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Message no. 1
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Vamp 2.0
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:26:34 -0400
Ok on a differen subject slightly. I want to see if there's a offical ruling
on vampires. Are they living beings who are afflicted with a horrible
disease or are they truely undead in the classic sense of the word, being
dead people who have returned while still being dead?

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Maybe it's those Rocket Skates I ordered from the ACME company!
The last pair backfired and almost blew my legs halfway to my Duodenum.
But I'll get that pesky Road Runner yet.
With My Life's Blood I swear it!

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Message no. 2
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:11:12 +0000
> Ok on a differen subject slightly. I want to see if there's a offical ruling
> on vampires. Are they living beings who are afflicted with a horrible
> disease or are they truely undead in the classic sense of the word, being
> dead people who have returned while still being dead?

I'm no Nosferatu expert or anything but from what I gather the SR
vampires are afflicted by a horrible disease that makes them crave
for the fluids of (meta)humans. So they are not members of the
Fantasy "Undead" association.

If I got this all wrong please do correct me so I can grab my
crucifix :)

/Stefan

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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:20:48 +0100
NightLife said on 13:26/ 3 Aug 97...

> Ok on a differen subject slightly. I want to see if there's a offical ruling
> on vampires. Are they living beings who are afflicted with a horrible
> disease or are they truely undead in the classic sense of the word, being
> dead people who have returned while still being dead?

The answer to that is already in the text, and in your question even... A
virus won't do anything on a dead person; it needs a living cell to
reproduce in (by getting the cell to make new virusses instead of doing
whatever it's supposed to do), which is a bit difficult in a dead body.
Furthermore, a virus couldn't animate a dead body, leading me to believe
vampires are just as alive as other people.

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Message no. 4
From: Sir Philos Nex <philos@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:18:15 -0400
NightLife wrote:
>
> Ok on a differen subject slightly. I want to see if there's a offical ruling
> on vampires. Are they living beings who are afflicted with a horrible
> disease or are they truely undead in the classic sense of the word, being
> dead people who have returned while still being dead?

According to what I remember what the books say in the critter section,
it's called HMHVV (Human-MetaHuman Vampiric Virus). Actually to quote
"Vampires are not a true species, but rather they are individualsof a
human subspecies who have been infected with an agent that causes the
vampiric condition" This would put them into the same kind of boat as
elves and orcs.
--
Andrew Dominas
AKA Sir Philos Nex
3rd Year Honours Business Administration U of Windsor
Jedi Knight

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Message no. 5
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:47:52 -0500
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:18:15 -0400 Sir Philos Nex <philos@****.Net>
writes:
>NightLife wrote:

> According to what I remember what the books say in the critter
>section,
>it's called HMHVV (Human-MetaHuman Vampiric Virus). Actually to quote
>"Vampires are not a true species, but rather they are individualsof a
>human subspecies who have been infected with an agent that causes the
>vampiric condition" This would put them into the same kind of boat as
>elves and orcs.

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Now, what does this infection cause, symptoms wise? Death by light?
Sucking blood? Doesn't bleed? That would be some virus.


I was here
Here I was
Was I here
Sure I was
Gweedo
Message no. 6
From: Sir Philos Nex <philos@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:57:08 -0400
Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote:
> > According to what I remember what the books say in the critter
> >section,
> >it's called HMHVV (Human-MetaHuman Vampiric Virus). Actually to quote
> >"Vampires are not a true species, but rather they are individualsof a
> >human subspecies who have been infected with an agent that causes the
> >vampiric condition" This would put them into the same kind of boat as
> >elves and orcs.
>
> ----
> Now, what does this infection cause, symptoms wise? Death by light?
> Sucking blood? Doesn't bleed? That would be some virus.

