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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Mister Incognito)
Subject: Vancouver to Seattle
Date: Tue Aug 28 12:35:00 2001
How far is it from Vancouver to Seattle? Also, how long would it a) take to
drive by car between the two, and b) how long would it take by train to get
between the two cities?

I was thinking of having a new PC I'm creating live in Vancouver and commute
into Seattle to work when he has a job. He'd have most of his contacts in
Seattle as well as a few alternative places to live there but his main home
would be in Vancouver.

So would it be feasible for a Shadowrunner to commute between the two? Any
more than a 45 min to nd hour commute and it wouldn't work. Just figured
I'd see if it was feasible first.

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Vancouver to Seattle
Date: Tue Aug 28 13:55:06 2001
According to Mister Incognito, on Tue, 28 Aug 2001 the word on the street was...

> How far is it from Vancouver to Seattle? Also, how long would it a) take to
> drive by car between the two, and b) how long would it take by train to get
> between the two cities?

This is where it would be handy if I could remember how long it took me to
get from Victoria (across the water from Vancouver) to Seattle by fast
hydrofoil a few years ago... Two hours or so, I seem to remember, but don't
quote me on that. You could measure the distance in a straight line on a
map, add, say, 50% to it to account for curves in the road, and then assume
an average speed of 100 km/h to figure out how long it would take.

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Augustus)
Subject: Vancouver to Seattle
Date: Tue Aug 28 14:15:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: Mister Incognito <misterincognito@*******.com>


> How far is it from Vancouver to Seattle? Also, how long would it a) take
to
> drive by car between the two, and b) how long would it take by train to
get
> between the two cities?

Vancouver to Seattle is 225 km

By train, its about a 3œ hr trip.
By car, its about a 4-4œ hr trip.

Augustus
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Achille Autran)
Subject: Vancouver to Seattle
Date: Wed Aug 29 13:35:01 2001
>From: "Augustus" <shadowrun@********.net>
>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:17:41 -0700
>
>Vancouver to Seattle is 225 km
>
>By train, its about a 3œ hr trip.
>By car, its about a 4-4œ hr trip.

Damn, I thought in Canada & US speed was limited to 55 mph, not to 31 !
Given SR era transportation, that should translate as:
By bullet train, is the CalFree line extents also to the north: half an hour.
By high-speed train (TGV or suchlikes): 45 mn (that's the rates in France
right now).
By bike or car, ignoring speed limitations: 2 / 2 and a half hours.
By car, law abiding: 3 hours.
By the road, you face traffic jams all the way to Downtown Seattle.
By train, you land in Downtown, so you have to add the time to get in the
peripheral districts, if needed.

Molloy
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Vancouver to Seattle
Date: Wed Aug 29 13:45:01 2001
>>From: "Augustus" <shadowrun@********.net>
>>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:17:41 -0700
>
>>Vancouver to Seattle is 225 km
>
>>By train, its about a 3œ hr trip.
>>By car, its about a 4-4œ hr trip.

>Damn, I thought in Canada & US speed was limited to 55 mph, not to 31 !
>Given SR era transportation, that should translate as:
>By bullet train, is the CalFree line extents also to the north: half an
hour.
>By high-speed train (TGV or suchlikes): 45 mn (that's the rates in France
>right now).
>By bike or car, ignoring speed limitations: 2 / 2 and a half hours.
>By car, law abiding: 3 hours.
>By the road, you face traffic jams all the way to Downtown Seattle.
>By train, you land in Downtown, so you have to add the time to get in the
>peripheral districts, if needed.
>Molloy

55?? who's driving 55? they got rid of that a few years ago....most places
are 60-75 now...Iowa is an ice age state that still runs 55 everywhere
unless it's an interstate where you get to grab 60....wasn't aware that
other states had kept the snail pace. (and trust me you drive something at
55 and then run it at 75 and see what I'm talking about) I'd figure that
you're gonna run an average of 5 to 10mph over the speed limit anyway and go
ahead and do the math at about 5 over and then you'll have a better idea of
it anyway. Being a person that drives what would normally be a 40-45 minute
drive every morning and night but have it down to 30 depending on my mood I
can assure you that the difference between going the speedlimit with the
rest of the slow people and driving the just under a ticket speeds...(most
cops don't screw with ya until you hit 11 over cause anything less is a slap
on the hand ticket)

