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Message no. 1
From: Fanguad fanguad@****.rit.edu
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:55:24 -0500
Hoi, all.
I've decided to put together a program that will track all the yearly,
monthly, and adventurely upkeeps of a team of Shadowrunners. I
know that there are many of these costs, associated with vehicles,
contacts, etc. but I've always been too lazy to properly track them
myself.

The finished product will be submitted to AdamJ for use with his
SR Assistant (or whatever) program.

I haven't gotten down and dirty to looking up formulas yet, but I
wanted to get some feedback from the list. Which things
should/shouldn't be tracked? I came up with a partial list:
Vehicles
SOTA
Lifestyle
Contacts
Enemies

And then some possibles:
Gear
Reputation
Cyberware*
Cyberdecks*

*I don't actually have VR2 or M&M yet, so I don't know if they
outline 'upkeeps' for these things.

On a higher programming level, I'm going to using Java, and you're
welcome to give programming suggestions as well.

-Fanguad
-------------------------
Modern programming is a race between programmers
striving to create bigger and better idiot-proof
programs, and the Universe trying to create bigger
and better idiots.

So far, the Universe is winning.
Message no. 2
From: Fanguad fanguad@****.rit.edu
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:44:20 -0500
I sent this message out yesterday, but nobody I didn't get any
Re:'s back. Did the list eat it, or am I just a loser?

(notice that I used the word 'or', not 'and/or') :)

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Hoi, all.
I've decided to put together a program that will track all the yearly,
monthly, and adventurely upkeeps of a team of Shadowrunners. I
know that there are many of these costs, associated with vehicles,
contacts, etc. but I've always been too lazy to properly track them
myself.

The finished product will be submitted to AdamJ for use with his
SR Assistant (or whatever) program.

I haven't gotten down and dirty to looking up formulas yet, but I
wanted to get some feedback from the list. Which things
should/shouldn't be tracked? I came up with a partial list:
Vehicles
SOTA
Lifestyle
Contacts
Enemies

And then some possibles:
Gear
Reputation
Cyberware*
Cyberdecks*

*I don't actually have VR2 or M&M yet, so I don't know if they
outline 'upkeeps' for these things.

On a higher programming level, I'm going to using Java, and you're
welcome to give programming suggestions as well.


-Fanguad
-------------------------
Modern programming is a race between programmers
striving to create bigger and better idiot-proof
programs, and the Universe trying to create bigger
and better idiots.

So far, the Universe is winning.
Message no. 3
From: 00DNA mcmanus@******.albany.edu
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:02:44 -0500
At 06:44 PM 12/2/99 -0500, Fanguad wrote:
>I sent this message out yesterday, but nobody I didn't get any
>Re:'s back. Did the list eat it, or am I just a loser?

I think we're all probably just waiting to see what happens with Adam's
Shadowrun Campaign Studio first.



--00DNA

"...connection terminated..."
Message no. 4
From: Scott W iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:29:05 -0400
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Fanguad."
] Hoi, all.
] I've decided to put together a program that will track all the yearly,
] monthly, and adventurely upkeeps of a team of Shadowrunners. I
] know that there are many of these costs, associated with vehicles,
] contacts, etc. but I've always been too lazy to properly track them
] myself.
]
] The finished product will be submitted to AdamJ for use with his
] SR Assistant (or whatever) program.
]
] I haven't gotten down and dirty to looking up formulas yet, but I
] wanted to get some feedback from the list. Which things
] should/shouldn't be tracked? I came up with a partial list:
] Vehicles
] SOTA
] Lifestyle
] Contacts
] Enemies

How 'bout Training?

] And then some possibles:
] Gear
] Reputation
] Cyberware*
] Cyberdecks*

I'm unclear on the point of these last things...tracking them how?

Sounds like a cool program though. What do you use to write such a
thing?

-Boondocker
Message no. 5
From: Fanguad fanguad@****.rit.edu
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 07:46:54 -0500
> ] And then some possibles:
> ] Gear
> ] Reputation
> ] Cyberware*
> ] Cyberdecks*
>
> I'm unclear on the point of these last things...tracking them how?

I'm not certain if cyberdecks and cyberware have any
associated upkeep costs with them that I'm not aware of. I don't
have a few of the books, so I can't check just yet.
As for gear and reputation, I don't know if there are even any
rules regarding regular maintainance of them.

> Sounds like a cool program though. What do you use to write such a
> thing?

I'll be using Java, but it'll be geared towards easy integration
into any object-oriented language.

> -Boondocker


-Fanguad
-------------------------
Modern programming is a race between programmers
striving to create bigger and better idiot-proof
programs, and the Universe trying to create bigger
and better idiots.

So far, the Universe is winning.
Message no. 6
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:32:12 EST
In a message dated 12/3/99 7:44:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fanguad@****.rit.edu writes:

> I'm not certain if cyberdecks and cyberware have any
> associated upkeep costs with them that I'm not aware of. I don't
> have a few of the books, so I can't check just yet.
> As for gear and reputation, I don't know if there are even any
> rules regarding regular maintainance of them.