But it's not a normal virus. It's an awakened magical virus.
--
Andrew Dominas
AKA Sir Philos Nex
3rd Year Honours Business Administration U of Windsor
Jedi Knight

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Message no. 7
From: Swordman <swordman@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:14:27 -0500
Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote:
>
> On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:18:15 -0400 Sir Philos Nex <philos@****.Net>
> writes:
> >NightLife wrote:
>
> > According to what I remember what the books say in the critter
> >section,
> >it's called HMHVV (Human-MetaHuman Vampiric Virus). Actually to quote
> >"Vampires are not a true species, but rather they are individualsof a
> >human subspecies who have been infected with an agent that causes the

> Now, what does this infection cause, symptoms wise? Death by light?
> Sucking blood? Doesn't bleed? That would be some virus.
Sorry I have to agree with Gurth that Vampires are just as alive as a
normal person.
If you look at the description you see Vampires have a severe alergy to
Sunlight, that is it casues a wound or burn, much like a condition in
our world today where two people I know (not personaly) of were born
with abouslutly no protection to sun light.
And Essence drain is not the drinking of blood but the slow decay of the
critters own life force (at a rate of one point per month!), therefore
it needs life (essence) from other creatures. The essence drain needs a
tangeable medium, in some cases it's blood, in others it's skin and so
on.
It's a Virus that infects a living creature, the DEATH is probably more
like a suspended animation of 24 hours for full incubation of the HMHVV.
Even the book uses the word kill with regards to vampiric infection with
quotes.
Shadowurn for all it's morbid mysticism still scientifically expalins
everything.
But now the $64,000 question.... if it's a virus could you find a
cure... would make for a neat run! :>
Message no. 8
From: Mike and Jill Johnson <shadow@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:34:42 -0600
At 01:19 PM 8/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Shadowurn for all it's morbid mysticism still scientifically expalins
>everything.
>But now the $64,000 question.... if it's a virus could you find a
>cure... would make for a neat run! :>
>
Good idea but are the runners hired by the vampires to stop this evil
vaccine or the corp to protect/aquire subjects?

Dr Feelgood
Message no. 9
From: Swordman <swordman@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:34:30 -0500
Mike and Jill Johnson wrote:
> >But now the $64,000 question.... if it's a virus could you find a
> >cure... would make for a neat run! :>
> >
> Good idea but are the runners hired by the vampires to stop this evil
> vaccine or the corp to protect/aquire subjects?
>

How about a series of runs, first runners hired to kidnapp vampires
Mr. J: "We want them UNHARMED!"
Then some runs later vampires hire runners to get the vaccine... the GM
rules wheather it's sybolizes a cure to a curse or a death of a speices.
Message no. 10
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:53:05 +1000
> > Good idea but are the runners hired by the vampires to stop this evil
> > vaccine or the corp to protect/aquire subjects?
> >
>
> How about a series of runs, first runners hired to kidnapp vampires
> Mr. J: "We want them UNHARMED!"


That's interesting.... I'm wondering how you actually go about
capturing a vampire 'unharmed'.

They've got Mist Form, which means it's got to be something airtight, and
they've got Enhanced Strength which means it's got to be rather strong

That kind of implies some kind of mobile pressure cooker, but the real
problem is coaxing them into the box in the first place.

"Please come quietly, Mr. Vampire; There's a willing virgin inside for you"
*grin*

BTW; Anyone ever worked out the Knockback off a vampires punch? One of my
characters pissed a vampire off (by shooting it in the kneecap) and ended
up twenty meters over the railing of the boat we were on. The only thing
that saved the character was the trauma damper... I seem to recall D
stun, with S physical overflow.

Marty
Message no. 11
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Vamp 2.0
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:00:17 -0600
MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
|
| BTW; Anyone ever worked out the Knockback off a vampires punch? One of my
| characters pissed a vampire off (by shooting it in the kneecap) and ended
| up twenty meters over the railing of the boat we were on. The only thing
| that saved the character was the trauma damper... I seem to recall D
| stun, with S physical overflow.

Huh? If I had access to your house rule I suppose I could figure it
out. Per the rules failure when resisting knockback results in the
target being knocked prone. One success results in the target being
pushed back *one* meter.

Granted, this doesn't make sense if something like a dragon tags
you. So, please send a copy of your house rule to me.

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
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"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."

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