shadowrn@*********.com (John Pederson)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 16:40:04 2001
"Alfredo B Alves" <dghost@****.com> wrote:
> Yeah, if you want to get replies to your posts, be Doc' ...
> everybody just can't wait to rail on him so he gets plenty of
> replies ... and occasionally we answer his questions ... ;)

Does he ask questions? All I remember seeing out of him seems to be
off-topic rambling and just general rabble-rousing. :)

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Message no. 27
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Keith Duthie)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 19:10:01 2001
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Rand Ratinac wrote:

> Or be me. That's the third possibility.

I think that was actually included in the second possibility. You're
patient, aren't you? (Mental patient, that is :-P)

> It always helps to be me.

Helps what, though? The psychiatric industry? <smirk>

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Message no. 28
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 21:15:01 2001
> <SNIP>
> > If you want tobecome a ShadowRNer, you either have
to impress the hell out of us on the first post, or be
patient
> > <snipt!(TM)>
> > > -Graht
>
> > Or be me. That's the third possibility.
> >
> > It always helps to be me.
> >
> > ;)
>
> Yeah, if you want to get replies to your posts, be
Doc' ... everybody just can't wait to rail on him so
he gets plenty of replies ... and occasionally we
answer his questions ... ;)
> D. Ghost

I live to be bagged on...;)

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

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Can you SMELL what THE DOC' is COOKIN'!!!

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Message no. 29
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 21:20:01 2001
> > Yeah, if you want to get replies to your posts, be
Doc' ... everybody just can't wait to rail on him so
he gets plenty of replies ... and occasionally we
answer his questions ... ;)
>
> Does he ask questions? All I remember seeing out of
him seems to be off-topic rambling and just general
rabble-rousing. :)
> John Pederson

Hey, man, I ask questions.

Damn, do I ask questions!

I ask questions like the most question-asking reporter
in question time asking questions of the president,
who never answers questions.

Why is that, dammit? Why does the president have all
these freakin' mouthpieces whose sole purpose in life
seems to be to...

Dammit.

Hey, c'mon, you rabble! Let's get 'im!!!

*Doc' chases after John, bellowing at the top of his lungs...*

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Message no. 30
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 22:40:00 2001
> > Or be me. That's the third possibility.
>
> I think that was actually included in the second
possibility. You're patient, aren't you? (Mental
patient, that is :-P)
>
> > It always helps to be me.
>
> Helps what, though? The psychiatric industry?
<smirk>

I tell you guys, I LIVE for this stuff.

C'mere, y'all. Let me give y'all a BIIIIIIG hug...

====Doc'
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Message no. 31
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shane Hyde)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 22:50:01 2001
> > <SNIP>
> > > If you want tobecome a ShadowRNer, you either have
> to impress the hell out of us on the first post, or be
> patient
> > > <snipt!(TM)>

<unlurk>

Isn't the idea of Shadowrun one of subterfuge, stealth and striking at
clever moments?

Surely ShadowRN is no different.

<lurk>

[a whisper out of the shadows] We ALL know who the best ShadowRNers are....

Shane
Message no. 32
From: shadowrn@*********.com (John Pederson)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Tue Mar 13 23:40:01 2001
"Rand Ratinac" <docwagon101@*****.com> wrote:
> Hey, man, I ask questions.

Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

> Damn, do I ask questions!

Is that good or bad?

> Why is that, dammit? Why does the president have all
> these freakin' mouthpieces whose sole purpose in life
> seems to be to...

Because if he answered questions, how would he hide what he was really
up to?

> Dammit.
>
> Hey, c'mon, you rabble! Let's get 'im!!!

Uh-oh.

> *Doc' chases after John, bellowing at the top of his lungs...*

I figure it'll take a bit for the rabble to get here from Australia...
Any chance I can hide under your stairs, Gurth?

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Message no. 33
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Thu Mar 15 05:20:00 2001
According to Alfredo B Alves, on Mon, 12 Mar 2001 the word on the street
was...

> > That is with the exception of Gurth who genuniely makes an effort
> > to reply to most posts.
>
> Of course he can spout answers willy nilly; he's got this stuff
> memorized. The rest of us have to actually look this stuff up ...

I'll let you in on a semi-secret: I have to look a lot of it up, too. Five
years ago, I had no problems quoting virtually any SR rule from memory;
that was the result of having almost nothing else but SR books to read when
it came to gaming materials. These days, I've got far too many books to
know them as well as I did back then :/ What I do have, though, is a knack
for remembering in which book I read something, and roughly where. This is
a tremendous help in locating rules for quoting on the list :)

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