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Message no. 1
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Usage of the Movement power
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:43:42 +0000
These post about the Stonewall assisted by spirits made me think
about the movement power and how you can use it to make live hell for
anyone affected by it. Consider the following situations:

-Mr Runner is flying using his Night Glider. Mr Mage decides to use a
force 5 Air elemental to give mr Runner suddenly a speed of 300 (360
km/h) which doesn't agree to well with the poor wings of the Night
Glider who consequently decide to go their own way, leaving mr Runner
with the prospect of a short and lethal fall.
If mr Mage wants to be a bit more subtle, he can make the spirit use
it's power to slow the Glider thereby stalling it and leaving mr
Runner with the prospect of recovering before touchdown.

-Mr Runner isn't stupid and carries a parachute. While gliding down,
Mr Mage decides to give mr Runner another taste of Air and uses the
same power again, thereby nulling the effect of the parachute almost
completely. Mr Runner is out of options and will very likely go spat
on contact with the ground.

-Mr. Runner has some friends who decide to take out mr Mage. They are
busy chasing him through the streets of Seattle. Mr. Mage orders one
of his earth elementals to be ready to use it's power. Just before
the buddies have to make a sharp turn, mr Mage gives the signal and
suddenly the car of the avengers accelerates from a relatively sedate
90 km/h to 450 km/h. The end result is probably a nasty trail of
small debris and some very flattened avengers who just hit a wall or
something else at a very high speed. Having been at the receiving
end of a 37D hit the avengers very likely joined their friend mr
Runner in the Elysium fields.

-Few more nasty ideas: Stalling a plane just after take off, or
accelerating it just before landing. Pushing the speed of helicopters
over mach 1 (very easy with a force 5) would rip of the rotor
blades. etc. etc.

So can a spirit's movement power affect vehicles? It doesn't really
say so in the ParaAnimals books, except that it can affect up to
essence*3 people at once. And if they can, which sounds logical to
me, since their accident power does seem to work on vehicles, how do
you deal with the resistance test?


Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 2
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Usage of the Movement power
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:36:39 -0400
<snip>

> So can a spirit's movement power affect vehicles? It doesn't really
> say so in the ParaAnimals books, except that it can affect up to
> essence*3 people at once. And if they can, which sounds logical to
> me, since their accident power does seem to work on vehicles, how do
> you deal with the resistance test?
>
Even if it doesn't, just accelerate the people in the
car to 400kph. If the car isn't going that speed this will leave a nasty
stain on the interior.
Message no. 3
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Usage of the Movement power
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:06:16 EDT
In a message dated 7/23/98 3:26:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bryan.covington@****.COM writes:

> Even if it doesn't, just accelerate the people in the
> car to 400kph. If the car isn't going that speed this will leave a nasty
> stain on the interior.

That just dosen't seem right to me, since I remember mana barrier does not
squish people in vehicles that pass through them.

Its also just like trying to use a barrier spell to create a ramp, the spell
just wasn't desgined to work that way.

I would think that the spirit could affect the movement of a vehicle and the
people as a whole.

-Bandit
Message no. 4
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Usage of the Movement power
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:13:33 -0400
> > Even if it doesn't, just accelerate the people in
> the
> > car to 400kph. If the car isn't going that speed this will leave a
> nasty
> > stain on the interior.
>
> That just dosen't seem right to me, since I remember mana barrier does
> not
> squish people in vehicles that pass through them.
>
> Its also just like trying to use a barrier spell to create a ramp, the
> spell
> just wasn't desgined to work that way.
>
> I would think that the spirit could affect the movement of a vehicle
> and the
> people as a whole.
>
Oh I whole heartedly agree. It's not right.

So would you prefer to have you vehicle accelerated into
a wall, or your body accelerated into the dashboard?
Message no. 5
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Usage of the Movement power
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:50:15 +0000
and thus did bryan.covington@****.COM speak on 24 Jul 98 at 16:13:

> > I would think that the spirit could affect the movement of a vehicle
> > and the people as a whole.

> Oh I whole heartedly agree. It's not right.
>
> So would you prefer to have you vehicle accelerated into
> a wall, or your body accelerated into the dashboard?

Well since the end result is going to be fairly identical, I don't
really care that much ;)
I think that spirits with that power will affect the vehicle, if it
was only because they can't see the people inside most vehicles. The
question now is, what's the resistance test going to be:
Spirit's essence vs. willpower (average / highest? )
or Essence vs. 8 (highly processed object)

Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 6
From: wafflemiesters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Usage of the Movement power
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:04:47 -0500
>
> Re: Usage of the Movement power (Martin Steffens , Sat 4:50)
>
> and thus did bryan.covington@****.COM speak on 24 Jul 98 at 16:13:
>
> > > I would think that the spirit could affect the movement of a vehicle
> > > and the people as a whole.
>
> > Oh I whole heartedly agree. It's not right.
> >
> > So would you prefer to have you vehicle accelerated into
> > a wall, or your body accelerated into the dashboard?
>
> Well since the end result is going to be fairly identical, I don't
> really care that much ;)
> I think that spirits with that power will affect the vehicle, if it
> was only because they can't see the people inside most vehicles. The
> question now is, what's the resistance test going to be:
> Spirit's essence vs. willpower (average / highest? )
> or Essence vs. 8 (highly processed object)
>
> Karina & Martin Steffens
> chimerae@***.ie

This is oneofthose posts of minethat got nuked- There were a bunchof
nasty uses of "movement" that depended on fairly sudden change in the
targets speed. I believe it is noted inthe movemnt power description
that "acceleration" (or deceleration) is needed- the power takes effect
one level at a time as long as the bieng keeps it up, up to its max
effect. So the firstaction the bieng hascan cut / multiplyspeed by2.
The next action the bieng has can add / subtract 66% to that (basespeed
x or / 3). Sustained use doesn't take an action, but the effect is
often slow enough that the vicitim can do something about it. Not
always, but often.
BTW, it seems likely that the "accident" power depnds on JUST such use
of movement, to cause the target to walk into (or off) something, or a
door to slam to fast, right on your hand, etc. Seing as its effect is
so similar, perhaps movement power should be restricted to ONLY
affecting "normal" movement. That is plenty nasty, say when used on a
fleeing runner to slow him down...

Mongoose
Message no. 7
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Usage of the Movement power
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:18:09 +0000
and thus did wafflemiesters speak on 26 Jul 98 at 11:04:

[snip]
> targets speed. I believe it is noted inthe movemnt power description
> that "acceleration" (or deceleration) is needed- the power takes effect
> one level at a time as long as the bieng keeps it up, up to its max
> effect. So the firstaction the bieng hascan cut / multiplyspeed by2.
> The next action the bieng has can add / subtract 66% to that (basespeed
> x or / 3). Sustained use doesn't take an action, but the effect is
> often slow enough that the vicitim can do something about it. Not
> always, but often.

where did you read this? I checked the books that I have and the most
extensive description I could find was in PAoE, and that didn't help
me much. Is it in Rigger2?

Martin
(who really starts hating Virgin for taking so long to get him R2)

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