Derek
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (david lowe-rogstad)
Subject: Vancouver to Seattle
Date: Wed Aug 29 13:55:01 2001
At 7:31 PM +0200 8/29/01, Achille Autran wrote:
>Damn, I thought in Canada & US speed was limited to 55 mph, not to
>31 ! Given SR era transportation, that should translate as:
>By bike or car, ignoring speed limitations: 2 / 2 and a half hours.
>By car, law abiding: 3 hours.
>By the road, you face traffic jams all the way to Downtown Seattle.

yeah. i can't speak for seattle, but here in the bay area, time and
distance is relative. i used to commute 35 miles one way, all freeway
driving (65 mph speed limit). it usually took me an hour and a half
to get to work, and close to two hours to get home. that averages out
to around to 20 miles an hour. for me to get across the bay bridge,
it's exactly eight miles from my door to downtown san francisco. it
can take me anywhere from 15 min to an hour, depending on traffic.

of course that is during commute hours. during non-commute and
weekends, it was 45 min on the nose, but here, you can never guess
traffic. you can be clicking along at 70 mph, sit in two miles of
bumper to bumper traffic for no reason, and then be fine the rest of
the way. it's usually just enough to make you late. still, not as
weird as los angeles traffic.

still, if you are going to commute, i'd highly recommend a
motorcycle. get yourself a nice bmw with plenty of room for guns and
gadgets. you can ride in the car pool lanes when they have them, and
lane split when they don't. parking's a breeze and it's flexible
enough to get you anywhere in the city. the few times i was able to
commute on my bike, it was 40 minutes door to door, regardless of
traffic. of course it rains a lot more in vancouver and seattle than
it does hereŠ

d
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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Augustus)
Subject: Vancouver to Seattle
Date: Wed Aug 29 18:25:00 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: Achille Autran <aautran@****.fr>
> Damn, I thought in Canada & US speed was limited to 55 mph, not to 31 !

Assuming that someplace that is 200 miles off and the freeway between that
place has a speed limit of 50 miles per hour and therefore it will take you
exactly 4 hours is incorrect.

The biggest concern would be traffic. No idea how it would be in 2060, but
today the freeway from Vancouver to Seattle is always full of cars... and
not everybody using the fast lane is travelling at the speed limit... some
are above and others are below.

Then if you take into account the border... today its a 30-45 minute wait...
I'd expect longer in 2060 where the borders aren't so open as they are
today.

Then you have to take into account the time it takes you to get on and off
the freeway (unless your house and destination have their driveways connect
right to the freeway).

Then you have to take into acount any stopping along the way... for gas,
food, bathroom.

Then you have to take into account speed traps... even if the limit is 55mph
on the I5, if a couple of cars have radar detectors in them, once they go
off those cars drop to about 40mph "just to be on the safe side".

This ofcourse doesn't take into account anything like construction,
accidents, police roadchecks and other stuff... of which could add hours on
to the trip.

As for the times given... the train time was given based on the time VIA and
Amtrak list as the time it takes to get to Seattle. That is, ofcourse,
assuming the train leaves right on time (I've taken it a couple of times, I
think out of a dozen times, it left right on time once).

And the driving time was based on an express shuttle service that makes no
stops between downtown Vancouver and downtown Seattle, other than the border
(so it probably takes into account time at the border itself).

Hopefully that makes it clear,

Augustus
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Fenris F-e-n-r-i-s)
Subject: Vancouver to Seattle
Date: Wed Aug 29 19:20:00 2001
With a bike logically you would be able to weave through all that traffic.
Did anyone think of a boat-ride maybe? Just a thought, personal watercraft,
ZOOM.

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