SOTA covers that. You'll probably want to include a SOTA check in the
program, that determines what has advanced at the end of each month (or
bimonthly, annually, whatever; I've found monthly is a good way to go).

Sounds like a great program. Good luck with it.






-Twist
"We've never backed away from evil incarnate before, Peter, why this?"
"Evil incarnate can't sue, Frank."
Message no. 7
From: Fanguad fanguad@****.rit.edu
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:50:46 -0500
On 3 Dec 99, Twist0059@***.com bothered me about:

> SOTA covers that. You'll probably want to include a SOTA check in the
> program, that determines what has advanced at the end of each month (or
> bimonthly, annually, whatever; I've found monthly is a good way to go).

That's what I thought. BTW which book is SOTA in? Is it SRC?
Question: Are there any pieces of normal gear that require any sort
of maintainance that isn't covered by SOTA?

> I'm taking an introductory Java course now, and it hasn't seemed
>useful for this sort of thing (of course, we are just beginning). Can
>Java be used to write Windows applications? How big a program
>is that?
> The most we've done is two support classes :)

Actually, OOP is perfectly suited for this type of thing.
Yes, Java can be used to write Winapps, but it requires more work
than it's worth (unless you use some prexisting window classes).
How big? Not sure yet, but I'm expecting to have 15-20 classes
when I'm through, about 5 of which won't be transported to AdamJ's
program.

-Fanguad
-------------------------
Modern programming is a race between programmers
striving to create bigger and better idiot-proof
programs, and the Universe trying to create bigger
and better idiots.

So far, the Universe is winning.
Message no. 8
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:58:30 EST
In a message dated 12/3/99 9:48:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fanguad@****.rit.edu writes:

> > SOTA covers that. You'll probably want to include a SOTA check in the
> > program, that determines what has advanced at the end of each month (or
> > bimonthly, annually, whatever; I've found monthly is a good way to go).

>
> That's what I thought. BTW which book is SOTA in? Is it SRC?
> Question: Are there any pieces of normal gear that require any sort
> of maintainance that isn't covered by SOTA?


SOTA for matrix gear first appeared in VR2. It was then made a general
system for all of SR in SR Comp (BBB2 ed). It is also included in the
Revised SR Comp. Both book point you towards VR2 when you roll Matrix for
SOTA that month, AFAIK.

Vehicle and Ware Stress (from R2 and M&M, respectively), aren't covered by
SOTA. Although they have their own SOTA categories, but those don't
compensate for, or repair, stress. And then there is the OPTEMPO for
vehicles from R2.






-Twist
"We've never backed away from evil incarnate before, Peter, why this?"
"Evil incarnate can't sue, Frank."
Message no. 9
From: Fanguad fanguad@****.rit.edu
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:17:14 -0500
On 3 Dec 99, Twist0059@***.com bothered me about:

> SOTA for matrix gear first appeared in VR2. It was then made a general
> system for all of SR in SR Comp (BBB2 ed). It is also included in the
> Revised SR Comp. Both book point you towards VR2 when you roll Matrix for
> SOTA that month, AFAIK.

Is the system for SOTA different in the SR3C? If so, could you
point out relevant changes?

-Fanguad
-------------------------
Modern programming is a race between programmers
striving to create bigger and better idiot-proof
programs, and the Universe trying to create bigger
and better idiots.

So far, the Universe is winning.
Message no. 10
From: Roger Nicholls roger.nicholls@*******.net
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:43:12 -0000
> I've decided to put together a program that will track all the yearly,
> monthly, and adventurely upkeeps of a team of Shadowrunners. I
> know that there are many of these costs, associated with vehicles,
> contacts, etc. but I've always been too lazy to properly track them
> myself.


Id certainly find the finished product useful.

Regards,

Roger.
Message no. 11
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Upkeep Tracker
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:55:59 EST
In a message dated 12/3/99 10:15:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fanguad@****.rit.edu writes:

> > SOTA for matrix gear first appeared in VR2. It was then made a general
> > system for all of SR in SR Comp (BBB2 ed). It is also included in the
> > Revised SR Comp. Both book point you towards VR2 when you roll Matrix
for
>
> > SOTA that month, AFAIK.
>
> Is the system for SOTA different in the SR3C?

Doesn't look to be. Although I still don't understand how the rules for
wires getting behind SOTA work. I mean, you lose points if you don't upkeep
SOTA, because the newer wires on the street are faster than your aging tech.
That's fine, I can buy that. But this even counts against unwired
characters, which means every time you fall behind on the SOTA for your
Reaction Enhancing Cyberware, people around you start speeding up, even those
without chrome. Always seemed wonky.



"We've never backed away from evil incarnate before, Peter, why this?"
"Evil incarnate can't sue, Frank."

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